Electricians, Aero, Engineers, and other electrical experts....step inside

[Bill]

Since LED lights are becoming commonplace, and being used as replacement for Edison type incandescent bulbs, question....are these safer, or less safe in terms of electrical fires in the home?

I would think that, since they draw much less amperage, that they'd be much less likely to overheat wiring and cause an electrical fire, but I also wonder if there's an issue with drawing LESS amperage than expected. I've heard about cars that don't function properly if you replace incandescent bulbs with LED's, because the car's computer thinks a bulb is out, since not enough draw is coming from the LED bulb.

What's the deal here? :waiting:

[thread certified as 100% NON political as of 3/4/23]

[Stangkiller]

Been running leds for years now, much cooler and more efficient, however they are sometimes incompatible with standard dimmers that can lead to strobing, or not completely shutting off.

[Rodnok1]

Other than dimmers as stated not being designed to work with LED , I'm not seeing a downside other than up front costs.
I like them living in t he South due to less heat being put out thus decreasing my heat load.
I have LED floods however in barn that get pretty hot (not screw in bulbs actual led flood assembly).
Main reason to switch is electric savings(Duke wants almost 20% increase this year)

[Tikiman]

No idea. I am still buying incandescent bulbs in bulk online. Just last week, I received a large box containing fifty 60 watt bulbs, fifty 100 watt bulbs, and thirty PAR30L halogen lamps.

[Bill]

Other than dimmers as stated not being designed to work with LED , I'm not seeing a downside other than up front costs.
I like them living in the South due to less heat being put out thus decreasing my heat load.
I have LED floods however in barn that get pretty hot (not screw in bulbs actual led flood assembly).
Main reason to switch is electric savings(Duke wants almost 20% increase this year)

Bingo! It's hard enough to keep a house cool in the blazing hot Summer without adding more heat sources in the house.

[simpleman68]

Yes, cars with LED swapped fixtures/bulbs can have issues with working correctly. It's a resistance issue and can be fixed by installing aftermarket resistors. Pretty simple and affordable.

Just did the two fiddy with LEDs and it looks really nice. The problems usually come with the turn signals.

As far as LED kits go, you get what you pay for. The budget kits at Lowes/Depot will not be as bright or last as long as more quality units.
These folks are a great resource for bigger projects. https://www.flexfireleds.com/

Gratuitous truck pic

https://i.imgur.com/S0D9pOdh.jpg

[simpleman68]

Bingo! It's hard enough to keep a house cool in the blazing hot Summer without adding more heat sources in the house.

Up North we just run a pair of class A mono block amps for heat. :D
Scott

[Vandelay Industries]

Looks like the democrats fkd this up too. :leaving:

[09CTSV]

At the old job most of our wiring was Aluminum wiring. Over the years it becomes brittle and breaks. We switched from Sodium or Mercury lights to LED. Cut our power load by 2/3. Lighting panels we were planning to replace due to load and heat on the panels, dropped the temp and no longer required replacement. The lights actually put out more light and we used fewer of them cutting down again on the power consumption.
Our house is fully LED lighting. Last month electric bill: $18.08.

[mrvette]

No idea. I am still buying incandescent bulbs in bulk online. Just last week, I received a large box containing fifty 60 watt bulbs, fifty 100 watt bulbs, and thirty PAR30L halogen lamps.

[QUOTE=09CTSV;2058260. Last month electric bill: $18.08.[/QUOTE]

U have a YEUGGE house or a warehouse the size of Ammozone's.....

and I wood LOVE a spark bill for 18 bux......:seasix:
And I rewired all the heavy wiring and changed the breaker box to Square D and adding TEN circuits, replaced lots of alumunum wiring with copper, only aluminum left is to the 3 old bedrooms......

[Tikiman]

U have a YEUGGE house or a warehouse the size of Ammozone's.....

and I wood LOVE a spark bill for 18 bux......:seasix:

5,200 sq. ft. Last month's electric bill was $500.66. That's about par.

