Would you be ok with .GOV tracking your location?

[GrandSportC3]

Let's say, .GOV will change taxations and shift road tax for ALL vehicles from gas tax to a mileage/weight based tax. Would you have a problem having a .GOV GPS tracking device in your car so that they can track your mileage or would you have a problem with that?

[dvarapala]

I'll send them my odometer reading. Problem solved. :thumbs:

[GrandSportC3]

I'll send them my odometer reading. Problem solved. :thumbs:

How good are you with photoshop? :D

[ratflinger]

I'll send them my odometer reading. Problem solved. :thumbs:


Yes, one mile.


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[CurtP]

Would you be ok with .GOV tracking your location?
You're already driving a car the government is tracking and uploading pictures of your surroundings and occupants on a regular basis to them. You're apparently ok with it.

[dvarapala]

How good are you with photoshop? :D

Even better, how will they know it's even my odometer? I could go down to Carmax, test drive a car, snap a picture of the odometer, and send it in. How will they know it's not an old photo (metadata is easy to edit)?

This pilot program is going to be very interesting to watch as fraudsters find all the loopholes. :D

[Vandelay Industries]

No.

Hell no.

**** NO!

[Onebadcad]

gov needs to spend MUCH MOAR resources on cutting spending vs. trying to increase revenues.

[GTOguy]

Let's say, .GOV will change taxations and shift road tax for ALL vehicles from gas tax to a mileage/weight based tax. Would you have a problem having a .GOV GPS tracking device in your car so that they can track your mileage or would you have a problem with that?

My newest car is 57 years old, so not in the game.

[GrandSportC3]

You're already driving a car the government is tracking and uploading pictures of your surroundings and occupants on a regular basis to them. You're apparently ok with it.

Government has no access to that data without due process, meaning a court order.

[GrandSportC3]

My newest car is 57 years old, so not in the game.

On old cars, you can just disconnect the speedo and your odometer will stop..
That's why such way of taxation would never work. Also, old cars don't have an OBD2 port to plug in anything.

I remember on my '68 Vette, all I needed to do is to reach behind the dash and unscrew the speedo cable.. Of course, you could unscrew it as the transmission as well..

[CurtP]

Government has no access to that data without due process, meaning a court order.
Keep telling yourself that :funnier: :funnier: :funnier:

[DJ_Critterus]

gov needs to spend MUCH MOAR resources on cutting spending vs. trying to increase revenues.

What? You mean use common sense? Is that even legal anymore?

[GrandSportC3]

Keep telling yourself that :funnier: :funnier: :funnier:

I'm 100% sure that Tesla won't share my location data with .gov without due process.

[Anjdog2003]

Yes, I trust .gov with my GPS data... 0
Yes, I don't trust them but I'm still ok with that... 0
No, I do not want to be tracked by .GOV... 8
PIE...1
stfu Koko...35

[CurtP]

I'm 100% sure that Tesla won't share my location data with .gov without due process.
:rofl:

[GrandSportC3]

:rofl:

Elon Musk is certainly not on good terms with the current government.

[Frankie the Fink]

Let's say, .GOV will change taxations and shift road tax for ALL vehicles from gas tax to a mileage/weight based tax. Would you have a problem having a .GOV GPS tracking device in your car so that they can track your mileage or would you have a problem with that?

To what end ? What rationale would support such monitoring, unless you're in CA where Newsome wants to tax you 30 cents a mile ?

[GrandSportC3]

To what end ? What rationale would support such monitoring, unless you're in CA where Newsome wants to tax you 30 cents a mile ?

Well, the argument behind it would be fair taxation that people are taxed based on the road wear they are causing. So, I'm generally not opposed to that approach but I'm in no way, shape or form in agreement to place a .GOV GPS device in my vehicle.

[MadInNc]

Sounds like an EV problem to me.

You took a EV item of contention and made it a global .GOV problem. Where did you train to become a Musk and Liberal poser?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7zJ05fy4OY/?igsh=MXJ4c2thNmNvZTF1Mw==

[GrandSportC3]

Sounds like an EV problem to me.

You took a EV item of contention and made it a global .GOV problem. Where did you train to become a Musk and Liberal poser?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7zJ05fy4OY/?igsh=MXJ4c2thNmNvZTF1Mw==

Well, if you tax different vehicles differently, there may be an issue.

A gas car pays less taxes the more efficient it is.
If you charge EV's but don't consider efficiency, you are taxing them on a different criteria which is not ok. They should stop the gas tax and tax ALL vehicles by the same criteria.

[roadpilot]

Let's say, .GOV will change taxations and shift road tax for ALL vehicles from gas tax to a mileage/weight based tax. Would you have a problem having a .GOV GPS tracking device in your car so that they can track your mileage or would you have a problem with that?

As a trucker I paid mileage/weight tax per state and a once a year tax
to the fed. I supported Social Securiy for years instead of road maintence.
As far as the OP question, my answer would be NO because the US
would send billions of dollars to Ukraine or another third world country
instead of maintaining the roads here in the US.

[Swany00]

They've been tracking you far longer than many realize and for the einstein who doesn't think their car tracks them, I have a bridge to sell you.

[GrandSportC3]

They've been tracking you far longer than many realize and for the einstein who doesn't think their car tracks them, I have a bridge to sell you.
Our phones track us, our cars track us (at least most late model cars) etc.
There is a difference between a private business doing it and .GOV doing it.

Even with a mobile phone (not smartphone), they can track you based on which tower your phone is connected to. All our online activity is also tracked by by businesses. We are listened to by our cell phones as well, even if the screen is off and in some cases, even if the phone is turned off.

[Onebadcad]

Our phones track us, our cars track us (at least most late model cars) etc.
There is a difference between a private business doing it and .GOV doing it.

Even with a mobile phone (not smartphone), they can track you based on which tower your phone is connected to. All our online activity is also tracked by by businesses. We are listened to by our cell phones as well, even if the screen is off and in some cases, even if the phone is turned off.

I would give top dollar for the cell phone discussions and the text messages between that corrupt, spineless judge and obese shit-for-brains DA with the white house and doj.
Those calls and messages would put many in prison for life.
Ditto for fatarse fani!!

[Aerovette]

Everything I do is tracked unless I'm taking a shit.

[PLRX]

Our government has been tracking us for decades. If you didn't know, you know it now, and if you don't believe me, you are one sorry, dulled sonofabitch.

Do you think OnStar, UConnect, Android, Apple, and Microsoft do not know where your car, smartphone, smartwatch, and computer are right now?

Who knows what HNT mining is?

[LATB]

DILLIGAF

[AUTOHOLIC]

Absolutely NOT.

[Frankie the Fink]

The gov't can prob track you right now, anywhere if they wanted if you have a smartphone. Geolocation was used to track down J6 participants, whether they did anything bad or not....but apparently its not sufficient to confirm voting fraud in the "2000 Mules" documentary according to ex-AG and current azzhat Bill Barr.

So weird how that works.

[SteveOceanside]

No. Gov is today the enemy of the people.

[Frankie the Fink]

Our government has been tracking us for decades. If you didn't know, you know it now, and if you don't believe me, you are one sorry, dulled sonofabitch.

Do you think OnStar, UConnect, Android, Apple, and Microsoft do not know where your car, smartphone, smartwatch, and computer are right now?

Who knows what HNT mining is?

Which is why I park my car at Walmart and leave my iPhone in it and physically walk a 1/4 mile to the "Adult Superstore" while wearing a "hoodie"..and pay in cash for purchases:)

[SteveOceanside]

^^^

Yep. No need to have the phone with you at all times (unless you're young and/or female).

And I'm driving a 2015 Focus, which I intend to keep lo-mileage & maybe see me out. I don't think it's got the trackin backin....:shrug:

What about modern motorciccles? :confused5:

[jw38]

Government has no access to that data without due process, meaning a court order.

I'm 100% sure that Tesla won't share my location data with .gov without due process.

Do you truly believe this? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Well, the argument behind it would be fair taxation that people are taxed based on the road wear they are causing. So, I'm generally not opposed to that approach but I'm in no way, shape or form in agreement to place a .GOV GPS device in my vehicle.

Great. Under this plan Tesla owners will be taxed more than ICE vehicles because they weigh significantly more and they cause more road damage.

[Mick]

I'll send them my odometer reading. Problem solved. :thumbs:

We have had this discussion before. If you live in a state with a vehicle inspection law, and all the government wants is to know how many miles you have driven in a given year, you don't need to send them anything, and they certainly don't need to install a tracking device. The first thing they do when I get to the inspection station is record my odometer reading.

[GrandSportC3]

Do you truly believe this? :rofl::rofl::rofl:



Great. Under this plan Tesla owners will be taxed more than ICE vehicles because they weigh significantly more and they cause more road damage.

100%

The weight thing isn't 100% true.. A Durango Hellcat is heavier than a Model X Plaid with similar interior and cargo space.

[GrandSportC3]

We have had this discussion before. If you live in a state with a vehicle inspection law, and all the government wants is to know how many miles you have driven in a given year, you don't need to send them anything, and they certainly don't need to install a tracking device. The first thing they do when I get to the inspection station is record my odometer reading.

My state hasn't had vehicle inspections since 1998.

[dvarapala]

We have had this discussion before. If you live in a state with a vehicle inspection law, and all the government wants is to know how many miles you have driven in a given year, you don't need to send them anything, and they certainly don't need to install a tracking device. The first thing they do when I get to the inspection station is record my odometer reading.

While you are correct, I was referring specifically to the California pilot program I quoted earler. At least initially they are asking for participants to send in a photo of their odometer once a month. I suspect that this approach will be so problematic that they will either drop that option entirely or revert to the annual method that you suggest.

[Big bob]

Everyone is being tracked many ways and you're paying for some of it with your monthly cell phone bill.

[Vette40th]

They already do if you have a phone, Prove me wrong.

[theandies]

What a stupid ****ing question but I guess it's normal seeing the source.
**** NO, **** THE GOVERMENT.
I'll sell all my cars and just drive my 1971 Vette everyday.
Oh, did I mention
**** THE GOVERNMENT.

[Tikiman]

We have had this discussion before. If you live in a state with a vehicle inspection law, and all the government wants is to know how many miles you have driven in a given year, you don't need to send them anything, and they certainly don't need to install a tracking device. The first thing they do when I get to the inspection station is record my odometer reading.

Same here. I drove my daily driver approximately 2,900 miles last year.

[Mick]

While you are correct, I was referring specifically to the California pilot program I quoted earler. At least initially they are asking for participants to send in a photo of their odometer once a month. I suspect that this approach will be so problematic that they will either drop that option entirely or revert to the annual method that you suggest.

You quoted where? I was responding to your post #2 in this thread. No program was quoted there, nor do I see any program quoted by you in any subsequent posts. :island14:

[Mick]

What a stupid ****ing question but I guess it's normal seeing the source.
**** NO, **** THE GOVERMENT.
I'll sell all my cars and just drive my 1971 Vette everyday.
Oh, did I mention
**** THE GOVERNMENT.

I leave my cell phone at home most times that I am off the property. Unless I am going somewhere far away, or will be gone for a long time such that my wife might want to know where I am, it sits on the kitchen counter. My DD is a 2018 Explorer, and I know it has at least the capability of connecting to the internet, although I have never activated it. I don't know if the .gov can track it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they can.

When I am out in my '70 vette, I bring the phone, but turn it off. The .gov can't "track" a phone that is powered down. Some folks have tried to tell me that they can "find" a phone that is powered down (very different than tracking it), but I have presented evidence that this isn't true, and refutations by those who disagree have been ineffective.

Sometimes I run long distances from my house, with no phone with me. Unless .gov has implanted a chip in my brain while I was sleeping, I'm pretty sure they can't track me. :yesnod:

[dvarapala]

You quoted where?

In the thread that inspired this poll.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Keep telling yourself that :funnier: :funnier: :funnier:

Elon Musk is certainly not on good terms with the current government.

Olivier is right. I’m neutral on EVs: if you want one, fine. If you don’t… Don’t buy one. But I am a fan of the free speech approach that Elon takes, which has put him in the cross hairs of the .gov. He is not in agreement with the current administration and has been very vocal about it. Progressives hate him.

The smartphone you carry is more likely to betray you than his Tesla.

[Vette40th]

Elon is the most successful African American ever in the USA. He is almost pritected..

[Frankie the Fink]

BTW, if you have one of those State Farm or Progressive "beacons" on your windshield, your location is already being tracked as well as the route traveled, acceleration, braking, phone distraction, etc..

[GrandSportC3]

BTW, if you have one of those State Farm or Progressive "beacons" on your windshield, your location is already being tracked as well as the route traveled, acceleration, braking, phone distraction, etc..

Luckily, those are voluntary. I have State Farm and I chose not to use it.

My premiums would be pretty high if they track me going over 140 mph down the drag strip :lol:

[Vette40th]

I may get one and put it on my C4. Virtually zero miles a year.

[dvarapala]

The smartphone you carry is more likely to betray you than his Tesla.

I agree that Elon is unlikely to share your data voluntarily. However, if required to do so by law, he would have no choice. And that is precisely what is being proposed to support a mileage-based road tax.

[LATB]

Olivier is right. I’m neutral on EVs: if you want one, fine. If you don’t… Don’t buy one. But I am a fan of the free speech approach that Elon takes, which has put him in the cross hairs of the .gov. He is not in agreement with the current administration and has been very vocal about it. Progressives hate him.

The smartphone you carry is more likely to betray you than his Tesla.

I’m not a fan of EV’s but I think Musk is a cool customer.

[Vette40th]

We did this to ourselves. We let leaders and tech companies invade our privacy

[Mick]

In the thread that inspired this poll.

Which one is that? :island14:

You seem to be like the "Marvel" movies. You have to have seen 10 other movies recently to have any clue of what is going on in the current one. I hate that, and don't bother to watch their movies as a result.

[dvarapala]

While you are correct, I was referring specifically to the California pilot program I quoted earler. At least initially they are asking for participants to send in a photo of their odometer once a month. I suspect that this approach will be so problematic that they will either drop that option entirely or revert to the annual method that you suggest.

You quoted where? I was responding to your post #2 in this thread. No program was quoted there, nor do I see any program quoted by you in any subsequent posts. :island14:

In the thread that inspired this poll.

Which one is that? :island14:

You seem to be like the "Marvel" movies. You have to have seen 10 other movies recently to have any clue of what is going on in the current one. I hate that, and don't bother to watch their movies as a result.

WUEoYVcN0R8

[ZipZap]

Government has no access to that data without due process, meaning a court order.

Lolz...

Read up on FISA and then get back to us.

[Vette40th]

Yeah, a few months ago theu showed sirius Xm Had a back door to all your phone data from their car app.
Strangely, Dod and a few others already knew it

[GrandSportC3]

Lolz...

Read up on FISA and then get back to us.
FISA is not related to anything domestic. It is about foreign intelligence and citizens connected to or suspected connection to them.

[Vette40th]

FISA is not related to anything domestic. It is about foreign intelligence and citizens connected to or suspected connection to them.

Umm, ask Trump. FISA was used to.spy in him.

[GrandSportC3]

Umm, ask Trump. FISA was used to.spy in him.

Yes, because of the fake Russia claims. There was a connection to a foreign nation. It just turned out that it was all based on a fake dossier.

[Vette40th]

Precisely. The gov will do whatever it takes to snoop on you.
NSA, Patriot Act,

[GrandSportC3]

Precisely. The gov will do whatever it takes to snoop on you.
NSA, Patriot Act,

Only if there is some kind of foreign connection.

[Vette40th]

And the US Gov would never make one up.
And fyi, patriot act allows NSA to listen to you 25/7. Ever use a vpn. Most vpn servers are foreign.
Keep thinking they are here for you and have morals.

[PLRX]

Which is why I park my car at Walmart and leave my iPhone in it and physically walk a 1/4 mile to the "Adult Superstore" while wearing a "hoodie"..and pay in cash for purchases:)

That works, but the CCTV camera at the porn shop is connected to a network.

If you are renting child porn, I recommend this to fool the government's face recognition program.:funniest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3mzi1xoIk&ab_channel=CityPrepping

[Mick]

WUEoYVcN0R8

So small and blurry I couldn't read the screen, but it looks like you are doing a search. No, a search isn't hard, although I don't know what I would search for, but more importantly, I don't want to spend my time that way. Especially this time of year, I want to spend as much time as I can outside. I check the computer a few times a day for work, and maybe read a few threads and make a few posts. I don't spend hours per day at the computer, so I don't have the time to go searching for something someone posted in another thread and are too lazy to include the link in their post. :shrug:

[ZipZap]

FISA is not related to anything domestic. It is about foreign intelligence and citizens connected to or suspected connection to them.

You missed this?


"FBI officials repeatedly violated their own standards when they searched a vast repository of foreign intelligence for information related to the January 6 insurrection and racial justice protests in 2020, according court order released Friday."

They were using more NVidia gear than any other customer in the world last summer to attack the J6 folks, campaign contributors, etc. The Senate is almost certain to extend Sect 702 BS.

[Mick]

That works, but the CCTV camera at the porn shop is connected to a network.

If you are renting child porn, I recommend this to fool the government's face recognition program.:funniest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3mzi1xoIk&ab_channel=CityPrepping

I just take a piece of scotch tape, stick it to the end of my nose, pull upward, and stick the other end to my forehead, giving me a "pig nose". Works like a charm!

[PLRX]

I just take a piece of scotch tape, stick it to the end of my nose, pull upward, and stick the other end to my forehead, giving me a "pig nose". Works like a charm!

:thumbs:

I underestimated you; you are on top of your game, buddy.

[Mick]

Only if there is some kind of foreign connection.

You REALLY need to read up on the Patriot Act. :yesnod:

[dvarapala]

So small and blurry I couldn't read the screen, but it looks like you are doing a search. No, a search isn't hard, although I don't know what I would search for, but more importantly, I don't want to spend my time that way. Especially this time of year, I want to spend as much time as I can outside.

Ironically it took you longer to compose that post than it would have taken you to just do the search. :lol:

[GrandSportC3]

You REALLY need to read up on the Patriot Act. :yesnod:

Does it give them the authority to get your tracking data if there is no foreign connection? If so, where in the Patriot is that found?

[dvarapala]

Does it give them the authority to get your tracking data if there is no foreign connection? If so, where in the Patriot is that found?

>>> Does it give the government the authority to get your tracking data if there is no foreign connection?

Under the Patriot Act, the government can obtain a person's tracking data even in the absence of any foreign connection, as long as obtaining that information is deemed relevant and timely in relation to an ongoing investigation
into terrorist activity. This power, however, is granted on the condition that it must be used within the guidelines set by the act and must not violate other existing laws or the Constitution's protection of privacy rights.

[ZipZap]

>>> Does it give the government the authority to get your tracking data if there is no foreign connection?

Under the Patriot Act, the government can obtain a person's tracking data even in the absence of any foreign connection, as long as obtaining that information is deemed relevant and timely in relation to an ongoing investigation
into terrorist activity. This power, however, is granted on the condition that it must be used within the guidelines set by the act and must not violate other existing laws or the Constitution's protection of privacy rights.

This where it gets cloudy and they knowingly worked around the system in place. The FBI and IC were vacuuming collected foreign intelligence on American Citizens, using huge search banks built as a result post-9/11 budgets, using GPU technology development that was largely funded by the IC, to attack said Citizens. No connection to any identified or ongoing foreign threat at all. Some kangaroo FISA court ok'd all of this.

[Mick]

Does it give them the authority to get your tracking data if there is no foreign connection? If so, where in the Patriot is that found?

You really need to read about it. For the average person, no, it doesn't give them the authority to track your vehicle, but it does give them authority to investigate how many and what types of financial accounts you have, and the nature of every financial transaction you enter into. It also authorizes your bank to do the same thing.

The comments above that I was responding to were not specific to where and when you drive, more about warrantless searches which should be unconstitutional.