home under construction torn down.

[Mike Mercury]

https://youtu.be/bAaCgyEWn44?t=52

[snide]

1/8" is important. :yesnod:

[Vandelay Industries]

Another satisfied client of Yadkin, Inc. :yesnod:

[LATB]

We have ALWAYS been required to have a slab/foundation survey delivered to the building department once completed.

Technically the builder should NOT proceed with construction before receiving the slab survey approval.

If you prematurely proceed with construction you better be certain that you meet the setback requirements and elevation requirements.
Otherwise you are taking a huge risk.

This builder FAFO.

[ratflinger]

Moral of the story: Don't build in town and do what the **** you want.

[Yadkin]

Another satisfied client of Yadkin, Inc. :yesnod:

You jumped to a conclusion without watching the video. The contractor, or his sub, violated a setback requirement. Engineer's don't get involved in that type of thing, as it's left up to lesser professions. :Jeff '79:

[Don Rickles]

ICNT

No variance for you!

A small payoff to the neighbor causing all the problems, might have saved all this......:yesnod:

[LATB]

ICNT

No variance for you!

A small payoff to the neighbor causing all the problems, might have saved all this......:yesnod:

According to the report, the neighbor was in favor of allowing construction to move forward. :island14:

[Don Rickles]

According to the report, the neighbor was in favor of allowing construction to move forward. :island14:

The other one. :yesnod::slap:

[Don Rickles]

According to the report, the neighbor was in favor of allowing construction to move forward. :island14:

If this is true, and there was no contention from the neighboring property owners.......there's more to the story we aren't reading.


:yesnod:

[Vandelay Industries]

You jumped to a conclusion without watching the video.

RONG. :funnier:

[LATB]

The other one. :yesnod::slap:

If this is true, and there was no contention from the neighboring property owners.......there's more to the story we aren't reading.


:yesnod:

Agree

[Yadkin]

If this is true, and there was no contention from the neighboring property owners.......there's more to the story we aren't reading.


:yesnod:


Not much more. A neighbor can't waive city requirements. Setback is five feet, not 3-1/2.

Here we always hire a surveyor to pin the house corners. Site plans always show setbacks and easements. Town/ city reviews the site plans, building footprint and exterior elevations for conformance with it's ordinances.

[Don Rickles]

Not much more. A neighbor can't waive city requirements. Setback is five feet, not 3-1/2.

Here we always hire a surveyor to pin the house corners. Site plans always show setbacks and easements. Town/ city reviews the site plans, building footprint and exterior elevations for conformance with it's ordinances.

Yad, I spent 8 years on our Townships Board of Supervisors.

Trust me when I say, “exceptional circumstances”, occur every day. A disagreeable neighbor can slow you down for a very long time! The townships bend. Money talks I don’t care what era you live in….

[Frankie the Fink]

I agree - more to the story....but setbacks are more than just a neighbor-to-neighbor issue; there has to be clearance for utilities and in my area its 5' setback so 10' between houses if emergency equipment needs access to the rear of the property.

[6spdC6]

Not much more. A neighbor can't waive city requirements. Setback is five feet, not 3-1/2.

Here we always hire a surveyor to pin the house corners. Site plans always show setbacks and easements. Town/ city reviews the site plans, building footprint and exterior elevations for conformance with it's ordinances.

When I lived in the big burb by Albany (1995) the building department for the most part was a seriously bad PITA. Then again some times they will work with you.

I wanted to put up a decent two car garage and to do it right I had to go beyond the set back. Filled out some papers paid a fee. The survey and the known landmarks were easy to follow. The neighbors were notified and signed off. A couple months later I got my exemption. The inspectors said the main reason for the set backs was in case of fire, more room between structures.

In my case it only was a open field on the other side of the boundary (Municipal property no less), I got my 3'

[Vandelay Industries]

This goes without saying but...10 feet between houses? ICNLT.

Not only can you hear your neighbor fart, but you can smell it too. :willy:

[Don Rickles]

This goes without saying but...10 acres between houses? ICNLT.

Not only can you hear your neighbor fart, but you can smell it too. :willy:

:iagree:

[LATB]

This goes without saying but...10 feet between houses? ICNLT.

Not only can you hear your neighbor fart, but you can smell it too. :willy:

I have built and I have also personally lived in PUD subdivisions with 5' setbacks. Only because it brought me business and we knew it was a short term stay.

I will add, building in the middle of 33 acres is a better experience. :yesnod:

[Don Rickles]

I have built and I have also personally lived in PUD subdivisions with 5' setbacks. Only because it brought me business and we knew it was a short term stay.

I will add, building in the middle of 33 acres is a better experience. :yesnod:

My rental is on the 5' line, left side of the house......:yesnod:

Lot frontage has been increased to 150'. These properties are grandfathered.

[LATB]

Back 30+ years ago I was building a new 100+ lot subdivision for a developer, we built homes and we sold lots to other builders. One contractor literally built a slab/foundation on the wrong lot. Fortunately, the lot was still developer owned so a lot swap was the simple remedy.

Another example (same subdivision ironically) we had contractor build on a corner lot and the corner of the garage was in the setback because the setback follows the curve in the road/ROW. He cut the slab and built an angle on the corner to be within the setback.

[Don Rickles]

Back 30+ years ago I was building a new 100+ lot subdivision for a developer, we built homes and we sold lots to other builders. One contractor literally built a slab/foundation on the wrong lot. Fortunately, the lot was still developer owned so a lot swap was the simple remedy.

Another example (same subdivision ironically) we had contractor build on a corner lot and the corner of the garage was in the setback because the setback follows the curve in the road/ROW. He cut the slab and built an angle on the corner to be within the setback.

Did a small job years ago, a 3 season rear porch addition. I had to design it not to impede. So a 45* angled wall solved the issue! Inspector was a prick....(DJ look I said prick!)

[Tikiman]

Not much more. A neighbor can't waive city requirements. Setback is five feet, not 3-1/2.

Here we always hire a surveyor to pin the house corners. Site plans always show setbacks and easements. Town/ city reviews the site plans, building footprint and exterior elevations for conformance with it's ordinances.

Where I am, setbacks are 100' from the main road and 25' off property lines. Not much of an issue since the smallest lots out here are 5 acres.

[jw38]

I'm not a fan of implants, but that reporter in the green dress REALLY needs them!

[Yadkin]

This goes without saying but...10 feet between houses? ICNLT.

Not only can you hear your neighbor fart, but you can smell it too. :willy:

You live in Massachushits, a Police State, so don't pretend that you have any freedom. :Jeff '79:

[Vandelay Industries]

You live in Massachushits, a Police State, so don't pretend that you have any freedom. :Jeff '79:

:Jeff '79::blah::blah::blah::Jeff '79:

[GTOguy]

I agree - more to the story....but setbacks are more than just a neighbor-to-neighbor issue; there has to be clearance for utilities and in my area its 5' setback so 10' between houses if emergency equipment needs access to the rear of the property.
People die and new people move in. Agreements that were made prior by other parties don't apply. I went through this with my dad's estate. In the '70's, he agreed to give the neighbors newer house a pass as it was 3 feet over dad's property line. (dad was a liberal). After dad passed 30 years later, I actually toyed with taking the new neighbors to court, but let it go. The new owners of dad's house may have, though. We're talking a lot of space, and the newer house had no easement and needed dad's driveway to access their backyard.

[Mick]

Looks to me more like someone who thought they should have gotten paid off, didn't get paid off. :island14:

[Yadkin]

People die and new people move in. Agreements that were made prior by other parties don't apply. I went through this with my dad's estate. In the '70's, he agreed to give the neighbors newer house a pass as it was 3 feet over dad's property line. (dad was a liberal). After dad passed 30 years later, I actually toyed with taking the new neighbors to court, but let it go. The new owners of dad's house may have, though. We're talking a lot of space, and the newer house had no easement and needed dad's driveway to access their backyard.

Where I lived in NYS, I owned my neighbor's front yard. The county or state had moved the road and hacked up a survey somehow long before I purchased it. I considered it a liability and was concerned about it being an issue when it came time for me to sell. So I was considering hiring a surveyor and legally abandoning it.

Then my neighbor called me about acquiring the land. She was refinancing and her bank found out that she was, legally, land-locked from the street. The bitch had the gall to insist that I give her the land and pay for a surveyor to get it done.

So I told her that I would sell her the land for $5000. That really pissed her off, so she hired an attorney to get a quitclaim deed, or whatever it's called. He sent me the obligatory letter, which I dutifully ignored, and in doing so got the land transferred.

A year later I sold the house with no issues.

[ZipZap]

Two feet?

What a maroon! Some jackass put up frames and poured a scant 3 feet from the line. If the foreman could not eyeball the problem he should never be let on a jobsite again.

[6spdC6]

People die and new people move in. Agreements that were made prior by other parties don't apply. I went through this with my dad's estate. In the '70's, he agreed to give the neighbors newer house a pass as it was 3 feet over dad's property line. (dad was a liberal). After dad passed 30 years later, I actually toyed with taking the new neighbors to court, but let it go. The new owners of dad's house may have, though. We're talking a lot of space, and the newer house had no easement and needed dad's driveway to access their backyard.

Know nothing about Calif law.

In NYS there is a thing called "adverse possession" and under certain circumstances, a person using or maintaining land for a certain length of time can petition and take legal possession.

I had that because the previous owner of my land allowed another property holder to use and maintain a part of the lower section. Cough it in time and stopped it before the time limit came into play! I could have lost about a 1/4 acre!

[GTOguy]

In CA, there are people who have lost their rental homes to squatters Because Covid. Even though moratoriums ended last year (after 3 years) many tenants have opted to stay and live on for free, as they have for the past 3 years. Not paying rent gets addictive, I guess, and leaves more money for sneakers and McDonalds and fentanyl. There is legal recourse, but it costs hundreds of thousands and can take years in the courts. It's a Democrat Thing.

[LATB]

Know nothing about Calif law.

In NYS there is a thing called "adverse possession" and under certain circumstances, a person using or maintaining land for a certain length of time can petition and take legal possession.

I had that because the previous owner of my land allowed another property holder to use and maintain a part of the lower section. Cough it in time and stopped it before the time limit came into play! I could have lost about a 1/4 acre!

Correct and I believe that time period is 7 years.

Also, no property owner will be landlocked by law an adjoining property must give them access. There may be compensation?
I believe there are 100's of case law examples of this under FL statute 704.01.

[Mick]

In CA, there are people who have lost their rental homes to squatters Because Covid. Even though moratoriums ended last year (after 3 years) many tenants have opted to stay and live on for free, as they have for the past 3 years. Not paying rent gets addictive, I guess, and leaves more money for sneakers and McDonalds and fentanyl. There is legal recourse, but it costs hundreds of thousands and can take years in the courts. It's a Democrat Thing.

NJ and CA tenancy laws are very similar, in NJ, not pursuing legal recourse is a bad idea. The owner will still be paying the property taxes out of his pocket, or he will owe a bigger and bigger debt to the county for failure to pay. Eventually, the county will seize your house, boot the squatters, and sell the house to cover the tax lien. The previous owner will simply be shit out of luck.

I went through it once, a guy who had been a great tenant, lost his job and decided to crawl into a bottle and become a piece of shit. I got him and all of his shit out in about a year, and yes, it was miserable and expensive, but I didn't really have a choice as outlined above.

Correct and I believe that time period is 7 years.

Also, no property owner will be landlocked by law an adjoining property must give them access. There may be compensation?
I believe there are 100's of case law examples of this under FL statute 704.01.

IIRC, adverse possession is usually quite a bit longer than that. I did a search, and the first one to come up with NY State, they said 10 years. I've read articles where the time frame is much longer, like 25 years.

This link:

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/who-can-claim-property-based-adverse-possession-new-jersey.html

Says 30 years in NJ.

[Mike Mercury]

Not much more. A neighbor can't waive city requirements. Setback is five feet, not 3-1/2.



and I think the city/county/township was fearful of setting a precedence if they allowed it via variance.

[Vandelay Industries]

NJ and CA tenancy laws are very similar, in NJ, not pursuing legal recourse is a bad idea. The owner will still be paying the property taxes out of his pocket, or he will owe a bigger and bigger debt to the county for failure to pay. Eventually, the county will seize your house, boot the squatters, and sell the house to cover the tax lien. The previous owner will simply be shit out of luck.

I went through it once, a guy who had been a great tenant, lost his job and decided to crawl into a bottle and become a piece of shit. I got him and all of his shit out in about a year, and yes, it was miserable and expensive, but I didn't really have a choice as outlined above.



IIRC, adverse possession is usually quite a bit longer than that. I did a search, and the first one to come up with NY State, they said 10 years. I've read articles where the time frame is much longer, like 25 years.

This link:

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/who-can-claim-property-based-adverse-possession-new-jersey.html

Says 30 years in NJ.

MA is 20 years.

[snide]

Know nothing about Calif law.

In NYS there is a thing called "adverse possession" and under certain circumstances, a person using or maintaining land for a certain length of time can petition and take legal possession.

I had that because the previous owner of my land allowed another property holder to use and maintain a part of the lower section. Cough it in time and stopped it before the time limit came into play! I could have lost about a 1/4 acre!

Correct and I believe that time period is 7 years.

Also, no property owner will be landlocked by law an adjoining property must give them access. There may be compensation?
I believe there are 100's of case law examples of this under FL statute 704.01.

NJ and CA tenancy laws are very similar, in NJ, not pursuing legal recourse is a bad idea. The owner will still be paying the property taxes out of his pocket, or he will owe a bigger and bigger debt to the county for failure to pay. Eventually, the county will seize your house, boot the squatters, and sell the house to cover the tax lien. The previous owner will simply be shit out of luck.

I went through it once, a guy who had been a great tenant, lost his job and decided to crawl into a bottle and become a piece of shit. I got him and all of his shit out in about a year, and yes, it was miserable and expensive, but I didn't really have a choice as outlined above.



IIRC, adverse possession is usually quite a bit longer than that. I did a search, and the first one to come up with NY State, they said 10 years. I've read articles where the time frame is much longer, like 25 years.

This link:

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/who-can-claim-property-based-adverse-possession-new-jersey.html

Says 30 years in NJ.

MA is 20 years.

In PA, it is 20 years.

[LATB]

In PA, it is 20 years.

I looked it up. Adverse possession is indeed 7 years in the state of Florida. I guess I retained some knowledge from all that required real estate licensure and CE education. :Jeff '79:

[Don Rickles]

This reminded me of a tragedy I witnessed many years ago. No personal injury.

Imagine a 500 unit townhouse development, with acres of opened fields. Rows and rows of houses in different stages of construction.

We’d framed a row of 14, roof trusses went on the day before. When we did truss roofs, we’d plywood in the first row then brace off diagonally and horizontal before the end of the day with 2x’s.

Next morning, we show up and a storm hits! Winds took the entire row, to the ground! It was horrific!

The goods news was, we got paid twice to frame the same row!

[Onebadcad]

Nowhere near as costly as this ****up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harmon#:~:text=The%20Harmon%20was%20an%20unfinished,Vegas%20Strip%20in%20Paradise%2C%20Nevada.

The Harmon was an unfinished high-rise building at the CityCenter development, located on the Las Vegas Strip in Paradise, Nevada. It was named after its location at the intersection of Harmon Avenue and Las Vegas Boulevard. The Harmon was developed by MGM Mirage and Dubai World, with Perini Building Company as general contractor. It was designed by Foster and Partners as a non-gaming hotel, and was to be operated by The Light Group. It was scheduled to open with the rest of CityCenter in late 2009. The tower originally was to rise 49 stories, and would include 400 hotel rooms and 207 condominiums.

The Harmon had significant construction defects that went unnoticed by inspectors until July 2008, with the discovery of faulty rebar installation that was handled by a subcontractor. The tower had reached the 22nd floor by that point, with structural errors affecting 15 floors. In January 2009, MGM announced cancellation of the condominium component due to the costly structural defects, as well as the poor state of the local condo market. The tower was topped out at 28 stories, and its exterior was finished to blend in with CityCenter's other properties upon their debut. The Harmon itself was rescheduled to open a year later, at the end of 2010.

MGM, however, removed Perini from the project in March 2010, calling the hotel a "total loss". Perini filed a lawsuit seeking $492 million in unpaid construction bills, relating primarily to the Harmon. MGM filed a counterclaim, and the company's demolition plans were delayed as Perini considered the structure to be evidence of defective design, which would exonerate the general contractor. The lawsuit carried on for years before both sides settled in December 2014, avoiding trial.

The structure was largely an empty shell; during its existence, the exterior was used to advertise other CityCenter attractions. Testing of the structure, conducted during litigation, showed that it was vulnerable to collapsing in the event of an earthquake. Demolition eventually began in June 2014, and concluded in August 2015. The land was sold in 2021, and a four-story shopping mall, known as 63, opened on the site in 2023.

[Onebadcad]

I'm not a fan of implants, but that reporter in the green dress REALLY needs them!

mosquito bites would be a welcomed enhancement