Edited to add: That's both my bills added together. My house and my #1 barn are on separate meters, but I only write them one check. House was $452.92 and the barn was $47.74.

[mrvette]

5,200 sq. ft. Last month's electric bill was $500.66. That's about par.

Edited to add: That's both my bills added together. My house and my #1 barn are on separate meters, but I only write them one check. House was $452.92 and the barn was $47.74.

Your house must have a HELL of an echo in normal conversations......'''

[Tikiman]

Your house must have a HELL of an echo in normal conversations......'''

Not at all. Although my living room is 30' x 40'.

[Egnalf]

The noise created by let's could potentially mess with sensitive electronics, but nothing in the home SHOULD BE that sensitive.

[Aerovette]

I have LEDs in some of the high up/hard to change locations. Most are still old school. My house was built in 2007 and easily more than half the bulbs are from the day it was built.

[Aerovette]

Oh damn. I just read that dogs can hear the high pitch noise that LEDs give off. My poor dog !

Do LED lights hurt dogs ears?
A: Yes. Humans can hear frequencies up to only 20,000 Hz, but dogs hear up to 45,000 Hz, and cats perceive frequencies of up to 64,000 Hz. Electronic devices are designed for people, and many emit frequencies that are distressing to pets but beyond what human ears can detect.

[dvarapala]

Been running leds for years now, much cooler and more efficient, however they are sometimes incompatible with standard dimmers that can lead to strobing, or not completely shutting off.

:yesnod:

Make sure you buy dimmable LED bulbs. Cree makes some excellent ones. :thumbs:

[Bill]

:yesnod:

Make sure you buy dimmable LED bulbs. Cree makes some excellent ones. :thumbs:

I bought a pair of 40W led bulbs for my over the range microwave last year. The microwave has two stages for the light, full, and half brightness. I leave them on the low setting, as a night light. One has already quit working....less than a year old. Probably will go back with normal bulbs when the other one burns out.

Having said that, my most used lamp is a 3 way, and that led bulb has been going strong for a couple of years now, as have the 100W bulbs outside.

[dvarapala]

I bought a pair of 40W led bulbs for my over the range microwave last year. The microwave has two stages for the light, full, and half brightness. I leave them on the low setting, as a night light. One has already quit working....less than a year old.

Which brand were those LED bulbs? El-Chinko? :toetap:

I had Cree dimmable LED recessed cans installed in every room of my house over 10 years ago. Not a single one has failed yet.

[Bill]

Which brand were those LED bulbs? El-Chinko? :toetap:

I had Cree dimmable LED recessed cans installed in every room of my house over 10 years ago. Not a single one has failed yet.

Thanks for asking! Yay! Went to pull out the non functioning bulb and discovered that it was loose in the socket, I guess from vibration of the microwave. Tightened it up and voila! It works. A miracle!

Patti LaBelle - Are You Ready For A Miracle? - YouTube

So I guess maybe I can get some kind of electrician apprentice tag now? I'm qualified to help Aero give electrical advice?

As to brand, I found the packaging......FEIT Electric, so shitty Chinese made junk, but the only led offering in that specific size for my over the range microwave.

[mrvette]

I forgot to mention in my first post this thread, I had bought about 6 4' long LED strip bulbs, like would plug into a Fluorescent fixture, but I had gotten some wire plugs for the ends along with them, so in the went to the LR ceiling in place of the skylight that was sealed off some 2 years ago with the roof replacement, and then some in the garage/workshop area, worked fine for some 2-3 years or so, then a sudden mass failure ALL but the two above the front window went out at once.......bought another brand, larger diameter that mimics a fluorescent bulb ......

the thing that drives me nutz is the mass failure of the original ones......WHY?? and the only thing I can imagine is some electrical surge/lightening storm??

