New twist in Cybertruck bombing

[GrandSportC3]

https://www.newsweek.com/matthew-livelsberger-alleged-manifesto-read-full-email-sent-retired-soldier-2009573

Livelsberger claimed in e-mail that he was followed because of his knowledge of US war crimes in Afghanistan and Chinese Antigravity drones at US East Coast.
He was trying to escape to Mexico.

[lrobe22]

Trying to flee by shooting himself in the head and blowing up his car? Or at least that’s the bits I’ve heard.

[IB4TL]

Trying to flee by shooting himself in the head and blowing up his car? Or at least that’s the bits I’ve heard.

He's not around anymore so I guess he escaped successfully :island14:


In all fairrness, I think I'd rather shoot myself than drive a Cybertruck :angel:

[Unsuspicious]

"First off I am not under duress or hostile influence or control. My first car was a 2006 Black Ford Mustang V6 for verification."

Sounds like a sick man with delusions of grandeur

[GrandSportC3]

"First off I am not under duress or hostile influence or control. My first car was a 2006 Black Ford Mustang V6 for verification."

Sounds like a sick man with delusions of grandeur

PTSD, like many that served which doesn't necessarily mean that all that he said was fiction.

[Swany00]

one thing is certain, the fbi won't be honest about it

[lrobe22]

PTSD, like many that served which doesn't necessarily mean that all that he said was fiction.

I’m going with democrat indoctrination

[Big bob]

Trump tower bomber was the drone whistle blower claiming U.S. cover up.


legacy program

[LATB]

one thing is certain, the fbi won't be honest about it

Political correctness.

[GrandSportC3]

https://youtu.be/xglaXVtQcis?si=BXJIKm-ylXOceUw_

[GrandSportC3]

Law enforcement confirmed that the e-mail sent to the podcast was indeed from Livelsberger. If the information on the drones is indeed true, this would be very concerning..

[slewfoot]

https://www.newsweek.com/matthew-livelsberger-alleged-manifesto-read-full-email-sent-retired-soldier-2009573

Livelsberger claimed in e-mail that he was followed because of his knowledge of US war crimes in Afghanistan and Chinese Antigravity drones at US East Coast.
He was trying to escape to Mexico.


I doubt it.

If he had been followed, someone didn't do a very good job tailing him or they would have seen all the shit he was doing, strange road trip and he could have just gone to Mexico. Crossing in is no more difficult that walking out your front door.

Somewhere along the line, he became detached. Renting a cyber truck closed the deal.

[Frankie the Fink]

Because following a Cybertruck would be soooo difficult, just stick to the trail of vomiting spectators...

[Steve_R]

Law enforcement confirmed that the e-mail sent to the podcast was indeed from Livelsberger. If the information on the drones is indeed true, this would be very concerning..


What, exactly, is an "anti-gravity" drone? Dude went full psycho and offed himself, nothing to see here unless you're a full-on conspiracy theorist.

As others have observed he could have simply drove to Mexico instead of 'Vegas. It would have been a shorter trip than he took.

[GrandSportC3]

What, exactly, is an "anti-gravity" drone? Dude went full psycho and offed himself, nothing to see here unless you're a full-on conspiracy theorist.

As others have observed he could have simply drove to Mexico instead of 'Vegas. It would have been a shorter trip than he took.


The US as well as china have recovered alien craft and reverse engineered their anti gravity ability.

There are TONS of whislteblowers in the intelligence community that confirm just that. While I'm certain that the US as well as China has alien craft in their possession, I have been unsure if we or the chinese have been able to reverse engineer that technology. IF what Livelsberger said in the e-mail is true, we indeed have been able to reverse engineer those craft.
For obvious reasons, the government would never admit that as this technology in the wrong hands is not just a threat to this country but a threat to humanity. Imagine terrorists having the ability to have drones that fly insane speeds with unlimited payload capacity.. Not something that would be good.. It could mean the end of humanity.

If you have doubts that such technology exists, how do you explain that there are physical objects that accelerate like nothing earthly technology can do and this ability is on confirmed on multiple sensors like Infrared, visual and radar. Obviously, observing such technology isn't proof that it's alien but SOMEONE has that technology as it was observed.

[ptindall]

The US as well as china have recovered alien craft and reverse engineered their anti gravity ability.

There are TONS of whislteblowers in the intelligence community that confirm just that. While I'm certain that the US as well as China has alien craft in their possession, I have been unsure if we or the chinese have been able to reverse engineer that technology. IF what Livelsberger said in the e-mail is true, we indeed have been able to reverse engineer those craft.
For obvious reasons, the government would never admit that as this technology in the wrong hands is not just a threat to this country but a threat to humanity. Imagine terrorists having the ability to have drones that fly insane speeds with unlimited payload capacity.. Not something that would be good.. It could mean the end of humanity.

If you have doubts that such technology exists, how do you explain that there are physical objects that accelerate like nothing earthly technology can do and this ability is on confirmed on multiple sensors like Infrared, visual and radar. Obviously, observing such technology isn't proof that it's alien but SOMEONE has that technology as it was observed.

:rofl:

[Vandelay Industries]

My Cessna has anti-gravity ability. :fastguy:

[GrandSportC3]

:rofl:

What's funny about that. I pointed out FACTS. We even had congressional hearings where people testified under oath, risking prison sentences if they were lying. How about the actual factual observation of objects that defy the laws of physics as we know it. How do you explain those? All made up? All the video from the F14 jets fake?

[ptindall]

Imagine the ability to transport unlimited mass into space, but paying trillions of dollars for rocket powered space programs and trillions of dollars for jet powered military aircraft just to cover up having the most powerful technology of all time? And thank God our enemies, who also have the same technology, also choose not to use it, because they too, simply choose not to. Well, except for some drones that could just as easily be powered by some propellers connected to electric motors.

[Steve_R]

The US as well as china have recovered alien craft and reverse engineered their anti gravity ability.

There are TONS of whislteblowers in the intelligence community that confirm just that. While I'm certain that the US as well as China has alien craft in their possession, I have been unsure if we or the chinese have been able to reverse engineer that technology. IF what Livelsberger said in the e-mail is true, we indeed have been able to reverse engineer those craft.
For obvious reasons, the government would never admit that as this technology in the wrong hands is not just a threat to this country but a threat to humanity. Imagine terrorists having the ability to have drones that fly insane speeds with unlimited payload capacity.. Not something that would be good.. It could mean the end of humanity.

If you have doubts that such technology exists, how do you explain that there are physical objects that accelerate like nothing earthly technology can do and this ability is on confirmed on multiple sensors like Infrared, visual and radar. Obviously, observing such technology isn't proof that it's alien but SOMEONE has that technology as it was observed.


Not this shit again. :rolleyes:

[Frankie the Fink]

The US as well as china have recovered alien craft and reverse engineered their anti gravity ability.

There are TONS of whislteblowers in the intelligence community that confirm just that. While I'm certain that the US as well as China has alien craft in their possession, I have been unsure if we or the chinese have been able to reverse engineer that technology. IF what Livelsberger said in the e-mail is true, we indeed have been able to reverse engineer those craft.
For obvious reasons, the government would never admit that as this technology in the wrong hands is not just a threat to this country but a threat to humanity. Imagine terrorists having the ability to have drones that fly insane speeds with unlimited payload capacity.. Not something that would be good.. It could mean the end of humanity.

If you have doubts that such technology exists, how do you explain that there are physical objects that accelerate like nothing earthly technology can do and this ability is on confirmed on multiple sensors like Infrared, visual and radar. Obviously, observing such technology isn't proof that it's alien but SOMEONE has that technology as it was observed.

Observation and testimony is not repeatable, proof via the scientific methodL
https://youtu.be/f7WpNBDf6og?t=100

[GrandSportC3]

Observation and testimony is not repeatable, proof via the scientific methodL
https://youtu.be/f7WpNBDf6og?t=100

It's not repeatable because we officially don't have the technology to repeat it.
We have SCIENTIFIC SENSORS observing those objects. They are real as is the acceleration observed. Those are scientific facts. The only questions is WHOSE technology is it?

[Steve_R]

My Cessna has anti-gravity ability. :fastguy:


I've flown over 3 million miles in anti-gravity planes that can stay in the air for hours. I'm sure they're using alien technology. Same with hot air balloons that seem to float in the air.

[Frankie the Fink]

Yeah, I have sensors in my Tundra, every time the temps drop into the 30s, they tell me my tires are underinflated.

I worked in ELINT for years (Electronic Intelligence) with huge radar dishes tracking Russian missile shots, satellites and manned space launches. I have had TS/SCI/Crypto/FA/TK clearances as well.

Never once saw or heard of any of the things you discuss...

The only crazy thing was a story of something moving at Mach 3 speeds, turned out it was an SR-71 about which little was known at the time.

[GrandSportC3]

Yeah, I have sensors in my Tundra, every time the temps drop into the 30s, they tell me my tires are underinflated.

I worked in ELINT for years (Electronic Intelligence) with huge radar dishes tracking Russian missile shots, satellites and manned space launches. I have had TS/SCI/Crypto/FA/TK clearances as well.

