How many days should a vehicle be able to sit in cold weather?

[Louie Detroit]

Before the battery goes dead in 20 degrees F or higher temperatures?

A few weeks ago I was feeling under the weather and not feeling like going out, I had plenty of provisions so I didn’t leave the house for 8 days. When I finally decided to hit the party store on Turkey Day my battery was stone dead. The last couple of days the temperature got down to about 25 degrees so I wasn’t overly surprised i had to call AAA for a jump.

Well last Friday the car sat for 3 days in high teens weather and you guessed it, car wouldn’t start again. AAA had a hell of a time getting the hood open and I had to beg the guy to keep trying until we could finally pop the hood. My battery is less than 2 years old and was purchased from and installed by AAA.

I took the vehicle to the dealership and they checked and lubricated the hood latch so at least that’s no longer a concern for me. Unfortunately the dead battery issue is still a concern so it looks like I’m stuck taking the Lincoln out for a 20 minute spin every day to keep things charging. The AAA guy assured me the battery tests fine and I just need to not let it sit for more than a couple of days.

I know many of you just got off the golf course on a perfect 75 degree day blah blah blah so I’ll save you the effort of once again lording that over us northern Yankees.

I’ve not been setting the door lock/burglar alarm since the first jump but that didn’t seem to make any difference. What is your opinion on the matter?
:waiting:

[vettemed]

Depends on the vehicle, but a healthy battery shouldn't go dead in a week. You may have a parasitic draw in one of the circuits.

[Swany00]

How old is the battery? Could be a crappy cell making it go kaput too fast

[6spdC6]

Before the battery goes dead in 20 degrees F or higher temperatures?

A few weeks ago I was feeling under the weather and not feeling like going out, I had plenty of provisions so I didn’t leave the house for 8 days. When I finally decided to hit the party store on Turkey Day my battery was stone dead. The last couple of days the temperature got down to about 25 degrees so I wasn’t overly surprised i had to call AAA for a jump.

Well last Friday the car sat for 3 days in high teens weather and you guessed it, car wouldn’t start again. AAA had a hell of a time getting the hood open and I had to beg the guy to keep trying until we could finally pop the hood. My battery is less than 2 years old and was purchased from and installed by AAA.

I took the vehicle to the dealership and they checked and lubricated the hood latch so at least that’s no longer a concern for me. Unfortunately the dead battery issue is still a concern so it looks like I’m stuck taking the Lincoln out for a 20 minute spin every day to keep things charging. The AAA guy ensured me the battery tests fine and I just need to not let it sit for more than a couple of days.

I know many of you just got off the golf course on a perfect 75 degree day blah blah blah so I’ll save you the effort of once again lording that over us northern Yankees.

I’ve not been setting the door lock/burglar alarm since the first jump but that didn’t seem to make any difference. What is your opinion on the matter?
:waiting:

Get a battery TENDER! Living where it can go down to -30F and stay real cold like -12 for days at a time with your vechicle parked out side. Way too much electronic stuff in ''modern vechicles"that leaches power. A TENDER is not expensive and works well!

[Yadkin]

It's been my experience that an old battery will pass a short term load test but still lose its charge over a day or two. So you can either keep your old battery on a tender or go out and buy a new one.

[Swany00]

agree with the battery tender, if my vehicles aren't driven within 3 days, I'll put them on the tender....though it might be hard for him if he lives in an apt or section 8 housing, mofos will steal it

[Louie Detroit]

Depends on the vehicle, but a healthy battery shouldn't go dead in a week. You may have a parasitic draw in one of the circuits.

I had an iPod cable plugged into one of my USB ports and thought maybe it was triggering some onboard computer to stay on or talk or something so I unplugged the cable but that apparently made no difference.

[Louie Detroit]

How old is the battery? Could be a crappy cell making it go kaput too fast

About 19 months old, this is only the second winter it has seen.

[Louie Detroit]

Get a battery TENDER! Living where it can go down to -30F and stay real cold like -12 for days at a time with your vechicle parked out side. Way too much electronic stuff in ''modern vechicles"that leaches power. A TENDER is not expensive and works well!

I have a tender, I guess I need to consider using it.

[Louie Detroit]

It's been my experience that an old battery will pass a short term load test but still lose its charge over a day or two. So you can either keep your old battery on a tender or go out and buy a new one.

The battery is still under warranty for another 17 months but as long as they test it as being OK they say they can’t replace it.

[Yadkin]

About 19 months old, this is only the second winter it has seen.

I had an 04 Ford Exploder that used to eat batteries. My son eventually figured out why by isolating circuits and he still owns it.

[vettemed]

I had an iPod cable plugged into one of my USB ports and thought maybe it was triggering some onboard computer to stay on or talk or something so I unplugged the cable but that apparently made no difference.

You can check for parasitic draw with an ammeter, it's not too difficult, there's videos online.

Just having a cable plugged in should not have caused anything if there was no device on the other end.

[Louie Detroit]

You can check for parasitic draw with an ammeter, it's not too difficult, there's videos online.

Just having a cable plugged in should not have caused anything if there was no device on the other end.

My friend is a retired automotive engineer from Chrysler who already mentioned this so I guess I’ll be giving him a call.

[Yadkin]

The battery is still under warranty for another 17 months but as long as they test it as being OK they say they can’t replace it.

You can remove the negative cable and test the voltage at full charge then every day. Write it down. If it gets below 12 volts in a few days they you've got a case for replacement.

Here's a chart that shows voltage as an indicator for state of charge:

https://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/battery-state-of-charge-chart_v2.jpg

[The_Dude]

Replace the battery every three years

[Louie Detroit]

I’m almost afraid to admit this here but due to health issues and my extreme disdain of the cold and getting my hands dirty working on a car, I’ll settle with paying someone else to help. Don’t take this as an insult towards you DIYers but some of the worst times and darkest days in my life were spent working on cars and I told myself when I got older and had money I would hire the guy and not deal with it. I don’t mind sitting in my den taking apart a computer to fix it, but no more car crawling for Louie.

[Swany00]

I’m almost afraid to admit this here but due to health issues and my extreme disdain of the cold and getting my hands dirty working on a car, I’ll settle with paying someone else to help. Don’t take this as an insult towards you DIYers but some of the worst times and darkest days in my life were spent working on cars and I told myself when I got older and had money I would hire the guy and not deal with it. I don’t mind sitting in my den taking apart a computer to fix it, but no more car crawling for Louie.

it's easy to connect a tender to your terminals, probably won't take more than 5 minutes and no crawling around

our wrangler 392 will get a low battery warning if it isn't driven in 3 or 4 days, a known issue with a lot of them (has a smaller battery which seems to be the culprit), hooking up a tender seemed to help the problem.

[Louie Detroit]

it's easy to connect a tender to your terminals, probably won't take more than 5 minutes and no crawling around

our wrangler 392 will get a low battery warning if it isn't driven in 3 or 4 days, a known issue with a lot of them (has a smaller battery which seems to be the culprit), hooking up a tender seemed to help the problem.

Oh yea I know, I kept my vettes Optima Yellow top on a tender a few months a year until I sold it.

[lrobe22]

Wire up the ring terminals of a ctek with quick disconnects like the 4.3 and you'll be in good shape. And/or buy a battery made for harsh use. 20 minute initial wiring job then 10 seconds to use the quick disconnects from there. I don't know what battery AAA used but it's probably dogshit. Look into something like an Odyssey Extreme or similar AGM.



https://youtu.be/LmjVpA7pv7A?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/OzbFLK3G7Vw?feature=shared

[Vette40th]

You can set the tender up so all you have to do is plug it in.
Or, look at some of the cars up north that have the plug coming out of the grill area. I know they are engine heater systems, but you can run your cable from the terminals to the plug of the tender. Then you wont have to open the hood each time to connect it.

[04 commemorative]

I hooked up the quick disconnect to the 04.....that took 5 minutes and worked perfect.

[Aerovette]

The battery is still under warranty for another 17 months but as long as they test it as being OK they say they can’t replace it.

Take the car with you and have them try to start it. "I think you need a new battery" will most likely be their response.

[MadInNc]

It's been my experience that an old battery will pass a short term load test but still lose its charge over a day or two. So you can either keep your old battery on a tender or go out and buy a new one.

2 yr's from AAA? If they say good and tested with a good tester beyond claiming battery good, it should have caught the parasitic draw.

At least that's my case with the Advance Auto tester as I replaced the battery but after 2-3 days truck was dead. Try that route Louis.

If ya do have a parasitic draw, it took them 1 month to find it on my truck. First ABS switch, then found a water leak and bad trailer plug with a FLIR Camera, then back to replaced ABS plug etc. Bill was over $1,400! (thanks for that extended warranty)

I lived in Chitown for many years never had a tender or charger on my batteries even with them sitting 2-3 days in 0f weather..

