Florida is a horrible place to live...

[cptlo306]

Florida is a horrible place to live according to Trump. All those conservative policies that resulted in large numbers of people moving to Florida over the last few years were all bad. All those Republicans in the Florida legislature are horrible people for enacting laws that helped make Florida a more conservative state.

I seriously don't understand how conservatives can support this man any longer. He's using democrat talking points to bash a very successful Republican governor.

https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1649480310050922504


Link to full statement on his website:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/bdcf19e1-cc6e-4fc3-8c5b-c64e4a7707ce

[Steve_R]

Trump, like the Clintons and Obamas, needs to STFU and disappear. Their egos will never allow that.

[Aerovette]

OP totally missed the point.

[cptlo306]

OP totally missed the point.

Please enlighten me. I can't wait to hear this.

[Aerovette]

Please enlighten me. I can't wait to hear this.

You have totally ignored the "Under DeSantis" portion of Trump's rant. You also ignored the "in many areas and for many cohorts" part.

Now, are there any specific data points you dispute or is Trump accurate in his statements?

As a point of reference, Democratic leadership has turned Houston in to a complete shithole...however, it has provided a decent income and other advantages I would not get elsewhere. Trump can both live in Florida and recognize or point out negative changes under DeSantis.

You don't like Trump so if he said it was daylight, you'd find fault with it. That renders your perspective biased and worthless. You lack objectivity so the entire thread is garbage.

[Steve_R]

Trump, like the Clintons and Obamas, needs to STFU and disappear. Their egos will never allow that.

I’m a lifelong conservative and I live in Florida. And I said that. I know some will disagree, but I believe Trump would destroy the Republican Party if it got him 4 more years as POTUS.

[Bruze]

Trump, like the Clintons and Obamas, needs to STFU and disappear. Their egos will never allow that.

Yep. Trump is not a conservative. He has no world view, no ideology, no plumb line. He's like water, he just takes the easiest route down.

He never campaigned on reducing spending and liked every spending bill he ever saw.

And he said something like (as I recall) during the "Red Flag" law debate: "Take their guns first, and worry about due process later."

He did absolutely nothing to stop the riots in 2020 -- he could have invoked The Insurrection Act of 1807. Sure the Deep State would have come down on him like a ton of shit, but they did anyway.

I voted for him twice, and he will probably be known as an important historical figure (for better or for worse) but his time is over.

[dvarapala]

You don't like Trump so if he said it was daylight, you'd find fault with it. That renders your perspective biased and worthless. You lack objectivity so the entire thread is garbage.

Trump doesn't like (i.e. feels threatened by) DeSantis, so if DeSantis said it was daylight Trump would find fault with it. Feel free to follow your own logic. :thumbs:

[cptlo306]

You have totally ignored the "Under DeSantis" portion of Trump's rant. You also ignored the "in many areas and for many cohorts" part.

Now, are there any specific data points you dispute or is Trump accurate in his statements?

As a point of reference, Democratic leadership has turned Houston in to a complete shithole...however, it has provided a decent income and other advantages I would not get elsewhere. Trump can both live in Florida and recognize or point out negative changes under DeSantis.

You don't like Trump so if he said it was daylight, you'd find fault with it. That renders your perspective biased and worthless. You lack objectivity so the entire thread is garbage.

I didn't ignore anything. DeSantis is not a dictator in Florida. All the policies that he signed involved the legislature. Bashing DeSantis is also bashing all those Republicans.

Click on some of the links in his statement and you'll see some of them are left-wing websites.

It is very true that I don't like Trump and that is largely because of stuff like this. Instead of bashing a very popular governor in a very popular state, Trump should be bashing Biden and talk about how Trump will implement policies to help the country. Instead he spends more time bashing DeSantis because he's scared of DeSantis beating him in the primary.

[Aerovette]

I didn't ignore anything. DeSantis is not a dictator in Florida. All the policies that he signed involved the legislature. Bashing DeSantis is also bashing all those Republicans.

Click on some of the links in his statement and you'll see some of them are left-wing websites.

It is very true that I don't like Trump and that is largely because of stuff like this. Instead of bashing a very popular governor in a very popular state, Trump should be bashing Biden and talk about how Trump will implement policies to help the country. Instead he spends more time bashing DeSantis because he's scared of DeSantis beating him in the primary.

Is bashing Trump also bashing all Republicans or is that different?

I'm not Trump's strategist, but I assume he'd like to only fight Biden further down the road as opposed to fighting Biden AND other Republicans. Knock the Republicans out and stand alone to fight Biden one on one. Just a guess.

[cptlo306]

And while I'm bashing Trump, whomever he hired to publish this post on his website should be fired or at least take a class in formatting text correctly. :D

[Aerovette]

Tell me the untruth(s) here...


Florida is “one of the least affordable states” in the country.

“The National Low Income Housing Coalition estimates that a Floridian making $10 an hour must work 86 hours per week just to afford rent on a modest single bedroom home in Florida,” the Trump campaign asserted.


The release then spotlighted rising home prices, contending that three of the 16 most unaffordable metros in the country are in the state (Orlando, Miami and Tampa).

“Florida is now the fourth-most expensive state in the country for health care, and has the highest annual car insurance premiums in the nation,” the Trump campaign said.

Florida ranks in the 10 most expensive states in the continental United States for fuel prices, and in 2023, Florida imposed a new hike on fuel purchases,”

“Under Ron DeSantis, Florida has become one of the worst states” in many areas and for many cohorts, per the Trump campaign.


“In Education, Florida ranks among the worst in the Country and on crime statistics, Florida ranked Third Worst in Murder, Third Worst in Rape, and Third Worst in Aggravated Assault. For 2022, Jacksonville was ranked as one of the Top 25 Major Crime Cities in the Country, with Tampa and Orlando not doing much better,”

“On Education, Florida ranks #39 in Health & Safety in the Country, #50 in Affordability, and #30 in Education & Childcare.

[Yadkin]

I’m a lifelong conservative and I live in Florida. And I said that. I know some will disagree, but I believe Trump would destroy the Republican Party if it got him 4 more years as POTUS.

You and people like you are part of the problem.

[Yadkin]

Floriduh sux because the residents don't know how to drive. /thread

[cptlo306]

Florida is “one of the least affordable states” in the country.

“The National Low Income Housing Coalition estimates that a Floridian making $10 an hour must work 86 hours per week just to afford rent on a modest single bedroom home in Florida,” the Trump campaign asserted.


The National Low Income Housing Coalition is a far left organization. I don't trust their numbers. Do you? Also, the minimum wage in Florida is $11 so the $10/hour thing is pointless. Why is Trump quoting a far left organization.



The release then spotlighted rising home prices, contending that three of the 16 most unaffordable metros in the country are in the state (Orlando, Miami and Tampa).


More people moving to Florida = higher home prices. Simple concept. Not having a state income tax offsets some of that compared to other states.



“Florida is now the fourth-most expensive state in the country for health care, and has the highest annual car insurance premiums in the nation,” the Trump campaign said.


He links to an article on a New York NBC TV station. Seems like there would be better sources if it were all true.



Florida ranks in the 10 most expensive states in the continental United States for fuel prices, and in 2023, Florida imposed a new hike on fuel purchases,”


The linked website has Florida as 11th highest for regular unleaded, 13th highest for mid-grade, and 17th highest for premium. Again, no state income tax offsets some of that.



“In Education, Florida ranks among the worst in the Country and on crime statistics, Florida ranked Third Worst in Murder, Third Worst in Rape, and Third Worst in Aggravated Assault. For 2022, Jacksonville was ranked as one of the Top 25 Major Crime Cities in the Country, with Tampa and Orlando not doing much better,”

“On Education, Florida ranks #39 in Health & Safety in the Country, #50 in Affordability, and #30 in Education & Childcare.


That info is the opinion of a writer at WalletHub.com.

[cptlo306]

You and people like you are part of the problem.

He's right.

[Aerovette]

The National Low Income Housing Coalition is a far left organization. I don't trust their numbers. Do you? Also, the minimum wage in Florida is $11 so the $10/hour thing is pointless. Why is Trump quoting a far left organization.




More people moving to Florida = higher home prices. Simple concept. Not having a state income tax offsets some of that compared to other states.




He links to an article on a New York NBC TV station. Seems like there would be better sources if it were all true.




The linked website has Florida as 11th highest for regular unleaded, 13th highest for mid-grade, and 17th highest for premium. Again, no state income tax offsets some of that.




That info is the opinion of a writer at WalletHub.com. Now we are getting somewhere. It is what you believe and what it seems like. I get it.

Now it isn't Trump's opinion it is some leftist rag?

[Steve_R]

You and people like you are part of the problem.

:lol:

What problem would that be, never voting for a Democrat?

:popcorns:

[cptlo306]

Now we are getting somewhere. It is what you believe and what it seems like. I get it.

Do you agree with all the negatives Trump included?

[Aerovette]

Do you agree with all the negatives Trump included?

I agree with a lot of what Trump says in concept. I don't get too wrapped up in whether something is 11% or 13% of something. It is minutia. I don't let the insignificance of the delta in the data, throw the entire message off track. The message is there are 50 states and of them Florida has high fuel prices. Why does it matter if they rank 10th or rank 11th?

[cptlo306]

I agree with a lot of what Trump says in concept. I don't get too wrapped up in whether something is 11% or 13% of something. It is minutia. I don't let the insignificance of the delta in the data, throw the entire message off track. The message is there are 50 states and of them Florida has high fuel prices. Why does it matter if they rank 10th or rank 11th?