SO I just hoping this latest install lasts longer....:issues:

[LATB]

Yes, cars with LED swapped fixtures/bulbs can have issues with working correctly. It's a resistance issue and can be fixed by installing aftermarket resistors. Pretty simple and affordable.

Just did the two fiddy with LEDs and it looks really nice. The problems usually come with the turn signals.

As far as LED kits go, you get what you pay for. The budget kits at Lowes/Depot will not be as bright or last as long as more quality units.
These folks are a great resource for bigger projects. https://www.flexfireleds.com/

Gratuitous truck pic

https://i.imgur.com/S0D9pOdh.jpg

That looks great on your truck. Really modernizes the front end. :seasix:

Are you going to replace the below bumper air dam? Or remove the Prisus catchers?

[simpleman68]

That looks great on your truck. Really modernizes the front end. :seasix:

Are you going to replace the below bumper air dam? Or remove the Prisus catchers?

Dam will go back on in the next week when it gets above 50 again.

Such a great find out in Nevada. 2010 with 80k miles (just warming up for the V10s) and virtually no rust and very well cared for.

Now I'm trying to figure out bed liners. Another shell or go the Rhino route. :needcoffee:

Before and after

https://i.imgur.com/553LKpIh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/S0D9pOdh.jpg

[Bill]

Dam will go back on in the next week when it gets above 50 again.

Such a great find out in Nevada. 2010 with 80k miles (just warming up for the V10s) and virtually no rust and very well cared for.

Now I'm trying to figure out bed liners. Another shell or go the Rhino route. :needcoffee:


If you actually use your bed to haul heavy stuff, go with the drop in liner. They're a lot more durable. My first ever spray in liner....it's literally peeling off, and my bed is full of whiskey dents. Didn't have that problem with the plastic drop in liners.

If you don't actually work with the truck and it's going to be more cosmetic in nature, then yeah, I think the spray in looks nicer....it's just not durable and doesn't provide protection. As to the non skid aspect, I can say that the spray in initially does a little better, but in practice, not a big difference.

[simpleman68]

If you actually use your bed to haul heavy stuff, go with the drop in liner. They're a lot more durable. My first ever spray in liner....it's literally peeling off, and my bed is full of whiskey dents. Didn't have that problem with the plastic drop in liners.

If you don't actually work with the truck and it's going to be more cosmetic in nature, then yeah, I think the spray in looks nicer....it's just not durable and doesn't provide protection. As to the non skid aspect, I can say that the spray in initially does a little better, but in practice, not a big difference.

I would've bought a little one fiddy if I only needed to pick up the occasional couch for the needy neighbor. :lol:

I have investment properties that I renovate and maintain so the bed gets used.
A big snag with the spray in liners is sheetrock and lumber don't slide well on it. On the other hand, I hear the newer adhesives are far superior. :shrug:
Scott

[theandies]

Problem with LED in incandescent sockets is LED run off of low voltage/current DC and the socket is 110V AC. This has to be converted and guess what that does. It creates HEAT during the conversion.
Yes the LED portion of the lamp will be cool to the touch but then feel the base where this conversion happens. Just as hot as a conventional bulb.
Until we convert our lighting systems in our home and office to run off of DC the we'll still have the wasted electricity burning off as heat just like a 100 watt bulb does.

[theandies]

Bingo! It's hard enough to keep a house cool in the blazing hot Summer without adding more heat sources in the house.

Feel the base and you'll change your tune. Electricity cannot just shed voltage and change from AC to DC without heat being generated.

[LATB]

Now I'm trying to figure out bed liners. Another shell or go the Rhino route.


Neither.

I have the OEM rubber bed mat. :seasix:

Not a fan of the spray in. :ack:

[mrvette]

Feel the base and you'll change your tune. Electricity cannot just shed voltage and change from AC to DC without heat being generated.

you mean converted......and my two 4' strip/LED lights above the pix window hidden by the valance, give off almost zero heat.....course it is spread out over 4' length must be a hundred LED's in there....