[GTOguy]

OBD2 vehicles have a lot of modules and ECM's that need to be 'kept alive' so they don't need to 're-learn' their operating parameters each time you start the car. There will be parasitic drain compared to the old stuff I drive which have no computers.
That being said, your battery should at least be able to start the car after 3 weeks. Once a battery gets stone dead or sulfates, it will never be the same.

Also, my experience is that batteries used to last me 10-15 years and now they last about 6.

Optima have been crap for the past 12-15 years since they started building them in Mexico.

What is the Louie Detroit chariot? :)

[Louie Detroit]

OBD2 vehicles have a lot of modules and ECM's that need to be 'kept alive' so they don't need to 're-learn' their operating parameters each time you start the car. There will be parasitic drain compared to the old stuff I drive which have no computers.
That being said, your battery should at least be able to start the car after 3 weeks. Once a battery gets stone dead or sulfates, it will never be the same.

Also, my experience is that batteries used to last me 10-15 years and now they last about 6.

Optima have been crap for the past 12-15 years since they started building them in Mexico.

What is the Louie Detroit chariot? :)

2017 Lincoln MKX, just turned 38k miles. I know nothing fancy but it's paid for, pretty much loaded, maintained and will outlast me unless stolen or wrecked. :seasix:

[Yadkin]

2017 Lincoln MKX, just turned 38k miles. I know nothing fancy but it's paid for, pretty much loaded, maintained and will outlast me unless stolen or wrecked. :seasix:

Since when is a Lincoln not fancy? That's high cotton in my book. :yesnod:

[slewfoot]

Get a battery TENDER! Living where it can go down to -30F and stay real cold like -12 for days at a time with your vechicle parked out side. Way too much electronic stuff in ''modern vechicles"that leaches power. A TENDER is not expensive and works well!

^^This. The first couple years with my Harley was stupid with batteries. After getting a tender, I have been using the same one for around 6-7 years?

[Mick]

I’m almost afraid to admit this here but due to health issues and my extreme disdain of the cold and getting my hands dirty working on a car, I’ll settle with paying someone else to help. Don’t take this as an insult towards you DIYers but some of the worst times and darkest days in my life were spent working on cars and I told myself when I got older and had money I would hire the guy and not deal with it. I don’t mind sitting in my den taking apart a computer to fix it, but no more car crawling for Louie.

I'm with you on that one, I don't want to go crawling under cars any more by myself. Basically all of the guys into cars that I knew have gotten old and/or moved away, so help is difficult to get nowadays, and just not worth it to me. I'll change the oil on my Corvette, and do other maintenance/repair/improvement projects that don't require jacking up the car and going under it. All DD stuff goes to professionals, and under-car stuff on the Corvette does as well.

[slewfoot]

With the battery located in the back or some off the wall location, could tender leads be run off the remote jumping location in the front engine area and a negative connected to a bolt nearby and still function properly?

[Bill]

I think I agree with the consensus that a battery tender is the solution here. There are some stand alone trickle 'float chargers' that you can just run an extension cord to. Leave the hood popped up so that only the secondary latch is holding it. That will prevent the hood opening problem from that frozen cable to the cabin. When you get home, while the engine is warm, plug it in, soft close the hood, and leave the self contained float charger under the hood so it doesn't get wet or icy.

[Aerovette]

2017 Lincoln MKX, just turned 38k miles. I know nothing fancy but it's paid for, pretty much loaded, maintained and will outlast me unless stolen or wrecked. :seasix:

https://i.imgflip.com/9e8kb4.jpg

[jw38]

Replace the battery every three years

Or move to somewhere that doesn't get cold for long periods of time.

[Torqaholic]

Mine are good for about a week without driving. That was a problem for me since I might only go out about once a week and the drive is very short. A 5 minute drive in town doesn't do much charging. No problems since I began using battery tenders though.

[GTOguy]

2017 Lincoln MKX, just turned 38k miles. I know nothing fancy but it's paid for, pretty much loaded, maintained and will outlast me unless stolen or wrecked. :seasix:

That make and model will have a lot of parasitic drain due to all the accessories. It's a lot more complex than a Focus or a Hyundai.

Agree on the tender if the car sits for weeks between runs.

[MadInNc]

I think I agree with the consensus that a battery tender is the solution here. There are some stand alone trickle 'float chargers' that you can just run an extension cord to. Leave the hood popped up so that only the secondary latch is holding it. That will prevent the hood opening problem from that frozen cable to the cabin. When you get home, while the engine is warm, plug it in, soft close the hood, and leave the self contained float charger under the hood so it doesn't get wet or icy.

