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DJ_Critterus
09-11-2023, 9:02am
It's a ****ing disgrace how all the leadership got it wrong and lied to the american people the whole time. It's an even bigger disgrace they lied to all of us who served under them, too :mad:
This man summed it up nicely.
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/jack-carrs-take-9-11-terror-attacks-hope-lessons-afghanistan
Vandelay Industries
09-11-2023, 9:12am
Do you remember how on 9/12/2001 everybody was saying we needed open borders?
Yeah, me neither. Sickening how fast the left will sell out the country for their own power.
Do you remember how on 9/12/2001 everybody was saying we needed open borders?
Yeah, me neither. Sickening how fast the left will sell out the country for their own power.
It's part of their plan to bankrupt the US. Since China holds our debt, they will own us, and we'll be full commie.
Onebadcad
09-11-2023, 9:26am
It's part of their plan to bankrupt the US. Since China holds our debt, they will own us, and we'll be full commie.
A good read:
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/080615/china-owns-us-debt-how-much.asp
DATED AUG 19, 2023
From January 2022 to January 2023, the debt to Japan and China decreased by 15% and 17%, respectively.
Japan commands the top spot among foreign creditors with $1.1 trillion—about 3% of total U.S. debt—owed by the U.S. government. China holds the number two position, holding $859.4 billion of U.S. Treasurys—about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt.
I say that re-neg on our national debt until we get compensated for the debt owed to us from all of our WW2 allies.
I say that re-neg on our national debt until we get compensated for the debt owed to us from all of our WW2 allies.
We should charge China for the cost of their manufactured Covid virus.
A good read:
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/080615/china-owns-us-debt-how-much.asp
DATED AUG 19, 2023
:seasix:
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sublime1996525
09-11-2023, 9:51am
I say that re-neg on our national debt until we get compensated for the debt owed to us from all of our WW2 allies.
Link to said debt?
Private citizen Trump interviewed a day after the attack:
https://twitter.com/WojPawelczyk/status/1701214777945604446?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1701214777945604446%7Ctwgr%5Ecd3cdaabfb42c54fa10bbd033ffba55d2845319c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2Fp%2F17r9N3cJOx%2Ftrump-interview-on-911%2Fc%2F
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TheRealBadger
09-11-2023, 9:57am
I say that re-neg on our national debt until we get compensated for the debt owed to us from all of our WW2 allies.
Sounds like a boomer. Just borrow until the end of time and then pile it all on the future generations.
You have no clue would a default would do, do you?
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04 commemorative
09-11-2023, 10:06am
I was at the top of the SouthTower a few times...breathtaking views ....I also was in NYC and watched them come down :sadangel:
Yadkin
09-11-2023, 10:08am
Sounds like a boomer. Just borrow until the end of time and then pile it all on the future generations.
You have no clue would a default would do, do you?
:Jeff '79:
Onebadcad
09-11-2023, 10:22am
Sounds like a boomer. Just borrow until the end of time and then pile it all on the future generations.
You have no clue would a default would do, do you?
It would be devastating, would affect our ability to borrow more, would drive many investors away, would greatly harm many Americans who are owed.
A default may take place NOT due to policy action, but due to necessity.
Today $33T is owed
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Average rate is 2.84% https://www.statista.com/statistics/1382455/monthly-interest-rate-us-debt/#:~:text=As%20of%20July%202023%2C%20the,at%20the%20beginning%20of%202022.
My math is $938B is owed for interest, not simply a figure, but a real liability, the first item in the national budget.
The annual debt service could be MUCH HIGHER in future years.
Assume $40T by 2025, at an average of 3.250%, current 10yr T at 4.30% today.
So, based on above, could be $1.3T debt service in 2 years.
The national budget for 2023 is $6.4T, with projected deficit of $1.6T.
$938B owed is 15% of budget--BRUTAL.
Good read: https://www.statista.com/statistics/246439/interest-expense-on-us-public-debt/
Default my happen, sooner than we think, as I think should depends joe or another socialist wins in 2024, we could be close to $60T by 2029, at 3.50% rate, debt service could be $2.1T/year.
Sadly, less than 5.00% of voters can explain this to any degree, most think money grows on trees, and think interest owed is a figment.