Never once saw or heard of any of the things you discuss...

There is testimony of the pilots, video and Infrared imaging from our F-14 jets and radar records of those objects. Sure, you may be able to fake the radar but you can't fake all of the 3 sensors as well as pilot testimony that confirms what can be seen on the videos. This incident happened. This object behaved like nothing that any known technology can do.

[Sea Kelp]

Yeah, I have sensors in my Tundra, every time the temps drop into the 30s, they tell me my tires are underinflated.

I worked in ELINT for years (Electronic Intelligence) with huge radar dishes tracking Russian missile shots, satellites and manned space launches. I have had TS/SCI/Crypto/FA/TK clearances as well.

Never once saw or heard of any of the things you discuss...

The only crazy thing was a story of something moving at Mach 3 speeds, turned out it was an SR-71 about which little was known at the time.



How long were “they” able to keep the SR-71 from public knowledge after its’ first flight?

[lrobe22]

There is testimony of the pilots, video and Infrared imaging from our F-14 jets and radar records of those objects. Sure, you may be able to fake the radar but you can't fake all of the 3 sensors as well as pilot testimony that confirms what can be seen on the videos. This incident happened. This object behaved like nothing that any known technology can do.

F14?

[Frankie the Fink]

I worked on F-14s as an avionics tech....they are old birds now.....
Nothing more recent ? With corroboration from NORAD, you know the agency that measures space materials in inches and ounces ?

They even track Santa Clause, which must be real...those reindeer damn sure defy gravity, and, circling the earth in one night ? Somebody isn't telling the public everything.

[GrandSportC3]

I worked on F-14s as an avionics tech....they are old birds now.....
Nothing more recent ? With corroboration from NORAD, you know the agency that measures space materials in inches and ounces ?

They even track Santa Clause, which must be real...those reindeer damn sure defy gravity, and, circling the earth in one night ? Somebody isn't telling the public everything.
F-14's were not that old when this incident happened in 2004. This was 20 years ago. Infrared technology has not changed much since. Visual obviously is still the same. Only resolution has come up since.

[GrandSportC3]

F14?

F-14 Tomcat

[slewfoot]

I worked on F-14s as an avionics tech....they are old birds now.....
Nothing more recent ? With corroboration from NORAD, you know the agency that measures space materials in inches and ounces ?

They even track Santa Clause, which must be real...those reindeer damn sure defy gravity, and, circling the earth in one night ? Somebody isn't telling the public everything.


Most likely the Chinese. They have been mastering antigravity for hundreds of centuries.


KXIJv1NoXmo

[RedLS1GTO]

F-14's were not that old when this incident happened in 2004. This was 20 years ago. Infrared technology has not changed much since. Visual obviously is still the same. Only resolution has come up since.

Ignoring everything else for a moment, the F-14 was retired from service... in 2006. It was developed in the early 70s. The brother of a friend of mine was the pilot of the last Tomcat flight.

So yea, it was old in 2004.

But carry on. :waiting:

[GrandSportC3]

Ignoring everything else for a moment, the F-14 was retired from service... in 2006. It was developed in the early 70s. The brother of a friend of mine was the pilot of the last Tomcat flight.

So yea, it was old in 2004.

But carry on. :waiting:

It doesn't matter if it was old or not. What matters is that the Infrared imaging as well as the visual camera both caught the object and what they saw matched the radar as well. So, in order for this to be fake, you would have to
1) pilots lying
2) infrared and visual video faked
3) radar observation faked

So, all of those 3 things would have to be fake to discredit this incident.

[lrobe22]

F-14 Tomcat

You mean F18?

[Vince Clortho]

The US as well as china have recovered alien craft and reverse engineered their anti gravity ability.

There are TONS of whislteblowers in the intelligence community that confirm just that. While I'm certain that the US as well as China has alien craft in their possession, I have been unsure if we or the chinese have been able to reverse engineer that technology. IF what Livelsberger said in the e-mail is true, we indeed have been able to reverse engineer those craft.
For obvious reasons, the government would never admit that as this technology in the wrong hands is not just a threat to this country but a threat to humanity. Imagine terrorists having the ability to have drones that fly insane speeds with unlimited payload capacity.. Not something that would be good.. It could mean the end of humanity.

If you have doubts that such technology exists, how do you explain that there are physical objects that accelerate like nothing earthly technology can do and this ability is on confirmed on multiple sensors like Infrared, visual and radar. Obviously, observing such technology isn't proof that it's alien but SOMEONE has that technology as it was observed.119750
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Imagine the ability to transport unlimited mass into space, but paying trillions of dollars for rocket powered space programs and trillions of dollars for jet powered military aircraft just to cover up having the most powerful technology of all time? And thank God our enemies, who also have the same technology, also choose not to use it, because they too, simply choose not to. Well, except for some drones that could just as easily be powered by some propellers connected to electric motors.119749

[jw38]

https://youtu.be/xglaXVtQcis?si=BXJIKm-ylXOceUw_
Shoemate is now saying that he apologizes for releasing the email and that he was unaware of Shoemate's mental health issues.

The US as well as china have recovered alien craft and reverse engineered their anti gravity ability.

There are TONS of whislteblowers in the intelligence community that confirm just that. While I'm certain that the US as well as China has alien craft in their possession, I have been unsure if we or the chinese have been able to reverse engineer that technology. IF what Livelsberger said in the e-mail is true, we indeed have been able to reverse engineer those craft.
For obvious reasons, the government would never admit that as this technology in the wrong hands is not just a threat to this country but a threat to humanity. Imagine terrorists having the ability to have drones that fly insane speeds with unlimited payload capacity.. Not something that would be good.. It could mean the end of humanity.

If you have doubts that such technology exists, how do you explain that there are physical objects that accelerate like nothing earthly technology can do and this ability is on confirmed on multiple sensors like Infrared, visual and radar. Obviously, observing such technology isn't proof that it's alien but SOMEONE has that technology as it was observed.

Are you planning to rent a Cybertruck for a trip to Vegas? Asking for a friend.

[Onebadcad]

IMO, and IMO the only one that counts in here:

dood got a cybertruck
dood realized he overpaid for a bucket of cheap metal missing an ICE
dood was tired of only homos dropping their panties
dood could not find a fast charger near his favorite fast food restaurant
dood drove to TRUMP hotel to speak to the DON
dood got mad when he learned the DON was not in
dood's only out was to go up in flames

This shit is simple,,,

[GrandSportC3]

Shoemate is now saying that he apologizes for releasing the email and that he was unaware of Shoemate's mental health issues.



Are you planning to rent a Cybertruck for a trip to Vegas? Asking for a friend.

Just because the guy had PTSD (as virtually every military member who were deployed on the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan) doesn't mean that what he said were lies. It appears to me that part of his reason for suicide was about people he killed and friends he lost. This goes hand in hand with the claim that they KNOWINGLY killed innocent civilians in strikes against Drug facilities in Afghanistan.
He was there and he was part of those strikes that killed many civilians.

[RedLS1GTO]

It doesn't matter if it was old or not. What matters is that the Infrared imaging as well as the visual camera both caught the object and what they saw matched the radar as well. So, in order for this to be fake, you would have to
1) pilots lying
2) infrared and visual video faked
3) radar observation faked

So, all of those 3 things would have to be fake to discredit this incident.

Not much experience with .mil systems? The targeting and surveillance systems on an F-14 are about 6 steps behind Atari.

In 2024, a US Cruiser with infinitely more detection and identification systems than an F-14 couldn't tell the difference between an American F-18 and an Iranian drone.

But sure.

[GrandSportC3]

Not much experience with .mil systems? The targeting and surveillance systems on an F-14 are about 6 steps behind Atari.

In 2024, a US Cruiser with infinitely more detection and identification systems than an F-14 couldn't tell the difference between an American F-18 and an Iranian drone.

But sure.

So, Infrared technology was in it's infancy in 2004 :rofl:

Also, do you think that the pilots are lying?

[Onebadcad]

UFOs are like Free Poontang, until I see and sample it, I am not believing!!

[The_Dude]

Why don't we have flying cars yet?

[Frankie the Fink]

Why don't we have flying cars yet?

No idea, because I saw them proposed in an early 60's Popular Science mag (seriously). Clearly the gubamint is hiding the tech from us all !

[Vandelay Industries]

Why don't we have flying cars yet?

No idea, because I saw them proposed in an early 60's Popular Science mag (seriously). Clearly the gubamint is hiding the tech from us all !

:iagree:
:yesnod::yesnod::yesnod:


It's in the same room as the 250 mpg carburetors. :yesnod:

[Vandelay Industries]

I've flown over 3 million miles in anti-gravity planes that can stay in the air for hours. I'm sure they're using alien technology. Same with hot air balloons that seem to float in the air.

Let's try to keep the stories believable. :toetap:

[lrobe22]

Why don't we have flying cars yet?

Never heard of the General Lee?