So you are OK with Trump using left-wing talking points and data to bash a very successful Republican governor in addition to all the Republicans in the Florida legislature? Also, all the voters that supported DeSantis and the others by voting Republican last year.

If Biden put out that statement about DeSantis, would you also agree with a lot of what Biden said? Be honest.

[Yadkin]

:lol:

What problem would that be, never voting for a Democrat?

:popcorns:

Not understanding that we are at war with Democrats, and most elected Republicans are still trying to get along with the bastards.

[Aerovette]

So you are OK with Trump using left-wing talking points and data to bash a very successful Republican governor in addition to all the Republicans in the Florida legislature? Also, all the voters that supported DeSantis and the others by voting Republican last year.

If Biden put out that statement about DeSantis, would you also agree with a lot of what Biden said? Be honest.

I am ok with a fact being a fact or an idea being an idea. Right or Left. My allegiance is to doing what is best for the country. I just have never found anyone on the left that was good for the country. If they came along, I would not shit on them for being Left.

If Joy Behar said something I agree with, then it is what it is and I hate that bitch. It does not make a truth that she speaks, suddenly a lie.

[Chemtrails99]

I think this is great. Now even more people will think twice before packing up to move here!

[Steve_R]

I think this is great. Now even more people will think twice before packing up to move here!

Yup, it’s such a horrible place that it’s one of the fastest growing states in the country.

[cptlo306]

I am ok with a fact being a fact or an idea being an idea. Right or Left. My allegiance is to doing what is best for the country. I just have never found anyone on the left that was good for the country. If they came along, I would not shit on them for being Left.

If Joy Behar said something I agree with, then it is what it is and I hate that bitch. It does not make a truth that she speaks, suddenly a lie.

Are you suggesting that all the points in Trump's statement are facts? If so, how did you come to that conclusion?

How is Trump bashing DeSantis and Republican policies doing what is best for the country?

[Aerovette]

Are you suggesting that all the points in Trump's statement are facts? If so, how did you come to that conclusion?

How is Trump bashing DeSantis and Republican policies doing what is best for the country?

I did not come to that conclusion. My only takeaway from it all was that Trump wants to be elected and does not want DeSantis to be elected. The rest is noise. Gas prices being 20 cents higher in Florida vs 19 cents higher is inconsequential. It is campaigning 101. Your guy says stuff, my guy says stuff, your guy responds, my guy responds. Blah blah blah. At the end of the day, running a state and running a country are as different as running a house and running a business.

When I see the Trump ad against DeSantis and he says DeSantis voted to raise retirement to 70 years old, THAT matters. If it is 69 or 71 it doesn't make it better or worse. It is the idea that he even wants to do it.

[cptlo306]

I did not come to that conclusion. My only takeaway from it all was that Trump wants to be elected and does not want DeSantis to be elected. The rest is noise. Gas prices being 20 cents higher in Florida vs 19 cents higher is inconsequential. It is campaigning 101. Your guy says stuff, my guy says stuff, your guy responds, my guy responds. Blah blah blah. At the end of the day, running a state and running a country are as different as running a house and running a business.

When I see the Trump ad against DeSantis and he says DeSantis voted to raise retirement to 70 years old, THAT matters. If it is 69 or 71 it doesn't make it better or worse. It is the idea that he even wants to do it.

So, you believe info presented in ads or statements and base your vote on that without doing actual research to get the facts. Got it. It all makes sense now. Thanks for explaining your thought process.

Also, regarding raising retirement age, Trump was for that too and expressed that entitlements need to be addressed as late as 2020. But you saw an ad with Trump bashing DeSantis for votes he took while in Congress and apparently accepted that as the entire story.

[Aerovette]

So, you believe info presented in ads or statements and base your vote on that without doing actual research to get the facts. Got it. It all makes sense now. Thanks for explaining your thought process.

Also, regarding raising retirement age, Trump was for that too and expressed that entitlements need to be addressed as late as 2020. But you saw an ad with Trump bashing DeSantis for votes he took while in Congress and apparently accepted that as the entire story.

The exact opposite. I don't believe it. That's why those statements don't move the needle. I did in fact, see that DeSantis three times, voted to increase the retirement age. That is fact. What the age he wants it to be, doesn't matter. One is fact, the other is a detail of the fact. The fact in this case, makes the detail irrelevant. Sometimes it is the opposite, the detail is critical and the statement is not. What Trump was "for" is not close to casting a vote THREE TIMES.

[cptlo306]

https://twitter.com/MaxNordau/status/1649523884574781441

[slewfoot]

Trump complains about Florida when he paid $700 in taxes?

[ptindall]

When I see the Trump ad against DeSantis and he says DeSantis voted to raise retirement to 70 years old, THAT matters. If it is 69 or 71 it doesn't make it better or worse. It is the idea that he even wants to do it.

Holy shit, a politician actually willing to do what needs to be done to save social security instead of just ignoring it, knowing it will implode, despite the fact it will make him less popular? THAT is a real leader. The type of person that should be in power.

[LATB]

Trump being Trump. :rofl:

[Aerovette]

Holy shit, a politician actually willing to do what needs to be done to save social security instead of just ignoring it, knowing it will implode, despite the fact it will make him less popular? THAT is a real leader. The type of person that should be in power.

Saving it by banking on the increased likelihood that there will be more deaths and less payout is not a solution. How about the government stop stealing from SS to pay for their pet projects and BS.

Never hear about welfare going broke.

[JRD77VET]

Yep. Trump is not a conservative. He has no world view, no ideology, no plumb line. He's like water, he just takes the easiest route down.

He never campaigned on reducing spending and liked every spending bill he ever saw.

And he said something like (as I recall) during the "Red Flag" law debate: "Take their guns first, and worry about due process later."

He did absolutely nothing to stop the riots in 2020 -- he could have invoked The Insurrection Act of 1807. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807) Sure the Deep State would have come down on him like a ton of shit, but they did anyway.

I voted for him twice, and he will probably be known as an important historical figure (for better or for worse) but his time is over.

:troll:

If you had half a clue as to what is really happening your head would spin.

[cptlo306]

:troll:

If you had half a clue as to what is really happening your head would spin.

Please share your wisdom with us.

[Bill]

:troll:

If you had half a clue as to what is really happening your head would spin.

Some of that is objectively true. Trump is NOT a conservative. He did nothing to stop profligate spending, his idea was to increase tax revenue via a roaring American economy. He did say he might be in favor or a red flag law, although he did nothing but make the offhand statement. He DID, however, ban bump stocks with nothing gained in return. The great negotiator ****ed over his own voters and got NOTHING in return. All of that is objectively true.

I mean, my perfect president would still be Ron Paul, but Trump was as good as we're actually going to get, someone who was able to simply overrun the two party system via sheer force of will and an unlimited bankroll. Ron Paul could never do that.

Trump 2024!

[VITE1]

Florida ranks 27 th in murder rate , 5.9 /100 k

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

18 th for education
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

[VatorMan]

My problem with Trump is he refuses to hire anyone not in DC or NY. Unless it’s some has been from one of his shows. (Amarossa)

He refused to drain the swamp during his rein. Not gonna give him a second chance.

[TheRealBadger]

Trump, like the Clintons and Obamas, needs to STFU and disappear. Their egos will never allow that.

See, we aren’t so far apart.

[TheRealBadger]

You and people like you are part of the problem.

Wrong-o

[Yadkin]

Wrong-o

:Jeff '79:

[Yadkin]

Trump complains about Florida when he paid $700 in taxes?

He probably paid accountants over a million to get that done. And I salute him for that. Because, as I have explained to the IRS at least twice, it is not only my God-given Right, but my Sacred Duty, to fork over a little of my hard-earned cash to the Government as legally possible.

You, as a Democrat, will never understand that. Sadly, same with many, possibly most, Republicans.

[LATB]

My problem with Trump is he refuses to hire anyone not in DC or NY. Unless it’s some has been from one of his shows. (Amarossa)

He refused to drain the swamp during his rein. Not gonna give him a second chance.

I think that’s a mistake. Do you think any other candidate will drain the swamp? Or even try?

How about this…do you think any other candidate will even try to gain public support for the idea of draining the swamp?

I think that if Trump doesn’t win the White House, the idea of draining the swamp will become a memory.

[cptlo306]

I think that’s a mistake. Do you think any other candidate will drain the swamp? Or even try?

How about this…do you think any other candidate will even try to gain public support for the idea of draining the swamp?

I think that if Trump doesn’t win the White House, the idea of draining the swamp will become a memory.


https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1644356537840746497

[cptlo306]

Wait...hold on. Now, a few hours later, Florida is a great state again.

I'm beginning to wonder about his mental state. Dementia?

https://twitter.com/CryptidPolitics/status/1649565199664398336

[Torqaholic]

Florida is a horrible place to live

Don't know about that but it's on my short list of dangerous places to visit.

[mrvette]

Don't know about that but it's on my short list of dangerous places to visit.

Y'z that?? Seems ok to ME.....I live on a hill side typical burb hood about 1/2 way down to the swamp about 3 blocks away........:dance:

[Frankie the Fink]

Yep. Trump is not a conservative. He has no world view, no ideology, no plumb line. He's like water, he just takes the easiest route down.

He never campaigned on reducing spending and liked every spending bill he ever saw.

And he said something like (as I recall) during the "Red Flag" law debate: "Take their guns first, and worry about due process later."

He did absolutely nothing to stop the riots in 2020 -- he could have invoked The Insurrection Act of 1807. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807) Sure the Deep State would have come down on him like a ton of shit, but they did anyway.

I voted for him twice, and he will probably be known as an important historical figure (for better or for worse) but his time is over.

Lots of inaccuracies there, if anybody thinks our current "world view" leader is better get some help. Trump understood the players and how to push their buttons and always put America first, calling out NATO for lack of other nation's support, keeping 'lil Kim at bay, negotiation a conditional Afghanistan withdrawal. And let's not even talk about spending bills with the current goat rope, misnamed bills that are nothing but "green" agendas and wealth redistribution. Invoking the insurrection act to deal with the "summer of love" would have been a mistake an NO President would have done so. It would have been an admission that local authorities weren't up to handling the situations, whether true or not, and would have been a nightmare.

Having said all that Trump, if elected, will bring on 4 more years of gridlock, non-productive drama and more divisiveness, its inevitable.

And Florida, the big cities, at least is changing - all of the moronic nothern refugees from crime, taxes, homelssness are arriving and wonder why Florida isn't more like "home" and haven't lost an iota of their Marxist outlook.

[Frankie the Fink]

Tell me the untruth(s) here...


Florida is “one of the least affordable states” in the country.

“The National Low Income Housing Coalition estimates that a Floridian making $10 an hour must work 86 hours per week just to afford rent on a modest single bedroom home in Florida,” the Trump campaign asserted.


The release then spotlighted rising home prices, contending that three of the 16 most unaffordable metros in the country are in the state (Orlando, Miami and Tampa).

“Florida is now the fourth-most expensive state in the country for health care, and has the highest annual car insurance premiums in the nation,” the Trump campaign said.

Florida ranks in the 10 most expensive states in the continental United States for fuel prices, and in 2023, Florida imposed a new hike on fuel purchases,”

“Under Ron DeSantis, Florida has become one of the worst states” in many areas and for many cohorts, per the Trump campaign.


“In Education, Florida ranks among the worst in the Country and on crime statistics, Florida ranked Third Worst in Murder, Third Worst in Rape, and Third Worst in Aggravated Assault. For 2022, Jacksonville was ranked as one of the Top 25 Major Crime Cities in the Country, with Tampa and Orlando not doing much better,”

“On Education, Florida ranks #39 in Health & Safety in the Country, #50 in Affordability, and #30 in Education & Childcare.
Laughable, $10/hour is not a living wage anywhere, the crime stats are bogus - Florida is WAY down the list in 2023:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state

Cherry picking stats at its finest.

[Torqaholic]

Y'z that?? Seems ok to ME.....I live on a hill side typical burb hood about 1/2 way down to the swamp about 3 blocks away........:dance:

We don't talk to each other at stop lights up here for starters. That's a bit problematic when the other person barely speaks the American language. Not that I mind dying for a good cause but misunderstandings don't qualify and I've already experienced enough of those for one lifetime. Know what I mean?

[mrvette]

We don't talk to each other at stop lights up here for starters. That's a bit problematic when the other person barely speaks the American language. Not that I mind dying for a good cause but misunderstandings don't qualify and I've already experienced enough of those for one lifetime. Know what I mean?

I dunno, my Vette seems to encourage waves and beeps from other drivers, as every time I go to the grocery store, I get about 2-3 beeps/waves/ and maybe once a week an inquiry as to what year is that'.......I grin and say 'What year do you LIKE???' then they go flat footed, and I grin and say it was BORN in '72 but the ONLY thing stock about it is the chrome bumpers......THEN IF they know anything about the car, they are shocked when looking under the hood....

:rofl:

[MikeB]

then they go flat footed, and I grin and say it was BORN in '72 but the ONLY thing stock about it is the chrome bumpers......THEN IF they know anything about the car, they are shocked when looking under the hood....

:rofl:

Born on Date.
Just like Bud Light.
:rofl:

[Bill]

Laughable, $10/hour is not a living wage anywhere, the crime stats are bogus - Florida is WAY down the list in 2023:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state

Cherry picking stats at its finest.

My first job in HS, besides mowing lawns, was for Baskin Robbins, dipping ice cream....a soda jerk, for our older membership. I was, I'm thinking now, paid LESS than minimum wage, and was happy to have the job for spending money. Later, I got a job with a drug store, making the princely, over minimum wage sum of $ 4/hr, and was again happy to get that. Those weren't jobs that were intended to support a family, and I doubt I could have left home with my $ 4/hr job and supported myself.

If you're working an entry level job and all on your own as an adult, you're going to need to face reality. That doesn't pay for you to have kids, that doesn't even pay for you to live by yourself, meaning, you need one or more roommates to split the cost of housing between. College kids have been doing this forever. You get out of that rut by parlaying your experience into better paying positions, or by taking a job that pays more, but requires more.

[BRUIZER]

The number of folks triggered by what others "say" is reason number 4,336 the US is doomed. ****ing pansies!

GET A LIFE!

[Bill]

https://media.patriots.win/post/JGUnlyXn3owO.jpeg

The insanity here is, these wouldn't have been considered hard right, conservative, or even non mainstream ideas even 20 years ago. The insanity is that laws like this are even needed in the first place, or that we even have to discuss this.

I mean, we're at a place in time where we have to argue about why sexually mutilating and sterilizing kids is bad, and why forcing unwanted medical treatment on people is also bad, despite everyone kind of agreeing on that with the Nuremberg Laws.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

My first job in HS, besides mowing lawns, was for Baskin Robbins, dipping ice cream....a soda jerk, for our older membership. I was, I'm thinking now, paid LESS than minimum wage,

I took my first real job -not cutting lawns, etc- at 15. The place was a locally owned grocery/convienance store. Every neighborhood kid worked for Lou. :yesnod: This was 1977 and minimum wage was around $2.50/hour if I remember correctly.

I worked that job through my 1st year of apprenticeship with the Steamfitters. I get up and go to my Steamfitter job at the refinery. If it was Tuesday or Thursday I'd go to night school. If it was Monday, Wednesday or Friday I'd work the grocery store job in the evening.

At the beginning of the second year of my apprenticeship I finally quit the first job I ever had. :Jeff '79:

[cptlo306]

The number of folks triggered by what others "say" is reason number 4,336 the US is doomed. ****ing pansies!

GET A LIFE!

You were triggered by this thread enough to call others pansies and tell them to GET A LIFE.

So, by your definition, you are a ****ing pansy who should GET A LIFE!

[BRUIZER]

You were triggered by this thread enough to call others pansies and tell them to GET A LIFE.

So, by your definition, you are a ****ing pansy who should GET A LIFE!

You gop propagandists crack me up. Just as bad as the leftist nutjobs. No different in fact.

You sling garbage yet NEVER post-up your (failing) parties long-term accomplishments. You just choose to focus on the "supposed" and "imaginitive" negatives of those that refuse to join the cult...it's pathetically laughable!

So where is the recent successful longterm accomplishments of your parties success?
You know, like setting precedence by giving MILLIONS of illegals citizenship.
You know, like signing-on to Obamacare.
Etc etc ad nauseum.
"But but but Truuuuuuuuummmp said!". :rofl:

[cptlo306]

You gop propagandists crack me up. Just as bad as the leftist nutjobs. No different in fact.

You sling garbage yet NEVER post-up your (failing) parties long-term accomplishments. You just choose to focus on the "supposed" and "imaginitive" negatives of those that refuse to join the cult...it's pathetically laughable!

So where is the recent successful longterm accomplishments of your parties success?
You know, like setting precedence by giving MILLIONS of illegals citizenship.
You know, like signing-on to Obamacare.
Etc etc ad nauseum.
"But but but Truuuuuuuuummmp said!". :rofl:

LOL...I guess my post triggered you again. ****ing pansy.

You mistake my disdain for Trump to equal a love for the GOP. That is incorrect. Where have I ever posted anything saying the GOP is awesome? I haven't. Most of them are just as corrupt as the democrats and should be voted out of office.

My disdain for Trump is because I think he can't beat Biden or whomever runs for the dems in 2024 and because I don't like being blatantly lied to by someone that wants to be the most powerful person on the planet. I want a Republican in the white house and Trump is not likely to win (I'd prefer a true conservative, but I'd settle for a Republican given our two party system).

So, again, it may be hard for you to understand, but disliking Trump doesn't make me a shill for the GOP.

[PLRX]

Trump, like the Clintons and Obamas, needs to STFU and disappear. Their egos will never allow that.

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

Trump and Pillow Man are identical. They think that running their suck is what people need/want. Since 2015 Trump has been posting on tweeter, on TV, and the radio everyFngwhere, and I am honestly fed up with him.

A guy talked about this on the radio a few months ago; he used Nixon as an example. Nixon lost the 1960 election, and he vanished. Came out for the 1968 election and won.

Imagine working for Trump, calling you names, insulting you, and calling you at 4:00 AM to check on you. Yes, he did great for our economy, but once he opened his mouth is was blurred.

One thing is for sure, IMO Florida sucks. Yes, I've been there several times, a one-way in and a one-way out. I loved Key West though.

79388

[Bill]

Full Trump speech to Lee County, FL Republicans:

https://rumble.com/v2jqojo-full-speech-president-donald-trump-at-lee-county-gop-dinner-042123.html

[Frankie the Fink]

Hmmm....a few shots of my lakefront across from Disney in Winter Garden, fL

[DJ_Critterus]

As much as I liked what trump did in office, I think it's time for him to step aside and let Desantis have a go at it or run 3rd party.

[mrvette]

As much as I liked what trump did in office, I think it's time for him to step aside and let Desantis have a go at it or run 3rd party.

He runs 3rd party the R's will have NO CHANCE, NUNNNNNNN>>>>>>>>

[cptlo306]

He runs 3rd party the R's will have NO CHANCE, NUNNNNNNN>>>>>>>>

Agreed. The only intent he would have for running 3rd party is to guarantee a Biden win. Him getting on the ballot in enough states to possibly win as a 3rd party candidate would be virtually impossible.

Sadly, I wouldn't put it past him running 3rd party in just one or two states (Texas, Florida) just to screw the Republicans. Even sadder, some Trumpsters would be OK with that.

[Torqaholic]

...
The insanity here is, these wouldn't have been considered hard right, conservative, or even non mainstream ideas even 20 years ago. The insanity is that laws like this are even needed in the first place, or that we even have to discuss this.

I mean, we're at a place in time where we have to argue about why sexually mutilating and sterilizing kids is bad, and why forcing unwanted medical treatment on people is also bad, despite everyone kind of agreeing on that with the Nuremberg Laws.

:yesnod:

Libs are the pied pipers of the 21'st century. Preying on weak and innocent minds. I saw a clip of Trump saying he wants a law that in order to pass a new law two old laws need to be deleted. That's something I can get onboard with, been saying it myself for 45 years.

[BRUIZER]

LOL...I guess my post triggered you again. ****ing pansy.

You mistake my disdain for Trump to equal a love for the GOP. That is incorrect. Where have I ever posted anything saying the GOP is awesome? I haven't. Most of them are just as corrupt as the democrats and should be voted out of office.

My disdain for Trump is because I think he can't beat Biden or whomever runs for the dems in 2024 and because I don't like being blatantly lied to by someone that wants to be the most powerful person on the planet. I want a Republican in the white house and Trump is not likely to win (I'd prefer a true conservative, but I'd settle for a Republican given our two party system).

So, again, it may be hard for you to understand, but disliking Trump doesn't make me a shill for the GOP.


So...it's "emotional"! :rofl: :rofl::rofl:
How pathetic.
Not to mention how gullible one has to be to believe Byedumb won "anything". :funnier:
But feel free to divulge which gop "chosen one" has EVER received more votes than President Trump?
Oh wait...you cant...all you have is emotionally weak false narriative talking points.

[cptlo306]

So...it's "emotional"! :rofl: :rofl::rofl:
How pathetic.

I assume you're referring to me not liking getting lied to. Do you like getting lied to by politicians? Clearly, you also dislike the GOP...is that because they have lied to you and all of us over the years? If your disdain for them also pathetic?


Not to mention how gullible one has to be to believe Byedumb won "anything". :funnier:

Biden is living in the white house. Trump is not. There has been no definitive proof that the election was stolen. Even Trump's own paid research team couldn't find proof. Those are facts.


But feel free to divulge which gop "chosen one" has EVER received more votes than President Trump?
Oh wait...you cant.

Not sure what this has to do with anything. He got the most votes for a Republican but it wasn't enough to beat Biden.


all you have is emotionally weak false narriative talking points.

Trump and his cult followers are the ones sharing weak false narratives like all the stuff Trump posted yesterday.

[BRUIZER]

I assume you're referring to me not liking getting lied to. Do you like getting lied to by politicians? Clearly, you also dislike the GOP...is that because they have lied to you and all of us over the years? If your disdain for them also pathetic?




Biden is living in the white house. Trump is not. There has been no definitive proof that the election was stolen. Even Trump's own paid research team couldn't find proof. Those are facts.




Not sure what this has to do with anything. He got the most votes for a Republican but it wasn't enough to beat Biden.




Trump and his cult followers are the ones sharing weak false narratives like all the stuff Trump posted yesterday.

My disdain for the gop is no different than the dnc; they both have legislated policies for decades effectively destroying the working class long-term health and viability.

Byedumb is in the Whitehouse simply because of voter fraud and the gop's incompetence to do ANYTHING to counter the fraud. No different than thier cowering to the dnc on almost every issue. The mere fact YOU ignore intelligence agencies, the msm, education, entertainment industry, justice department etc etc has been entirely corrupted against the citizens is no surprise considering your emotional outbursts for Truuuuuuuuummmp!

As far as third parties go, a legitimate third party for the true working class would destroy the opposition; in a fair fight.
Hence exactly why so many fear it and have been brainwashed into believing the opposite....out of fear. Thank GOD my ancestors weren't such short-sighted, fearful pussies.

Myself and TENS OF MILLIONS refuse to hold our nose and vote for a party funded by the very ones it's destined to destroy. How f'ing desparate and short sighted does one have to be?

Again, the gop has zero legs to stand on regarding a viable candidates. Your FL boy has a chit-ton of issues and funded by corrupt billionaires. Nothing more than a Bush clone with his face buried in quitter Paul Ryan's crotch. He doesn't even have the courage to file for self interest reasons. Yet SOME believe he'll stand-up and fight for your avg US citizen. :rofl:

[cptlo306]

My disdain for the gop is no different than the dnc; they both have legislated policies for decades effectively destroying the working class long-term health and viability.

Byedumb is in the Whitehouse simply because of voter fraud and the gop's incompetence to do ANYTHING to counter the fraud. No different than thier cowering to the dnc on almost every issue. The mere fact YOU ignore intelligence agencies, the msm, education, entertainment industry, justice department etc etc has been entirely corrupted against the citizens is no surprise considering your emotional outbursts for Truuuuuuuuummmp!

As far as third parties go, a legitimate third party for the true working class would destroy the opposition; in a fair fight.
Hence exactly why so many fear it and have been brainwashed into believing the opposite....out of fear. Thank GOD my ancestors weren't such short-sighted, fearful pussies.

Myself and TENS OF MILLIONS refuse to hold our nose and vote for a party funded by the very ones it's destined to destroy. How f'ing desparate and short sighted does one have to be?

Again, the gop has zero legs to stand on regarding a viable candidates. Your FL boy has a chit-ton of issues and funded by corrupt billionaires. Nothing more than a Bush clone with his face buried in quitter Paul Ryan's crotch. He doesn't even have the courage to file for self interest reasons. Yet SOME believe he'll stand-up and fight for your avg US citizen. :rofl:


Wow....you seem very emotional. Are you OK?


You do realize that Trump is funded by billionaires too, right? You don't think he is self funding, do you?

Funny that you support Trump who loves some RINOs. Look at how much he praised Ryan, McConnell in the past. Heck, look at how much he praised DeSantis (not a RINO) in the past and now he expects people to just ignore all that because he has fooled so many people into thinking he's this great warrior that will drain the swamp and make everything better. Total bullshit, yet you have fallen for it.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

All this discussion about Trump. A guy who has no chance to get re-elected. None. Zero.

[TheRealBadger]

Wow....you seem very emotional. Are you OK?


You do realize that Trump is funded by billionaires too, right? You don't think he is self funding, do you?

Funny that you support Trump who loves some RINOs. Look at how much he praised Ryan, McConnell in the past. Heck, look at how much he praised DeSantis (not a RINO) in the past and now he expects people to just ignore all that because he has fooled so many people into thinking he's this great warrior that will drain the swamp and make everything better. Total bullshit, yet you have fallen for it.

He loves them, until he doesn’t.

The most allegedly duped global leader in history. It is simply shocking how many people have apparently duped him. Almost like he’s a complete moron or something.

[Steve_R]

All this discussion about Trump. A guy who has no chance to get re-elected. None. Zero.

Yup, which is why I said this in the second post of the thread:

Trump, like the Clintons and Obamas, needs to STFU and disappear. Their egos will never allow that.

If Trump was a true conservative who put country above self he’d step aside and be a cheerleader for DeSantis. His ego will never allow that.

[TheRealBadger]

Yup, which is why I said this in the second post of the thread:



If Trump was a true conservative who put country above self he’d step aside and be a cheerleader for DeSantis. His ego will never allow that.

100%

All he is doing is virtually guaranteeing the Dems will win.

Which is fitting since he was a Dem plant to begin with.

[Torqaholic]

...

So did you get a ticket for parking on a yellow curb, or just a warning? :lol:

[LATB]

And everyone of you fukers will vote for Trump should he get the nomination. :rofl:

[Steve_R]

And everyone of you fukers will vote for Trump should he get the nomination. :rofl:

Not quite the same thing, but I’ll vote AGAINST the D candidate.

[TheRealBadger]

And everyone of you fukers will vote for Trump should he get the nomination. :rofl:

And he’ll lose.

[JRD77VET]

Please share your wisdom with us.

President Trump declared a national emergency in 2018, congress did not act on it.

He then did executive order 13848 putting the military in charge.

These are two Tik Tok videos featuring Derek Johnson ( He's also on Rumble and various other social medias) explaining exactly what is going on.

watch first
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRTfm3d8/

then this one
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRTfaLWC/

Also, when biden was "inaugurated" , not only was the time wrong ( 11:45 am instead of 12 noon) but his was actually a Foreign Resident funeral service.
They did NOT play "Hail to the Chief" . military uniforms were incorrect and he did NOT leave on AF1. Also his "dog and pony show" took place in Georgia, NOT DC.

Want me to continue of you just going to do more of your ignorant troll shit AGAIN?

[LATB]

And he’ll lose.

Oh well. There's no way of knowing that another republican will win either. Or ever again.

[2manycars]

And everyone of you fukers will vote for Trump should he get the nomination. :rofl:

Yeah, if Trump is the R nominee, I will vote for him. There is no way on Earth I will pull the lever for a Democrat. Ever.

I will also never believe that Biden was legitimately elected to the presidency. He isn't functionally the president, either. Someone else, or more likely, a group of someone elses is running this whole disgraceful show.

[TheRealBadger]

President Trump declared a national emergency in 2018, congress did not act on it.

He then did executive order 13848 putting the military in charge.

These are two Tik Tok videos featuring Derek Johnson ( He's also on Rumble and various other social medias) explaining exactly what is going on.

watch first
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRTfm3d8/

then this one
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRTfaLWC/

Also, when biden was "inaugurated" , not only was the time wrong ( 11:45 am instead of 12 noon) but his was actually a Foreign Resident funeral service.
They did NOT play "Hail to the Chief" . military uniforms were incorrect and he did NOT leave on AF1. Also his "dog and pony show" took place in Georgia, NOT DC.

Want me to continue of you just going to do more of your ignorant troll shit AGAIN?

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/biden-became-president-at-noon-despite-taking-oath-early-constitutional-experts-say/?amp=1

https://www.meritalk.com/articles/biden-extends-eo-on-foreign-election-interference/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/02/fact-check-meme-9-questions-makes-false-biden-inauguration-claims/4333267001/

[JRD77VET]

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/biden-became-president-at-noon-despite-taking-oath-early-constitutional-experts-say/?amp=1

https://www.meritalk.com/articles/biden-extends-eo-on-foreign-election-interference/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/02/fact-check-meme-9-questions-makes-false-biden-inauguration-claims/4333267001/

Really? Fake News USA Today as a source? Why not list Snopes?

biden is resident of a bankrupt USA CORPORATION

EDIT

Just wait for the Military Trials to start ( be shown) in GITMO.

[2manycars]

Trump needs to remember this 'commandment' from President Reagan:

"Thou shalt not attack a fellow Republican"

[JRD77VET]

Trump needs to remember this 'commandment' from President Reagan:

"Thou shalt not attack a fellow Republican"

Even if they are RINO's / uniparty?

[2manycars]

Even if they are RINO's / uniparty?

Carefully. And not if it helps a Dem.

[cptlo306]

President Trump declared a national emergency in 2018, congress did not act on it.

He then did executive order 13848 putting the military in charge.

These are two Tik Tok videos featuring Derek Johnson ( He's also on Rumble and various other social medias) explaining exactly what is going on.

watch first
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRTfm3d8/

then this one
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRTfaLWC/

Also, when biden was "inaugurated" , not only was the time wrong ( 11:45 am instead of 12 noon) but his was actually a Foreign Resident funeral service.
They did NOT play "Hail to the Chief" . military uniforms were incorrect and he did NOT leave on AF1. Also his "dog and pony show" took place in Georgia, NOT DC.

Want me to continue of you just going to do more of your ignorant troll shit AGAIN?

Wow...just wow. I watched those two videos and a couple more that Derek Johnson are in and that is 10 minutes of my life that were wasted. One video led me to TennerTalk which includes a video arguing that the Earth is flat.

:rofl:

[cptlo306]

Even if they are RINO's / uniparty?

DeSantis is not a RINO. Trump is more of a RINO than DeSantis is.

[cptlo306]

Really? Fake News USA Today as a source? Why not list Snopes?

biden is resident of a bankrupt USA CORPORATION

EDIT

Just wait for the Military Trials to start ( be shown) in GITMO.

:rofl:

[JRD77VET]

Wow...just wow. I watched those two videos and a couple more that Derek Johnson are in and that is 10 minutes of my life that were wasted. One video led me to TennerTalk which includes a video arguing that the Earth is flat.

:rofl:

DeSantis is not a RINO. Trump is more of a RINO than DeSantis is.

:rofl:

:troll:

Won't you be surprised in short order.

:seeya:

[cptlo306]

:troll:

Won't you be surprised in short order.

:seeya:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[BRUIZER]

Trump receives gop endorsements from the majority of Florida’s GOP Congress members. :yesnod:
They must believe FL is a "horrible place to live" as well.
:Jeff '79::Jeff '79:

Pathetic trolls be trollin'.

[JRD77VET]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Where did all the hollywood elites go?

Why did so many big firm execs "retire" ?

You do realize the different state National Guard have been on regular duty for YEARS now.

Why does Joe biden look completely different now from joe biden pre 2015?

Your ignorance is shining bright.

[LATB]

Trump receives gop endorsements from the majority of Florida’s GOP Congress members. :yesnod:
They must believe FL is a "horrible place to live" as well.
:Jeff '79::Jeff '79:

Pathetic trolls be trollin'.

The fair weather Trump supporters are something.

[cptlo306]

Where did all the hollywood elites go?

Why did so many big firm execs "retire" ?

Which Hollywood elites? I don't know of any that have disappeared except those that are getting really old.



Why does Joe biden look completely different now from joe biden pre 2015?

Perhaps because he has aged badly over the last few years. Dude is 80 years old. People that age can change quickly.

[cptlo306]

The fair weather Trump supporters are something.

As are the Trump cultists.

[JRD77VET]

Which Hollywood elites? I don't know of any that have disappeared except those that are getting really old.





Perhaps because he has aged badly over the last few years. Dude is 80 years old. People that age can change quickly.

Ears are different and skull shape different.

Right, you just proved it once again. :troll:

[cptlo306]

Ears are different and skull shape different.

Right, you just proved it once again. :troll:

I can't wait until all this comes to light. Will it mean Trump is immediately made POTUS again? Or wait...is he still POTUS and just hiding out in Florida running the country?

:crazy:

:funniest:

[LATB]

As are the Trump cultists.

Cultists :rofl:

[JRD77VET]

I can't wait until all this comes to light. Will it mean Trump is immediately made POTUS again? Or wait...is he still POTUS and just hiding out in Florida running the country?

:crazy:

:funniest:

Come on, explain how joe changed the shape of his head. :toetap:

[JRD77VET]

Come on, explain how joe changed the shape of his head. :toetap:

One pic has Joe's ear lobs hanging down and the other does not.

Same person? :rofl:

https://media.nbcsandiego.com/2019/09/joe-biden21.jpg?resize=1200%2C675

[Vegas]

Not even close to being the same person

[Bill]

One pic has Joe's ear lobs hanging down and the other does not.

Same person? :rofl:

https://media.nbcsandiego.com/2019/09/joe-biden21.jpg?resize=1200%2C675

What are the odds of two Joe Biden lookalikes both having dementia?

[cptlo306]

One pic has Joe's ear lobs hanging down and the other does not.

Same person? :rofl:

https://media.nbcsandiego.com/2019/09/joe-biden21.jpg?resize=1200%2C675

Bad facelift? Body double? Earpiece implant of some kind?

[Steve_R]

Well, this thread has taken a bizarre twist. Joe Biden isn’t really Joe Biden? Is he a long lost twin? A robot? An alien?

:popcorns:

[TheRealBadger]

Really? Fake News USA Today as a source? Why not list Snopes?

biden is resident of a bankrupt USA CORPORATION

EDIT

Just wait for the Military Trials to start ( be shown) in GITMO.

Really? YouTube meme videos as a source? GTFO with the nonsense.

[TheRealBadger]

Trump needs to remember this 'commandment' from President Reagan:

"Thou shalt not attack a fellow Republican"

Trump is NOT a Republican.

[Frankie the Fink]

Trump is NOT a Republican.
Correct, he is THE Republican...

[TheRealBadger]

Correct, he is THE Republican...

Weird. So you are not a Republican?

[LATB]

Weird. So you are not a Republican?

I am not a republican. Never have been and never will be.

[Frankie the Fink]

Way to deflect.

[cptlo306]

Correct, he is THE Republican...

...that would lose to Biden.



The forum software must have cut off the rest of your post so I added it for you. :seasix:

[TheRealBadger]

I am not a republican. Never have been and never will be.

I wasn’t asking you.

[TheRealBadger]

Way to deflect.

That’s not a deflection at all. It’s a pretty bold statement on your part and I’d like to understand how you plan to defend that.

[GTOguy]

That’s not a deflection at all. It’s a pretty bold statement on your part and I’d like to understand how you plan to defend that.

I suspect Mr. Fink has better things to do with his time. :cert:

79427

[Bill]

...that would lose to Biden.



The forum software must have cut off the rest of your post so I added it for you. :seasix:

This country is doomed, both in the intermediate future, and the long term future. If Trump wins, those 4 years will buy a little breathing room, but the end is the same.....we'll be a non white, non Christian country, the US dollar will no longer be a world reserve currency, the petro dollar, instrumental in giving value to our worthless fiat script, will be over, and our forward facing military, the only other thing that gives the US dollar strength, will not be effective, and won't be able to be maintained. Our empire is setting, just like England's empire disintegrated.

So if Trump doesn't win, we might as well stop even trying to prolong the death spiral and complete our destruction by the one world government, Marxists, etc. Either way, we're screwed, so I'm going out exactly like Michael Moore described in the 2016 election.....defiant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEHekdQSiXg

[Aerovette]

And he’ll lose.

You fail to realize that DeSantis won't win either. NO Republican or Conservative will ever hold office in the the White House again.

That doesn't impact my vote however. I will vote for Trump, or anyone running against this current administration...or I won't vote at all. If I am ever caught voting Lib/Dem, it means a wellness check is in order and I most likely have been dead for a long time.

[TheRealBadger]

You fail to realize that DeSantis won't win either. NO Republican or Conservative will ever hold office in the the White House again.

That doesn't impact my vote however. I will vote for Trump, or anyone running against this current administration...or I won't vote at all. If I am ever caught voting Lib/Dem, it means a wellness check is in order and I most likely have been dead for a long time.

That’s your opinion

[Aerovette]

That’s your opinion

It will change from opinion to fact in 2024, 2028, and for the rest of our lives. This country is LOST.
No path to recovery that any soft hearted Americans will find acceptable. There is a fix, but it requires balls and brute force. Everyone will start boo-hooing about "dictatorship" and other bullshit. The "kids" are pushing mom around and we need dad to enter the picture. Dad doesn't fuk around.

In our current case, we have a step-dad that has married a Chinese bride and DGAS.

[TheRealBadger]

It will change from opinion to fact in 2024, 2028, and for the rest of our lives. This country is LOST.
No path to recovery that any soft hearted Americans will find acceptable. There is a fix, but it requires balls and brute force. Everyone will start boo-hooing about "dictatorship" and other bullshit. The "kids" are pushing mom around and we need dad to enter the picture. Dad doesn't fuk around.

In our current case, we have a step-dad that has married a Chinese bride and DGAS.

Too bad your generation ****ed it up so bad and failed to fix it. But keyboard warriorism will probably save it.

[GTOguy]

Too bad your generation ****ed it up so bad and failed to fix it. But keyboard warriorism will probably save it.

It must suck to be so damned stupid. :yesnod:

[Aerovette]

Too bad your generation ****ed it up so bad and failed to fix it. But keyboard warriorism will probably save it.

Umm, how about "Bullshit"? My generation took it to the sweet spot. Generations after that have seen to it that it was pushed off the cliff.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

It must suck to be so damned stupid. :yesnod:

That boy’s spent too much time sipping’ the juice.

His ENTIRE shtick is a bad troll anyway. Really bad.

[Yadkin]

You fail to realize that DeSantis won't win either. NO Republican or Conservative will ever hold office in the the White House again.


This is 100% correct, because the DNC has figured out how to electronically "win" elections. :(

[Yadkin]

Yeah, if Trump is the R nominee, I will vote for him. There is no way on Earth I will pull the lever for a Democrat. Ever.

I will also never believe that Biden was legitimately elected to the presidency. He isn't functionally the president, either. Someone else, or more likely, a group of someone elses is running this whole disgraceful show.
100% correct.

[TheRealBadger]

Umm, how about "Bullshit"? My generation took it to the sweet spot. Generations after that have seen to it that it was pushed off the cliff.

Wrong-o. Your shitty generation has been in charge for a couple decades. Way to **** it all up.

[TheRealBadger]

It must suck to be so damned stupid. :yesnod:

I know, right? And he just keeps doing it. Head trauma you think?

[TheRealBadger]

This is 100% correct, because the DNC has figured out how to electronically "win" elections. :(

Link?

[Aerovette]

Link?

Move along. No need to pull your head out of the sand. The election was 100% valid and without fraud. Joe Biden is the best President we have ever had as a result of his flawless campaigning and his awesome history and experience in the Senate.

There you go. Everything you believe in one sentence. :yesnod:

[TheRealBadger]

Move along. No need to pull your head out of the sand. The election was 100% valid and without fraud. Joe Biden is the best President we have ever had as a result of his flawless campaigning and his awesome history and experience in the Senate.

There you go. Everything you believe in one sentence. :yesnod:

Link to where I said I believe any of that?

[Aerovette]

Link to where I said I believe any of that?

There is no link. It was garnered from your repeated trolling posts.

Check your post history if verification is desired.

[TheRealBadger]

There is no link. It was garnered from your repeated trolling posts.

Check your post history if verification is desired.

Don’t need to. I never said those things. You want them to be true so you’ll feel better about yourself, but they aren’t.

Keep trolling, troll.

[Yadkin]

Link?

fbi.gov

[Yadkin]

Any proof of your claim? Are you sayingl the election was rigged, stolen. etc.

The proof is that Joe Biden is in the White House.

[Aerovette]

Don’t need to. I never said those things. You want them to be true so you’ll feel better about yourself, but they aren’t.

Keep trolling, troll.

I don't give a fk if you said them or not. It doesn't make any of it less applicable.

It doesn't make me feel one way or the other. I think you are a tard whether you said them or not.

[Steve_R]

If nobody ever replied to an obvious troll the obvious troll would get bored and leave.

[Aerovette]

If nobody ever replied to an obvious troll the obvious troll would get bored and leave.

And if no one reminds him he's fkng stupid troll, he'll think he isn't.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

If nobody ever replied to an obvious troll the obvious troll would get bored and leave.

Obvious troll has earned it.

[Bill]

And if no one reminds him he's fkng stupid troll, he'll think he isn't.

Obvious troll has earned it.

STS II: :badger: Boogaloo?

[TheRealBadger]

And if no one reminds him he's fkng stupid troll, he'll think he isn't.

Cry. It. Out.

[TheRealBadger]

I don't give a fk if you said them or not. It doesn't make any of it less applicable.

It doesn't make me feel one way or the other. I think you are a tard whether you said them or not.

So, I didn’t say any of it, but you projected it on me so it must be true.

Man, you just feel pretty shitty about yourself. I’d suggest counseling, but I’m not sure Medicare covers that.

[Yadkin]

Cry. It. Out.

That's what you do, and will be crying harder once I drain the Social Security system. I am dedicating all of those dollars to luxury items only.

[TheRealBadger]

That's what you do, and will be crying harder once I drain the Social Security system. I am dedicating all of those dollars to luxury items only.

You think I'm going to get Social Security? And you think if I don't it will impact me even a tiny bit?

You haven't been paying attention.

[Aerovette]

So, I didn’t say any of it, but you projected it on me so it must be true.


Yes. It is true. I said so. Prove me wrong.

You can't. Therefore, I am not wrong. Simple.

[TheRealBadger]

Yes. It is true. I said so. Prove me wrong.

You can't. Therefore, I am not wrong. Simple.

I know you believe that

[cptlo306]

Trump bashing Florida and DeSantis isn't going so well.

Trump jokes about DeSantis during Florida Lincoln-Reagan dinner fall flat
https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2023/04/23/trump-jokes-about-desantis-during-florida-lincoln-reagan-dinner-fall-flat-n545826

[Yadkin]

You think I'm going to get Social Security? And you think if I don't it will impact me even a tiny bit?

You haven't been paying attention.
That's not what I said. You're not paying attention. :nono:

[Bill]

Trump bashing Florida and DeSantis isn't going so well.

Trump jokes about DeSantis during Florida Lincoln-Reagan dinner fall flat
https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2023/04/23/trump-jokes-about-desantis-during-florida-lincoln-reagan-dinner-fall-flat-n545826

Good. Trump needs pushback from his own supporters when he's wrong. It took several crowds booing him when he bragged about Warp Speed for him to finally figure out that, while the advent of the experimental injections gave some of the populace the false courage to begin running the country again, it was only a success for its placebo effect, and in actuality, has caused as much or more harm than it might have prevented.

Attacking DeSantis, the conservative governor of the state he lives in....it's non productive or worse. He ran and won as a true outsider, and most Americans can now see that he actually WAS an outsider, as no one can recall seeing bullshit plot after plot, attack after attack, on a president even after he is out of office. Americans love the underdog, love a comeback story.....I think the constant, unrelenting attacks on Trump even now will swing middle of the road voters to Trump, especially when they take stock of their lives, of what's going on in their communities, their country, etc.

Reagan asked, "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" Most of America won't be able to pretend they were better off under Brandon. I mean, people have to go to the grocery store, pay for utilities and fuel, and buy other necessities to live.....every time they pay a bill, it's a reminder of how things are now....demonstrably worse than they were.

[Aerovette]

Good. Trump needs pushback from his own supporters when he's wrong. It took several crowds booing him when he bragged about Warp Speed for him to finally figure out that, while the advent of the experimental injections gave some of the populace the false courage to begin running the country again, it was only a success for its placebo effect, and in actuality, has caused as much or more harm than it might have prevented.

Attacking DeSantis, the conservative governor of the state he lives in....it's non productive or worse. He ran and won as a true outsider, and most Americans can now see that he actually WAS an outsider, as no one can recall seeing bullshit plot after plot, attack after attack, on a president even after he is out of office. Americans love the underdog, love a comeback story.....I think the constant, unrelenting attacks on Trump even now will swing middle of the road voters to Trump, especially when they take stock of their lives, of what's going on in their communities, their country, etc.

Reagan asked, "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" Most of America won't be able to pretend they were better off under Brandon. I mean, people have to go to the grocery store, pay for utilities and fuel, and buy other necessities to live.....every time they pay a bill, it's a reminder of how things are now....demonstrably worse than they were.


What if Trump is dead on that DeSantis would not be a good choice? While he could be mistaken or have erroneous data, it does not mean he is incorrect about DeSantis' politics or motivations. Remember, there was a time when Crenshaw was seen as being Conservative and patriotic and he has fallen in to the swamp. Black Rifle Coffee was held up as a Right-wing business and that also proved to be incorrect.

[cptlo306]

What if Trump is dead on that DeSantis would not be a good choice? While he could be mistaken or have erroneous data, it does not mean he is incorrect about DeSantis' politics or motivations. Remember, there was a time when Crenshaw was seen as being Conservative and patriotic and he has fallen in to the swamp. Black Rifle Coffee was held up as a Right-wing business and that also proved to be incorrect.

And what if Trump is wrong about DeSantis and he becomes an awesome POTUS? We know what Trump will do since he was POTUS for 4 years. Some of that was good (although most of the good wasn't lasting)...some not so much.

Which is a higher risk? Trump with his high negatives with independents going up against Biden (or Newsom or ?) or DeSantis going up against Biden (or Newsom or ?). Most polls show DeSantis doing better against Biden than Trump.

[Aerovette]

And what if Trump is wrong about DeSantis and he becomes an awesome POTUS? We know what Trump will do since he was POTUS for 4 years. Some of that was good (although most of the good wasn't lasting)...some not so much.

Which is a higher risk? Trump with his high negatives with independents going up against Biden (or Newsom or ?) or DeSantis going up against Biden (or Newsom or ?). Most polls show DeSantis doing better against Biden than Trump.

DeSantis is the higher risk in my opinion. I don't dislike him. I am answering your question though.

[BRUIZER]

Trump bashing Florida and DeSantis isn't going so well.

Trump jokes about DeSantis during Florida Lincoln-Reagan dinner fall flat
https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2023/04/23/trump-jokes-about-desantis-during-florida-lincoln-reagan-dinner-fall-flat-n545826

Trump has already locked-in the majority of GOP senators IN FLORIDA!

It appears they have a far FAR better grasp on reality than the #nevertrumptards (https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=nevertrumptards) from out-of-state.

[Bill]

And what if Trump is wrong about DeSantis and he becomes an awesome POTUS? We know what Trump will do since he was POTUS for 4 years. Some of that was good (although most of the good wasn't lasting)...some not so much.

Which is a higher risk? Trump with his high negatives with independents going up against Biden (or Newsom or ?) or DeSantis going up against Biden (or Newsom or ?). Most polls show DeSantis doing better against Biden than Trump.


DeSantis may yet make a good president in the future. But for 2024, I want Sampson in office. Trump really thought his pro-America, populist policies, would bring the institutional state to his side. He knows better now. He understands how things work, and he knows up front there is no working with those people, only a fight, one that Trump is particularly suited to win. He definitely has the motivation.

I want revenge Trump; I want vengeance Trump. I want Sampson, pushing down the pillars of the same institutional state that assassinated Kennedy. He may not be able to win that fight, but I believe he's our only shot. I also believe God uses imperfect people to do things that seem impossible.

http://www.theinterpretersfriend.org/jushscrpts/jewish-bible/samson.gif

[Aerovette]

I want revenge Trump; I want vengeance Trump. I want Sampson, pushing down the pillars of the same institutional state that assassinated Kennedy. He may not be able to win that fight, but I believe he's our only shot. I also believe God uses imperfect people to do things that seem impossible.

http://www.theinterpretersfriend.org/jushscrpts/jewish-bible/samson.gif

:cert::cert::cert::cert::cert:

[Onebadcad]

As I have said in here multiple times, DeSantis will not run UNLESS HE FEELS HE CAN WIN.
As of today, nothing tells me he can win.
If he cannot win, he will wait until 2026 to announce he will run in 2028, this allows him to do so without being GOV of Florida.

If he ran for 2024 and lost to Trump, which ALL polls say he would, he would greatly harm his 2028 odds.

Trump will win Pub Nominiation.
Trump will lose to biden, as many pubs will not vote for Trump, and again they are thanked by the un-American Socialist Party for being selfish and sheeple for the msm, and allowing the socialists to continue to destroy THEIR country.

And lastly, if these types will not vote for Trump, who do they present as the candidate to beat the socialists,,, please list up, as I need some Monday humor.

[cptlo306]

As I have said in here multiple times, DeSantis will not run UNLESS HE FEELS HE CAN WIN.
As of today, nothing tells me he can win.
If he cannot win, he will wait until 2026 to announce he will run in 2028, this allows him to do so without being GOV of Florida.

If he ran for 2024 and lost to Trump, which ALL polls say he would, he would greatly harm his 2028 odds.

Trump will win Pub Nominiation.
Trump will lose to biden, as many pubs will not vote for Trump, and again they are thanked by the un-American Socialist Party for being selfish and sheeple for the msm, and allowing the socialists to continue to destroy THEIR country.

And lastly, if these types will not vote for Trump, who do they present as the candidate to beat the socialists,,, please list up, as I need some Monday humor.

Not ALL polls are showing Trump ahead. I've seen some state polls that show DeSantis winning. Also, keep in mind that DeSantis isn't even an official candidate yet.

Speaking of polls, most national polls do show Trump losing to Biden, but DeSantis beating Biden.

[Onebadcad]

Not ALL polls are showing Trump ahead. I've seen some state polls that show DeSantis winning. Also, keep in mind that DeSantis isn't even an official candidate yet.

Speaking of polls, most national polls do show Trump losing to Biden, but DeSantis beating Biden.

Please post up these polls I am unfamiliar with.

I have no problem voting for DeSantis, he is my governor.

I have a problem with rinos not supporting the party's candidate, this is an unforgivable crime, as it takes us to where we are today, the ruination of this Great Nation, partly due to mean tweets agreed up by twats.

[dvarapala]

be5rCIPXF7U

[dvarapala]

DeSantis may yet make a good president in the future. But for 2024, I want Sampson in office.

IOW you want a guy who brings a stone temple crashing down on himself and dies? :shrug:

[Onebadcad]

be5rCIPXF7U

Did not watch, will assume he learned a lot AFTER the purchase.
As an adult, when you make decisions, specifically the larger decisions, you should ask all your questions upfront.

For every person regretting their move to FL because of their stupidity, there are at least 10,000 others whose only regret is they did not move here sooner.

[TheRealBadger]

DeSantis may yet make a good president in the future. But for 2024, I want Sampson in office. Trump really thought his pro-America, populist policies, would bring the institutional state to his side. He knows better now. He understands how things work, and he knows up front there is no working with those people, only a fight, one that Trump is particularly suited to win. He definitely has the motivation.

I want revenge Trump; I want vengeance Trump. I want Sampson, pushing down the pillars of the same institutional state that assassinated Kennedy. He may not be able to win that fight, but I believe he's our only shot. I also believe God uses imperfect people to do things that seem impossible.

http://www.theinterpretersfriend.org/jushscrpts/jewish-bible/samson.gif

So when Vengenance Trump burns down Washington with god-like wrath, and then is out of office….then what?

[Onebadcad]

So when Vengenance Trump burns down Washington with god-like wrath, and then is out of office….then what?

Name all the things in corrupt dc that are worth saving,,, thanks.

[TheRealBadger]

Name all the things in corrupt dc that are worth saving,,, thanks.

That’s not what I said. Stop trolling. Answer the question.

[Onebadcad]

That’s not what I said. Stop trolling. Answer the question.

Your lack of comprehension is unsurpassed.

Your make comment, stating what Trump may do:

So when Vengenance Trump burns down Washington with god-like wrath, and then is out of office….then what?

You words say this will be bad, so why would it be bad to drain the swamp, I am all for it.

To answer your question, DeSantis can then fill in for the next eight years and return THE USA to how it was under the REAGAN years.

Without Trump in 2024, and DeSantis to follow for eight years, the country will be lost, as socialists will make this a one-party nation, with:

1) stuffing the SCOTUS
2) making dc and pr states
3) lowering the voting age to 16
4) eliminating the fillibuster and allowing for simple majority votes in senate
5) increase illegals to 10+M/year

So, again, what would you save in dc??

[Steve_R]

That’s not what I said. Stop trolling. Answer the question.

Ah, the sweet, sweet irony of you typing that. :Jeff '79:

[cptlo306]

Please post up these polls I am unfamiliar with.


https://twitter.com/WJoshLee/status/1649905147676618752

https://twitter.com/robertblizzard/status/1649357473713729537

https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1649376165197381632

https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1648053748088946688

https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1649406641480036355

https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1649367719458766851

[LATB]

So when Vengenance Trump burns down Washington with god-like wrath, and then is out of office….then what?

That’s not going to happen.

But he may be successful in reducing the size of many agencies and eliminating others. Unelected bureaucrats and lobbyists have way too much powers over the corrupt agencies and lawmakers.

[Steve_R]

That’s not going to happen.

But he may be successful in reducing the size of many agencies and eliminating others. Unelected bureaucrats and lobbyists have way too much powers over the corrupt agencies and lawmakers.


He had four years and didn't do much reducing the size of many agencies, or eliminating others, so what makes you believe he'd do it in a second term? :shrug:

[cptlo306]

He had four years and didn't do much reducing the size of many agencies, or eliminating others, so what makes you believe he'd do it in a second term? :shrug:

His first term was all about exposing the deep state. That is why he hired so many of them to run the country. :rofl:

[TheRealBadger]

That’s not going to happen.

But he may be successful in reducing the size of many agencies and eliminating others. Unelected bureaucrats and lobbyists have way too much powers over the corrupt agencies and lawmakers.

Agree. Like that a lot.

But the comments have been about wiping out everything. And then what?

[TheRealBadger]

His first term was all about exposing the deep state. That is why he hired so many of them to run the country. :rofl:

He was duped. The most duped man in the history of man.

[Onebadcad]

These polls are MUCH different:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/nbc-news-poll-nearly-70-gop-voters-stand-trump-indictment-investigatio-rcna80917

A whopping two-thirds of Republican primary voters say they stand behind former President Donald Trump and dismiss concerns about his electability, despite his recent criminal arrest and other legal investigations into his past conduct, a new national NBC News poll finds.

https://www.benzinga.com/news/23/04/31947169/trump-vs-desantis-new-poll-shows-odds-heavily-in-favor-of-one-but-other-has-better-chance-of-beating

Trump clearly leads the pack in a potential field of 12 Republican candidates, snagging 48% support from Republican primary voters as opposed to 24% for runner-up and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, the poll found.

The results were based on a survey of 600 likely Republican primary voters that was conducted between April 11-17.

Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley is a distant third with 5% support, followed by 3% for Senator Tim Scott and 2% for entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy. All three have announced their candidacy for the presidency. The rest of the contenders received less than 1% of votes each. Approximately 13% of respondents said they were still undecided.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-desantis-national-polls/

FiveThirtyEight is launching our national polling average for the 2024 Republican presidential primary. It shows former President Donald Trump receiving 49.3 percent of the national vote and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (who has not officially entered the race) receiving 26.2 percent. Former Vice President Mike Pence, another potential candidate, is at 5.8 percent, while declared candidate and former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley is at 4.3 percent.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-widens-lead-2024-republican-presidential-primary-2023-04-03/

WASHINGTON, April 3 (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Donald Trump has widened his lead over his rivals in the 2024 Republican presidential nominating contest, even as he faces criminal charges in New York, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Monday.

Some 48% of self-described Republicans say they want Trump to be their party's presidential nominee, up from 44% in a March 14-20 poll.

Some 19% back his closest rival, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, down from 30% last month. Other likely rivals polled in the single digits.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3962483-trump-surges-to-13-point-lead-over-desantis-poll/

Former President Trump has flipped the field against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in a possible 2024 GOP primary matchup, surging to a 13-point lead, according to a new Wall Street Journal poll.

Trump trailed DeSantis by 14 points as recently as December, but Trump’s solid lead now points to signs that DeSantis’s not-yet-announced campaign may be losing momentum.

[Yadkin]

DeSantis may yet make a good president in the future. But for 2024, I want Sampson in office. Trump really thought his pro-America, populist policies, would bring the institutional state to his side. He knows better now. He understands how things work, and he knows up front there is no working with those people, only a fight, one that Trump is particularly suited to win. He definitely has the motivation.

I want revenge Trump; I want vengeance Trump. I want Sampson, pushing down the pillars of the same institutional state that assassinated Kennedy. He may not be able to win that fight, but I believe he's our only shot. I also believe God uses imperfect people to do things that seem impossible.

http://www.theinterpretersfriend.org/jushscrpts/jewish-bible/samson.gif


I'd lend him my ax. :yesnod:

[Aerovette]

He had four years and didn't do much reducing the size of many agencies, or eliminating others, so what makes you believe he'd do it in a second term? :shrug:

Yeah well, he may have been a bit distracted.

[Bill]

IOW you want a guy who brings a stone temple crashing down on himself and dies? :shrug:

Well, it was unfortunate that Sampson died, but you have to admire his level of commitment to the cause. Obviously I see Trump as committed to the cause, but hope he, unlike Sampson, survives.

[Learpilot]

That’s not what I said. Stop trolling. Answer the question.

Ah, the sweet, sweet irony of you typing that. :Jeff '79:

Exactly

[Bill]

Name all the things in corrupt dc that are worth saving,,, thanks.

All the national monuments and the various Smithsonian museums come to mind. Of course, the Smithsonian folks who came up with this bullshit need to be yeeted from the city:

https://i.redd.it/ctj2317739b51.png

Edit: Historic St. John's Church, which Trump personally saved from being burned down by the Summer of Floyd rioters....that's also worth saving.....AGAIN. Note that Trump was chastised not only by the usual suspects for that, but was ALSO chastised by the clergy responsible FOR that church. I mean, damn, they clearly don't understand being good stewards. They'd prefer to see their workplace, the place they've been made stewards of, they'd prefer to see asshole rioters burn it down vs. Trump putting foot to ass and restoring law and order in the face of lawlessness.

[Learpilot]

Well, it was unfortunate that Sampson died, but you have to admire his level of commitment to the cause. Obviously I see Trump as committed to the cause, but hope he, unlike Sampson, survives.

He had better hire more security because when all the lawsuits fail there is little else.

[Aerovette]

https://i.redd.it/ctj2317739b51.png

Works for me. A few "heavy" statements, but in general this is how it should be.

[Bill]

He had better hire more security because when all the lawsuits fail there is little else.

That's how they got Kennedy when he threatened to break up the CIA into a thousand pieces and cast it to the wind.

[PLRX]

All this discussion about Trump. A guy who has no chance to get re-elected. None. Zero.

:iagree:

I listened to Levin's podcast about an hour ago, and he came on. I walked away from my Bluetooth speaker.

IMO, with all honesty, I can give-

What's the GOP plan or agenda? Do they have one?

As I get older, I get wiser; I'm not voting unless a new and younger man or woman wins the primary.

Sadly, millions will vote for Biden, a senile vegetable that needs to get drugs to speak for three minutes. His teleprompter ought to be the size of a movie theater.

[LATB]

Biden will be re-elected. If DeSantis is smart he’ll stay the fuk away from it all.

The Republic is done.

[Frankie the Fink]

:iagree:

I listened to Levin's podcast about an hour ago, and he came on. I walked away from my Bluetooth speaker.

IMO, with all honesty, I can give-

What's the GOP plan or agenda? Do they have one?

As I get older, I get wiser; I'm not voting unless a new and younger man or woman wins the primary.

Sadly, millions will vote for Biden, a senile vegetable that needs to get drugs to speak for three minutes. His teleprompter ought to be the size of a movie theater.
GOP plan ? Status quo no matter who is POTUS, we now have a "uniparty"... zany MTG notwithstanding, there are few firebrands trying to really change things, Jordan and some others make a lot of noise but nothing more.

[Yadkin]

GOP plan ? Status quo no matter who is POTUS, we now have a "uniparty"... zany MTG notwithstanding, there are few firebrands trying to really change things, Jordan and some others make a lot of noise but nothing more.

Sad but true.

[GTOguy]

Biden will be re-elected. If DeSantis is smart he’ll stay the fuk away from it all.

The Republic is done.

That's because the takers are permitted to vote. So they'll vote for more free stuff. Santa Claus will always win as long as he has toys to hand out to the kiddies. :seasix:

[Onebadcad]

Biden will be re-elected. If DeSantis is smart he’ll stay the fuk away from it all.

The Republic is done.

The gop is loaded with dumbarses, they will spend $1B, or more, in 2024 on tv and radio spots.
This crap does not work, less than 1% of voters are influenced by a tv ad, most change channels.

This money needs to be spent today mailing brochures to every registered pub voter in the country, and repeated every three months, and then again in AUG SEP OCT 2024. This marketing can also be sent to independent voters.
From the voter rolls you can get name and addresses.
You can drop in bulk, which is much cheaper than first-class mail.

When you view the 2020 results, Trump could have easily won if the pub-registered turnout was higher:

1) Arizona lost by 10K votes, 3.35M cast
2) Georgia lost by 11K votes, 4.93M cast
3) Penn lost by 83K votes, 6.83M cast
4) Wisconsin lost by 20K votes, 3.24M cast
5) Nevada lost by 34K votes, 1.37M cast

Pubs bitched about the mail-ins, they knew this would happened, but failed to put together the resources to match the effort, as they probably ran out of cash paying for stupid TV ads.

Pubs also were concerned with ballot harvesting and polling place fraud, but did very little to monitor.

This is simple, you need to ensure your registered voters vote, you can monitor this up through election day, while contacting those who have yet to vote.

Spending a $1B+ in ads during the primaries and general election is old school, the old school strategy failed in 2020, it will again fail in 2024.

Tell the rnc to call me, I have lots more to offer, but I am not cheap.

[TheRealBadger]

The gop is loaded with dumbarses, they will spend $1B, or more, in 2024 on tv and radio spots.
This crap does not work, less than 1% of voters are influenced by a tv ad, most change channels.

This money needs to be spent today mailing brochures to every registered pub voter in the country, and repeated every three months, and then again in AUG SEP OCT 2024. This marketing can also be sent to independent voters.
From the voter rolls you can get name and addresses.
You can drop in bulk, which is much cheaper than first-class mail.

When you view the 2020 results, Trump could have easily won if the pub-registered turnout was higher:

1) Arizona lost by 10K votes, 3.35M cast
2) Georgia lost by 11K votes, 4.93M cast
3) Penn lost by 83K votes, 6.83M cast
4) Wisconsin lost by 20K votes, 3.24M cast
5) Nevada lost by 34K votes, 1.37M cast

Pubs bitched about the mail-ins, they knew this would happened, but failed to put together the resources to match the effort, as they probably ran out of cash paying for stupid TV ads.

Pubs also were concerned with ballot harvesting and polling place fraud, but did very little to monitor.

This is simple, you need to ensure your registered voters vote, you can monitor this up through election day, while contacting those who have yet to vote.

Spending a $1B+ in ads during the primaries and general election is old school, the old school strategy failed in 2020, it will again fail in 2024.

Tell the rnc to call me, I have lots more to offer, but I am not cheap.

TV and Digital is old schools, but snail mail is what, cutting edge?

Shit, I don’t think I go to mailbox more than once every 3 weeks and then throw 90% of it straight in the trash.

[TheRealBadger]

That's because the takers are permitted to vote. So they'll vote for more free stuff. Santa Claus will always win as long as he has toys to hand out to the kiddies. :seasix:

Takers are government subsidy folk? Like SS and Medicare recipients?

[PLRX]

GOP plan ? Status quo no matter who is POTUS, we now have a "uniparty"... zany MTG notwithstanding, there are few firebrands trying to really change things, Jordan and some others make a lot of noise but nothing more.

:iagree:

They love to be interviewed on radio stations for years, and nothing gets changed. Like libs bitching about guns, taxes, and employment.

I say the GOP but a few are undercover Democrats.

[Onebadcad]

TV and Digital is old schools, but snail mail is what, cutting edge?

Shit, I don’t think I go to mailbox more than once every 3 weeks and then throw 90% of it straight in the trash.

I failed to add emails as a contact source.

GOP needs to change it up, copy the things that worked for the socialists, repeating the same template is stupid and a guaranteed loss.

Again, do not wait until AUG 2024, it needs to start now.

[Yadkin]

Takers are government subsidy folk? Like SS and Medicare recipients?

We paid for these and will milk the system dry. :D