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Anjdog2003
03-20-2024, 12:47pm
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration announced new automobile emissions standards Wednesday that officials called the most ambitious plan ever to cut planet-warming emissions from passenger vehicles.

The new rules relax initial tailpipe limits proposed last year but eventually get close to the same strict standards set out by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The rules come as sales of electric vehicles, which are needed to meet the standards, have begun to slow. The auto industry cited lower sales growth in objecting to the EPA’s preferred standards unveiled last April as part of its ambitious plan to cut planet-warming emissions from passenger vehicles.

The EPA said that under its final rule, the industry could meet the limits if 56% of new vehicle sales are electric by 2032, along with at least 13% plug-in hybrids or other partially electric cars, as well as more efficient gasoline-powered cars that get more miles to the gallon.

That would be a huge increase over current EV sales, which rose to 7.6% of new vehicle sales last year, up from 5.8% in 2022.

The new standards will avoid more than 7 billion tons of planet-warming carbon emissions over the next three decades and provide nearly $100 billion in annual net benefits, the EPA said, including lower health care costs, fewer deaths and more than $60 billion in reduced annual costs for fuel, maintenance and repairs.

WHAT IS EPA PROPOSING?

The EPA rule applies to model years 2027 to 2032 and will significantly reduce emissions of planet-warming greenhouse gases, as well as other air pollution such as nitrogen oxides and particulate matter from new passenger cars, light trucks and pickups. The rule will help “tackle the climate crisis” and result in widespread reductions in air pollution while accelerating the adoption of cleaner vehicle technologies, the EPA said. The agency is finalizing the rule as sales of clean vehicles, including plug-in hybrid and fully electric vehicles, hit record highs last year.

The new rule slows implementation of stricter pollution standards from 2027 through 2029, after the auto industry called proposed benchmarks unworkable. The rule ramps up to nearly reach the level the EPA preferred by 2032.

“Let me be clear: Our final rule delivers the same, if not more, pollution reduction than we set out in our proposal,'' EPA Administrator Michael Regan told reporters. In addition to carbon pollution, the final standards also will reduce other serious air pollution that contributes to heart attacks, respiratory illnesses, aggravated asthma and decreased lung function, Regan said.

“Folks, these new standards are so important for public health, for American jobs, for our economy and for our planet,'' he said.

The standards are designed to be technology-neutral and performance-based, Regan said, giving car and truck manufacturers the flexibility to choose pollution-control technologies that are best suited for their customers while meeting environmental and public health goals.

WHY DID EPA CHANGE THE PROPOSED RULE?

The changes appear aimed at addressing strong industry and labor opposition to the accelerated ramp-up of EVs, along with public reluctance to fully embrace the new technology. There is also a legitimate threat of legal challenges before conservative courts.

The Supreme Court, with a 6-3 conservative majority, has increasingly reined in the powers of federal agencies, including the EPA, in recent years. The justices have restricted the EPA’s authority to fight air and water pollution — including a landmark 2022 ruling that limited the EPA’s authority to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants that contribute to global warming.



President Joe Biden has made fighting climate change a hallmark of his presidency. :spdchk:


and is seeking to slash carbon dioxide emissions from gasoline-powered vehicles, which make up the largest single source of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions.

At the same time, the Democratic president needs cooperation from the auto industry and political support from auto workers, a key political voting bloc. The United Auto Workers union, which has endorsed Biden, has said it favors the transition to electric vehicles but wants to make sure jobs are preserved and that the industry pays top wages to workers who build the EVs and batteries.

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Tuesday that White House officials “don’t have any concerns” about the final EPA rule. Implementing the new standard “takes time, but we’re still going to stay committed to our (climate) goals,” she said.

HOW ARE THE NEW RULES BEING RECEIVED?

Generally, environmental groups have been optimistic about the new EPA plan, which is aimed at slashing emissions from a source that causes one-fifth of the nation’s carbon pollution.

David Cooke, senior vehicles analyst for the Union of Concerned Scientists, said the rule would significantly reduce vehicle pollution from current requirements. But the standards are weaker than those EPA proposed a year ago and make it unlikely that the U.S. will be able to meet its commitments from the 2015 Paris Climate Accord, which aimed to keep global warming from increasing more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) since pre-industrial times, he said.

Still, the new rules over time will prevent more carbon pollution “than the entire U.S. economy coughs up in a year,″ said Manish Bapna, president of the Natural Resources Defense Council. In the short term, the rules “will save drivers money at the pump and cut tailpipe pollution that endangers public health,″ he added.

“In the longer journey to confront the climate crisis, these standards take us in the right direction,″ he said.

“This is a day to celebrate American achievement,″ said Amanda Leland, executive director of the Environmental Defense Fund, another environmental group. The new EPA rule “will slash climate pollution and air pollution'' and "bring more savings for consumers and a healthier future for our children,'' she said.

But Dan Becker at the Center for Biological Diversity, said he fears loopholes will let the industry continue to sell gas burners. He also is afraid the industry will get away with doing little during the first three years of the standards, which could be undone if former President Donald Trump is reelected.

“The bottom line is that the administration is caving to pressure from big oil, big auto and the dealers to stall progress on EVs and now allow more pollution from cars,” Becker said.




WHAT DO REPUBLICANS SAY?

Republicans criticized the new standards, saying they essentially decide for the public which vehicles they should buy. “These regulations represent yet another step toward an unrealistic transition to electric vehicles that Americans do not want and cannot afford,” said West Virginia Sen. Shelley Moore Capito.

She and other Republicans and even some in the auto industry have called the rule an EV mandate, but Regan and White House officials pushed back on that.

“You know, maybe some would like for it to be an EV mandate, but that clearly is not the case, when you look at the multiple pathways companies can choose to comply″ with the rule, Regan said. “We are staying well within the confines of the law and our statutory authority by not mandating a specific technology.″

The EPA could achieve its carbon pollution goals even if sales of battery electric vehicles are as low as 30% in 2032, as long as other standards are met, he said.

U.S. electric vehicle sales grew 47% last year to a record 1.19 million as EV market share rose to 7.6%. But EV sales growth slowed toward the end of the year. In December, they rose 34%.

WHAT DOES THE CAR INDUSTRY THINK?

The Alliance for Auto Innovation, a large industry trade group, praised the EPA’s slower implementation of the standards, saying the pace of the EV transition matters as the industry moves to produce more electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids to convert more traveling miles to electricity. The group had complained that the ramp-up to 67% initially proposed by the EPA was too fast for the industry to achieve. The proposal was faster than Biden’s goal of ensuring that EVs account for half of new vehicles in the U.S. by 2030.

“Moderating the pace of EV adoption was the right call because it prioritizes more reasonable electrification targets in the next few, very critical years of the transition,” said John Bozzella, the Alliance CEO.

The adjusted emissions targets will still be a stretch for the industry to achieve, Bozzella said, but they should give the market and parts supply chains a chance to catch up to higher EV sales. The plan also gives the industry more time to set up public charging stations, and it allows government tax incentives for EV manufacturing and for consumers to buy EVs to take hold, he said.

Toyota, the top seller of hybrid vehicles in the U.S., said it believes the fastest way to reduce carbon emissions quickly is to give consumers choices of battery electric vehicles and hybrids. The new EPA standards allow for more sales of plug-in hybrids and regular gas-electric hybrids to meet emissions limits.








cliffs: We have an Idiot in the White House

04 commemorative
03-20-2024, 12:49pm
Oyyyyy......to long

BRUIZER
03-20-2024, 12:58pm
All our earlier vehicles are in good shape.
Don't have to purchase a new vehicle ever again if no desire.
FJB and all his commie supporters.

Steve_R
03-20-2024, 1:01pm
Oyyyyy......to long

*too

Let me help:


cliffs: We have an Idiot in the White House

:seasix:

Tikiman
03-20-2024, 1:03pm
We have a crooked, compromised, dementia-ridden, child-sniffing, pedophile traitor in the White House.