[Onebadcad]

Why don't we have flying cars yet?

https://www.aeromobil.com/

[Vince Clortho]

So, Infrared technology was in it's infancy in 2004 :rofl:

Also, do you think that the pilots are lying?
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[Steve_R]

:iagree:
:yesnod::yesnod::yesnod:


It's in the same room as the 250 mpg carburetors. :yesnod:


And the alien anti-gravity drones. :yesnod:

[Frankie the Fink]

Lying and misinterpreting what you think you've seen are two different things entirely.
Many people have "seen" Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, ghosts, etc. it doesn't make it true.

I have a mirror on the ceiling over the bed which says, "Objects In Mirror are Larger Than They Appear"; it also doesn't make it true...:funnier:

[MY03C5Z]

The US as well as china have recovered alien craft and reverse engineered their anti gravity ability.

There are TONS of whislteblowers in the intelligence community that confirm just that. While I'm certain that the US as well as China has alien craft in their possession, I have been unsure if we or the chinese have been able to reverse engineer that technology. IF what Livelsberger said in the e-mail is true, we indeed have been able to reverse engineer those craft.
For obvious reasons, the government would never admit that as this technology in the wrong hands is not just a threat to this country but a threat to humanity. Imagine terrorists having the ability to have drones that fly insane speeds with unlimited payload capacity.. Not something that would be good.. It could mean the end of humanity.

If you have doubts that such technology exists, how do you explain that there are physical objects that accelerate like nothing earthly technology can do and this ability is on confirmed on multiple sensors like Infrared, visual and radar. Obviously, observing such technology isn't proof that it's alien but SOMEONE has that technology as it was observed.

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[GrandSportC3]

.

There is congressional testimony under the penalty of perjury to that respect.
There have been 500 witnesses seeing the UFO debris in Roswell in 1947 and over 100 witnesses seeing the alien bodies.
There is FACTUAL UNALTERED video showing craft that defy the laws of physics.
There are RADAR records of those craft as well..

Sure, you can claim that all of those people are lying and all the evidence was faked.. Feel free to believe that.

[RedLS1GTO]

So, Infrared technology was in it's infancy in 2004 :rofl:

Also, do you think that the pilots are lying?

IR technology on an F-14 sucked. Have you ever actually seen it? Yes, I've seen it first hand. I was the guy on the other end of trying to make the shit useful and adapting the F-14-D into a ground role in addition to AW to try to keep it in service. The IR display output of an F-14D makes scramble porn look like HD.

I think pilots are easily mistaken, motivated by different things, memories aren't great, different things are interpreted in different ways, things are seen through a skewed perspective, stories change, and things aren't always as they seem... just like every other human on Earth.

Look no farther than the studies done with witnesses to crimes where people saw the exact same thing but all somehow have completely different stories.

What is an absolute FACT is that you believe what you want to believe. If you don't like data, you dismiss it. If someone came forward saying the opposite, you dismiss them blindly. You absolutely cherry pick the small amounts of information that you believe support whatever narrative it is and everything else is irrelevant.

If I showed you piles of evidence to the contrary, you would dismiss it all and stick to what you believe.

[GrandSportC3]

IR technology on an F-14 sucked. Have you ever actually seen it? Yes, I've seen it first hand. I was the guy on the other end of trying to make the shit useful and adapting the F-14-D into a ground role in addition to AW to try to keep it in service. The IR display output of an F-14D makes scramble porn look like HD.

I think pilots are easily mistaken, motivated by different things, memories aren't great, different things are interpreted in different ways, things are seen through a skewed perspective, stories change, and things aren't always as they seem... just like every other human on Earth.

Look no farther than the studies done with witnesses to crimes where people saw the exact same thing but all somehow have completely different stories.

What is an absolute FACT is that you believe what you want to believe. If you don't like data, you dismiss it. If someone came forward saying the opposite, you dismiss them blindly. You absolutely cherry pick the small amounts of information that you believe support whatever narrative it is and everything else is irrelevant.

If I showed you piles of evidence to the contrary, you would dismiss it all and stick to what you believe.

The video in question show the Pilot switching between visual and infrared.
This was an actual physical object that came extremely close to the aircraft.
The only way to discredit that would be that both pilots are lying and all the videos were manipulated.. Feel free to believe that.

[RedLS1GTO]

The video in question show the Pilot switching between visual and infrared.
This was an actual physical object that came extremely close to the aircraft.
The only way to discredit that would be that both pilots are lying and all the videos were manipulated.. Feel free to believe that.

You have absolutely no idea what is on that video.

I've watched and analyzed hundreds (if not thousands) of videos from airstrikes, including those from F-14Ds and other aircraft with similar systems to do BDA. It's f**k near impossible to pick out things as large as buildings most of the time. Stop acting like it's something that it's not. The F-14 was retired mainly because it's onboard systems were so f**king bad and outdated that it was cheaper to build new platforms than to upgrade the Tomcats to something usable.

Just like everything else, you take a small piece of information, manipulate it to fit your narrative, and fill in all of the holes with conjecture and bullshit.

You have absolutely zero ability to understand the difference between your beliefs and facts. You believe whatever you want to believe.

Look!!! indisputable proof of UFOs!!!!!!

https://25.media.tumblr.com/05a1efec5c4b937769fc73c76f457e03/tumblr_mmn5fkNi9l1ruj667o3_r1_500.gif

[Vince Clortho]

Whatever happened to the Russian and Chinese drone attacks in New Jersey? Didn't they have a warship off the Jersey shore? Was it really alien technology?:barnbabe:

[Steve_R]

There have been 500 witnesses seeing the UFO debris in Roswell in 1947 and over 100 witnesses seeing the alien bodies.


You have to suspend all common sense and rational thought to believe:


There's life in the universe that's so far advanced beyond us that they have figured out how to travel distances of light years.
They travel those distances in a very small craft.
They travel that far, in something that advanced, to get here and crash.
They look just like humans but shorter.
They never send a second craft to find out what happened.
We've never intercepted any form of communication from them.
And on...
And on...
And on...


I would offer that if - and it's a big if - there is such advanced intelligent life out there they wouldn't travel here and simply crash. It's highly likely such life wouldn't look anything like us, in fact we may not even recognize it as "life." To believe that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe and they look like humans is beyond gullible.

[Unsuspicious]

Anti gravity does not exist. The moment an object is immune to gravity, the Earth, Sun, solar system, will leave it the **** behind. It's as simple as that.
Tiny scope smooth brained morons that think something floating in place relative to the Earth's ground is anti gravity are worse than flat earthers.

[lrobe22]

You have to suspend all common sense and rational thought to believe:


There's life in the universe that's so far advanced beyond us that they have figured out how to travel distances of light years.
They travel those distances in a very small craft.
They travel that far, in something that advanced, to get here and crash.
They look just like humans but shorter.
They never send a second craft to find out what happened.
We've never intercepted any form of communication from them.
And on...
And on...
And on...


I would offer that if - and it's a big if - there is such advanced intelligent life out there they wouldn't travel here and simply crash. It's highly likely such life wouldn't look anything like us, in fact we may not even recognize it as "life." To believe that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe and they look like humans is beyond gullible.

They are space pirates and heard about our open borders intent on importing terrorists.

[RedLS1GTO]

Anti gravity does not exist. The moment an object is immune to gravity, the Earth, Sun, solar system, will leave it the **** behind. It's as simple as that.
Tiny scope smooth brained morons that think something floating in place relative to the Earth's ground is anti gravity are worse than flat earthers.

I wasn't even going to go there, but you sir, are absolutely correct.

It something was "anti-gravity" it would pass by the Earth at about 67k mph if it was somehow centering on the sun or 500k+ mph if it was actually stationary... not "hover" in a stationary position relative to a single point in space (Earth).

But I believe "science" and "facts" left the argument long ago in this case.

[Steve_R]

They are space pirates and heard about our open borders intent on importing terrorists.


So actual illegal aliens. :D

[ptindall]

You have to suspend all common sense and rational thought to believe:


There's life in the universe that's so far advanced beyond us that they have figured out how to travel distances of light years.
They travel those distances in a very small craft.
They travel that far, in something that advanced, to get here and crash.
They look just like humans but shorter.
They never send a second craft to find out what happened.
We've never intercepted any form of communication from them.
And on...
And on...
And on...


I would offer that if - and it's a big if - there is such advanced intelligent life out there they wouldn't travel here and simply crash. It's highly likely such life wouldn't look anything like us, in fact we may not even recognize it as "life." To believe that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe and they look like humans is beyond gullible.

The universe is so absurdly vast that I would says its possible that such a creature exists, but the idea that such a rare and advanced creature that could find us and travel the untold lightyears would then crash into the ground is hilarous.

[RedLS1GTO]

The universe is so absurdly vast that I would says its possible that such a create exists, but the idea that such a rare and advanced creature that could find us and travel the untold lightyears would then crash into the ground is hilarous.

That's always been the best part.

Imagine the alien mission control back wherever they came from.

G**dammit, Snork!! You had 1 job.

[Steve_R]

That's always been the best part.

Imagine the alien mission control back wherever they came from.

G**dammit, Snork!! You had 1 job.

:rofl:

And they crashed with no burning or destruction of the bodies. PFM. :yesnod:

[dvarapala]

If the information on the drones is indeed true, this would be very concerning..

Why would you even for one single moment take anything this raving lunatic has said under any sort of consideration? :willy:

[Frankie the Fink]

IR technology on an F-14 sucked. Have you ever actually seen it? Yes, I've seen it first hand. I was the guy on the other end of trying to make the shit useful and adapting the F-14-D into a ground role in addition to AW to try to keep it in service. The IR display output of an F-14D makes scramble porn look like HD.

I think pilots are easily mistaken, motivated by different things, memories aren't great, different things are interpreted in different ways, things are seen through a skewed perspective, stories change, and things aren't always as they seem... just like every other human on Earth.

Look no farther than the studies done with witnesses to crimes where people saw the exact same thing but all somehow have completely different stories.

What is an absolute FACT is that you believe what you want to believe. If you don't like data, you dismiss it. If someone came forward saying the opposite, you dismiss them blindly. You absolutely cherry pick the small amounts of information that you believe support whatever narrative it is and everything else is irrelevant.

If I showed you piles of evidence to the contrary, you would dismiss it all and stick to what you believe.

But the AWG-9 didn't....built up many cockpits on the F-14s, way before the block D reconfig.

[RedLS1GTO]

But the AWG-9 didn't....built up many cockpits on the F-14s, way before the block D reconfig.

Agreed.

Unfortunately along with the Phoenix, it was great at a mission that was no longer the priority.

[GrandSportC3]

Why would you even for one single moment take anything this raving lunatic has said under any sort of consideration? :willy:
Because he was PART of the strikes that caused those civilian casualties and that may have been a huge contributing factor to his suicide. So, if the part about those civilian casualties was true, why would he lie about the drones?

We know that those strikes happened as a matter of fact. We know that civilians were killed in those strikes. What we didn't know is that they KNEW about the civilians before deciding to strike. There is a difference striking a target, not knowing that civilians would die or intentionally hitting a target where they knew that civilians would be killed.

[lrobe22]

So actual illegal aliens. :D

Undocumented voters according to Taurus slewfoot

[The_Dude]

Five stars

[Steve_R]

Because he was PART of the strikes that caused those civilian casualties and that may have been a huge contributing factor to his suicide. So, if the part about those civilian casualties was true, why would he lie about the drones?


What??? What does one have to do with the other?

Name a war with no civilian casualties. We'll wait.

:waiting:

[GrandSportC3]

What??? What does one have to do with the other?

Name a war with no civilian casualties. We'll wait.

:waiting:

Yes, collateral damage happens in wars BUT there is a difference between "OOPS", there were some civilian casualties and attacking a facility, KNOWING IN ADVANCE that there would be significant civilian casualties. The difference is that it is alleged that they KNEW that there were tons of civilians that would get killed vs. not knowing.

[Steve_R]

Yes, collateral damage happens in wars BUT there is a difference between "OOPS", there were some civilian casualties and attacking a facility, KNOWING IN ADVANCE that there would be significant civilian casualties. The difference is that it is alleged that they KNEW that there were tons of civilians that would get killed vs. not knowing.


Which has what, exactly, to do with secret anti-gravity drones that no enlisted military member would have knowledge of?

Your brain works in mysterious ways.

[GrandSportC3]

Which has what, exactly, to do with secret anti-gravity drones that no enlisted military member would have knowledge of?

Your brain works in mysterious ways.

If there is merit to his claims about that attack, why would he tell the truth about one thing but make up the other?

[vettemed]

If there is merit to his claims about that attack, why would he tell the truth about one thing but make up the other?

because he's coo-coo and has a distorted sense of reality?

[Steve_R]

If there is merit to his claims about that attack, why would he tell the truth about one thing but make up the other?

He rented a Cybertruck from a private owner in Denver, drove to Las Vegas where he torched the truck and shot himself. He claimed he wanted to go to Mexico and could have simply drove there but didn't. Those are not things a rational person would do, yet you want to cherry pick his claim of knowing about super-secret alien anti-gravity drones as fact. Stop. Just stop already.

[Unsuspicious]

If there is merit to his claims about that attack, why would he tell the truth about one thing but make up the other?

Deranged individuals struggling to feel relevant often try to associate themselves with grand events or movements or ideas. With a loose grip on reality, they can start from some bit of truth and spin it out to a bunch of garbage that sounds rational to their broken minds. He definitely believed he was correct. But for another (healthy) person to believe his delusions is bad news for that person.

[ptindall]

If there is merit to his claims about that attack, why would he tell the truth about one thing but make up the other?

Do you believe UD owned a used car lot? Do you believe he got texts from God telling him that the world was ending and he needed to move to Iceland?

Why would he tell the truth about one thing but make up the other?

[dvarapala]

Because he was PART of the strikes that caused those civilian casualties and that may have been a huge contributing factor to his suicide. So, if the part about those civilian casualties was true, why would he lie about the drones?

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcXZiNTJsNXRteHM1a2k2dXp4bzZmYXQ0MDMyNHE3Z2s0MHhxdjg1MyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/j0a8Kr0uDKQec/giphy.gif

[RedLS1GTO]

If there is merit to his claims about that attack, why would he tell the truth about one thing but make up the other?

To clarify your argument... if I tell you 2 stories and the first one is true, you will believe the other no matter what?

[GrandSportC3]

To clarify your argument... if I tell you 2 stories and the first one is true, you will believe the other no matter what?

Not necessarily. I'm not saying that it is true. I don't know if it's true or not. What I DO know is that in the NJ area, the police launched sophisticated drones to chase the other drones and the drones were way to fast for the police drones to catch up with them. This doesn't proof that those drones are anti gravity drones or that they are from China. However, what this means is that it's unlikely drones from private individuals, rather our own military technology or from a foreign military. Private people don't fly SUV sized drones that fly at insane speeds.

[MY03C5Z]

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[Vandelay Industries]

Do you believe UD owned a used car lot? Do you believe he got texts from God telling him that the world was ending and he needed to move to Iceland?

Why would he tell the truth about one thing but make up the other?

[UD] Keep my texts from God out of your mouth. [UD]

[RedLS1GTO]

This doesn't proof that those drones are anti gravity drones ...

I genuinely want to know how you could type this shit with a straight face. :rofl:


Of all of the possible conclusions, the one you decide to roll with is reverse engineered alien technology "anti-gravity drones" from China.

[GTOguy]

I'm hearing in his manifesto that he felt guilty and butthurt about the enemies he may have hurt or killed and the people he saw killed and felt like 'an empty shell'.

Not surprising for a generation of people who need 'mental wellness days' taken from work, and are offended by Monty Python skits or raunchy jokes.

People under the age of 4o are basically pussies.

[dvarapala]

Of all of the possible conclusions, the one you decide to roll with is reverse engineered alien technology "anti-gravity drones" from China.

Fact: If Xi Jinping had access to superior alien technology, he would have already invaded Taiwan and would be attacking the United States. :yesnod:

[Steve_R]

Can someone, anyone, explain WTF an "anti gravity drone" is? Drones already fly which somewhat defies gravity until they run out of fuel. What IS an anti gravity drone and how is it different from a gravity drone?

GrandSportC3

[Aerovette]

What's funny about that. I pointed out FACTS. We even had congressional hearings where people testified under oath, risking prison sentences if they were lying. How about the actual factual observation of objects that defy the laws of physics as we know it. How do you explain those? All made up? All the video from the F14 jets fake?


I saw a UFO. Prove that I didn't. You can't. Therefore I am not lying.

[GrandSportC3]

I genuinely want to know how you could type this shit with a straight face. :rofl:


Of all of the possible conclusions, the one you decide to roll with is reverse engineered alien technology "anti-gravity drones" from China.
Laugh all you want. We have many whistle blowers who testified in front of congress and at SCIFs that we are reverse engineering alien craft.

[Aerovette]

Laugh all you want. We have many whistle blowers who testified in front of congress and at SCIFs that we are reverse engineering alien craft.

Sucker.

If you proclaim there are alien space craft, you can then not only hide your own spying efforts, but you can avoid discussing enemy spying as well.

[Frankie the Fink]

Laugh all you want. We have many whistle blowers who testified in front of congress and at SCIFs that we are reverse engineering alien craft.
We have queer staffers butt-banging each other in the Senate hearing room too....it doesn't make them legislators..

[RedLS1GTO]

Laugh all you want. We have many whistle blowers who testified in front of congress and at SCIFs that we are reverse engineering alien craft.

I worked with a guy at STRATCOM at one point who had clearances as high as any "whistleblower".

He thought that the lawn sprinklers in his apartment complex were cameras installed to monitor his movements.

He stored all food in glass containers and would eat nothing that had touched plastic because he believed that the plastic manufacturers (under the instruction of a shadow government) embedded some sort of nano-bots that once ingested, could transmit his thoughts.

He would have absolutely testified to all of that under oath if given a chance.