[simpleman68]

Neither.

I have the OEM rubber bed mat. :seasix:

Not a fan of the spray in. :ack:

I'm going to try it out. Ordered up the Weather Tech bed and tail gate mat.
Scott

[Bill]

Feel the base and you'll change your tune. Electricity cannot just shed voltage and change from AC to DC without heat being generated.

Damn, you're right. Having said that, the base is merely warm to the touch, not scorching, and it does have a smaller surface area to emanate heat from, so it's still better than the incandescent in terms of heat generation. Still, I didn't know there was significant heat production 'till I tried it.

[Tikiman]

If you actually use your bed to haul heavy stuff, go with the drop in liner. They're a lot more durable. My first ever spray in liner....it's literally peeling off, and my bed is full of whiskey dents. Didn't have that problem with the plastic drop in liners.

If you don't actually work with the truck and it's going to be more cosmetic in nature, then yeah, I think the spray in looks nicer....it's just not durable and doesn't provide protection. As to the non skid aspect, I can say that the spray in initially does a little better, but in practice, not a big difference.

:iagree:

I have a friend who got the spray on liner. The first time a forklift placed a heavy pallet in his truck and pushed it forward, it peeled like a banana. He was pissed! :rofl: All my trucks have plastic bed liners and, while they will get scuffed and scarred pretty good at times, it has never gone the whole way through and I've got one that is 15 years old and still going strong.

[Bill]

I bought a pair of 40W led bulbs for my over the range microwave last year. The microwave has two stages for the light, full, and half brightness. I leave them on the low setting, as a night light. One has already quit working....less than a year old. Probably will go back with normal bulbs when the other one burns out.

Having said that, my most used lamp is a 3 way, and that led bulb has been going strong for a couple of years now, as have the 100W bulbs outside.

Thanks for asking! Yay! Went to pull out the non functioning bulb and discovered that it was loose in the socket, I guess from vibration of the microwave. Tightened it up and voila! It works. A miracle!

Patti LaBelle - Are You Ready For A Miracle? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYpz3abAk98)

So I guess maybe I can get some kind of electrician apprentice tag now? I'm qualified to help Aero give electrical advice?

As to brand, I found the packaging......FEIT Electric, so shitty Chinese made junk, but the only led offering in that specific size for my over the range microwave.

As I was skeptical about the durability of these bulbs, I actually kept the packaging and receipts for them. Packaging says a two year warranty. I'm going to take the bad bulb, packaging, and receipt to Home Depot and see if they'll take it back and let me exchange it.

For now, I just stuck the Edison style bulb back. I will admit the LED is much whiter and a bit brighter than its Edison style cousin.

[Unsuspicious]

Just had to replace the bulb in my freezer, bought an incan that's supposedly built more durably to withstand appliance conditions and labeled "long life". Frankly it sounds like they should just make all bulbs that well if they were able to.
I think the claim to longer life is literally only a result of them changing the test criteria down to be based on like 1 hour a day since you're not keeping your fridge/freezer open all that long anyway. It could very well be an identical standard bulb that would have standard life if based on more time per day.

[Big bob]

Dam will go back on in the next week when it gets above 50 again.

Such a great find out in Nevada. 2010 with 80k miles (just warming up for the V10s) and virtually no rust and very well cared for.

Now I'm trying to figure out bed liners. Another shell or go the Rhino route. :needcoffee:

Before and after

https://i.imgur.com/553LKpIh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/S0D9pOdh.jpg


Look into Raptor 2 part bedliner easy do it yourself and can even color it.:seasix:

[lrobe22]

I'm essentially all LED at home and don't have any issues. The only potential downside is the color temperature depending on your preferences and budget. The car issue is the computer/wiring is looking for a certain amount of resistance to help determine if a bulb is burnt out. Non issue for a house.

[Aerovette]

I replaced some outdoor floodlights for up-lighting, with LED versions because they are on all night. Since there are 4, I figured I can save some electricity since a 90w equivalent in LED is under 15w. Well, the first rainstorm (labeled as "waterproof") and 3 out of 4 failed. Catastrophically. One was still smoking as I unscrewed it. Blew the bottom out of two of them. Destroyed the sockets so bad that I had to replace them.

[GTOguy]

5,200 sq. ft. Last month's electric bill was $500.66. That's about par.

Edited to add: That's both my bills added together. My house and my #1 barn are on separate meters, but I only write them one check. House was $452.92 and the barn was $47.74.

What do you pay per Kwh? I paid 52 cents last month.
My power bill was about $330 for a 2200sf house with a 24 x42 shop. Running fluorescents, leds, and incandescent. I like the leds in the summer but the heat of the incandescent is nice in the winter.

[Yadkin]

Yes, cars with LED swapped fixtures/bulbs can have issues with working correctly. It's a resistance issue and can be fixed by installing aftermarket resistors. Pretty simple and affordable.

Just did the two fiddy with LEDs and it looks really nice. The problems usually come with the turn signals.

As far as LED kits go, you get what you pay for. The budget kits at Lowes/Depot will not be as bright or last as long as more quality units.
These folks are a great resource for bigger projects. https://www.flexfireleds.com/

Gratuitous truck pic

https://i.imgur.com/S0D9pOdh.jpg

Swapping out LEDs in a lamp designed for halogens? Not smart.

Halogen bulbs use a tubular shaped filament about 1/4" long and the lens to focus it downrange is designed for that light source. LED "replacements" have a different pattern, thus will not focus properly. Therefore the lamp produces glare on oncoming vehicles, and is a danger to oncoming vehicles.

[Unsuspicious]

Swapping out LEDs in a lamp designed for halogens? Not smart.

Halogen bulbs use a tubular shaped filament about 1/4" long and the lens to focus it downrange is designed for that light source. LED "replacements" have a different pattern, thus will not focus properly. Therefore the lamp produces glare on oncoming vehicles, and is a danger to oncoming vehicles.

Hogwash

[GTOguy]

Swapping out LEDs in a lamp designed for halogens? Not smart.

Halogen bulbs use a tubular shaped filament about 1/4" long and the lens to focus it downrange is designed for that light source. LED "replacements" have a different pattern, thus will not focus properly. Therefore the lamp produces glare on oncoming vehicles, and is a danger to oncoming vehicles.

I know a guy who was killed in a head on collision when he was blinded by one of these wonderful modified cars with the blue headlights. Like looking into an oxy-acetylene miner's lamp. Or the sun.

[Yadkin]

I've been using LED bulbs in the house for a very long time, and still have a handful of bulbs that were purchased as part of an energy management deal. There are no issues in replacing fixtures in a normal 15 or 30 amp house circuit. They have saved me a lot over the years.

If you live in a climate with the AC on most of the time, you essential save double.

With the price of copper wire I expect futured Codes will encourage 5 amp light circuits and smaller gage wiring.

[Yadkin]

I know a guy who was killed in a head on collision when he was blinded by one of these wonderful modified cars with the blue headlights. Like looking into an oxy-acetylene miner's lamp. Or the sun.

It's not necessarily the color but the shitty focus. It's become a huge issue and the main reason why I no longer drive at night, when possible.

I'm thinking of writing my state rep to allow state and local police to walk through public parking lots and write tickets to owners of vehicles who have illegally modified their headlamps. A few $100 tickets would encourage even the most stupid to learn.

[Big bob]

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[GTOguy]

It's become a huge issue and the main reason why I no longer drive at night, when possible.

I'm thinking of writing my state rep to allow state and local police to walk through public parking lots and write tickets to owners of vehicles who have illegally modified their headlamps. A few $100 tickets would encourage even the most stupid to learn.

That's what happened with exhaust whistles in Oakland 20 years ago. The first ticket was $200. That shit ended quickly.

I would gladly put on a reflective vest and carry a traffic wand like Sebastian of Cart Narcs and patrol parking lots for free, citing cars. At night, or if it's foggy out, they blind the crap out of you.

[Frankie the Fink]

Was at my local Ace Hardware last week and there WERE no regular incandescent bulbs - no standard base 60W regular bulbs, nor any others - all are LED now.

[Yadkin]

That's what happened with exhaust whistles in Oakland 20 years ago. The first ticket was $200. That shit ended quickly.

I would gladly put on a reflective vest and carry a traffic wand like Sebastian of Cart Narcs and patrol parking lots for free, citing cars. At night, or if it's foggy out, they blind the crap out of you.

Careful now, someone here might call you a karen. :Jeff '79:

[Yadkin]

Was at my local Ace Hardware last week and there WERE no regular incandescent bulbs - no standard base 60W regular bulbs, nor any others - all are LED now.

The only issue with LED bulbs with Edison style threads is that they last so long they can rust themselves into a lamp fixture, especially when used in exterior lamps. I've taken to coating the threads with a light coating of dielectric grease when I install them.

[GTOguy]

Careful now, someone here might call you a karen. :Jeff '79:


That's what I was shooting for. At YMCA camp in 1969, the camp counselors called me 'that honest little ****er' after I ratted them out for smoking dope.
They tried to throw me in the lake but I climbed a tree they couldn't climb. I'm still proud of that. **** not calling people on their ****ed up behavior.
That's why our country is where it is today: 50 years of letting shit slide.

So hell YES to being a narc. A lamp narc, cart narc, litter narc, whatever.
Hold the feral ****s accountable.

[VatorMan]

I've been using LED bulbs in the house for a very long time, and still have a handful of bulbs that were purchased as part of an energy management deal. There are no issues in replacing fixtures in a normal 15 or 30 amp house circuit. They have saved me a lot over the years.

If you live in a climate with the AC on most of the time, you essential save double.

With the price of copper wire I expect futured Codes will encourage 5 amp light circuits and smaller gage wiring.

There are buildings with DC busways now. Specifically to get rid of all the employee wall warts and save that bit of energy. Our latest building has lighting inverters to power all the LED lights to save $ on light fixtures and wiring. So, you’re not far from the truth.

[Yadkin]

That's what I was shooting for. At YMCA camp in 1969, the camp counselors called me 'that honest little ****er' after I ratted them out for smoking dope.
They tried to throw me in the lake but I climbed a tree they couldn't climb. I'm still proud of that. **** not calling people on their ****ed up behavior.
That's why our country is where it is today: 50 years of letting shit slide.

So hell YES to being a narc. A lamp narc, cart narc, litter narc, whatever.
Hold the feral ****s accountable.

I wouldn't have called anyone out for smoking dope, because it's a victimless crime. It certainly has no affect on me.

Especially where I grew up. Everyone smoked dope back in the day.

[Yadkin]

There are buildings with DC busways now. Specifically to get rid of all the employee wall warts and save that bit of energy. Our latest building has lighting inverters to power all the LED lights to save $ on light fixtures and wiring. So, you’re not far from the truth.

That's awesome, thanks. Edison's dream of DC power distribution, albeit on a small scale, is coming to fruition. :Jeff '79:

[Tikiman]

Was at my local Ace Hardware last week and there WERE no regular incandescent bulbs - no standard base 60W regular bulbs, nor any others - all are LED now.


That is correct. Which is why I have been purchasing them in bulk for the better part of two years now. I have a six foot rack in my laundry room absolutely stuffed with boxes of them and more boxes of them overflowing on the floor. I have 60's, 100's, three-ways, and floods. Probably enough to last ten or more years.

I dislike the color of the LEDs.

[Unsuspicious]

That is correct. Which is why I have been purchasing them in bulk for the better part of two years now. I have a six foot rack in my laundry room absolutely stuffed with boxes of them and more boxes of them overflowing on the floor. I have 60's, 100's, three-ways, and floods. Probably enough to last ten or more years.

I dislike the color of the LEDs.

Not all LEDs are the same. What you would need to find is a high CRI rating otherwise yeah cheap LED bulbs look like crap.

[Aerovette]

That is correct. Which is why I have been purchasing them in bulk for the better part of two years now. I have a six foot rack in my laundry room absolutely stuffed with boxes of them and more boxes of them overflowing on the floor. I have 60's, 100's, three-ways, and floods. Probably enough to last ten or more years.

I dislike the color of the LEDs.

LEDs are available in non-blue hues. Have to know what temperature light you want. When I first started buying them I realized quickly that the blue/white is way too harsh.

I also buy incandescents on Amazon when needed.

[Bill]

The only issue with LED bulbs with Edison style threads is that they last so long they can rust themselves into a lamp fixture, especially when used in exterior lamps. I've taken to coating the threads with a light coating of dielectric grease when I install them.

I got a year and a half out of one that was in my above the range microwave. With that kind of longevity, I'll probably be OK.

At $ 10 for one 40W bulb that lasted a year and a half, I don't think I saved any net money because of electricity conservation.

[Tikiman]

I got a year and a half out of one that was in my above the range microwave. With that kind of longevity, I'll probably be OK.

At $ 10 for one 40W bulb that lasted a year and a half, I don't think I saved any net money because of electricity conservation.


I hear a lot of the guys on the golf course complaining that they aren't getting anywhere near the longevity from LEDs that the manufacturers are claiming.

[VatorMan]

I hear a lot of the guys on the golf course complaining that they aren't getting anywhere near the longevity from LEDs that the manufacturers are claiming.

When LEDs first came out they were promising up to 25 years. Lol

[Aerovette]

When LEDs first came out they were promising up to 25 years. Lol

It's the quality of the LEDs.

Imagine if the LEDs in TVs only lasted a year. People would be carrying torches in the street. Lamp bulbs probably have a planned lifespan built into the electronics.

When total hours = x, then OFF.

[Unsuspicious]

Most products released now let the public be the beta testers.
Estimates for lifespan are extrapolated mtbf but also using unrealistic formulas probably based on just 4 hours of use per day.
Wonder how easy it is to recycle an LED bulb with its pc board circuitry compared to the old metal and glass incans.

[ZipZap]

The only issue with LED bulbs with Edison style threads is that they last so long they can rust themselves into a lamp fixture, especially when used in exterior lamps. I've taken to coating the threads with a light coating of dielectric grease when I install them.

You live in the swamp?

[Yadkin]

I got a year and a half out of one that was in my above the range microwave. With that kind of longevity, I'll probably be OK.

At $ 10 for one 40W bulb that lasted a year and a half, I don't think I saved any net money because of electricity conservation.

Because China; been there. I've also had better quality ones that outlasted the microwave, and are still working in my refrigerator.

[ZipZap]

LED's

Auto: OEM work great. I have had some aftermarket, notably cab lights, that burned so hot that the zorched after a year. Actually followed someone into a gas station last Friday to ask what LED/Halo headlamp kit they had on their 2011 F-250 as it was awesome.

Home: Great. Only a few have failed out of many after 5 years. These are almost all 2nd gen or later as the first gen did burn hot and most were no more than a couple years best.

Generally: The industry has advanced greatly. I will likely no longer buy a utility bulb in any format other than LED. Decorative bulbs, like the under deck bulbs, or kitchen island, will be Edison as long as I can get them. That along with the 25 spares in the basement:D

[Yadkin]

When LEDs first came out they were promising up to 25 years. Lol

The first ones that I bought are about 15 years now and still working. I have several that are in the ten year range.

I used to have 1/2 of a cabinet full of incandescent bulb spares, rummaging through it seemingly once/ month or so. After gradually replacing bulbs with LEDs I now have a small box and rarely get into it.

[Big bob]

Most products released now let the public be the beta testers.
Estimates for lifespan are extrapolated mtbf but also using unrealistic formulas probably based on just 4 hours of use per day.
Wonder how easy it is to recycle an LED bulb with its pc board circuitry compared to the old metal and glass incans.


I remember bringing in the old bulbs. They would count and sort them then drop them in a hole and you could hear them breaking. Then they would give you new ones free of charge.:hurray:

[GTOguy]

I remember bringing in the old bulbs. They would count and sort them then drop them in a hole and you could hear them breaking. Then they would give you new ones free of charge.:hurray:

So you drank the Kool-Aid. I didn't think you were a *****. WTF? I still have a bunch of incandescent bulbs along with a mix of about 12 year old LED's in the house. Why turn in good bulbs? You gonna turn in your ICE vehicle and guns, too? Jesus.

[Tikiman]

So you drank the Kool-Aid. I didn't think you were a *****. WTF? I still have a bunch of incandescent bulbs along with a mix of about 12 year old LED's in the house. Why turn in good bulbs? You gonna turn in your ICE vehicle and guns, too? Jesus.


Large Slob better not get caught playing with guns now. Felony conviction. Remember?

[GTOguy]

Large Slob better not get caught playing with guns now. Felony conviction. Remember?

It's not like he shot anybody or anything. He made a bad call and Dave ended up taking his forever nap. Bob wouldn't shoot anybody. He seems like a reasonable man. :)

[Tikiman]

It's not like he shot anybody or anything. He made a bad call and Dave ended up taking his forever nap. Bob wouldn't shoot anybody. He seems like a reasonable man. :)


Not saying he would shoot anybody. But I'm pretty sure a felony conviction carries some baggage with it and guns are one of them. However, it should be noted that I am not a lawyer, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Heck, for all we know, part of his release obligations was to steer clear of shady individuals. Which means he's SOL if they find him here. :rofl:

[Big bob]

So you drank the Kool-Aid. I didn't think you were a *****. WTF? I still have a bunch of incandescent bulbs along with a mix of about 12 year old LED's in the house. Why turn in good bulbs? You gonna turn in your ICE vehicle and guns, too? Jesus.

What are you babbling about now? That is what you used to do with burned out bulbs turned them in for free for new ones. I still have some good ones about but have been getting some led bulbs as well. The last ones I bought can change to any color of the rainbow. I see Tiki is still dribbling his knowledge he sucked out of his mentor's ass.


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[Aerovette]

I've been around a long time and lived in many states and I have never heard of getting bulbs replaced for free. :island14:

[VatorMan]

I've been around a long time and lived in many states and I have never heard of getting bulbs replaced for free. :island14:

Here our utility would actually pay guys to go in your house and replace all the incandescent bulbs. I had already done it- but there are a lot of programs out there. I’d start by looking at your utility and city websites.

[Yadkin]

You live in the swamp? Blue Ridge Mountains. :yesnod:

[ZipZap]

I've been around a long time and lived in many states and I have never heard of getting bulbs replaced for free. :island14:

They tried that with fluorescent bulbs and it was so lame that I ended up maybe getting 2 to 4 before I decided they were BS.

I have not seen a program with LED. I would absolutely jump on that. I have a bunch of incandescent bulbs I never got rid of. Show me the light.

[MidLifeinMI]

So you drank the Kool-Aid. I didn't think you were a *****. WTF? I still have a bunch of incandescent bulbs along with a mix of about 12 year old LED's in the house. Why turn in good bulbs? You gonna turn in your ICE vehicle and guns, too? Jesus.

:confused5: What? That's what they used to do at the Edison store; you'd bring in your old burned-out bulbs and turn them in for new ones (back in the day). This has nothing to do with buying into LEDs or not.