Being the gay

[Unsuspicious]

What do you think

[Aerovette]

Dammit. I voted wrong.

I meant to vote NOT a choice as I believe it is an illness.

[gs568]

Saw it firsthand with my brother. He failed miserably with women.

[LATB]

The lifestyle is a choice.

The desire is a mental illness.

[Unsuspicious]

The lifestyle is a choice.

The desire is a mental illness.

That's pretty good. Like choosing to overeat to be fat but could be unchosen medical hormone issue.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

My money is on it's not a choice. And it's not a ****ing illness. Chopping your cock off? That's an illness.

[TheRealBadger]

My money is on it's not a choice. And it's not a ****ing illness. Chopping your cock off? That's an illness.

Seems right

[Anjdog2003]

He failed miserably with women.


I'am sure half of the VetteBarn has too.



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[Bruze]

It's a choice, but with a heavy dose of brainwashing from all corners of the leftist culture.

When I was in school (class of '68) the LAST thing you would accuse another kid of being was "a queer."

"Them's fightin' words." https://i.postimg.cc/y60mLtFJ/smiley-bashhead.gif

[Burro (He/Haw)]

It's a choice, but with a heavy dose of brainwashing from all corners of the leftist culture.

When I was in school (class of '68) the LAST thing you would accuse another kid of being was "a queer."

"Them's fightin' words." https://i.postimg.cc/y60mLtFJ/smiley-bashhead.gif

So how do you explain the 60 year old gay man who grew up in an era you'd get your ass kicked for being gay?

[MY03C5Z]

My money is on it's not a choice. And it's not a ****ing illness. Chopping your cock off? That's an illness.


:iagree:

[LATB]

So how do you explain the 60 year old gay man who grew up in an era you'd get your ass kicked for being gay?

He made the choice to take that chance.

[Bruze]

So how do you explain the 60 year old gay man who grew up in an era you'd get your ass kicked for being gay?

There's always been homos around, but "back in the day" the culture-at-large rejected that lifestyle.

Now, apparently, it is the chosen and approved lifestyle -- overriding the primal desire to empty one's nuts inside of a vagina.

"The survival of the species." Western culture is dying, we are not reproducing at replacement levels.

[slewfoot]

Where's Lear? He disappear again? He always seems to like guys

[Burro (He/Haw)]

It's a choice, but with a heavy dose of brainwashing from all corners of the leftist culture.

You're 12 years older than I am so we're from different eras. But your position is it's a choice influenced by peer pressure in the late 60's. Do think the Liberal of the late 60's is the Liberal of today? JFK and Sleepy Joe are essentially the same in other words.

He made the choice to take that chance.
So the individual from the 60's and 70's made a choice, based on peer pressure to join ('Join?') a marginalized group of people who were regularly discriminated against, alienated and subjected to violence? He may not even like cock, but his peers told him its cool so he joined up risking discrimination, alienation and violence. That's your position?

[LATB]

So the individual from the 60's and 70's made a choice, based on peer pressure to join ('Join?') a marginalized group of people who were regularly discriminated against, alienated and subjected to violence? He may not even like cock, but his peers told him its cool so he joined up risking discrimination, alienation and violence. That's your position?

My position is the desire is a mental illness. The lifestyle is a choice. That choice like any has ramifications. It’s obvious easier to make that choice today, but it’s makes it no less of a choice.

Back in the 60’s & 70’s the lifestyle wasn’t on display as it is today. So the choice was much more private.

[Bill]

So how do you explain the 60 year old gay man who grew up in an era you'd get your ass kicked for being gay?

Victim of sexual abuse as a child, most likely.

[Bruze]

You're 12 years older than I am so we're from different eras. But your position is it's a choice influenced by peer pressure in the late 60's. Do think the Liberal of the late 60's is the Liberal of today? JFK and Sleepy Joe are essentially the same in other words.


So the individual from the 60's and 70's made a choice, based on peer pressure to join ('Join?') a marginalized group of people who were regularly discriminated against, alienated and subjected to violence? He may not even like cock, but his peers told him its cool so he joined up risking discrimination, alienation and violence. That's your position?

