I mean, it's really hard to argue against this....

[Bill]

https://media.patriots.win/post/NvZAeviYzOPZ.jpeg

[LATB]

The country was better when only white men who owned land and believed in God voted. Sorry if this offends you but it is a fact.

[Aerovette]

Cool. Since I'll be the only one voting, who would you like me to elect?

[Yadkin]

A far simpler plan, those who can vote:
Those who pay more in taxes then checks they receive from the government.

[cptlo306]

The country was better when only white men who owned land and believed in God voted. Sorry if this offends you but it is a fact.

Racist and sexist. Interesting.

[Chuck A]

A far simpler plan, those who can vote:
Those who pay more in taxes then checks they receive from the government.

very agreeable indeed:)

[Taurus]

Although I believe every American should get to vote, I sometimes think people with certain entitlements should be exempt because there’s a definite conflict of interest.

[Torqaholic]

Send them all to Australia where it's illegal not to vote.

[Vette40th]

The sooner the left gets what it wants, the sooner we can say, "See how fubard this shit is". Because its coming. We the conservatives refuse to fight back or use their tactics to fight.

[LATB]

Racist and sexist. Interesting.

Sorry if the historical facts offend.

[6spdC6]

Also people with hyphenated last names. Double so for black females!

[DJ_Critterus]

The sooner the left gets what it wants, the sooner we can say, "See how fubard this shit is". Because its coming. We the conservatives refuse to fight back or use their tactics to fight.

WTF are you talking about? We are already at that stage minus the gun confiscation.

[TheHammer]

The country was better when only white men who owned land and believed in God voted. Sorry if this offends you but it is a fact.

:iagree:

[Yadkin]

Although I believe every American should get to vote, I sometimes think people with certain entitlements should be exempt because there’s a definite conflict of interest.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Ben Franklin

[sublime1996525]

The country was better when only white men who owned land and believed in God voted. Sorry if this offends you but it is a fact.

So you think America was better in the 1910’s than it is now? Not sure I’d agree lol.

[6spdC6]

So you think America was better in the 1910’s than it is now? Not sure I’d agree lol.

1910s too early for me, but I remember well the 1950s and things were much better in our country then.

Born mid 40s and this is far from the same country I remember! Country started a serious death spiral in the early 1960s and the pace is accelerating!:halfmast:

[Tikiman]

So you think America was better in the 1910’s than it is now? Not sure I’d agree lol.


Pretty sure there weren't tampon dispensers in the boy's bathrooms and drag queens reading story books to six year olds.

[Taurus]

Pretty sure there weren't tampon dispensers in the boy's bathrooms and drag queens reading story books to six year olds.

You are correct, but there were white and colored drinking fountains, entrances, dining rooms etc..

Not sure that made America a better place, there are too many trade offs.

[Yadkin]

You are correct, but there were white and colored drinking fountains, entrances, dining rooms etc..

Not sure that made America a better place, there are too many trade offs.

Most black kids had two parents back then, so yeah, it was better.

[Taurus]

Most black kids had two parents back then, so yeah, it was better.

Same is probably true for white kids, still don't think America was better off during segregation and all that went with it.

[DJ_Critterus]

You are correct, but there were white and colored drinking fountains, entrances, dining rooms etc..

Not sure that made America a better place, there are too many trade offs.

And yet there are black groups on college campuses that are demanding that same segregation present day.... Only difference is they want their black only establishments, but want free reign to go into any establishment of their choice.

[Vette40th]

WTF are you talking about? We are already at that stage minus the gun confiscation.

I havent changed my life. Nobody controlling me

[Burro (He/Haw)]

1910s too early for me, but I remember well the 1950s and things were much better in our country then.
For you, the white male maybe. Plus you were what, 10? You didn’t have the worries or concerns of adulthood pressing down on you.

[Vette40th]

Well, we are progressively getting worse. We have grown as a country, and a melting pot. We have had made strides more for the positive in all races and classes.
We have had a allot of negatives too.
But, if you dont like it, you can change it starting in local politics, family etc or move

[Taurus]

And yet there are black groups on college campuses that are demanding that same segregation present day.... Only difference is they want their black only establishments, but want free reign to go into any establishment of their choice.

So you think that as a whole black Americans would prefer segregation and a separation of races? As I don't think radical white Aryan groups define the wishes of whites, I doubt these splinter black groups do that for their race either.

[LATB]

So you think America was better in the 1910’s than it is now? Not sure I’d agree lol.

I wasn’t alive in 1910 but my guess is yes.

Of course my perspective is one of an old hard working white man. One who’s been busting ass and paying taxes for 50+ years, and actually producing something of value.