Does that make it true?

Hint: Someone believing what they are saying doesn't make it true. :seasix:

[lrobe22]

Can someone, anyone, explain WTF an "anti gravity drone" is? Drones already fly which somewhat defies gravity until they run out of fuel. What IS an anti gravity drone and how is it different from a gravity drone?

GrandSportC3

It seems like the term anti-gravity differentiates in that conventional aircraft use lift/vertical thrust to affect altitude and velocity, while antigravity somehow alters physics so that it is not subject to gravity.

at least per wikipedia:
"Anti-gravity (also known as non-gravitational field) is the phenomenon of creating a place or object that is free from the force of gravity. It does not refer to either the lack of weight under gravity experienced in free fall or orbit, or to balancing the force of gravity with some other force, such as electromagnetism or aerodynamic lift. Anti-gravity is a recurring concept in science fiction."

[GrandSportC3]

I worked with a guy at STRATCOM at one point who had clearances as high as any "whistleblower".

He thought that the lawn sprinklers in his apartment complex were cameras installed to monitor his movements.

He stored all food in glass containers and would eat nothing that had touched plastic because he believed that the plastic manufacturers (under the instruction of a shadow government) embedded some sort of nano-bots that once ingested, could transmit his thoughts.

He would have absolutely testified to all of that under oath if given a chance.

Does that make it true?

Hint: Someone believing what they are saying doesn't make it true. :seasix:

It's not just one guy. It's many people. Furthermore, do you believe that all the 100 witnesses at Roswell that saw the alien bodies were lying? What about the 500 people who testified that the crashed craft was not a balloon but a UFO?
What about Jesse Marcel's son who testified about the materials his dad brought home from the crash (Jesse Marcels was the first military person at the crash site)
They had no reason to lie.

[RedLS1GTO]

It's not just one guy. It's many people. Furthermore, do you believe that all the 100 witnesses at Roswell that saw the alien bodies were lying? What about the 500 people who testified that the crashed craft was not a balloon but a UFO?
What about Jesse Marcel's son who testified about the materials his dad brought home from the crash (Jesse Marcels was the first military person at the crash site)
They had no reason to lie.

OK, let's play a math game.

How many people are involved in this operation that has been ongoing for almost 80 years?

Before you answer, bear in mind that the Manhattan Project at 1 point involved over 160k people simultaneously and over 500k people in total over the course of 5 years.

:waiting:

[LATB]

It's not just one guy. It's many people. Furthermore, do you believe that all the 100 witnesses at Roswell that saw the alien bodies were lying? What about the 500 people who testified that the crashed craft was not a balloon but a UFO?
What about Jesse Marcel's son who testified about the materials his dad brought home from the crash (Jesse Marcels was the first military person at the crash site)
They had no reason to lie.

How could you possibly know that?

[RedLS1GTO]

Now... let's continue. I think it's safe to say that this would be on the scale of the Manhattan Project, so let's use that as a baseline. Quick math gives approximately 100k per year. Let's now say for the sake of argument that it is much more secretive. Let's scale it all the way down to even 10%.

Again, very simple math tells us that over the span of this project, there would have been roughly 800k people involved.

500 "whistleblowers" would give us a 99.94% OPSEC success rate over the span of multiple generations, with the most sensitive data in the history of mankind.

Seems reasonable. :rofl:

[ptindall]

Now... let's continue. I think it's safe to say that this would be on the scale of the Manhattan Project, so let's use that as a baseline. Quick math gives approximately 100k per year. Let's now say for the sake of argument that it is much more secretive. Let's scale it all the way down to even 10%.

Again, very simple math tells us that over the span of this project, there would have been roughly 800k people involved.

500 "whistleblowers" would give us a 99.94% OPSEC success rate over the span of multiple generations, with the most sensitive data in the history of mankind.

Seems reasonable. :rofl:

Most of them keep quiet because they are embarrassed that they have accomplished absolutely nothing in 77 years. In possession of alien spacecraft for 77 years and nothing has come of it. Worst scientists and engineers of all time.

[RedLS1GTO]

It's not just one guy. It's many people. Furthermore, do you believe that all the 100 witnesses at Roswell that saw the alien bodies were lying?

Lying? Maybe, maybe not.

I saw the bodies of 14 Somalis that were killed in a raid by pirates that were put out on the deck of a boat for a week before eventually being put in a freezer.

There was nothing about any of it that looked human. Show that to someone in 1947, tell them it came from space, and it's a damn good possibility that they would believe you. Maybe they really believed it. Maybe they read too many comics. Maybe someone started a rumor and it spread. Maybe a lot of things. Humans are funny that way. Again, someone believing something doesn't make it true.

What about Jesse Marcel's son who testified about the materials his dad brought home from the crash (Jesse Marcels was the first military person at the crash site)

Jesse Marcels Jr was 10 years old. If a dad was to hand a piece of garden lava rock to a 10 year old and told him it was from the moon, they'd believe it and cherish it until the day they died. Your key "witness" is a 10 year old that believed something his dad said? Come on man.

You believe it because you want to believe it.

[RedLS1GTO]

Most of them keep quiet because they are embarrassed that they have accomplished absolutely nothing in 77 years. In possession of alien spacecraft for 77 years and nothing has come of it. Worst scientists and engineers of all time.

Valid point. :rofl:

[ptindall]

Valid point. :rofl:

We developed a functioning nuclear bomb from theory in three years but can't develope anything from an interstaller spaceship in 77. Seems legit.

[Unsuspicious]

Building hype for your department gets funding. You can testify whatever you want and as long as you believe yourself, you're not lying, you're just wrong.

[RedLS1GTO]

We developed a functioning nuclear bomb from theory in three years but can't develope anything from a interstaller spaceship in 77. Seems legit.

Correction. We didn't develop anything other than some badass anti gravity drones... which apparently have no purpose other than perhaps delivering Amazon packages in New Jersey.

[Aerovette]

It's not just one guy. It's many people. Furthermore, do you believe that all the 100 witnesses at Roswell that saw the alien bodies were lying? What about the 500 people who testified that the crashed craft was not a balloon but a UFO?
What about Jesse Marcel's son who testified about the materials his dad brought home from the crash (Jesse Marcels was the first military person at the crash site)
They had no reason to lie.

I will relate this to several discussions I have had about Biblical sightings and/or Revelations.

The people of that time could not fathom for example, a helicopter, or an automobile. If they saw either, and had to describe it to others, they would be limited to the terminology and language available at that time.

A car would be a "Great wheeled spear of enormous size and traveling beyond the horizon". Was it a spear? Did it travel beyond the horizon? No, and no.

So the witnesses at Roswell, may agree on what they laid eyes on, but the most likely don't know what they saw. Could it have been a child's corpse wrapped up like a mummy and sent up in a hot air balloon made of a new space age material? The silver mylar stuff that a million birthday balloons are made of, back then would be pretty damned "space age", no? The body could have been selected for it's weight and size but that information would not have gone over too well if it was known.

[Steve_R]

We developed a functioning nuclear bomb from theory in three years but can't develope anything from a interstaller spaceship in 77. Seems legit.


And despite Herculean efforts we couldn’t keep details of that a secret.

[dvarapala]

Most of them keep quiet because they are embarrassed that they have accomplished absolutely nothing in 77 years.

Unless the government somehow stopped hiring liberals 77 years ago then a large fraction of them aren't embarrassed in the slightest. ;)

[GrandSportC3]

How could you possibly know that?

because this was 1947. It's not like today where making outrageous claims will get you youtube views and instant fame. Also, it's hard to believe that 100 people coordinated how to describe the aliens or debris.

[GrandSportC3]

Lying? Maybe, maybe not.

I saw the bodies of 14 Somalis that were killed in a raid by pirates that were put out on the deck of a boat for a week before eventually being put in a freezer.

There was nothing about any of it that looked human. Show that to someone in 1947, tell them it came from space, and it's a damn good possibility that they would believe you. Maybe they really believed it. Maybe they read too many comics. Maybe someone started a rumor and it spread. Maybe a lot of things. Humans are funny that way. Again, someone believing something doesn't make it true.



Jesse Marcels Jr was 10 years old. If a dad was to hand a piece of garden lava rock to a 10 year old and told him it was from the moon, they'd believe it and cherish it until the day they died. Your key "witness" is a 10 year old that believed something his dad said? Come on man.

You believe it because you want to believe it.
There were other descriptions of the properties of the materials, not just from Marcels Jr.
There was also the coroner of the town which got an order from the military for 4 kids size caskets. No kids died during that time in the town but the aliens were reported as 3 to 4 feet tall.
You can find many of the eye witness testimony on youtube.
Here is a link to a playlist of interviews of many different witnesses.
This is from US National Archives

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMiYZfBKL2KsS0Z4LeRITt5Plqh3JMUSC&si=HuEGYlWaj959bFI_

[GrandSportC3]

I will relate this to several discussions I have had about Biblical sightings and/or Revelations.

The people of that time could not fathom for example, a helicopter, or an automobile. If they saw either, and had to describe it to others, they would be limited to the terminology and language available at that time.