04 commemorative
03-20-2024, 1:04pm
*too

Let me help:



:seasix:

Thank you :joebuck:

Don Rickles
03-20-2024, 1:11pm
No shit. You been livin under a rock, if you didn't already know this.....

Bruze
03-20-2024, 1:16pm
Biden and the Democrats are not idiots, they are evil tyrants. We need to understand the difference.

This is all being done to restrict our freedom to travel, which all totalitarian governments strive to do. We've taken that liberty, among most of the others, for granted.

It's all in-your-face brazen lies, and they don't care what you think about it or them.

"It's not hypocrisy, it's hierarchy." - Christina Pushaw on Twitter, February 6, 2022.

TheHammer
03-20-2024, 1:19pm
Trump gets in, reverse the regulation.

LATB
03-20-2024, 1:25pm
It’s all Obama and his efforts to fundamentally transform America.
FJB is just a brainless puppet.

GTOguy
03-20-2024, 1:46pm
All our earlier vehicles are in good shape.
Don't have to purchase a new vehicle ever again if no desire.
FJB and all his commie supporters.

Same here. 7 running vehicles in good shape pre-1983. One 'new' '05 Tundra. That's it. Points and condensers FTW!

Frankie the Fink
03-20-2024, 1:51pm
Government under the current regime wants to weigh in on every aspect of everyday life. They think they can control emissions when they can't even control the border.

The_Dude
03-20-2024, 2:38pm
I got as far as "The Biden administration announced"

dvarapala
03-20-2024, 2:40pm
Trump gets in, reverse the regulation.

^ this

Plus all of the other bullshit that Biden did.

sublime1996525
03-20-2024, 2:42pm
Yes we do.

Anjdog2003
03-20-2024, 2:42pm
I got as far as "The Biden administration announced" and then i took a nap. I need my naps during the day. :yesnod:










tahnks

LATB
03-20-2024, 2:43pm
Government under the current regime wants to weigh in on every aspect of everyday life. They think they can control emissions when they can't even control the border.

They have total control of the border. They are making a conscious decision to control the welcome sign and leaving the gate open.

LATB
03-20-2024, 2:47pm
Trump gets in, reverse the regulation.

I agree.
But the problem is the next democrat will reverse back. It needs to be done through legislation so it’s law not EO.
Unfortunately too many republicans are swamp creatures and will actually work to keep Trump from seeing his agenda become law.
They literally squandered the 1st two years of Trump’s term.

Aerovette
03-20-2024, 3:10pm
All these dumb-ass, climate Kool-Aid drinking, shit-balls that think they are god and can control the climate with legislature.

Onebadcad
03-20-2024, 3:12pm
Are there any aholes in here who voted for that dumb**** POS??

Aerovette
03-20-2024, 3:13pm
Are there any aholes in here who voted for that dumb**** POS??

There most certainly are.

They are not my tribe.

Anjdog2003
03-20-2024, 3:16pm
Are there any aholes in here who voted for that dumb**** POS??



Slewfoot, TheRealBadger, Taurus. We didn't.

LATB
03-20-2024, 3:17pm
Are there any aholes in here who voted for that dumb**** POS??

Slewfoot is a straight up liberal idiot who voted for FJB and will again no doubt.
Taurus claims to be a conservative but he “protest voted” for FJB in 2020.
There are a few others who say that they won’t vote for Trump because TDS.

jw38
03-20-2024, 4:15pm
**** JOE BIDEN!

DAB
03-20-2024, 4:38pm
well, Mr. President, when exactly will your fleet, your limo, your support vehicles, and even your personal cars all be electric?

Aerovette
03-20-2024, 4:47pm
well, Mr. President, when exactly will your fleet, your limo, your support vehicles, and even your personal cars all be electric?

48 hours after John Kerry and Taylor Swift fly commercial.

04 commemorative
03-20-2024, 4:50pm
well, Mr. President, when exactly will your fleet, your limo, your support vehicles, and even your personal cars all be electric?

And Air Force One :balls:

DAB
03-20-2024, 5:14pm
And Air Force One :balls:

pfft, let Joe take his beloved train, same as Truman used to do.

SurfnSun
03-20-2024, 6:21pm
There’s a lot more than one.

Swany00
03-20-2024, 6:24pm
chinese will own nearly 85% of the entire battery market too, once we finally get energy independent this ****tard comes along and screws everything up. I hope he dies of horrible ass cancer

Tikiman
03-20-2024, 8:20pm
Slewfoot is a straight up liberal idiot who voted for FJB and will again no doubt.
Taurus claims to be a conservative but he “protest voted” for FJB in 2020.
There are a few others who say that they won’t vote for Trump because TDS.


It's a shame that there isn't a pill for "stupid".

slewfoot
03-20-2024, 8:34pm
Are there any aholes in here who voted for that dumb**** POS??

Great question!

Slewfoot, TheRealBadger, Taurus. We didn't.

Slewfoot is a straight up liberal idiot who voted for FJB and will again no doubt.
Taurus claims to be a conservative but he “protest voted” for FJB in 2020.
There are a few others who say that they won’t vote for Trump because TDS.

I guess this pretty much answers that

Wulverine
03-20-2024, 8:54pm
Are there any aholes in here who voted for that dumb**** POS??

Yes and they are respected members here. :sleep:


The huffing and puffing most do here is comical. :Jeff '79:

Anjdog2003
03-20-2024, 8:59pm
There’s a lot more than one.



But one is running the country blind folded

SurfnSun
03-20-2024, 10:08pm
But one is running the country blind folded

I’m convinced the guy who is actually running the country isn’t in office right now. He’s just giving commands to the potato.

Taurus
03-21-2024, 12:01am
Yes and they are respected members here. :sleep:


The huffing and puffing most do here is comical. :Jeff '79:

Maybe more tolerated than respected. :D

Question is, why do you care? Are you questioning how committed these guys are to what they say they believe? No matter what else I have experienced here I have never questioned their belief in what they say. Why are you questioning it? If it’s so comical you can always go elsewhere.

Over/under is 3

ZipZap
03-21-2024, 12:42am
I’m convinced the guy who is actually running the country isn’t in office right now. He’s just giving commands to the potato.

.

SteveOceanside
03-21-2024, 6:46am
New movie out about "Net Zero" bullshit,

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/03/21/watch-the-game-changing-new-film-that-explodes-climate-change-and-net-zero-lies/

The embedded film may not work, but Rumble has it:

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ptindall
03-21-2024, 8:08am
The new standards will avoid more than 7 billion tons of planet-warming carbon emissions over the next three decades and provide nearly $100 billion in annual net benefits, the EPA said, including lower health care costs, fewer deaths and more than $60 billion in reduced annual costs for fuel, maintenance and repairs.

Stopped reading after this collection of lies.

RedLS1GTO
03-21-2024, 8:33am
Just think about the benefit to (fast food) restaurant owners with all of the hot meals they'll be able to serve. :yesnod:

ptindall
03-21-2024, 9:19am
Just think about the benefit to (fast food) restaurant owners with all of the hot meals they'll be able to serve. :yesnod:

Rows of electric cars charging while robots make Big Macs for purple haired, childless, fat people to purchase from vending machines. I can see the AI generated picture of the future now. What a future. Such progress.

WydGlydJim
03-21-2024, 10:47am
We have a crooked, compromised, dementia-ridden, child-sniffing, pedophile traitor in the White House.

QFT

Onebadcad
03-21-2024, 11:02am
The idiot stepped up his game yesterday, he forgave ANOTHER $6B in stuloans--DUMB ****, THE DEBT IS NOT BEING FORGIVEN, IT IS BEING SHIFTED TO THE TAXPAYERS.
Of course this was a special segmented group, mostly municipal workers including teachers.
So in a nutshell, he gets money to his voting core ILLEGALLY, and you and I foot the bill.

Aerovette
03-21-2024, 11:04am
The official position taken by this entire administration is very easily summarized...

"Yeah, what are you gonna do about it?"