No, TODAY the peer pressure is to be a homo. It used to be the opposite, although it wasn't "peer pressure," it was just the natural instinct to cum in a *****.

[Dan Dlabay]

I have nothing against gay people as long as the keep it to themselves, As for trans I still firmly believe born a male you are a male for born a female you are a female for life only God can change that.:cert:

[mrvette]

I have nothing against gay people as long as the keep it to themselves, As for trans I still firmly believe born a male you are a male for born a female you are a female for life only God can change that.:cert:

THAT position is SO obvious, need NO further explanation........:seasix:

[Taurus]

Where's Lear? He disappear again? He always seems to like guys

He's been MIA since he got all mad and threatened to call his lawyers and sue some folks here for being mean. :slap:

[OnPoint]

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

[Chemtrails99]

So how do you explain the 60 year old gay man who grew up in an era you'd get your ass kicked for being gay?

Mopar Owner. They're used to it.

[Anjdog2003]

This must have hit home for CF mods eat dick, he hasn't post. :yesnod:

[gs568]

This must have hit home for CF mods eat dick, he hasn't post. :yesnod:

Maybe he’s Tri-tip or docb??

[PLRX]

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[NEED-A-VETTE]

For the crowd that states it’s a choice, here’s some food for thought…

If being gay is a choice, the implication is that one can choose not to be attracted to the same sex. Since it’s a choice, they can choose not to be attracted to the same sex.

So, when did you all choose not to be attracted to men? Since sexual attraction is a choice, then each of you had to make an intentional and deliberate choice not to be attracted to men.

The answer is that you did not choose. Your sexual attraction is for the opposite sex and always has been. You have no attraction to the same sex. In fact, it is repulsive for you to imagine sexual activity with the same sex.

Someone who is gay has the same lack of attraction to the opposite sex. They can not choose to be attracted to the opposite sex any more than you could choose to be attracted to the same sex.

Anyhow, that’s my take. Just food for thought.

[Unsuspicious]

For the crowd that states it’s a choice, here’s some food for thought…

If being gay is a choice, the implication is that one can choose not to be attracted to the same sex. Since it’s a choice, they can choose not to be attracted to the same sex.

So, when did you all choose not to be attracted to men? Since sexual attraction is a choice, then each of you had to make an intentional and deliberate choice not to be attracted to men.

The answer is that you did not choose. Your sexual attraction is for the opposite sex and always has been. You have no attraction to the same sex. In fact, it is repulsive for you to imagine sexual activity with the same sex.

Someone who is gay has the same lack of attraction to the opposite sex. They can not choose to be attracted to the opposite sex any more than you could choose to be attracted to the same sex.

Anyhow, that’s my take. Just food for thought.

But it can't be necessarily hard wired when you can condition a person with normalization and social pressure. Or you'd have to say that doing gay things doesn't make you gay, like guys at sea or guys in prison, maybe attraction or preference has nothing to do with it. The only instinct is to bust a nut in whatever conditions allow for it. You just can't believe it's as simple as biology because that literally does not account for midwestern liberal arts college sororities where girls 'experiment', otherwise you'd have to believe every one of those girls were lesbians all along.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

But it can't be necessarily hard wired when you can condition a person with normalization and social pressure. Or you'd have to say that doing gay things doesn't make you gay, like guys at sea or guys in prison, maybe attraction or preference has nothing to do with it. The only instinct is to bust a nut in whatever conditions allow for it. You just can't believe it's as simple as biology because that literally does not account for midwestern liberal arts college sororities where girls 'experiment', otherwise you'd have to believe every one of those girls were lesbians all along.

I can and do believe that sexual attraction is as simple as biology. If not, then when did you “decide” not to be attracted to men?

I don’t believe that experimentation with sexuality defines sexuality. And going along with your line of thinking…if they were attracted to women all along and weren’t just experimenting, they would have maintainers relationships with women the rest of their lives.

I can experiment and try new foods I’ve never had and decide I don’t like them. And I never have them again because I do not like them.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. :cheers:

[Anjdog2003]

I can and do believe that sexual attraction is as simple as biology. If not, then when did you “decide” not to be attracted to men?

I don’t believe that experimentation with sexuality defines sexuality. And going along with your line of thinking…if they were attracted to women all along and weren’t just experimenting, they would have maintainers relationships with women the rest of their lives.

I can experiment and try new foods I’ve never had and decide I don’t like them. And I never have them again because I do not like them.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. :cheers:






I agree i'am attracted to you. So i figure i'am I'am a heterosexual. :yesnod:

[NEED-A-VETTE]

I agree i'am attracted to you. So i figure i'am I'am a heterosexual. :yesnod:

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[Anjdog2003]

LOL have a life cant hang out all the time! :yesnod:




*Can't


I've noticed, :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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[Mick]

For the crowd that states it’s a choice, here’s some food for thought…

If being gay is a choice, the implication is that one can choose not to be attracted to the same sex. Since it’s a choice, they can choose not to be attracted to the same sex.

So, when did you all choose not to be attracted to men? Since sexual attraction is a choice, then each of you had to make an intentional and deliberate choice not to be attracted to men.

The answer is that you did not choose. Your sexual attraction is for the opposite sex and always has been. You have no attraction to the same sex. In fact, it is repulsive for you to imagine sexual activity with the same sex.

Someone who is gay has the same lack of attraction to the opposite sex. They can not choose to be attracted to the opposite sex any more than you could choose to be attracted to the same sex.

Anyhow, that’s my take. Just food for thought.

As much as I appreciate the food for thought, can I have some bacon instead?

[LATB]

For the crowd that states it’s a choice, here’s some food for thought…

If being gay is a choice, the implication is that one can choose not to be attracted to the same sex. Since it’s a choice, they can choose not to be attracted to the same sex.

So, when did you all choose not to be attracted to men? Since sexual attraction is a choice, then each of you had to make an intentional and deliberate choice not to be attracted to men.

The answer is that you did not choose. Your sexual attraction is for the opposite sex and always has been. You have no attraction to the same sex. In fact, it is repulsive for you to imagine sexual activity with the same sex.

Someone who is gay has the same lack of attraction to the opposite sex. They can not choose to be attracted to the opposite sex any more than you could choose to be attracted to the same sex.

Anyhow, that’s my take. Just food for thought.

That's the mental illness part.

Hetrosexual people dont choose, because their attraction to the opposite sex is natural and instinctive.

[Tikiman]

While I think it's hardwired into some people, I also think that they became that way due to early life experiences. "Imprinting" exists and stays with the animal usually for life. I have "imprinted" many foals and those lessons have always stuck with that animal. A horse will remember everything that happens to it for the first 24 hours of life. During that first 24 hours, you pick up the horses' feet many times, you open its mouth and examine the teeth, you put halters on the horse, you look in its ears. All the while making it a good experience for the horse. For the rest of its life, it will remember that and be good about having its hoofs done and its teeth floated. Humans are nothing but animals with a better vocabulary.


I also think the sudden rise in numbers of those choosing that lifestyle is largely being driven due to social pressures to be "special", social media glorifying it, and general desire to be part of a group. I look at the young people who are dying their hair blue and having hog rings installed in their noses and, almost to a tee, they were all repulsive before they had the modifications installed. They seem to figure that if they cannot attract the opposite sex, they will simply form their own freak club and date within that.

[Blademaker]

None of my business, really don't give a shit.
My problem is when queers take it upon themselves to attempt to make me give a shit via the scumbag media/social media blasting their opinions all over the place come June 1.
Whether or not it is a choice isn't for me to decide.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

None of my business, really don't give a shit.
My problem is when queers take it upon themselves to attempt to make me give a shit via the scumbag media/social media blasting their opinions all over the place come June 1.
Whether or not it is a choice isn't for me to decide.

,,, and how insecure do you gotta be that you need an entire ****in’ month to celebrate.

:rofl:

[Don Rickles]

It's all about morals....

"The moral sense refers first and foremost to our predisposition to evaluate some actions as virtuous, or morally good, and others as evil, or morally bad. Morality, thus, consists of the urge or predisposition to judge human actions as either right or wrong in terms of their consequences for other human beings."

Good vs bad...what's to be tested next......?

It, the lifestyle of others, is each a personal choice/decision/mindset/inbred/inherited, whatever. Will all become commonplace, ghey, trans, straight, all mixed up in this crazy place called earth....

I just want my Corvette parade!

[Blademaker]

,,, and how insecure do you gotta be that you need an entire ****in’ month to celebrate.

:rofl:

THIS

[LATB]

,,, and how insecure do you gotta be that you need an entire ****in’ month to celebrate.

:rofl:

Agree
But I think that there is more to it.
The corporations and media and politicians who are pushing and promoting this are not doing so because of insecurities. They have an agenda.

[Onebadcad]

All things in life is what you chose, except for genetic disposition, take ownership, do not blame others!!

[6spdC6]

None of my business, really don't give a shit.
My problem is when queers take it upon themselves to attempt to make me give a shit via the scumbag media/social media blasting their opinions all over the place come June 1.
Whether or not it is a choice isn't for me to decide.

What your lifestyle is, thats your own business (problem?) How about just keeping it to yourself. This continuously sticking it in my face got old quite a while back. I/we do not need to be continually bombarded by all the nonsense I see on TV and especially all the weirdness shown on the news programs.

I have had some dam good gay friends over the years and guess what they do not like this either. About the only way you would know their a bit different is a long time decent relationship with them. One of my bosses I had was gay, he would talk about it with friends only if you brought the subject up. One of the best bosses and basically decent person I knew was gay. He never had a problem being accepted.

[Strats-N-Vettes]

Egg + seed ensures the species survives, and is normal in all beings.
It's called pro-creation.

A person can love the same sex; father + son, brother+ brother, mom, sis, neighbors, friends, cousins, etc...


A life of celibacy is a choice.
Having an intimate relationship with same sex is a choice.
There are heteros that choose not to have kids.
Two cousins banging like gorillas in heat is a choice.
A father inappropriately touching a daughter is a choice.
A teacher taking on the middle school football team is a choice.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

That's the mental illness part.

Hetrosexual people dont choose, because their attraction to the opposite sex is natural and instinctive.

For me, I think of it as an anomaly of nature, versus mental illness. A deviation from the norm, with the norm obviously being heterosexuality. I look at it as crossed wires, I guess. For me, I don’t feel it’s mental illness in the traditional sense.

Personally, I believe that something is happening in vitro.

While I think it's hardwired into some people, I also think that they became that way due to early life experiences. "Imprinting" exists and stays with the animal usually for life. I have "imprinted" many foals and those lessons have always stuck with that animal. A horse will remember everything that happens to it for the first 24 hours of life. During that first 24 hours, you pick up the horses' feet many times, you open its mouth and examine the teeth, you put halters on the horse, you look in its ears. All the while making it a good experience for the horse. For the rest of its life, it will remember that and be good about having its hoofs done and its teeth floated. Humans are nothing but animals with a better vocabulary.


I also think the sudden rise in numbers of those choosing that lifestyle is largely being driven due to social pressures to be "special", social media glorifying it, and general desire to be part of a group. I look at the young people who are dying their hair blue and having hog rings installed in their noses and, almost to a tee, they were all repulsive before they had the modifications installed. They seem to figure that if they cannot attract the opposite sex, they will simply form their own freak club and date within that.

I agree.

Egg + seed ensures the species survives, and is normal in all beings.
It's called pro-creation.

A person can love the same sex; father + son, brother+ brother, mom, sis, neighbors, friends, cousins, etc...


A life of celibacy is a choice.
Having an intimate relationship with same sex is a choice.
There are heteros that choose not to have kids.
Two cousins banging like gorillas in heat is a choice.
A father inappropriately touching a daughter is a choice.
A teacher taking on the middle school football team is a choice.

Correct.

But you’re talking about fulfilling the act versus sexual attraction/orientation.

Everything one does during the day is a choice. I love Chinese food, but I choose not to eat it everyday. :funny:

You can be gay but choose not to have sexual relations just like you can be straight and decide the same. :shrug:





Time to make the donuts. :seeya:

[Strats-N-Vettes]

Correct.
But you’re talking about fulfilling the act versus sexual attraction/orientation.

Everything one does during the day is a choice. I love Chinese food, but I choose not to eat it everyday. :funny:

You can be gay but choose not to have sexual relations just like you can be straight and decide the same. :shrug:



No I'm not.
I am talking about love vs. intimacy.
Sexual attraction is nothing more than lust.


red
No; you can love somebody (same sex) very very dearly and not lust after them/want to be intimate.
Where as; you can love somebody (hetero), be intimate, and procreate.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I have "imprinted" many foals and those lessons have always stuck with that animal. A horse will remember everything that happens to it for the first 24 hours of life. During that first 24 hours, you pick up the horses' feet many times, you open its mouth and examine the teeth, you put halters on the horse, you look in its ears. All the while making it a good experience for the horse. For the rest of its life, it will remember that and be good about having its hoofs done and its teeth floated.

I will argue this all day long. I’ve had a lot of whelps come through this house and from the instant they hit the ground I started handling paws.

I’d say my success rate is about 50/50 when it comes to nails. Some stand there like it’s no big deal and some take four adult men to wrestle for nails.

[Bruze]

It's all about morals....

"The moral sense refers first and foremost to our predisposition to evaluate some actions as virtuous, or morally good, and others as evil, or morally bad. Morality, thus, consists of the urge or predisposition to judge human actions as either right or wrong in terms of their consequences for other human beings."

Good vs bad...what's to be tested next......?

It, the lifestyle of others, is each a personal choice/decision/mindset/inbred/inherited, whatever. Will all become commonplace, ghey, trans, straight, all mixed up in this crazy place called earth....

I just want my Corvette parade!

This ^ is a good post!

It's not about whether the guy next to you is a homo or not, whether the girl with the purple hair and nuts and bolts all over her head is a lesbo or not.

We are under a Marxist assault on Western civilization itself (been going on for decades) which is based on Christianity. Marxists hate our culture, our biological families, our Biblically-based moral sense of right and wrong, of absolute truths and absolute falsehoods.

They want to destroy everything, they want to separate us from our kids and make the kids property of the state so they can properly indoctrinate them when young, without parents "interfering." You can hear them say this, in soft language -- so far.

They believe in moral relativity, meaning it is not always wrong to steal, burn, or kill -- all depending on the ideology of the victim. If you are a conservative, you know what I mean.

So maybe you don't care that your neighbor is a homo, but the movement that normalizes it has the destruction of our civilization as its ultimate goal, and anyone standing in the way will be silenced or crushed.

[Steve_R]

I couldn't possibly care any less what two consenting adults do in private. Just don't force me to celebrate it with a "pride" month, parades, etc. And DON'T forcibly display it in front of children with drag shows, etc.

BTW, what month is set aside to celebrate the 99% of "normal" people? Oh, there isn't one? Weird...

[StaticCling]

I do not believe it is a choice and they are just wired that way, and that's perfectly fine.

I have many gay friends and some I consider "besties", almost like family members. They don't push any agenda on me at all. Heck, with one of my buddies we watch football and drink beer, talk about cars etc and it's just like hanging out with any other dude. Guarantee any of you fools would even know he was gay if you met him.

[Onebadcad]

I am unaware of any genetic studies that show a consistency among those who are gay, if you know more please post,,, thanks.

[Aerovette]

For the crowd that states it’s a choice, here’s some food for thought…

If being gay is a choice, the implication is that one can choose not to be attracted to the same sex. Since it’s a choice, they can choose not to be attracted to the same sex.

So, when did you all choose not to be attracted to men? Since sexual attraction is a choice, then each of you had to make an intentional and deliberate choice not to be attracted to men.

The answer is that you did not choose. Your sexual attraction is for the opposite sex and always has been. You have no attraction to the same sex. In fact, it is repulsive for you to imagine sexual activity with the same sex.

Someone who is gay has the same lack of attraction to the opposite sex. They can not choose to be attracted to the opposite sex any more than you could choose to be attracted to the same sex.

Anyhow, that’s my take. Just food for thought. In most cases I agree with this but I'm sure you are aware of cases where childhood trauma was the source of the switch to the other team.

I did not decide to be hetero. It was decided for me thankfully. I knew before I even started first grade that I liked girls. :D I spent most of my life chasing them. At my current age, I'm better at chasing them away. :Jeff '79:

[MY03C5Z]

I couldn't possibly care any less what two consenting adults do in private. Just don't force me to celebrate it with a "pride" month, parades, etc. And DON'T forcibly display it in front of children with drag shows, etc.

BTW, what month is set aside to celebrate the 99% of "normal" people? Oh, there isn't one? Weird...

:iagree:


I ask my wife all the time when I hear about these special months: ‘So when is straight, normal, hard working white man pride month again?’ Oh right, shut up whitey and get back to work…..

[Unsuspicious]

I am unaware of any genetic studies that show a consistency among those who are gay, if you know more please post,,, thanks.

Genetics aren't the be all end all. My current belief is neonatal environment is responsible for many disorders that aren't genetic errors, including the gay and autism just as many already understand fetal alcohol syndrome not being a genetically based disorder.

I honestly don't think we're that far off from some ****ed up gay scientist figuring out what hormone levels are needed in the pregnant woman to make a gay baby and it will become a choice if a parent wants a gay child.
We're already dealing with the ethics of deaf people intentionally choosing embryos that will become deaf babies.

[GTOguy]

I don't think it's a choice. You're born queer. At least that's how it used to be. My graduating class of HS was like 1200 people. Two were openly gay. This was 1979.

A friend of mine has a daughter who graduated HS in 2019 and he stated 40% of her class identified as gay. His daughter ID's as gay. I don't think she is. She stated the gay kids got special treatment and were not held accountable, so it was an easy choice. And kids go where it's easy. So I think today, in 2023, many who are playing the 'gay' card are not really gay, just too fat and unattractive to get a mate of the opposite sex.

[Mick]

I do not believe it is a choice and they are just wired that way, and that's perfectly fine.

I have many gay friends and some I consider "besties", almost like family members. They don't push any agenda on me at all. Heck, with one of my buddies we watch football and drink beer, talk about cars etc and it's just like hanging out with any other dude. Guarantee any of you fools would even know he was gay if you met him.

Yeah, I've met that guy. You totally think he is straight as an arrow, until one day, you realize his cock tastes like shit more often than not. :shrug:

[PLRX]

All of you that replied to a nOOb troll need to put yourself in check.

A choice or not, if you are attracted to the same sex, you are an oddity. No matter how many surgeries, make up, or anything will allow you to have children or to produce semen. Not CumDog, just semen.

[dvarapala]

,,, and how insecure do you gotta be that you need an entire ****in’ month to celebrate.

:rofl:

:shrug:

The gays saw that the blacks were getting a whole month so they demanded a whole month as well. :D

[Don Rickles]

The irony of taking, a “pole”….:makeout:

[NEED-A-VETTE]

No I'm not.
I am talking about love vs. intimacy.
Sexual attraction is nothing more than lust.


red
No; you can love somebody (same sex) very very dearly and not lust after them/want to be intimate.
Where as; you can love somebody (hetero), be intimate, and procreate.

Sexual attraction is nothing more than lust.

I don't agree with that. I believe there is more involved in sexual attraction.

It will have to be something we just don't agree on. :cheers:

[NEED-A-VETTE]

I am unaware of any genetic studies that show a consistency among those who are gay, if you know more please post,,, thanks.

Genetics aren't the be all end all. My current belief is neonatal environment is responsible for many disorders that aren't genetic errors, including the gay and autism just as many already understand fetal alcohol syndrome not being a genetically based disorder.


I was just about to type this same thought.

There has been some pretty interesting research about homosexuality in men (and even femininity or feminine features for non-homosexual men) based on fraternal birth order. The basic idea is that mothers develop antibodies against a Y-linked protein important in male brain development. The antibodies become more likely with each male pregnancy. They think that this can alter brain structure and impact sexual orientation.

In most cases I agree with this but I'm sure you are aware of cases where childhood trauma was the source of the switch to the other team.

Agreed. I don't think it is the majority of cases, but I do think that a trauma can be severe enough to have impacts. I feel like severe traumas (sexual assault, for example) can impact someone's brain strongly enough to fundamentally change them, their brain chemistry and the way they process life in general. I look at it in the same light as someone suffering from PTSD.

[Bruze]

I do not believe it is a choice and they are just wired that way, and that's perfectly fine.

I have many gay friends and some I consider "besties", almost like family members. They don't push any agenda on me at all. Heck, with one of my buddies we watch football and drink beer, talk about cars etc and it's just like hanging out with any other dude. Guarantee any of you fools would even know he was gay if you met him.

I know a lesbian who will be 80 in August. She likes country/bluegrass music, old cars, and isn't really political although I think she's more in the "clueless" category.

Those people aren't the problem -- it's the radical leftists trying to shove their abnormality down everyone's throat, no pun intended.

[Bruze]

Sexual attraction is nothing more than lust.

I don't agree with that. I believe there is more involved in sexual attraction.

It will have to be something we just don't agree on. :cheers:

For women, you are correct, as far as I can get inside any woman's head.

For men? Sexual attraction is pure lust. Nothing more, nothing less.

Men's #1 test that a prospective mate must pass: The vision test. If they pass that test (and it only takes 1-2 seconds) then we look for other positives. ;)

[jw38]

I have nothing against gay people as long as the keep it to themselves, As for trans I still firmly believe born a male you are a male for born a female you are a female for life only God can change that.:cert:

:iagree: God doesn't make mistakes.

[Strats-N-Vettes]

Sexual attraction is nothing more than lust.
I don't agree with that. I believe there is more involved in sexual attraction.
It will have to be something we just don't agree on. :cheers:




:cert:

[Taurus]

I still think it's not a choice but I think my BIL did make it a choice to get out of conventional relationships with two ex-wives and 7 kids. Just sayin, it was pretty convenient.

[Tikiman]

How much time must he have put into this. Also absolutelly nothing to do with thread topic. Bordering on stalker and voyeurism at this point...:yesnod:

Probably not much time at all since it is a quick query. A little cut and paste work and I could probably do it in under 2 minutes.

But it is good for you to once again take time from your busy and important day to comment - again. :rofl:

[ptindall]

It's all about morals....

"The moral sense refers first and foremost to our predisposition to evaluate some actions as virtuous, or morally good, and others as evil, or morally bad. Morality, thus, consists of the urge or predisposition to judge human actions as either right or wrong in terms of their consequences for other human beings."

Yes. So what is the fundamental difference between the left and right in regards to this issue and many others that causes the right and left to disagree about what is moral? The left believes there are too many people in the world and therefor promotes anything that reduces birthrate. Abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, and focusing women on careers and dissuading motherhood as a path to happiness. Ever wonder why the big, crowded cities are strongly leftist and rural areas are strongly right wing? Maybe it has a lot to do with whether what you experience around you leads you to believe there are too many people and therefor having children is actually bad for the world.

[Sea Six]

Yes. So what is the fundamental difference between the left and right in regards to this issue and many others that causes the right and left to disagree about what is moral? The left believes there are too many people in the world and therefor promotes anything that reduces birthrate. Abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, and focusing women on careers and dissuading motherhood as a path to happiness. Ever wonder why the big, crowded cities are strongly leftist and rural areas are strongly right wing? Maybe it has a lot to do with whether what you experience around you leads you to believe there are too many people and therefor having children is actually bad for the world.

Actually it’s a lot more simple than that.

At this point, the left wants to divide Americans in any way, shape or form as possible.

Left vs right
Pro life gs pro choice
Individuals vs corporations
Straight vs trans
Religious vs non religious
Male vs female
Right to keep and bear arms vs not
Straight vs gay
Black vs white
Brown vs white
North vs south
Black vs brown
Rich vs poor
Culture A vs culture B
Legal immigration vs illegal immigration proponents

… etc.

And if they come up with more, you can believe they will do everything they can to pit one side against the other. Absolutely nothing is off the table… including making pedophiles a victim class… you watch… it’s coming.

And they absolutely will not stop. It will just keep going. And all the while they just sit back and watch us fight amongst ourselves, and applaud and laugh because it’s all by their own design. Meanwhile they will use the animosity and occasional bloodshed as justification for taking away our fundamental rights, until we have none left.

And the one political side that is causing all this division is the political left. The political right is just playing their antagonistic role even as the left rolls out more bullshit to fight over.