Not some lazy douche bag who’s only skill is working the system to his financial benefit. No skin in the game and of course he’s going to vote for whatever corrupt politician keeps his scam going. While I pay for it.

Now, not only do these worthless slugs vote…now their degenerate pitiful Godless lives are celebrated. And I have to accept…scratch that, honor that bullchit?

**** that.

[6spdC6]

For you, the white male maybe. Plus you were what, 10? You didn’t have the worries or concerns of adulthood pressing down on you.

Well I graduated from the 50s at age 15. Have been politically aware from a very early age and know what I have seen. Albany NY was run by the democrats big time, the group that ran things were known as "The Machine"

During my younger days most black people in our area were married,had jobs, the fathers lived at home, the kids went to school to learn. Most of that stuff ended when the "great" LBJ gave the keys to the candy store to the blacks. Criminals spent long time in prisons and we had a relatively fast death penalty used to get rid of the garbage. You did not sass a cop or take swings at them.

MLK was shooting off his mouth big time and those things had a lot to do with the country going downhill. Course the bullshit of the Vietnam war affected a lot of people. We are paying the price on that one big time!

Yes things were much better and the way I see it going to get much worst fast. At my age I will not see just how bad things will be. OBTW enjoy your electric car, it will be the only thing you will be able to buy. Kiss your gas stove, furnace, stand by generator, dryer good by, our masters will see to that.

Expect to see Eminent Domain run rampant and hopefully you get along good with your new neighbors showing up in the complexes in your peaceful neighborhood that used to be one family houses. Speaking Spanish will be a big plus soon.

[DJ_Critterus]

So you think that as a whole black Americans would prefer segregation and a separation of races?
I never said that, but only pointed out something going on to this day.

The more I see in the news, the rhetoric, and honestly more and more interactions, I do believe things will move back that way, though.

[Yadkin]

Same is probably true for white kids, still don't think America was better off during segregation and all that went with it.

Don't pretend that two parent families and segregation are related, because they clearly are not.

[Bill]

So you think that as a whole black Americans would prefer segregation and a separation of races? As I don't think radical white Aryan groups define the wishes of whites, I doubt these splinter black groups do that for their race either.

They have black only dorms in college, black only graduation ceremonies, black only frats and sororities, black only congressional clubs.....Hell, there's even at least one black only Reddit group. Many black leaders support a separate black economy, supporting black owned businesses is specifically lauded as a good thing. Blacks are incensed when whites move into their neighborhoods, calling it gentrification.

A not insignificant number of blacks do seem to be yearning for separate.

Here are newly minted black doctors, celebrating the exclusion of non blacks:

https://twitter.com/VoiceOfOurAnces/status/1645271361911136256

https://twitter.com/VoiceOfOurAnces/status/1645271361911136256



Edit:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/poll-only-54-of-black-people-think-its-ok-to-be-white

Almost half of all black Americans do not agree that it's OK to be white. The Dilbert guy got attacked for simply saying the unpleasant truth, that this is not fixable.

[Vette40th]

I never said that, but only pointed out something going on to this day.

The more I see in the news, the rhetoric, and honestly more and more interactions, I do believe things will move back that way, though.
Media does not reflect the real world urban and country America

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Well I graduated from the 50s at age 15. Have been politically aware from a very early age and know what I have seen. Albany NY was run by the democrats big time, the group that ran things were known as "The Machine"

During my younger days most black people in our area were married,had jobs, the fathers lived at home, the kids went to school to learn. Most of that stuff ended when the "great" LBJ gave the keys to the candy store to the blacks. Criminals spent long time in prisons and we had a relatively fast death penalty used to get rid of the garbage. You did not sass a cop or take swings at them.

MLK was shooting off his mouth big time and those things had a lot to do with the country going downhill. Course the bullshit of the Vietnam war affected a lot of people. We are paying the price on that one big time!

Yes things were much better and the way I see it going to get much worst fast. At my age I will not see just how bad things will be. OBTW enjoy your electric car, it will be the only thing you will be able to buy. Kiss your gas stove, furnace, stand by generator, dryer good by, our masters will see to that.

Expect to see Eminent Domain run rampant and hopefully you get along good with your new neighbors showing up in the complexes in your peaceful neighborhood that used to be one family houses. Speaking Spanish will be a big plus soon.
I’m not saying things aren’t going to shit because we both know they are.

At 18 you can be as “Politically Aware” as a 50 year man. But you have ZERO life experience at 18 regardless of what you claim.

Everyone trumpets the halcyon days of the 50’s. Yep. If you’re white guy like you and I. Wasn’t so great for blacks and women though.

And look how far health care has come since the 50’s. Shit that would kill you then is a mild annoyance in 2023.

Some things are better, some worse. Way worse.

[DJ_Critterus]

Media does not reflect the real world urban and country America

Personal interactions sure do paint a detailed picture, though.

[Bill]

I’m not saying things aren’t going to shit because we both know they are.

At 18 you can be as “Politically Aware” as a 50 year man. But you have ZERO life experience at 18 regardless of what you claim.

Everyone trumpets the halcyon days of the 50’s. Yep. If you’re white guy like you and I. Wasn’t so great for blacks and women though.

And look how far health care has come since the 50’s. Shit that would kill you then is a mild annoyance in 2023.

Some things are better, some worse. Way worse.

I'd say the 80's were peak America. No real active wars, won the Cold War, America was upbeat, racial divisions probably on the low side. Deviancy was still rejected and reviled by most, even on the left. People were politer, less trashy, less....angry.

[Yadkin]

I'd say the 80's were peak America. No real active wars, won the Cold War, America was upbeat, racial divisions probably on the low side. Deviancy was still rejected and reviled by most, even on the left. People were politer, less trashy, less....angry.

The four Trump years were better. Booming economy, energy independence, Israel's neighbor's starting to trade with and respect her. :yesnod:

[6spdC6]

I’m not saying things aren’t going to shit because we both know they are.

At 18 you can be as “Politically Aware” as a 50 year man. But you have ZERO life experience at 18 regardless of what you claim.

Everyone trumpets the halcyon days of the 50’s. Yep. If you’re white guy like you and I. Wasn’t so great for blacks and women though.

And look how far health care has come since the 50’s. Shit that would kill you then is a mild annoyance in 2023.

Some things are better, some worse. Way worse.

Right you are about health care, I know for a fact with my medical problems I would have been gone best bet at least 25 years ago.

Your wrong on the black issue, things were much better then. I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks and also over the years worked with many blacks.

They have a much bigger drug problem now than then and they were not killing each other near as often on mostly frivolous reasons. Trouble back then was mostly settled with fists occasional a knife would be pulled, today they settle issues with a gun. (Chicago, Detroit just to name a couple places there are way many more)

I will also tell you that many blacks cannot own a gun legally because of having a criminal record so most of their weapons are garnered by theft. My state has quite possibly the toughest and many times the dumbest gun laws in the country and the blacks kill each other wholesale with gun fire. Of course they are not the best of shots and kill and injure innocents a lot.!

[TheRealBadger]

The four Trump years were better. Booming economy, energy independence, Israel's neighbor's starting to trade with and respect her. :yesnod:

So, you just casually overlook the most rapid meltdown in the economy in US history, record unemployment, and the single biggest transfer of wealth by a single term president in history? Weird.

[TheRealBadger]

Sorry if the historical facts offend.

“Better” is not a fact. It’s an opinion.

Too bad all these years youve seen the country decline that the best you could do to help us bitch about it on the Interweb.

[Yadkin]

So, you just casually overlook the most rapid meltdown in the economy in US history, record unemployment, and the single biggest transfer of wealth by a single term president in history? Weird.

You mean when the Chinese unleashed a virus to help sway the election?

[GTOguy]

I wasn’t alive in 1910 but my guess is yes.

Of course my perspective is one of an old hard working white man. One who’s been busting ass and paying taxes for 50+ years, and actually producing something of value.

Not some lazy douche bag who’s only skill is working the system to his financial benefit. No skin in the game and of course he’s going to vote for whatever corrupt politician keeps his scam going. While I pay for it.

Now, not only do these worthless slugs vote…now their degenerate pitiful Godless lives are celebrated. And I have to accept…scratch that, honor that bullchit?

**** that.

Once again, our 60-something beach-bum/builder/realtor-cum farmer knocks it out of the park with TRUTH. Well played, Sir! :cert:

[LATB]

For you, the white male maybe. Plus you were what, 10? You didn’t have the worries or concerns of adulthood pressing down on you.

Can you imagine being a tall handsome good looking wealthy white adult man in the 1950’s? You could’ve done some serious sinning. :Jeff '79:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

“Better” is not a fact. It’s an opinion.

Too bad all these years youve seen the country decline that the best you could do to help us bitch about it on the Interweb.

Hey! Social Media Activism is not to be ignored. :rofl:

[LATB]

“Better” is not a fact. It’s an opinion.

Too bad all these years youve seen the country decline that the best you could do to help us bitch about it on the Interweb.

Your opinion point is valid.

I’m not bitching. I put up a provocative post (not trolling) and it opened a conversation. Specifically I was referring to politics and voting following the OP. Socially, culturally, medically, economically, is very debatable. :cert:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Too bad all these years youve seen the country decline that the best you could do to help us bitch about it on the Interweb.
Working, contributing, paying your bills, and voting DO help.

[TheRealBadger]

Working, contributing, paying your bills, and voting DO help.

I actually agree with you.

That said, the believe is that it’s all getting worse. Or at least that is what was posted. Too bad apparently the above isn’t enough and many don’t bother to do more but then bitch about the results.

[z06psi]

Racist and sexist. Interesting.

Argue the point instead of being a *****.:yesnod:

[cptlo306]

Argue the point instead of being a *****.:yesnod:

**** off. There isn't anything to argue...his comment was racist and sexist. There is no other interpretation so why bother arguing about it.

[LATB]

Argue the point instead of being a *****.:yesnod:

It's too easy to throw out the race card than discuss the topic.
We have gone from very strong qualifications to vote, to anyone who can fog a mirror. Hell, even dead people now vote.

I guess some are ok with any ignorant fool voting. Others feel there should be a more responsible voting public.

[TheRealBadger]

It's too easy to throw out the race card than discuss the topic.
We have gone from very strong qualifications to vote, to anyone who can fog a mirror. Hell, even dead people now vote.

I guess some are ok with any ignorant fool voting. Others feel there should be a more responsible voting public.

So, your argument is that prior to 1791, things were so much better here? That’s an odd hill to take.

[LATB]

So, your argument is that prior to 1791, things were so much better here? That’s an odd hill to take.

Read post #43 please. :seasix:

[cptlo306]

It's too easy to throw out the race card than discuss the topic.
We have gone from very strong qualifications to vote, to anyone who can fog a mirror. Hell, even dead people now vote.

I guess some are ok with any ignorant fool voting. Others feel there should be a more responsible voting public.

One thing I've learned in life is that when most people throw out racist comments, one of two things usually happens...either they realize it was a dumb comment and retract it or they double down because that is how they really feel and there is no changing their minds. Clearly you are in the latter category so there is no point arguing with you on this. It would just be a waste of time.


And just to be clear, I do think we should have additional qualifications to vote but those qualifications shouldn't be racist or sexist in nature.

[Yadkin]

Argue the point instead of being a *****.:yesnod:

^ Most ironic post of the month. :yesnod:

[LATB]

One thing I've learned in life is that when most people throw out racist comments, one of two things usually happens...either they realize it was a dumb comment and retract it or they double down because that is how they really feel and there is no changing their minds. Clearly you are in the latter category so there is no point arguing with you on this. It would just be a waste of time.
Clearly you are making an assumption. And clearly you are arguing. :Jeff '79:


And just to be clear, I do think we should have additional qualifications to vote but those qualifications shouldn't be racist or sexist in nature.

:iagree:

[VITE1]

I think only those who are veterans can vote. Anyone, no matter what their physical issues, can join up and serve A minimum time.

That's should be the only qualification.

[6spdC6]

I think only those who are veterans can vote. Anyone, no matter what their physical issues, can join up and serve A minimum time.

That's should be the only qualification.

I some what agree with this. Any one in the military should have the vote, same with retired military if legally qualified. Land owners should also have the vote, and it sure would not hurt to have a test that shows there is a modicum of intelligence involved for any voter.

Any person on welfare after 6 months should not be able to vote under any circumstances till off welfare for a full year. You got to have skin in the game and not be a leach living off of other peoples hard work.

If some on here call that racist so be it.

[Tikiman]

It's too easy to throw out the race card than discuss the topic.
We have gone from very strong qualifications to vote, to anyone who can fog a mirror. Hell, even dead people now vote.

I guess some are ok with any ignorant fool voting. Others feel there should be a more responsible voting public.


Once the low IQ slackers found out that they could vote themselves the money that other people earned, it began the end of the country.

[TheRealBadger]

I think only those who are veterans can vote. Anyone, no matter what their physical issues, can join up and serve A minimum time.

That's should be the only qualification.

Well, the constitution doesn’t agree with you.

[TheRealBadger]

Once the low IQ slackers found out that they could vote themselves the money that other people earned, it began the end of the country.

You mean the largest voting group in history, boomers?

[Tikiman]

You mean the largest voting group in history, boomers?

No. I was referring to the democrat's plantation dwellers.

[DJ_Critterus]

Read post #43 please. :seasix:

Don't get him started. He only comes here to contradict everything and play devil's advocate.

[stingraymyway]

If you don’t know what gender you are, you’re mentally ill = disqualified.

[z06psi]

**** off. There isn't anything to argue...his comment was racist and sexist. There is no other interpretation so why bother arguing about it.

I see you chose to be a *****. :yesnod:

[cptlo306]

I see you chose to be a *****. :yesnod:

:nutkick: