SoPas Police Fleet Goes All-EV

[dvarapala]

This actually makes a lot of sense. Not only will these cars consume almost no "fuel" while stopped, they're also faster than the ICE cruisers when it's time for "hot pursuit." :yesnod:

A city in Southern California has become the first in the nation to replace its police patrol cars with electric vehicles, officials announced Monday, unveiling a fleet of 20 new Teslas.

South Pasadena on the edge of Los Angeles will replace its gas-guzzling police cruisers with the Teslas to help protect public health and fight climate change through reducing emissions. The Teslas will use new electric vehicle chargers installed at City Hall, officials said.

Police vehicles typically idle more than other vehicles when officers make traffic stops or respond to emergency calls, which greatly adds to emissions, said Michael Cacciotti, a city councilmember and regional air quality official.

https://apnews.com/article/tesla-police-fleet-electric-vehicles-california-59667e9ead54727ba01be83f972a23bd

[Aerovette]

Note to self, when officers pull over for a hot meal, make a run for it.

[Unsuspicious]

Are they safer when they get shot

[vettemed]

Are they safer when they get shot

If a round pierces the power storage part of the vehicle it will be an Assault on Battery.

[KenHorse]

Can't wait for the first report(s) of their batteries dying in the middle of something important

[Aerovette]

One Adam twelve, see the man. Reported hostage situation.

Adam 12 responding. We are half a hot meal away. Expected arrival 1 hour and 15 minutes.

[Anjdog2003]

The EV's are a lot faster than the existing cop cars and can run with most exotic/sports cars.

[Aerovette]

The EV's are a lot faster than the existing cop cars and can run with most exotic/sports cars.

For several minutes at least. :Jeff '79:

[Sea Six]

One Adam twelve, see the man. Reported hostage situation.

Adam 12 responding. We are half a hot meal away. Expected arrival 1 hour and 15 minutes.

:lol:

[Anjdog2003]

Can't wait for the first report(s) of their batteries dying in the middle of something important



Or the existing cop cars running out of gas. :spdchk:

[6spdC6]

This actually makes a lot of sense. Not only will these cars consume almost no "fuel" while stopped, they're also faster than the ICE cruisers when it's time for "hot pursuit." :yesnod:



https://apnews.com/article/tesla-police-fleet-electric-vehicles-california-59667e9ead54727ba01be83f972a23bd


Most LEO cars that I'm aware of have plenty of power using equipment on board. That stuff will be running when the vechicle is stopped. More stop, more power used! Power has to come from somewhere. Also in hot pursuit the battery power use will go up real fast. You don't have to out run them, just out last them!

I got a funny feeling this is going to prove out not near as good as these geniuses think it will be.:rofl:

[Aerovette]

Most LEO cars that I'm aware of have plenty of power using equipment on board. That stuff will be running when the vechicle is stopped. More stop, more power used! Power has to come from somewhere. Also in hot pursuit the battery power use will go up real fast. You don't have to out run them, just out last them!

I got a funny feeling this is going to prove out not near as good as these geniuses think it will be.:rofl:

Anyone that has seen a chase knows that catching the car is rarely the issue. It's the fact that they do ZIP to stop it most of the time. An EV is not going to change a damn thing.

[ricks327]

I wonder if there was any info provided how long an EV can run while stopped at a serious traffic accident or crime scene with it's overhead emergency lights, computer, radio and AC running.

[SurfnSun]

I wonder if there was any info provided how long an EV can run while stopped at a serious traffic accident or crime scene with it's overhead emergency lights, computer, radio and AC running.

Its a long time. I can "idle" my PHEV with the AC for hours and barely use any battery.


Id be more concerned about PIT maneuvers

[04 commemorative]

Good for SoPas

[Bill]

Anyone that has seen a chase knows that catching the car is rarely the issue. It's the fact that they do ZIP to stop it most of the time. An EV is not going to change a damn thing.

Maybe you haven't been to Arkansas? Those guys DGAF, they will f*ck your sh*t up..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDY7SlHnrUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0sv5-vxqEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZeT1flgfqs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-etOCS0aPw

[Unsuspicious]

Heavy EV isn't going to be as nimbly bimbly, some cops are gonna find out the hard way

[Bill]

I wonder if there was any info provided how long an EV can run while stopped at a serious traffic accident or crime scene with it's overhead emergency lights, computer, radio and AC running.

I can't imagine the computer and radio draw much power, which is why it irks me to see police just leave their cars running the whole day. I see cruisers parked with the police eating lunch, and yes, the cars are running. Seems wasteful. A laptop being powered up for an hour wouldn't cause the car to not start. If they're stopped somewhere, like blocking an accident scene, with all their lights going, then yeah, I could see leaving the engine running, although if all the lights are LED now, maybe that changes things? Not sure about that.