Sorry to wreck your Monday.
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GTOguy
09-11-2023, 10:25am
Link to said debt?
Google it.
Finland is the ONLY country to pay off its debt.
And WE actually paid reparations to JAPAN for the internment camp relatives, if you can believe it.
The other countries still owe billions of dollars, never to be honored.
Onebadcad
09-11-2023, 10:25am
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When she fell, the ground shook more.
DJ_Critterus
09-11-2023, 10:28am
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That should have never been allowed to even be considered. What a slap in the face to this nation, but then again, Gaybama hates us.
Yadkin
09-11-2023, 10:28am
Sadly, less than 5.00% of voters can explain this to any degree, most think money grows on trees, and think interest owed is a figment.
Some of these dummies think that the US can mint trillion dollar coins. :spdchk:
Some economists say that means it's time for a break-the-glass option: a trillion-dollar coin.
The coin — which wouldn't need to be bigger than an average coin, and can be made quickly — is part of a potential debt-ceiling loophole. The Treasury Department can mint platinum coins of any denomination. That's led to a school of thought that says Yellen should simply mint a trillion-dollar platinum coin and deposit it to pay off the debts until a more permanent solution can be found.
"At this point, if any of the other solutions, the so-called more serious solutions would work, then they would've been used by now. But they keep not actually being strong enough. The coin's the only one that's strong enough," Rohan Grey, an assistant professor at Willamette University College of Law, told Insider.
https://www.businessinsider.com/debt-ceiling-solution-mint-a-trillion-dollar-platinum-coin-2023-5?op=1
69camfrk
09-11-2023, 10:46am
It's a ****ing disgrace how all the leadership got it wrong and lied to the american people the whole time. It's an even bigger disgrace they lied to all of us who served under them, too :mad:
This man summed it up nicely.
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/jack-carrs-take-9-11-terror-attacks-hope-lessons-afghanistan
I knew the deal before I ever deployed. It was obvious that we were being lied to. W wanted to get even with Saddam for putting a hit out on his old man. And of course we went right along "following orders". All we did was destabilize the whole region which continues to this day. We accomplished jack shit. All we got were a ton of dead/injured Americans, dead Iraqi's,Afghanis, etc. And it was ****ing Saudi Arabia that funded the whole damn world trade center attack. Also, I'm pretty convinced that our own .gov may have had a hand in the whole damn thing so we could "justify" a war. And as you know, Saddam didn't have shit to do with the attacks. We had him completely contained anyway. It all amounts to a huge steaming pile of bullshit.:issues:
DJ_Critterus
09-11-2023, 10:50am
I knew the deal before I ever deployed. It was obvious that we were being lied to. W wanted to get even with Saddam for putting a hit out on his old man. And of course we went right along "following orders". All we did was destabilize the whole region which continues to this day. We accomplished jack shit. All we got were a ton of dead/injured Americans, dead Iraqi's,Afghanis, etc. And it was ****ing Saudi Arabia that funded the whole damn world trade center attack. Also, I'm pretty convinced that our own .gov may have had a hand in the whole damn thing so we could "justify" a war. And as you know, Saddam didn't have shit to do with the attacks. We had him completely contained anyway. It all amounts to a huge steaming pile of bullshit.:issues:
We should have gone into afghanistan, destroyed everything, and left with a warning that any country harboring terrorists will get the same treatment. No way should we have repeated the Monroe Doctrine and tried to do nation building for a bunch of savages.
m and t's77
09-11-2023, 11:01am
I was at the top of the SouthTower a few times...breathtaking views ....I also was in NYC and watched them come down :sadangel:
Took the train in from Hoboken after it was rebuilt from the first bombing.I remember there was a food court and such.Just huge buildings and turned into rubble after the 2nd attempt.
:sadangel:
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I will always remember that day. I had flown out of Boston's Logan airport the day before. Two managers at the company I worked for were supposed both fly out of Boston to LA, each on one of the fated flights, but both canceled their travel plans at the last minute.
We should charge China for the cost of their manufactured Covid virus.
Trump probably would have. And still may when he’s back in the White House.
Trump probably would have. And still may when he’s back in the White House.
I would. Pursue a claim in the International Court. Of course, that would open up some embarassing discovery, as China pulls out the receipts showing our own government was funding and conspiring in the creation of the bioweapon that was released. In other words, the US has comparative negligence, which would leave China AND the US liable for claims from literally every other country on the planet. We might not actually want to go there.
Maybe our legal eagle Will could weigh in here.
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Even the racist Mayor Adams and the Marxist witch Hochul have enough sense to not break decorum in public.
Vandelay Industries
09-11-2023, 1:28pm
Private citizen Trump interviewed a day after the attack:
https://twitter.com/WojPawelczyk/status/1701214777945604446?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1701214777945604446%7Ctwgr%5Ecd3cdaabfb42c54fa10bbd033ffba55d2845319c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2Fp%2F17r9N3cJOx%2Ftrump-interview-on-911%2Fc%2F
[TDS Barn members] Liar! His men were only there for 30 hours at that point, NOT a day and a half like he wants you to believe! He should rot in jail for that!!!! [/TDS Barn members]
We should have gone into afghanistan, destroyed everything, and left with a warning that any country harboring terrorists will get the same treatment. No way should we have repeated the Monroe Doctrine and tried to do nation building for a bunch of savages.
THIS^^^^. We should have turned the place into glass the following day. This area has been a festering pustule on the face of the planet for the past 13,000 years. The liberal mis-guided mindset that they are basically good folks and want to be westernized is the same as talking a great white shark out of eating your leg. Not Happening.
We should have done EXACTLY what Balloon Knot Starfish stated. :seasix:
roadpilot
09-11-2023, 2:11pm
It's part of their plan to bankrupt the US. Since China holds our debt, they will own us, and we'll be full commie.
Some will be "full commie", some on this Forum will be full commie.
roadpilot
09-11-2023, 2:14pm
Never Forget
Many, many have forgotten Dec 7th.,1941
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Even the racist Mayor Adams and the Marxist witch Hochul have enough sense to not break decorum in public.
In her defense, she was probably asked a simple question that she didn't know the answer to.
:Jeff '79:
The lack of action to stop the Patriot Act is my clear signal from the Government that they continue to hold me and everyone else in utter contempt. The PA has gone from preventing terrorism, to terrorizing the folks it was purported to protect.
I would. Pursue a claim in the International Court. Of course, that would open up some embarassing discovery, as China pulls out the receipts showing our own government was funding and conspiring in the creation of the bioweapon that was released. In other words, the US has comparative negligence, which would leave China AND the US liable for claims from literally every other country on the planet. We might not actually want to go there.
Maybe our legal eagle Will could weigh in here.
Good point.
The lack of action to stop the Patriot Act is my clear signal from the Government that they continue to hold me and everyone else in utter contempt. The PA has gone from preventing terrorism, to terrorizing the folks it was purported to protect.
The ironically 'Patriot Act' was NEVER about preventing terrorism. Recall it's what the government used to spy on Trump and his team, even during his presidency.
Batshit crazy libertarians like me were screaming about this at the time, but no one cared. And here we are, 22 years later.
[sigh]
We should have gone into afghanistan, destroyed everything, and left with a warning that any country harboring terrorists will get the same treatment. No way should we have repeated the Monroe Doctrine and tried to do nation building for a bunch of savages.
Korea - Rinse - Repeat
I will always remember that day. I had flown out of Boston's Logan airport the day before. Two managers at the company I worked for were supposed both fly out of Boston to LA, each on one of the fated flights, but both canceled their travel plans at the last minute.
I had 2 friends on Flt 77 and one in the Pentagon who we lost:sadangel:
In her defense, she was probably asked a simple question that she didn't know the answer to.
:Jeff '79:
"Buses have wheels. The wheels on the bus go round, round, round....because that's what bus wheels do. They go round."