Bullshit. It's not an EV 100's of Mill cars have gone through Detroit top 3 over the last 50 yrs. Weather hasn't changed that much. If this is norm -> wouldn't every car on a dealer lot, parking garage etc. be plugged in.

If it has a draw find it, fix it. Fuse popping time

[vettemed]

Or move to somewhere that doesn't get cold for long periods of time.

high heat isn't all that kind to batteries either. I'm happy to get 3 years out of a battery in FL.

[Bill]

high heat isn't all that kind to batteries either. I'm happy to get 3 years out of a battery in FL.

Houston is just as hot, and I usually get 3-4 years out of batteries, sometimes less. Best, probably 5 years, but that hasn't happened in a while. My Cruze is 8 years old with the original battery. I attribute that to the fact that the battery is in the trunk, so at least mildly climate controlled and not in the hot torture chamber of the engine compartment.

I did buy a set of batteries for my truck at Wally World years back and was having all sorts of electrical gremlins...weird intermittent things. Took the batteries back to WM, they say they check out fine. Brought the truck to the Dodge house, they looked at it, said that batteries were bad, put two new Mopar batteries in it, and the gremlins ceased. I was mad about that as the WM batteries probably weren't even a couple years old yet. Obviously no warranty there, since Dodge put in the new batteries.

[LATB]

I’m almost afraid to admit this here but due to health issues and my extreme disdain of the cold and getting my hands dirty working on a car, I’ll settle with paying someone else to help. Don’t take this as an insult towards you DIYers but some of the worst times and darkest days in my life were spent working on cars and I told myself when I got older and had money I would hire the guy and not deal with it. I don’t mind sitting in my den taking apart a computer to fix it, but no more car crawling for Louie.

First indication of battery problems and I replace them.
I called my friend who manages an indy shop, he picked up the batteries from the auto parts store and had them at his shop when I arrived and they did the install.
Yes I could have done it myself, and I did replace the battery in my wife’s car, but I just didn’t want to eff with it. And there’s two of them in my truck so I didn’t want to eff with it twice as much. :rofl:

[MY03C5Z]

Buy a high quality battery and you won’t have issues like this. I have an Odyssey AGM in my truck, in my c5z (just sold) 4 wheeler and another DD of ours. It’s the absolute best AGM battery available. Not cheap, but a fantastic battery. They are not ‘all the same’

Or just buy whatever no name POS at Walmart like some do and trade it in every other year…..

[mtnman]

That Lincoln has a ton of stuff sucking on the battery while it's parked. That said - the battery should last longer than 3 days in "cold" weather. As others have suggested - a battery tender will help. But I think your battery is likely weak too.

I suggest buying a battery with the highest cold cranking amps (CCA) you can get that will fit. That helps a lot.

Do you have a block heater? Up here, we need high CCA, and block heaters. Batteries last a lot longer then... I still use CTEK battery maintainers on my ATVs, boat, motorcycle, and dually while parked for long periods (inside). My 94 GMC daily beater sits outside all year - but gets plugged in (block heater) when temps get below 14F.

If you do use a maintainer / tender outside - be sure to check the temperature range of the unit you're looking at buying, and see if it works for you. Outdoor chargers that work up here are few in number :D

[Bill]

Buy a high quality battery and you won’t have issues like this. I have an Odyssey AGM in my truck, in my c5z (just sold) 4 wheeler and another DD of ours. It’s the absolute best AGM battery available. Not cheap, but a fantastic battery. They are not ‘all the same’

Or just buy whatever no name POS at Walmart like some do and trade it in every other year…..

How long do they last? My business partner bought a couple of AGM's for his diesel and they didn't seem to do any better than the standard lead acid versions.

[lrobe22]

How long do they last? My business partner bought a couple of AGM's for his diesel and they didn't seem to do any better than the standard lead acid versions.

Mine are 7 years and still going. Freezing, high heat, and high discharge events. They are pure virgin lead, square plate (maximum area available versus optima’s spirals not using full area), and the extreme line uses brass terminals. They have a lot of amps for their class. My old school optimas have done well also.

[lrobe22]

That Lincoln has a ton of stuff sucking on the battery while it's parked. That said - the battery should last longer than 3 days in "cold" weather. As others have suggested - a battery tender will help. But I think your battery is likely weak too.

I suggest buying a battery with the highest cold cranking amps (CCA) you can get that will fit. That helps a lot.