I also wonder, do police vehicles come standard with two batteries like my diesel truck does? A second battery would certainly minimize the need to keep the car running nonstop, all day. The cost of an extra battery would surely be offset with the gasoline savings from not idling the engine all day, and that's before we consider the extra wear the car idling all day creates.

[Unsuspicious]

I can't imagine the computer and radio draw much power, which is why it irks me to see police just leave their cars running the whole day. I see cruisers parked with the police eating lunch, and yes, the cars are running. Seems wasteful. A laptop being powered up for an hour wouldn't cause the car to not start. If they're stopped somewhere, like blocking an accident scene, with all their lights going, then yeah, I could see leaving the engine running, although if all the lights are LED now, maybe that changes things? Not sure about that.

I also wonder, do police vehicles come standard with two batteries like my diesel truck does? A second battery would certainly minimize the need to keep the car running nonstop, all day. The cost of an extra battery would surely be offset with the gasoline savings from not idling the engine all day, and that's before we consider the extra wear the car idling all day creates.

It's cali, the cops are fat and the AC is always on

[Nox]

I can't imagine the computer and radio draw much power, which is why it irks me to see police just leave their cars running the whole day. I see cruisers parked with the police eating lunch, and yes, the cars are running. Seems wasteful. A laptop being powered up for an hour wouldn't cause the car to not start. If they're stopped somewhere, like blocking an accident scene, with all their lights going, then yeah, I could see leaving the engine running, although if all the lights are LED now, maybe that changes things? Not sure about that.

I also wonder, do police vehicles come standard with two batteries like my diesel truck does? A second battery would certainly minimize the need to keep the car running nonstop, all day. The cost of an extra battery would surely be offset with the gasoline savings from not idling the engine all day, and that's before we consider the extra wear the car idling all day creates.

A police Mobile Digital Computer (MDC) along with the digital in-car video (DICV) system draws a lot of power. If a police vehicle is shut down, the MDC will kill the battery in an hour or so. What’s worse is that the MDC will enter into a logoff sequence even before the battery dies. The problem here is that if the officer has to go on a hot run, he has no access to the MDC unless he does a manual log on which takes a few minutes. Immediate access to the MDC is vital to obtain radio call comments and updates. That is the primary reason that officers leave their cars running all the time.

The problem gets worse, the older a battery is, and in some cases, just having the overhead hazard lights on, along with the MDC and DICV will kill a battery in 15 minutes or so.

[Louie Detroit]

I’m waiting for the followup story in a year or two where all the remaining serviceable Teslas are sitting parked somewhere and replaced by ICE vehicles.

[Nox]

This actually makes a lot of sense. Not only will these cars consume almost no "fuel" while stopped, they're also faster than the ICE cruisers when it's time for "hot pursuit." :yesnod:




It should work for South Pasadena. Not so much for bigger cities. South Pasadena is only 3.4 square miles and it’s almost all a low-crime rate affluent residential area. They could just leave their cars plugged in and respond to their one radio call a week without any issues.

[Kevin68]

The EV's are a lot faster than the existing cop cars and can run with most exotic/sports cars.

...in a straight line

[dvarapala]

...in a straight line

Watch any police chase video on YouTube - the vast majority take place on freeways and city streets. No twistys, just straight-line acceleration.

[Bill]

It should work for South Pasadena. Not so much for bigger cities. South Pasadena is only 3.4 square miles and it’s almost all a low-crime rate affluent residential area. They could just leave their cars plugged in and respond to their one radio call a week without any issues.

It will be interesting to see how having cars that are constantly drawing power do with regard to battery longevity.

[Nox]

Watch any police chase video on YouTube - the vast majority take place on freeways and city streets. No twistys, just straight-line acceleration.

The bigger issue with most pursuits is not speed, but how to get the pursued vehicle to pull over. There are air units to track fast moving vehicles, and it’s pretty hard to outrun the radio, but even if officers are right behind the pursued vehicle, getting them to stop is another matter.

The Pursuit Intervention Technique (PIT) should not be utilized over 35 miles per hour because of dangerous loss of control issues, and stop stick tire deflation devices should not be used over 65 miles per hour and their effectiveness is minimized by runflat tires. Many agencies also prohibit ramming or boxing in due to vehicular damage and officer safety issues.

If you watch extended pursuits and wonder why they don’t force the violators off the road or take additional measures, the aforementioned reasons come into play. Police agencies are just one bad accident away from losing the ability to pursue to begin with. One bad accident where some bystander gets killed could spell the end of pursuits for the agency and possibly seriously impact an officer’s career. It’s for these reasons that agencies just follow behind a violator in most instances until they run out of gas or they try to bail. Notice that most PITs are done at relatively slow speeds… If you ever wonder why they don’t PIT on the freeway, it’s because the purpose of PIT is to force a vehicle off axis and disorient the driver and cause him to stop. It’s never been intended to force a vehicle off the road or seriously injure the suspect.