~Kamala, probably
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December 08, 2015 | Judicial Watch
Judicial Watch: New Benghazi Email Shows DOD Offered State Department “Forces that Could Move to Benghazi” Immediately – Specifics Blacked Out in New Document
“They are spinning up as we speak.” U.S. Department of Defense Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 7:19 PM
(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today released a new Benghazi email from then-Department of Defense Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash to State Department leadership immediately offering “forces that could move to Benghazi” during the terrorist attack on the U.S. Special Mission Compound in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012. In an email sent to top Department of State officials, at 7:19 p.m. ET, only hours after the attack had begun, Bash says, “we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak.” The Obama administration redacted the details of the military forces available, oddly citing a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) exemption that allows the withholding of “deliberative process” information.
Bash’s email seems to directly contradict testimony given by then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta before the Senate Armed Services Committee in February 2013. Defending the Obama administration’s lack of military response to the nearly six-hour-long attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Panetta claimed that “time, distance, the lack of an adequate warning, events that moved very quickly on the ground prevented a more immediate response.”
The first assault occurred at the main compound at about 9:40 pm local time – 3:40 p.m. ET in Washington, DC. The second attack on a CIA annex 1.2 miles away began three hours later, at about 12 am local time the following morning (6 p.m. ET), and ended at approximately 5:15 a.m. local time (11:15 p.m. ET) with a mortar attack that killed security officers Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.
The newly released email reads:
From: Bash, Jeremy CIV SD [REDACTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:19 PM
To: Sullivan, Jacob J; Sherman, Wendy R; Nides, Thomas R
Cc: Miller, James HON OSD POLICY; Wienefeld, James A ADM JSC VCJCS; Kelly, John LtGen SD; martin, dempsey [REDACTED]
Subject: Libya
State colleagues:
I just tried you on the phone but you were all in with S [apparent reference to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton].
After consulting with General Dempsey, General Ham and the Joint Staff, we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak. They include a [REDACTED].
Assuming Principals agree to deploy these elements, we will ask State to procure the approval from host nation. Please advise how you wish to convey that approval to us [REDACTED].
Jeremy
Jacob Sullivan was Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the time of the terrorist attack at Benghazi. Wendy Sherman was Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, the fourth-ranking official in the U.S. Department of State. Thomas Nides was the Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources.
The timing of the Bash email is particularly significant based upon testimony given to members of Congress by Gregory Hicks, Deputy Chief of Mission of the U.S. embassy in Tripoli at the time of the Benghazi terrorist attack. According to Hicks’ 2013 testimony, a show of force by the U.S. military during the siege could have prevented much of the carnage. Said Hicks, “if we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split. They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them.”
Ultimately, Special Operations forces on their own initiative traveled from Tripoli to Benghazi to provide support during the attack. Other military assets were only used to recover the dead and wounded, and to evacuate U.S. personnel from Libya. In fact, other documents released in October by Judicial Watch show that only one U.S. plane was available to evacuate Americans from Benghazi to Tripoli and raise questions about whether a delay of military support led to additional deaths in Benghazi.
The new email came as a result of a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed on September 4, 2014 (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:14-cv-01511)), seeking:
Records related to notes, updates, or reports created in response to the September 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. This request includes, but is not limited to, notes taken by then Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton or employees of the Office of the Secretary of State during the attack and its immediate aftermath.
“The Obama administration and Clinton officials hid this compelling Benghazi email for years,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “The email makes readily apparent that the military was prepared to launch immediate assistance that could have made a difference, at least at the CIA Annex. The fact that the Obama Administration withheld this email for so long only worsens the scandal of Benghazi.”
Anjdog2003
09-11-2023, 3:45pm
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One of the speakers told the crowd to laugh if you were an idiot.
Anjdog2003
09-11-2023, 4:32pm
J[oe Biden] I remember 911 like it was yesterday. When we landed in Normandy i felt Europe embraced us.[/Joe Biden]
J[oe Biden] I remember 911 like it was yesterday. When we landed in Normandy i felt Europe embraced us.[/Joe Biden]
Close. Here's what he actually said:
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1701331704600768979?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1701331704600768979%7Ctwgr%5E3411114f1928e0af7d22ae85362d098ed967007b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2Fp%2F17r9N4lGQ2%2Fthe-babylon-bee-strikes-again-%2Fc%2F
https://twitter.com/KeithWoodsYT/status/1701334950262251667?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1701334950262251667%7Ctwgr%5E21f0c2ac99f59ae1992325878fc142de27ccb15a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2Fp%2F17r9N4loBS%2Foriginal-abc-news-report-on-the-%2Fc%2F
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOiCMMMeXE8
Frankie the Fink
09-12-2023, 5:36am
I was under the Pentagon on the Metro when the plane went in, so weird, I entered a hole in the ground to take a train somewhere and emerged from another hole and the world had changed.
I lived two miles from the Pentagon (Potomac Yards) and worked at DOJ and helped set up the "war room" to track casualties from the attacks. 40-50 people crammed together at desks working phones with the 3 letter agencies and other sources gathering information - and not a dry eye in the house. A colleague lost her husband in the Pentagon attack.
Now Biden celebrates it in Alaska. Our country is well and truly ****ed.
Vandelay Industries
09-12-2023, 9:50am
Close. Here's what he actually said:
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1701331704600768979?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1701331704600768979%7Ctwgr%5E3411114f1928e0af7d22ae85362d098ed967007b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2Fp%2F17r9N4lGQ2%2Fthe-babylon-bee-strikes-again-%2Fc%2F
POTATUS has a knack for making satire come true.
We should have gone into afghanistan, destroyed everything, and left with a warning that any country harboring terrorists will get the same treatment. No way should we have repeated the Monroe Doctrine and tried to do nation building for a bunch of savages.
This X one zillion million billion, plus 3. :yesnod:
mrvette
09-12-2023, 11:20am
It would be devastating, would affect our ability to borrow more, would drive many investors away, would greatly harm many Americans who are owed.
A default may take place NOT due to policy action, but due to necessity.
Today $33T is owed
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Average rate is 2.84% https://www.statista.com/statistics/1382455/monthly-interest-rate-us-debt/#:~:text=As%20of%20July%202023%2C%20the,at%20the%20beginning%20of%202022.
My math is $938B is owed for interest, not simply a figure, but a real liability, the first item in the national budget.
The annual debt service could be MUCH HIGHER in future years.
Assume $40T by 2025, at an average of 3.250%, current 10yr T at 4.30% today.
So, based on above, could be $1.3T debt service in 2 years.
The national budget for 2023 is $6.4T, with projected deficit of $1.6T.
$938B owed is 15% of budget--BRUTAL.
Good read: https://www.statista.com/statistics/246439/interest-expense-on-us-public-debt/
Default my happen, sooner than we think, as I think should depends joe or another socialist wins in 2024, we could be close to $60T by 2029, at 3.50% rate, debt service could be $2.1T/year.
Sadly, less than 5.00% of voters can explain this to any degree, most think money grows on trees, and think interest owed is a figment.
Sorry to wreck your Monday.
I SAY, duck out on the entire national debt, leave the rest of the debts in this nation up to negotiations between parties.....no drugs allowed....:cert:
Don't even need cancel the current currency......as if it matters.....
and YES, I'm stone serious......foreign nations not getting paid, tough shit....
individuals not getting paid....so what???
so ALL the prices get reset.....I would call it just REVALUING the dollar, and tell the billionairs to shut the HELL UP, or they going into jail, max security....
in about 2-3 daze it will all settle out, because it HAS TO!!!
and our Fed.gov is no longer allowed to deliberately deficit spend, for an emergency maybe....but NOT BY ANY PLAN......
AND when emergency is past history.....the $$$$ need paid back VERY quickly.....say at least 20% per year.....
:cert:
Many things from that day will puzzle me forever.
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dvarapala
09-12-2023, 12:13pm
Many things from that day will puzzle me forever.
https://i.insider.com/591f5169639147ee238b4ef0?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp
WTF am I looking at? :shrug:
Torqaholic
09-12-2023, 12:57pm
All those American flags people put on their cars were gone within 6 months.
Seems patriotism was just a convenient fad to help them blend in.
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Anjdog2003
09-12-2023, 1:04pm
All those American flags people put on their cars were gone within 6 months.
Seems patriotism was just a convenient fad to help them blend in.
http://www.frahmcomm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Sheep-flock.jpg
Looks like Liberals going to a Joe Biden speech.
WTF am I looking at? :shrug:
Well, I'm thinking that the hole is the size of an aircraft fuselage. And I'm guessing that the wall is The Pentagon.
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