Do you have a block heater? Up here, we need high CCA, and block heaters. Batteries last a lot longer then... I still use CTEK battery maintainers on my ATVs, boat, motorcycle, and dually while parked for long periods (inside). My 94 GMC daily beater sits outside all year - but gets plugged in (block heater) when temps get below 14F.

If you do use a maintainer / tender outside - be sure to check the temperature range of the unit you're looking at buying, and see if it works for you. Outdoor chargers that work up here are few in number :D

Orange ctek ftw!

[mtnman]

How long do they last? My business partner bought a couple of AGM's for his diesel and they didn't seem to do any better than the standard lead acid versions.

The best AGMs in my experience have been Odyssey... The new Optimas don't seem to be as good as the old ones. But again - cold cranking amps are key...

[Big bob]

Found this SSM (Special Service Message) that Ford put out on their website to assist technicians on possibly fixing the battery drain concern.

SSM 50250

2017 MKZ/Fusion - Battery Drain - Built On Or Before 3-Jun-2016

Some 2017 MKZ and Fusion vehicles equipped with memory seats and built on or before 03-Jun-2016 may exhibit a discharged battery or a battery drain condition. Before performing normal diagnostics, reprogram the driver door module (DDM) to the latest calibration using the Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS). Use causal part 14B291 and applicable labor operations from Section 10 of the Service Labor Time Standards (SLTS) Manual.

[Bill]

Found this SSM (Special Service Message) that Ford put out on their website to assist technicians on possibly fixing the battery drain concern.

SSM 50250

2017 MKZ/Fusion - Battery Drain - Built On Or Before 3-Jun-2016

Some 2017 MKZ and Fusion vehicles equipped with memory seats and built on or before 03-Jun-2016 may exhibit a discharged battery or a battery drain condition. Before performing normal diagnostics, reprogram the driver door module (DDM) to the latest calibration using the Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS). Use causal part 14B291 and applicable labor operations from Section 10 of the Service Labor Time Standards (SLTS) Manual.


Wait. Whut? a car built before June, 2016 is considered a 2017 model?

:confused:

[Big bob]

Wait. Whut? a car built before June, 2016 is considered a 2017 model?

:confused:


Most U.S. companies have the first two weeks of July off for model change over. But can vary or can be a rolling change over.:seasix:

[VatorMan]

For me, I have a Battery Tender and an assortment of cords. I’m due to go on vacation after Christmas and I will put all my vehicles on trickle charge. However, I do know that not all can park in such a way to use this. Best way is to have someone install a disconnect in line with the + from the battery.

[Yadkin]

This is the best video I've seen on doing a current draw test on a modern car with a hundred sensors and a "module" everywhere else.

https://youtu.be/lRcj1fQcWwU?si=Sgw3VNLkbVJAHLfz

[LATB]

Wait. Whut? a car built before June, 2016 is considered a 2017 model?

:confused:

Wife’s 2019 Jeep was purchased in April 2018.

[ricks327]

My 2019 Chev Impala Premier has sat for 3-4 weeks in the winter while I'm in Florida with the Vette. When I get home, it fires right up, so Louie you have a draw or bad battery.

[Louie Detroit]

Wait. Whut? a car built before June, 2016 is considered a 2017 model?

:confused:

My SUV was built in June 2017. Sat on dealer lot until Jan 2018. Bought as 2 year lease return in Feb 2020. It’s a 2017.

[dvarapala]

Before the battery goes dead in 20 degrees F or higher temperatures?

If it's a 2005 C6 about 3 days. :leaving:

[Chemtrails99]

I've been chasing a battery drain that kills the battery ivernight in a 2004 Silverado. Think I've put three batteries in it was over the last two years as the problem went from a few weeks, to a week, to days and then overnight. This week I've replaced and programmed the BCM, which apparently was a huge draw after having gone bad for some unknown reason. I'm sick to death of overcomplicated cars with expensive or non-existent parts that need to be regularly replaced....

[vettemed]

I've been chasing a battery drain that kills the battery ivernight in a 2004 Silverado. Think I've put three batteries in it was over the last two years as the problem went from a few weeks, to a week, to days and then overnight. This week I've replaced and programmed the BCM, which apparently was a huge draw after having gone bad for some unknown reason. I'm sick to death of overcomplicated cars with expensive or non-existent parts that need to be regularly replaced....

I had a 2000 Tahoe with the Bose stereo. Randomly it would be dead in the mornings. Turned out to be the Bose amp that had an internal fault, causing huge draw on the battery, but only sometimes. Left that fuse out once I found it.

[slewfoot]

Well, it looks like my wifes hybrid car might have a parasitic draw. Going to drive over to the dealership today (in my car) and talk to them.

I replaced the regular car battery (not hybrid battery) a year ago, then again a couple months ago and dead again.

[MY03C5Z]

How long do they last? My business partner bought a couple of AGM's for his diesel and they didn't seem to do any better than the standard lead acid versions.



There are lots of ‘AGM’ style batteries out there (Absorbed Glass Mat). They tend to do better in rougher, more extreme environments: Off road vehicles, ATV’s, 4wheelers. There is no electrolyte floating and sloshing around, it is absorbed in fiberglass matt between the plates. Odyssey AGM’s use 100% pure lead (not recycled) and thin lead plates. I have heard of them lasting up to 10 years or more. Not cheap, but the best built AGM available imo.

[Frankie the Fink]

When I worked in Wash DC and commuted via the Metro my little Mazda B-3000 pickup would sit in winter ice and snow for 3 weeks w/o running and never failed to start. It was a 1996 without all the modern electron sucking do-dads however.

If its my home a NOCO battery maintainer will keep the battery up to snuff with no ill effects.

[Louie Detroit]

I went to start my vehicle yesterday and the battery was dead again, the 3rd time in about 2 months. I drove it the day before and it started. Once again AAA came out and helped me and they finally determined the battery was shot, under warranty, and installed me a new one for free under warranty. So far so good, but the cold snap isn't over yet.

[ricks327]

I went to start my vehicle yesterday and the battery was dead again, the 3rd time in about 2 months. I drove it the day before and it started. Once again AA came out and helped me and they finally determined the battery was shot, under warranty, and installed me a new one for free under warranty. So far so good, but the cold snap isn't over yet.

Louie just checked -1

[Louie Detroit]

Louie just checked -1

What?

[dvarapala]

I went to start my vehicle yesterday and the battery was dead again, the 3rd time in about 2 months. I drove it the day before and it started. Once again AA came out and helped me and they finally determined the battery was shot, under warranty, and installed me a new one for free under warranty. So far so good, but the cold snap isn't over yet.

* AAA

[Anjdog2003]

I have a few cars that sit outside all year. I figure when it gets down to 50 degrees they'll be able to handle it.

[dvarapala]

I have a few cars that sit outside all year.

Including your house on the banks of the Santa Ana river. :D

[ricks327]

What?

Now it's -2 outside.:)

[dvarapala]

I remember those days living in a 1900's brownstone with no off-street parking. When it would snow, on-street parking was banned on alternating days so that the plows could clear the streets. If the temperature dropped below zero after a big snowfall, your battery died and you couldn't start your car so you ended up getting towed to a big empty field next to the North Shore Channel. Musta cost me $40 or more to get the damn car back.

Ah, the good old days. :angel:

[Anjdog2003]

Including your house on the banks of the Santa Ana river. :D




At least i don't have to have my Van in a heated garage. :yesnod:

[dvarapala]

At least i don't have to have my Van in a heated garage. :yesnod:

To whom are you referring? :shrug:

[Anjdog2003]

To whom are you referring? :shrug:



To all the guys from the Midwest and Back East, and that strange Country above us. :yesnod:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

^^This. The first couple years with my Harley was stupid with batteries. After getting a tender, I have been using the same one for around 6-7 years?

I keep all three on my bikes on a tender and that includes during the riding season. Pull in garage, remove helmet, plug in tender.

Even with consistent tender use ain’t no way I’d trust a motorcycle battery 6-7 years. You’re a brave man.

[Jughead]

I have my Raptor hooked up to a solar charger when not in use.

[LATB]

I keep all three on my bikes on a tender and that includes during the riding season. Pull in garage, remove helmet, plug in tender.

Even with consistent tender use ain’t no way I’d trust a motorcycle battery 6-7 years. You’re a brave man.

With steel bars on the windows of his home.
That's some real bravery right there. :rofl:

[04 commemorative]

been in single digits here and Terrain is outside everyday....original battery (2020) and so far all ok....hope I just didn't curse myself....Who remembers when a battery cost maybe $25.00 ?

[Yadkin]

* AAA

Didn't you know that Alcoholics Anonymous sells batteries? :confused5:

[Yadkin]

I keep all three on my bikes on a tender and that includes during the riding season. Pull in garage, remove helmet, plug in tender.

Even with consistent tender use ain’t no way I’d trust a motorcycle battery 6-7 years. You’re a brave man.

Kick starter.