With all the lawsuits and the possibility of ending careers, it’s a wonder that the police chase anyone at all.

[Onebadcad]

The EV's are a lot faster than the existing cop cars and can run with most exotic/sports cars.

Someone PM ADog and tell him he has been hacked.

[GrandSportC3]

The average police car travels 100 to 130 miles in a day, making it perfect for EVs.
They never need to stop for gas and donuts.. That will also result in a police force in better physical shape as they won't get all those donuts when they stop for gas.

[6spdC6]

The average police car travels 100 to 130 miles in a day, making it perfect for EVs.
They never need to stop for gas and donuts.. That will also result in a police force in better physical shape as they won't get all those donuts when they stop for gas.

Still got to stop for a wiz or a dump. While there grab something to eat.

[DDSLT5]

Meh - don't care.

[jw38]

The average police car travels 100 to 130 miles in a day, making it perfect for EVs.
They never need to stop for gas and donuts.. That will also result in a police force in better physical shape as they won't get all those donuts when they stop for gas.

Or, they could stop for a quick Ozempic shot.

[KenHorse]

The average police car travels 100 to 130 miles in a day, making it perfect for EVs.
They never need to stop for gas and donuts.. That will also result in a police force in better physical shape as they won't get all those donuts when they stop for gas.

Right, they won't still stop for donuts because they don't need gas :rolleyes:

[MY03C5Z]

Sounds like a brilliant idea for a police car fleet. What could POSSIBLY go wrong…..

[BRUIZER]

Yes! Just what LE in Los Angeles county needs; more speed.


Watch the second officers body cam: :omg:

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[GrandSportC3]

Right, they won't still stop for donuts because they don't need gas :rolleyes:

not completely but when stopped for gas, it is tempting to get a donut. Virtually every gas station sells donuts.

[Mike Mercury]

The EV's are a lot faster than the existing cop cars and can run with most exotic/sports cars.

For several minutes at least. :Jeff '79:

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Police and Fire/EMS vehicles may sit for long periods of time during a stop/deployment... but the vehicles electrical systems are still being powered;

Radios
Computers
lights/strobes/beacons
HVAC

this "EV police car" thing is a joke being played on someone.

[dvarapala]

The average police car travels 100 to 130 miles in a day, making it perfect for EVs.
They never need to stop for gas and donuts.. That will also result in a police force in better physical shape as they won't get all those donuts when they stop for gas.

Actually, because recharging takes longer than pumping gas, they will have more time to consume doughnuts while their cruiser recharges.

The entire police force will look like Buford T. Justice. :yesnod:

[MY03C5Z]

Watch any police chase video on YouTube - the vast majority take place on freeways and city streets. No twistys, just straight-line acceleration.



I watch Cops/reality police shows often, and it ain’t all nice smooth highway chases. Appears to me that MANY chases involve off highway pursuits, very rough roads, having to hop curbs etc. I can only imagine how well the 1000+ lb gigantic battery pack is going to handle that sort of abuse…..





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[GrandSportC3]

Actually, because recharging takes longer than pumping gas, they will have more time to consume doughnuts while their cruiser recharges.

The entire police force will look like Buford T. Justice. :yesnod:

I can't talk about all police departments but around here, police cars are usually not shared between officers. They can plug it in when their shift ends and it will be charged when their next shift starts. Around here, many cops are allowed to take their cruisers home as well, so, they could charge at home as well.
They could be easily reimbursed for charging at their home.

[jw38]

I can't talk about all police departments but around here, police cars are usually not shared between officers. They can plug it in when their shift ends and it will be charged when their next shift starts. Around here, many cops are allowed to take their cruisers home as well, so, they could charge at home as well.
They could be easily reimbursed for charging at their home.

Hmmm...so how do they get reimbursed for the electricity?

[GrandSportC3]

Hmmm...so how do they get reimbursed for the electricity?

Actually pretty simple. Most home chargers have wifi connectivity and charging activity can be logged and printed and filed with other expense reimbursements. I would think that the department would install chargers at officer's homes as well. It could even be set up that usage reports could be automatically transmitted.

[Anjdog2003]

...in a straight line



Like the SUV's and cars they have now corner so well as it is. :Jeff '79: You know all the criminals are excellent Formula 1 drivers

[Lakota]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShEDzXNF_Q

[Kevin68]

...in a straight line

Watch any police chase video on YouTube - the vast majority take place on freeways and city streets. No twistys, just straight-line acceleration.

Like the SUV's and cars they have now corner so well as it is. :Jeff '79: You know all the criminals are excellent Formula 1 drivers

After all the smack talk of EV "performance" on here, why so serious?

You might give your sarcasm detector a quick check. :cert: