View Full Version : We Remember: 31st Anniversary of the Mass Murder in Waco
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Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. Experience has taught us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession, and when the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
~George Washington
I'm not going to defend the government actions here, however, I remain unconvinced that Koresh didn't start the fire himself.
ZipZap
02-29-2024, 11:26am
Look, Koresh was an asshole. Defending pedo's and abusers is not my thing. Had no issue with him being toast.
FBI caused the deaths of innocent people. Again. Some SES1 asswipe decided this was his day and let loose. I've never read about who made the decision to roll in the tanks, but it was some bureaucrat.
GTOguy
02-29-2024, 11:28am
Koresh was evil. That said, I watched the whole video years ago and the police/FBI fired the first shots. And caused the shitstorm that followed.
Onebadcad
02-29-2024, 11:29am
koresh was an ahole that deserved MOAR than death!!
However, the socialist gov at the time was grossly incompetent, in all areas.
The timing, tactics and management were utterly poor, NO CHILDREN SHOULD HAVE DIED!!
Rodnok1
02-29-2024, 11:35am
Alot of things went wrong and alot of people were responsible for that.
Onebadcad
02-29-2024, 11:38am
Alot of things went wrong and alot of people were responsible for that.
And ZERO were held accountable.
https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/obit-janet-reno_wong.jpg
WydGlydJim
02-29-2024, 11:55am
yeah Koresh was an asshole, but this dipshit DEI, Lesbo, Identity Hire was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out over her skis, and should have NEVER been in charge of that situation that she totally botched! Then just like the rest of these old fossils in politics, she hung around waaaaaaaay too long after her health rendered her feckless.........
:cuss:
ZipZap
02-29-2024, 12:05pm
yeah Koresh was an asshole, but this dipshit DEI, Lesbo, Identity Hire was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out over her skis, and should have NEVER been in charge of that situation that she totally botched! Then just like the rest of these old fossils in politics, she hung around waaaaaaaay too long after her health rendered her feckless.........
:cuss:
Good Lord that sounds familiar!:rofl:
ZipZap
02-29-2024, 12:08pm
And ZERO were held accountable.
https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/obit-janet-reno_wong.jpg
Did she make the final call? Never heard if it was entirely planned to roll in, or f'ed up somewhat by the "fog of war" that they themselves created. We will never hear that.
Onebadcad
02-29-2024, 12:12pm
Did she make the final call? Never heard if it was entirely planned to roll in, or f'ed up somewhat by the "fog of war" that they themselves created. We will never hear that.
Not sure, but she understood the blame was on her:
https://time.com/4560375/attorney-general-janet-reno-death/
Shortly after she was sworn into the role of Attorney General, Reno became embroiled in controversy over the deadly raid she ordered following a standoff between the Branch Davidians, a religious sect, and federal agents at the sect’s compound near Waco, Texas.
The standoff, which began on Feb. 28 1993, before Reno became Attorney General, was sparked when U.S. agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms made a surprise raid on the compound, trying to execute a search warrant. Gunfire erupted during the raid, and four agents and six members of the religious sect perished.
That led to a 51-day standoff, which ended on April 19 1993, when Reno approved a raid on the compound using tear gas. During the raid, a fire broke out and the complex burned to the ground, killing around 80 people including the sect’s American leader, David Koresh. Later that day, Reno took full blame of the incident, telling television cameras “I’m accountable. The buck stops with me.”
Aerovette
02-29-2024, 12:13pm
This incident, or a Ruby Ridge incident, is in our near future.
The more this administration fks with people the more likely someone will get fed up and step up. A very loud, clear message will be sent.
It's coming.
69camfrk
02-29-2024, 1:01pm
Look, Koresh was an asshole. Defending pedo's and abusers is not my thing. Had no issue with him being toast.
FBI caused the deaths of innocent people. Again. Some SES1 asswipe decided this was his day and let loose. I've never read about who made the decision to roll in the tanks, but it was some bureaucrat.
They literally could have arrested Koresh at the auto parts store. This was mass murder.
They literally could have arrested Koresh at the auto parts store. This was mass murder.
Just little details that hardly get mentioned by the fair and balanced MSM!
Onebadcad
02-29-2024, 1:19pm
koresh was a psychopath, unstable, fraud, opportunist with a thirst for fame that included an end of martyrdom.
The us gov facilitated the means for him to fulfill his goal, they were TOO STUPID to recognize this and back off.
The siege was 51 days, no one in the gov in this period was wise enough to figure his endgame.
4 ATF agents also perished due to incompetent leadership,
Aerovette
02-29-2024, 1:22pm
Just my opinion...
The FBI was getting restless and needed something to happen
They were also cocky and very poorly evaluated the situation, which resulted in agents getting killed
They had to have an overkill response to send a message that killing agents will be met with extreme force
Anjdog2003
02-29-2024, 2:24pm
Where was President Trump all this time?
Onebadcad
02-29-2024, 2:24pm
Just my opinion...
The FBI was getting restless and needed something to happen
They were also cocky and very poorly evaluated the situation, which resulted in agents getting killed
They had to have an overkill response to send a message that killing agents will be met with extreme force
51 days of amateurs running the show is the first, and biggest, problem.
This incident, or a Ruby Ridge incident, is in our near future.
The more this administration fks with people the more likely someone will get fed up and step up. A very loud, clear message will be sent.
It's coming.
That unarmed veteran 26 year-old white female stood up at the Capitol and was murdered by that armed black guy. With zero consequences.
Torqaholic
02-29-2024, 4:09pm
They literally could have arrested Koresh at the auto parts store. This was mass murder.
It needed to be a spectacle to justify the demonization klinton had done to gun owners. The government mindset had become such that being seen carrying a gun to the trunk of your car could get you arrested for an investigation.
Everyone saying he was a pedo.....note that was an accusation made as an afterthought by the government. Almost like they just made that shit up out of thin air to try and demonize the guy.
Do I think their commune was a little weird? I do, but even the local farmers that lived near them said the people were polite and didn't cause any trouble. They should have been free to practice their religion as they saw fit.
After everything we've seen the last 8 years, do any of you really trust your government not to lie to you? They lie as easy as breathing. Russia collusion, Wu flu injections, right on up to the present. "OMG, it's Trump's fault we had a really good immigration bill and he had it killed. All the news stations are going with that. No. Read it. It's a shit bill that does nothing but provide more money to bring in even MOAR illegals.
Yet your government tells you this was the greatest thing again, and that none of this is the result of Brandon reversing literally ALL of Trump's successful polices. They just ****ing lie about everything. I don't believe Koresh was a pedo. They were supposedly looking for guns, and rather than just knock on the door of these nice, polite people, they rolled in in a cattle trailer, guns blazing, and they got their asses handed to them. Good. **** them. Of course, they were going to get their body count, and they did. :mad:
I don’t trust anyone including and especially the government.
They literally could have arrested Koresh at the auto parts store. This was mass murder.
Arrest warrant is different from a Search warrant.
Arrest warrant is different from a Search warrant.
What were they searching for?
What were they searching for?
ATF - my guess is illegal alcohol/tobacco/firearms . . .
I remember watching a very extensive documentary, about a year ago, on WACO which showed that when FBI assumed jurisdiction the shit-show began.
An excellent read -
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/25/1151283229/waco-branch-davidian-david-koresh-jeff-guinn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlN0kYoPHIU
These people waited, and held out, hoping for a rescue that never came. The people of Texas should have risen up to save them, a la the Bundy Ranch standoff. But no help came, and our government immolated men, women and kids.
Torqaholic
02-29-2024, 8:13pm
What were they searching for?
He was suspected to be in possession of an unregistered automatic rifle (aka machine gun).
The sudden revelation that he was a child molester popped up out of thin air > a month after the siege began when the public started making noise about what was happening. The person who invented that was the United States Attorney General. She acted as if she witnessed it herself and after that it completely switched from being a gun thing to a child welfare thing... And then they killed all the kids to rescue them :sadangel:
slewfoot
02-29-2024, 8:15pm
When shit happens, set yourselves ablaze!
ATF - my guess is illegal alcohol/tobacco/firearms . . .
So the government murdered children because of moonshine, cigarettes, and guns. Got it.
Eff the US government.
This incident, or a Ruby Ridge incident, is in our near future.
The more this administration fks with people the more likely someone will get fed up and step up. A very loud, clear message will be sent.
It's coming.
This -
https://www.amazon.com/Ruby-Ridge-Tragedy-Weaver-Family/dp/006000794X/ref=pd_sbs_d_sccl_3_3/135-0811685-5717318?pd_rd_w=SlvbB&content-id=amzn1.sym.89676150-e513-422e-84a9-9c8b85f32b61&pf_rd_p=89676150-e513-422e-84a9-9c8b85f32b61&pf_rd_r=C1AZFX80Z52PSEA8ZKV8&pd_rd_wg=YrXgo&pd_rd_r=190f036b-695e-4dd9-8ae0-eaa945301677&pd_rd_i=006000794X&psc=1
So the government murdered children because of moonshine, cigarettes, and guns. Got it.
Eff the US government.
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ZipZap
03-01-2024, 12:44am
Everyone saying he was a pedo.....note that was an accusation made as an afterthought by the government. Almost like they just made that shit up out of thin air to try and demonize the guy.
Do I think their commune was a little weird? I do, but even the local farmers that lived near them said the people were polite and didn't cause any trouble. They should have been free to practice their religion as they saw fit.
After everything we've seen the last 8 years, do any of you really trust your government not to lie to you? They lie as easy as breathing. Russia collusion, Wu flu injections, right on up to the present. "OMG, it's Trump's fault we had a really good immigration bill and he had it killed. All the news stations are going with that. No. Read it. It's a shit bill that does nothing but provide more money to bring in even MOAR illegals.
Yet your government tells you this was the greatest thing again, and that none of this is the result of Brandon reversing literally ALL of Trump's successful polices. They just ****ing lie about everything. I don't believe Koresh was a pedo. They were supposedly looking for guns, and rather than just knock on the door of these nice, polite people, they rolled in in a cattle trailer, guns blazing, and they got their asses handed to them. Good. **** them. Of course, they were going to get their body count, and they did. :mad:
He was taking young women as wives. Better?
He was taking young women as wives. Better?
If they were 18 years of age or older, and were willing participants, I have no problem with it. :shrug:
The "pedo" thing always seemed weak to me, like they really didn't have any evidence at all. I have little doubt he was into some weird sexual stuff, but I have always been a "consenting adults behind closed doors" kind of a guy.
Vette40th
03-01-2024, 8:12am
Janet Reno.
They had Koresh in the town many times in their site. They could have just as easily arrested him there.
Vette40th
03-01-2024, 8:19am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlN0kYoPHIU
These people waited, and held out, hoping for a rescue that never came. The people of Texas should have risen up to save them, a la the Bundy Ranch standoff. But no help came, and our government immolated men, women and kids.
Not everyone watched the news back then or gave a shit unfortunately.
And if they did watch the news, it was hacks like Cronkite towing the line for the government.
If pedo accusations are a reason...I suggest a couple homes in Delaware that need to be attacked and burned to the ground.
If they were 18 years of age or older, and were willing participants, I have no problem with it. :shrug:
The "pedo" thing always seemed weak to me, like they really didn't have any evidence at all. I have little doubt he was into some weird sexual stuff, but I have always been a "consenting adults behind closed doors" kind of a guy.
So if I convince your 18 y/o daughter that I'm the Messiah and she does me, you still ok?
Vince Clortho
03-01-2024, 2:42pm
So if I convince your 18 y/o daughter that I'm the Messiah and she does me, you still ok?
Any father would be pissed at you and disappointed in her. Maybe threaten you and/or punch your lights out. Probably stop before burning down your house with your children inside.
So if I convince your 18 y/o daughter that I'm the Messiah and she does me, you still ok?
https://youtu.be/Ps7tVvQHLyo?si=UhiMZSgKCn2THnLI
Any father would be pissed at you and disappointed in her. Maybe threaten you and/or punch your lights out. Probably stop before burning down your house with your children inside.
You changed the subject. I have already clearly stated that the FBI/BATF.gov are absolute murderers in the Waco debacle.
My comment was about Koresh, and it seems you are defending him by saying reports of directed "marriages" (read sex), reported "spiritual" marriages to him from brainwashed women are totally false.
If I ever stand my ground against anything in a fight to the death, I will not sacrifice my family to do so. You read it here.
So if I convince your 18 y/o daughter that I'm the Messiah and she does me, you still ok?
I stand behind what I said. Once she is 18 years old, who she "does" and why is really none of my business. If in 18 years, I have failed to teach her how to identify liars and con artists, I have only myself to blame if I don't like who she "does".
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