A car would be a "Great wheeled spear of enormous size and traveling beyond the horizon". Was it a spear? Did it travel beyond the horizon? No, and no.

So the witnesses at Roswell, may agree on what they laid eyes on, but the most likely don't know what they saw. Could it have been a child's corpse wrapped up like a mummy and sent up in a hot air balloon made of a new space age material? The silver mylar stuff that a million birthday balloons are made of, back then would be pretty damned "space age", no? The body could have been selected for it's weight and size but that information would not have gone over too well if it was known.
Watch the interviews I just posted..

[LATB]

because this was 1947. It's not like today where making outrageous claims will get you youtube views and instant fame. Also, it's hard to believe that 100 people coordinated how to describe the aliens or debris.

Because 1947. :funniest::funniest:

People didn’t lie in 1947? There was no conspiracy in 1947? No corruption?
What rainbow and unicorn world do you live in? :rofl:

[jw38]

Just because the guy had PTSD (as virtually every military member who were deployed on the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan) doesn't mean that what he said were lies. It appears to me that part of his reason for suicide was about people he killed and friends he lost. This goes hand in hand with the claim that they KNOWINGLY killed innocent civilians in strikes against Drug facilities in Afghanistan.
He was there and he was part of those strikes that killed many civilians.

I was wounded by an IED during the Gulf War in 1991 and I don't have PTSD. You paint with an awfully wide brush and you have no clue what you're talking about. Those Ozempic shots are damaging your brain.

[RedLS1GTO]

There were other descriptions of the properties of the materials, not just from Marcels Jr.
There was also the coroner of the town which got an order from the military for 4 kids size caskets. No kids died during that time in the town but the aliens were reported as 3 to 4 feet tall.
You can find many of the eye witness testimony on youtube.
Here is a link to a playlist of interviews of many different witnesses.
This is from US National Archives

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMiYZfBKL2KsS0Z4LeRITt5Plqh3JMUSC&si=HuEGYlWaj959bFI_

Ahhhh...

So the theory is that aliens who have the intelligence and technology to travel through space and time (but not the technology to land) crashed, their bodies remained intact, and the highest levels of military intelligence thought:

"Well, shit. Better go into town and get some caskets from Jim. ...because what else are we going to do with these little fellas"

As a bonus, of the 197 million sq mi of Earth, they don't crash into the ocean. They don't hit a vast mountain range, any of the millions of empty square miles of desert, the arctic... they don't crash in the middle of Paris or New York. They don't hit a town or a city. No, these mofos manage to crash right next to the remote Air Force base in the United States that just so happens to be the home of secret projects and given that Europe was still a complete shambles, the 1 single place on Earth at the time where experimental aircraft and balloons were being developed and flown in addition to the place that synthetics and never before seen materials such as BoPET / Mylar and other polymers outside of what the World had ever seen were being researched and created.

I mean, sounds plausible. :shrug:

[LATB]

because this was 1947. It's not like today where making outrageous claims will get you youtube views and instant fame. Also, it's hard to believe that 100 people coordinated how to describe the aliens or debris.

Because 1947. :funniest::funniest:

People didn’t lie in 1947? There was no conspiracy in 1947? No corruption?
What rainbow and unicorn world do you live in? :rofl:

Just wanted to add…
For a little historical context…

It was corruption and conspiracy that hung Jesus Christ on the cross. Yes people lied.
And I’m pretty certain that not even Judas had a YouTube channel. :funniest:

[RedLS1GTO]

And back to the original topic... this dude blew up a Cybertruck, while still in it, to somehow prove this?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/Rh4vxHtcmVyHUyugXP/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9528olkm4g8rauhkggt01w86cuv1f4k7zlburb0ppas&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

Prolly would have been a better idea to make a YouTube video. :shrug:



"Anti-gravity". I'm still trying to understand how anybody could actually use those words with a straight face. That shit still makes me laugh every time I see it. :funniest:

[RedLS1GTO]

Just wanted to add…
For a little historical context…

It was corruption and conspiracy that hung Jesus Christ on the cross. Yes people lied.
And I’m pretty certain that not even Judas had a YouTube channel. :funniest:

Easy now. He’s not talking about that far back where conspiracy and corruption was the norm. He’s not talking about the 30s and 40s when conspiracy, corruption, and the quest for power by any means killed millions. We’re talking 1947. Specifically 1947… when nary a lie was told and virtue was the only way.

[Steve_R]

Ahhhh...

So the theory is that aliens who have the intelligence and technology to travel through space and time (but not the technology to land) crashed, their bodies remained intact, and the highest levels of military intelligence thought:

"Well, shit. Better go into town and get some caskets from Jim. ...because what else are we going to do with these little fellas"

As a bonus, of the 197 million sq mi of Earth, they don't crash into the ocean. They don't hit a vast mountain range, any of the millions of empty square miles of desert, the arctic... they don't crash in the middle of Paris or New York. They don't hit a town or a city. No, these mofos manage to crash right next to the remote Air Force base in the United States that just so happens to be the home of secret projects and given that Europe was still a complete shambles, the 1 single place on Earth at the time where experimental aircraft and balloons were being developed and flown in addition to the place that synthetics and never before seen materials such as BoPET / Mylar and other polymers outside of what the World had ever seen were being researched and created.

I mean, sounds plausible. :shrug:


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[LATB]

Easy now. He’s not talking about that far back where conspiracy and corruption was the norm. He’s not talking about the 30s and 40s when conspiracy, corruption, and the quest for power by any means killed millions. We’re talking 1947. Specifically 1947… when nary a lie was told and virtue was the only way.

I love it. “Nary a lie was told”. :rofl: “Nary” :funniest:
:cert:

[GrandSportC3]

This is getting absurd.. Corruption? Really.. 500 people getting paid to testify against the .GOV narrative.. Right..
You guys believe what you want to believe. I don't think that 500 people are going to tell the same exact lie. It's not just those witnesses. There are several others in the military that were involved that admitted that this was NOT a weather balloon.. Again.. believe what you want.

[LATB]

This is getting absurd.. Corruption? Really.. 500 people getting paid to testify against the .GOV narrative.. Right..
You guys believe what you want to believe. I don't think that 500 people are going to tell the same exact lie. It's not just those witnesses. There are several others in the military that were involved that admitted that this was NOT a weather balloon.. Again.. believe what you want.

Ok I’m not even sure what you are asserting here. So much has been posted.
Can you please articulate exactly what you are saying about these people and what they witnessed?
And please don’t make me read 5 thousand words about it.
TIA

[RedLS1GTO]

This is getting absurd.. Corruption? Really.. 500 people getting paid to testify against the .GOV narrative.. Right..
You guys believe what you want to believe. I don't think that 500 people are going to tell the same exact lie. It's not just those witnesses. There are several others in the military that were involved that admitted that this was NOT a weather balloon.. Again.. believe what you want.

Yea, it crossed the line into absurd when someone decided to use the phrase "anti-gravity". :rofl:

[RedLS1GTO]

OK, let's play a math game.

How many people are involved in this operation that has been ongoing for almost 80 years?

Before you answer, bear in mind that the Manhattan Project at 1 point involved over 160k people simultaneously and over 500k people in total over the course of 5 years.

:waiting:

:waiting:

You want to keep referencing "500 people" as if that is significant.

Try to answer this question first.

[Steve_R]

This is getting absurd.


Getting? It got absurd when you started with the alien antigravity idiocy.

[Unsuspicious]

This is getting absurd.. Corruption? Really.. 500 people getting paid to testify against the .GOV narrative.. Right..
You guys believe what you want to believe. I don't think that 500 people are going to tell the same exact lie. It's not just those witnesses. There are several others in the military that were involved that admitted that this was NOT a weather balloon.. Again.. believe what you want.

There are a million things between weather balloon and alien spacecraft, such as the balloon doing a million other things instead of measuring weather. Saying it wasn't a weather balloon is simply saying it wasn't a weather balloon, it does not make the claim that it was not a balloon.

[dvarapala]

Here's the thing about these UFOs/UAPs/Drones/whatever they're calling them this week:

Ever notice how no 2 of them look alike? Some are spheres. Some are tic-tac-shaped. Some look like minivans. And some look like the Imperial Probe Droids from The Empire Strikes Back. Do you ever see that kind of variation in other kinds of aircraft?

Also notice how they all move in different ways, as if they all had completely different propulsion systems (instead of just one "anti-gravity" propulsion unit)?

Truth has a way of converging into a single correct narrative, like how COVID-19 originated from a lab leak in Wuhan, China. When shit is all over the map like these UAP sightings are, all it is is a bunch of delusional people either making shit up, imagining things, or misinterpreting what they see.

[GrandSportC3]

Ok I’m not even sure what you are asserting here. So much has been posted.
Can you please articulate exactly what you are saying about these people and what they witnessed?
And please don’t make me read 5 thousand words about it.
TIA

watch the videos with the testimony of eye witnesses.
It is 100% clear that what crashed was NOT a balloon. The debris presented by the military was NOT from the crash site.

Also, there is testimony of Daniel Sheehan who had access to the classified part of Project Blue Book and there was a photo of a crashed UFO with military personnel around it. If we don't have UFO's, how could there be a photo of one? BTW, he did work for President Carter at the time. Carter was very interested in the subject as he saw a UFO himself.

[Onebadcad]

Getting? It got absurd when you started with the alien antigravity idiocy.

Again, show me, do not tell me,,, I want to believe, but not all the current BS fairy tales.

[GrandSportC3]

Again, show me, do not tell me,,, I want to believe, but not all the current BS fairy tales.

While I believe that we eventually will have disclosure that we do have alien craft, I highly doubt that we will get details on the UFO's propulsion system due to National Security Implications. Again, imagine terrorists having that technology..

[RedLS1GTO]

While I believe that we eventually will have disclosure that we do have alien craft, I highly doubt that we will get details on the UFO's propulsion system due to National Security Implications. Again, imagine terrorists having that technology..

Well, you've already claimed China and others have it...

What in the shit is a "terrorist" going to do with interstellar technology? Is it your claim that this technology is able to be replicated with resources that are readily available on Earth?

[Steve_R]

While I believe that we eventually will have disclosure that we do have alien craft, I highly doubt that we will get details on the UFO's propulsion system due to National Security Implications. Again, imagine terrorists having that technology.


So, again, it's your assertion that we've had this hidden, studying it, for nearly 75 years and we still don't use the technology. Riiiiiiight.

We couldn't keep details of the Manhattan Project, which happened at about the same time, secret from our enemies but we can keep this secret for decades. Riiiiight.

[LATB]

watch the videos with the testimony of eye witnesses.
It is 100% clear that what crashed was NOT a balloon. The debris presented by the military was NOT from the crash site.

Also, there is testimony of Daniel Sheehan who had access to the classified part of Project Blue Book and there was a photo of a crashed UFO with military personnel around it. If we don't have UFO's, how could there be a photo of one? BTW, he did work for President Carter at the time. Carter was very interested in the subject as he saw a UFO himself.

Do you have a copy of that UFO picture that you can share with us?

[vettemed]

Well, you've already claimed China and others have it...

What in the shit is a "terrorist" going to do with interstellar technology? Is it your claim that this technology is able to be replicated with resources that are readily available on Earth?

Hey, if Achmed can make an IED, surely he can make an IAGD.

[RedLS1GTO]

How many people are involved in this operation that has been ongoing for almost 80 years?

Before you answer, bear in mind that the Manhattan Project at 1 point involved over 160k people simultaneously and over 500k people in total over the course of 5 years.

:waiting:

So, again, it's your assertion that we've had this hidden, studying it, for nearly 75 years and we still don't use the technology. Riiiiiiight.

We couldn't keep details of the Manhattan Project, which happened at about the same time, secret from our enemies but we can keep this secret for decades. Riiiiight.

:waiting:

[GrandSportC3]

Well, you've already claimed China and others have it...

What in the shit is a "terrorist" going to do with interstellar technology? Is it your claim that this technology is able to be replicated with resources that are readily available on Earth?

I have said this before. I do not know if we have been able to replicate the technology. What I'm certain is that the technology exists but I'm not sure if we have been able to reverse engineer it. The e-mail claims that both the US and China has. I DON'T have any idea if this is true or not.
It's a claim. I wouldn't bet on it that we have. What I WOULD bet on is that we do have alien craft but what I don't know for sure is if we have been able to reverse engineer it (either the US or China).
I have no idea if there is any truth to what Livelsberger is saying. I think that it's possible but would I bet on it? Nope.

[GrandSportC3]

Do you have a copy of that UFO picture that you can share with us?

He was not allowed to bring any devices with him. He was looking at micro fiche images and documents.

[RedLS1GTO]

This is getting absurd.. Corruption? Really.. 500 people getting paid to testify against the .GOV narrative.. Right..
You guys believe what you want to believe. I don't think that 500 people are going to tell the same exact lie.

How many people claim to have seen Bigfoot?

How many people claim to have seen the Loch Ness Monster?

[GrandSportC3]

How many people claim to have seen Bigfoot?

How many people claim to have seen the Loch Ness Monster?

There is quite a difference between 100 individuals making claims about sightings at different times and 100 people seeing something at the same time and place. As for Big Foot, many people ACTUALLY saw bigfoot and they are not lying BUT they don't know what they have been seeing. All it takes is someone making a costume and walking in front of people and those people actually see bigfoot.. However, it's not actually bigfoot but a person with a costume.

[RedLS1GTO]

There is quite a difference between 100 individuals making claims about sightings at different times and 100 people seeing something at the same time and place. As for Big Foot, many people ACTUALLY saw bigfoot and they are not lying BUT they don't know what they have been seeing. All it takes is someone making a costume and walking in front of people and those people actually see bigfoot.. However, it's not actually bigfoot but a person with a costume.

So what you're saying is that large numbers of people misinterpreted something that they saw. They're not lying... but they're wrong.

Interesting.

:lol:

[GrandSportC3]

So what you're saying is that large numbers of people misinterpreted something that they saw. They're not lying... but they're wrong.

Interesting.

:lol:

How likely is it that you have 4 humans that mutated the same exact way?
Sure, you may have humans that have mutated to look like an alien.. However, if you would have multiple humans that mutated to look alike is unlikely.

This wasn't a bunch of midgets in alien costumes.

[Vandelay Industries]

How likely is it that you have 4 humans that mutated the same exact way?
Sure, you may have humans that have mutated to look like an alien.. However, if you would have multiple humans that mutated to look alike is unlikely.

This wasn't a bunch of midgets in alien costumes.

Wait...mutated humans? WTF? :confused5:

And they would never use midgets, because real aliens are tall. I've seen the pics. :yesnod:

[GrandSportC3]

Wait...mutated humans? WTF? :confused5:

And they would never use midgets, because real aliens are tall. I've seen the pics. :yesnod:

The aliens in the Roswell crash were 3 to 4 foot tall, had large heads and large eyes. ALL witnesses had a very similar description of the aliens.
So, either they were all lying OR it was midgets in alien costumes.

Obviously, there are many different alien species. Some may be tall and others small.

[Steve_R]

Obviously, there are many different alien species. Some may be tall and others small.


Obviously.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Unsuspicious]

Alien sightings and stories are extremely idiosyncratic to locale and culture.
In America, wild stories about abductions were a part of the cultural zeitgeist and produced more accounts as people simply were given the idea and had dreams of the sort. The appearance of the aliens can all be traced back to an original story describing the standard gray, big headed, big eyed variety, because that was the era's conception of "alien" and "futuristic" etc. Or course the number of eyes, limbs, general humanoid shape and size indicates an extreme lack of imagination at the same time. Oh yeah, sure, they breathed just fine in our atmosphere and our planet's conditions. Things an alien believing moron just hadn't considered while weaving the tale.
Yet just south of us in Mexico, abduction stories were not passed around to influence suggestible morons, so strangely all they have are sightings and no abductions.
So these aliens are either racist and don't want to pick up any mexicans, after knowing what our borders are somehow, or pretty much every alien story you hear is just a symptom of suggestible morons.

[GTOguy]

Do you have a copy of that UFO picture that you can share with us?

While you're at it, how about a Bigfoot corpse?

[Vandelay Industries]

The aliens in the Roswell crash were 3 to 4 foot tall, had large heads and large eyes. ALL witnesses had a very similar description of the aliens.
So, either they were all lying OR it was midgets in alien costumes.

Obviously, there are many different alien species. Some may be tall and others small.

Silly me. :lol:

[RedLS1GTO]

How many people are involved in this operation that has been ongoing for almost 80 years?

Before you answer, bear in mind that the Manhattan Project at 1 point involved over 160k people simultaneously and over 500k people in total over the course of 5 years.

:waiting:

Why won't you answer this question? :shrug:

[RedLS1GTO]

How likely is it that you have 4 humans that mutated the same exact way?

How likely is it that a craft with enough power and the energy to travel from... wherever... and still presumably enough energy stored to get back, managed to crash into a foreign planet in a manner and with enough force that it completely shredded the advanced materials that it was made of... but left 4 bodies perfectly intact?

What are the chances that the "real" aliens just so happened to look exactly like the most common science fiction descriptions of aliens at the time?

[LATB]

He was not allowed to bring any devices with him. He was looking at micro fiche images and documents.

Well there you have it. :rofl:

[GTOguy]

How likely is it that a craft with enough power and the energy to travel from... wherever... and still presumably enough energy stored to get back, managed to crash into a foreign planet in a manner and with enough force that it completely shredded the advanced materials that it was made of... but left 4 bodies perfectly intact?

If you watch Rocketship XM from 1950 or Plan 9 From Outer Space from 1956 you'll start to get a grasp of what's really going on. :)

[Onebadcad]

How likely is it that a craft with enough power and the energy to travel from... wherever... and still presumably enough energy stored to get back, managed to crash into a foreign planet in a manner and with enough force that it completely shredded the advanced materials that it was made of... but left 4 bodies perfectly intact?

What are the chances that the "real" aliens just so happened to look exactly like the most common science fiction descriptions of aliens at the time?

NOT VERY,,, /thread.

This ufo BS is a great money maker for those who can convince those bored and looking for something that something may exist.
Of course not proving it, but adding more to the BS, generates an endless stream of future revenues.

At this point, since 1947, 78 years, we should have MUCH MOAR than a few blurry photos and psychos claiming to have spent a few hours in the mothership.

I WANT TO BELIEVE,,,

[GrandSportC3]

How likely is it that a craft with enough power and the energy to travel from... wherever... and still presumably enough energy stored to get back, managed to crash into a foreign planet in a manner and with enough force that it completely shredded the advanced materials that it was made of... but left 4 bodies perfectly intact?

What are the chances that the "real" aliens just so happened to look exactly like the most common science fiction descriptions of aliens at the time?
The object was partially still in tact. It was stuck in sand and the other side was still intact.

[RedLS1GTO]

This argument really comes down to human nature.

I have held very high clearances in my career. I have always adhered to OPSEC and have never shared information that I shouldn't.

If I had no shit proof of aliens... I'm telling people. Period. I'm living my life in an entirely different manner. That's not something that you just keep to yourself. It's not something you hold onto through death because it's "Classified". It's not a secret that stays hidden for 80 years. It simply... isn't.

I keep asking the same question. How many people have been involved. the answer is that it would be thousands. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands even.

There's no way in hell that 99.96% of those people keep f**king aliens a secret.

[RedLS1GTO]

The object was partially still in tact. It was stuck in sand and the other side was still intact.

Answer the question.

How many people have been involved with this project over the last 77 years?

Again, keep in mind that the Manhattan Project averaged ~100,000 people per year.

:waiting:

[Chemtrails99]

Why us everyone here so focused on thinking that aliens travel from distant places across the universe, and not from dimensions that may overlap? Or why do so many think that an alien craft couldn't wreck? Seems easier to understand mechanical things have a higher probability of wrecking than performing correctly. Sounds like horse owners scandalizing the newly invented automobiles....

[RedLS1GTO]

The object was partially still in tact. It was stuck in sand and the other side was still intact.

So it was a gentle crash.

They figured out interstellar travel... but not how to land, and not how to use seatbelts?

[LATB]

Funny how some who believe this UFO stuff are often among those who don’t believe in God or the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Were any of these UFO experts willing to die for their beliefs?
Have any of these UFO witnesses given their lives in a brutal way for sharing their testimony?

How committed are they really?

Reminds me of and old saw:
-When you next have breakfast…
Remember, the chicken made a contribution to your meal…
The pig made a commitment.

:cert:

[RedLS1GTO]

Why us everyone here so focused on thinking that aliens travel from distant places across the universe, and not from dimensions that may overlap? Or why do so many think that an alien craft couldn't wreck? Seems easier to understand mechanical things have a higher probability of wrecking than performing correctly. Sounds like horse owners scandalizing the newly invented automobiles....

So rather than interstellar travel... they are so advanced that they figured out interdimensional travel... but not how to land.

And yes, that's exactly what it is. If the newly invented automobiles fell from space.

[GrandSportC3]

Answer the question.

How many people have been involved with this project over the last 77 years?

Again, keep in mind that the Manhattan Project averaged ~100,000 people per year.

:waiting:
How would I know this? Probably many.. I have no idea.

[GrandSportC3]

So it was a gentle crash.

They figured out interstellar travel... but not how to land, and not how to use seatbelts?

The Roswell crafts were brought down by a new type of radar that the US developed. It appeared to have interfered with the crafts systems.

[lrobe22]

round and round we go

[Chemtrails99]

So rather than interstellar travel... they are so advanced that they figured out interdimensional travel... but not how to land.

And yes, that's exactly what it is. If the newly invented automobiles fell from space.

So cars never wreck. Got it.

[RedLS1GTO]

So cars never wreck. Got it.

No, cars don't wreck on other planets. :seasix:

[RedLS1GTO]

round and round we go

You have to admit that it's pretty amazing entertainment.

[Unsuspicious]

The Roswell crafts were brought down by a new type of radar that the US developed. It appeared to have interfered with the crafts systems.

Nah, I bet one of the aliens forgot to put his iphone into airplane ufo mode.
Gmafb, the US didn't develop a new type of electromagnetic radiation, something you'd have a pretty good grasp of if you have spaceships. You don't understand radar yet you're trying to expound on the workings of alien spaceship systems :slap:

[lrobe22]

You have to admit that it's pretty amazing entertainment.

If you're happy, I'm happy.:seasix:

[Vandelay Industries]

You have to admit that it's pretty amazing entertainment.

It's a nice change of pace from the UD merry-go-round.

[RedLS1GTO]

Nah, I bet one of the aliens forgot to put his iphone into airplane ufo mode.
Gmafb, the US didn't develop a new type of electromagnetic radiation, something you'd have a pretty good grasp of if you have spaceships. You don't understand radar yet you're trying to expound on the workings of alien spaceship systems :slap:

Hold up now... I'd really like to hear about the 1947 era "new type" of radar system that brought down an alien craft.

Why did it have to be a "new" type of radar? Did the "old" types of radar not interfere? How was the 2004 version not taken down by the F-14s radar systems (that were infinitely more powerful than anything in 1947). Did they develop new systems to defeat us?

Is that why we don't have more aliens constantly flying around now? They haven't figured out how to get through our radar force fields?

This is all really good stuff. :waiting:

[Steve_R]

Nah, I bet one of the aliens forgot to put his iphone into airplane ufo mode.
Gmafb, the US didn't develop a new type of electromagnetic radiation, something you'd have a pretty good grasp of if you have spaceships. You don't understand radar yet you're trying to expound on the workings of alien spaceship systems :slap:


It was a "new type" of radar. Probably Top Secret. :yesnod:

[OnPoint]

Great thread.

Although, the title of it should be changed to, "Barn Comedy Hour"

:rofl:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I just wanna know if I’m gonna be subjected to an anal probe sometime in the near future. I wanna be wearing clean underwear.

[Chemtrails99]

No, cars don't wreck on other planets. :seasix:

You sure? Where is that Tesla now?

[Kevin68]

I think the UFO thing is more likely a gov't experiment to determine the types of people that will believe in nonsense and the type of information that will convince them. An experiment in propaganda methodology.

[Frankie the Fink]

Elon is coming out soon with a self-bombing Cybertruck - believe it.

[ptindall]

I think the UFO thing is more likely a gov't experiment to determine the types of people that will believe in nonsense and the type of information that will convince them. An experiment in propaganda methodology.

A baseless extraordinary claim about a baseless extraordinary claim. Next level!

[Unsuspicious]

A baseless extraordinary claim about a baseless extraordinary claim. Next level!

Sounds pretty reasonable to me, actually.
If you're giving someone access to secret stuff and you want to test their discretion, throw in a few incredible things like a fake picture of aliens and a ufo to see if they'll leak.
Homeboy failed the test.

[Vince Clortho]

No, cars don't wreck on other planets. :seasix:119881

[RedLS1GTO]

I just wanna know if I’m gonna be subjected to an anal probe sometime in the near future. I wanna be wearing clean underwear.

Have you worn clean underwear any of the other times you volunteered? :shrug:

Smells funny, weird hair, overly excited, dirty underwear... would not probe

[dvarapala]

As for Big Foot, many people ACTUALLY saw bigfoot and they are not lying BUT they don't know what they have been seeing.

Now you're starting to get it. :yesnod:

Next, replace "bigfoot" with "UFO" in that sentence. :thumbs:

[dvarapala]

How likely is it that a craft with enough power and the energy to travel from... wherever... and still presumably enough energy stored to get back, managed to crash into a foreign planet in a manner and with enough force that it completely shredded the advanced materials that it was made of... but left 4 bodies perfectly intact?

That Tesla Flying Saucer had a 5-star crash safety rating. :D

[dvarapala]

You sure? Where is that Tesla now?

The Tesla Roadster that Elon launched into space hasn't crashed yet! :thumbs:

[RedLS1GTO]

That Tesla Flying Saucer had a 5-star crash safety rating. :D

Not if it left 4 mofos dead! :willy:

[The_Dude]

No, cars don't wreck on other planets. :seasix:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b0/87/46/b08746f03e4794f3852076d3143e6ae8.jpg

[OnPoint]

The Tesla Roadster that Elon launched into space hasn't crashed yet! :thumbs:

Unless it got painted with some fancy pants radar.

Fancy pants radar can bring anything down, including interstellar and interdimensional craft. That Tesla ain't got a chance against fancy pants radar.

[Kevin68]

A baseless extraordinary claim about a baseless extraordinary claim. Next level!

My work here is done.

[LATB]

I just wanna know if I’m gonna be subjected to an anal probe sometime in the near future. I wanna be wearing clean underwear.

:rofl: C'mon y'all...that's funny. :funniest: