Heartbreak Hotel: Lisa Marie Presley Suffers Heart Attack, in Hospital

[Bill]

https://media.patriots.win/post/rETu3fp4D2xn.png

[04 commemorative]

yikes :wow:

[Aerovette]

How many does the vax have to kill or try to kill before it is yanked off the market? I guess as long as the covid number is higher, it is considered a success.

[Chemtrails99]

Heart attack is what got her Dad, and she has already made it 12 years longer than him. Hope she recovers well, too young to be disabled.

[Dan47]

I'd sure like to know if she was vaxed with the Fauci juice, though.

[Grey Ghost]

Wow. Prayers for her.

I just saw the new Elvis movie this w/e for free at a local theater. Tom Hanks was creepy in it. Too much woke crap that never happened. The dude that played Elvis and those parts were pretty good.

First concert I ever attended was Elvis. Grew up watching the movies, music, etc..also had to go to Tupelo, about 4x a year. Visited the house and the hardware store was still there his mom bought his first guitar.

[Bruze]

I'd sure like to know if she was vaxed with the Fauci juice, though.

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[Bill]

I'm not making any inferences or assertions one way or the other about her injection status, or possible link, because, while somewhat uncommon, people in their 50's do have heart attacks. If she had been a 20-some year old athlete on a sports team where injections were mandated and heart attacks are EXTREMELY rare, I would have included her in the injection-related thread.

[dvarapala]

How many does the vax have to kill or try to kill before it is yanked off the market?

I say don't yank it. Let the stupid people continue taking it and remove themselves from the gene pool. Everybody wins.

:thumbs:

[the new me]

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74694&stc=1&d=1673557462
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Nice. Reminds me of the William Butler Yeats poem "The Great Day" written in January 1919 as a comment on the incipient Irish War of Independence:

The Great Day
HURRAH for revolution and more cannon-shot!
A beggar upon horseback lashes a beggar on foot.
Hurrah for revolution and cannon come again!
The beggars have changed places, but the lash goes on.

[Anjdog2003]

Heart attack is what got her Dad.




A lot more than a heart attack got her dad.

[Onebadcad]

Her dad was, is, and shall remain THE KING!!
Therefore, address her as the princess she is, her father earned that for her.
Unnoble fawks!!

[Aerovette]

A lot more than a heart attack got her dad.

Yep. Fame and the inability to find happiness regardless of the money you have.

Elvis Presley
Howard Hughes
Michael Jackson
and more

[Anjdog2003]

Yep. Fame and the inability to find happiness regardless of the money you have.

Elvis Presley
Howard Hughes
Michael Jackson
STS/HPD
and more






:yesnod:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Yep. Fame and the inability to find happiness regardless of the money you have.

Elvis Presley
Howard Hughes
Michael Jackson
and more

Too bad this place didn't exist in '77 he could have found happiness arguing with idiots all day long. :Jeff '79:

[Aerovette]

Too bad this place didn't exist in '77 he could have found happiness arguing with idiots all day long. :Jeff '79:

I know I have. :seasix:

[Bruze]

A lot more than a heart attack got her dad.

I remember first hearing about it upon reading the paper (that would be NEWSPAPER for you young'ins https://i.imgur.com/jkx6Zdo.gif) that evening. I was working at Rochester Products at the time and was taking my 8-hour paid coffee break.

I ain't looking it up, but as I recall it was in August 1977. It was no secret that he was taking a lot of drugs. Supposedly he died on the toilet, but I don't know if that's true or not.

I saw his last concert on TV. He was heavy and sweating like a Christmas goose, with a white towel around his neck which he wiped his face with as needed.

At any rate, I always liked his music. He blazed a lot of trails.

[Vette40th]

Many people have heart attacks in their 50s. More men than women.. But, until the Doc , who doesnt give a shit if he gets fired, will bypass hippa and tell us why she had a heart attack.

[Bruze]

Many people have heart attacks in their 50s. More men than women.. But, until the Doc , who doesnt give a shit if he gets fired, will bypass hippa and tell us why she had a heart attack.

We're still waiting for SOMETHING on what caused the Bills' guy to have a heart attack.

The silence is deafening. And revealing.

The zillion-dollar "health" (cough) care industry has nothing to say on this?

[Vette40th]

We're still waiting for SOMETHING on what caused the Bills' guy to have a heart attack.

The silence is deafening. And revealing.

The zillion-dollar "health" (cough) care industry has nothing to say on this?

Health Care Mgmt, ala Rockefellor... Well known what he did and his family makes bank off of.

[Bill]

Many people have heart attacks in their 50s. More men than women.. But, until the Doc , who doesnt give a shit if he gets fired, will bypass hippa and tell us why she had a heart attack.

This. This right here, which is why I made this a separate thread and didn't attempt to lump this one in with all the idiopathic illnesses and deaths in the other thread.

[Vette40th]

This. This right here, which is why I made this a separate thread and didn't attempt to lump this one in with all the idiopathic illnesses and deaths in the other thread.
I had a heart attack in Sept of 2019, right on or about my b day. I would have been 53. Then, stent went in a few months later when I went to ER.
I have had several friend die at 53, weird, but this was well before COVID shots etc.
She has probably lives a hearty life of drugs etc, foods. Nobody knows.

[Taurus]

A heart attack and cardiac arrest are two different things. You can go into cardiac arrest as a result of a heart attack but more commonly from damage to the heart muscle such as an enlarged or hypertrophic heart or any condition that affects the hearts electrical system and prevents it from maintaining a heart beat. Common side effect of long term drug/alcohol use.

Very sad.

[Aerovette]

I just read that she is on life support. I don't recall seeing that earlier.

[Vette40th]

I just read that she is on life support. I don't recall seeing that earlier.

Thats not good...

[dvarapala]

I know I have. :seasix:

As have we all. :lol:

[dvarapala]

I just read that she is on life support. I don't recall seeing that earlier.

And I thought the worst thing that could happen to her was marrying Michael Jackson.

:sadangel:

[VITE1]

Just reported she died. :sadangel:

[Chemtrails99]

:sadangel:

[Vette40th]

Very Sad. RIP with Pops

[Taurus]

Very, very sad. Another life lost way too early. :sadangel:

In my opinion, her first charting song was her best. Lights go out in Memphis again.

https://youtu.be/3rsxwzDWIk4

[Vette40th]

https://www.tmz.com/2023/01/12/lisa-marie-presley-dead-dies-cardiac-arrest/

[Dan47]

RIP. :sadangel:

I visited his mansion on a mc trip. Pretty cool and I think the family is buried right on the property. Hope they kept a place for her.

[JRD77VET]

Lisa Marie Presley, 54, Daughter of Elvis, Dies After Cardiac Arrest

Lisa Marie Presley, 54, a musician and the only daughter of rock 'n' roll legend Elvis Presley, died Thursday after a cardiac arrest and being rushed to a Los Angeles-area hospital, her mother said.

"It is with a heavy heart that I must share the devastating news that my beautiful daughter Lisa Marie has left us," her mother, Priscilla Presley, said in a statement.

"She was the most passionate, strong and loving woman I have ever known. We ask for privacy as we try to deal with this profound loss," the statement added.

Lisa Marie Presley suffered cardiac arrest in her home in the Los Angeles suburb of Calabasas, according to entertainment website TMZ. She was then taken to hospital on Thursday.

She was born in 1968 and was the owner of her father's Graceland mansion in Memphis, a popular tourist attraction. She was nine years old when Elvis died at Graceland in 1977.

Her own music career began with a 2003 debut album "To Whom It May Concern." It was followed by 2005's "Now What," and both hit the top 10 of the Billboard 200 album chart.

A third album, "Storm and Grace," was released in 2012.

She was married four times. She wed pop star Michael Jackson, in 1994, just 20 days after her divorce from her first husband, musician Danny Keough.

The high-profile couple divorced in 1996 as Jackson was battling child molestation allegations.

Presley married actor Nicholas Cage, a huge fan of her father, in 2002. Cage filed for divorce four months later.

Her fourth marriage was to her guitarist and music producer Michael Lockwood. Their divorce was finalized in 2021.

She had four children. Her only son, Benjamin Keough, died in 2020 at age 27. Daughter Riley Keough, 33, is an actress.

Her two other daughters are twins Harper and Finley Lockwood, 14.

https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/lisa-marie-presley-death-cardiac-arrest/2023/01/12/id/1104201/

[snide]

That's a shame. :sadangel:

[Jughead]

boosted = cardiac failure.


​​​​​​​lot's of that going around recently.

[MadInNc]

RIP:sadangel:

Wife and I were watching Elvis on HBO when we heard. BTW - good movie.

[cptlo306]

boosted = cardiac failure.


​​​​​​​lot's of that going around recently.

Jumping to conclusions without all the facts.

Lot's of that going around recently.

[Tikiman]

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[Aerovette]

Jumping to conclusions without all the facts.

Lot's of that going around recently.

Hiding facts trumps it all.

[LATB]

I never cared for Elvis. And that was before he became a sad cliche.

All I know about Lisa Marie is she is Elvis' daughter and she married Michael Jackson.

I hope she rests in peace.

[Tikiman]

Hell, I never knew she sang. Hopefully she was better than Yoko Ono.

[Mick]

She was a big vax pusher, that is a fact.

However, a 54 year old with a LONG history of drug and alcohol abuse having a heart attack and dying was not much of a surprise long before the world ever heard of Covid.

Jerry Garcia was 53 in 1995 when he had a heart attack and died. Not only were people not all that surprised, but lots of folks thought he had been on borrowed time for a while when it happened.

RIP Lisa Marie. :sadangel:

[Vette40th]

Hell, I never knew she sang. Hopefully she was better than Yoko Ono.

She did fairly well

[cptlo306]

Hiding facts trumps it all.

So everyone under a certain age that dies, their family should provide full details on their cause of death? That would be pointless because you wouldn't believe it anyway if it didn't specifically say the vaccines were the cause.

To this point, there are no facts, despite fake bombshells on Twitter or movies with incomplete info, that the vaccines are the root cause of deaths like this. Who knows...maybe in time, there will be facts that prove it, but at this point, that isn't the case.

In LMP's case, her family has a long history of heart issues and she had a history of drug abuse but I guess we should ignore all that and blame the vaccines. Stupid.

[Vette40th]

Covid vax is a valid subject, concern in every death as of late especially you athletes. The numbers show something has caused an increase in deathz. Lookat the chemicals that were used in this crap. Tell me, prove to me they arent some bs poisons. Some of them are for sure.

[Dan47]

So everyone under a certain age that dies, their family should provide full details on their cause of death? That would be pointless because you wouldn't believe it anyway if it didn't specifically say the vaccines were the cause.

To this point, there are no facts, despite fake bombshells on Twitter or movies with incomplete info, that the vaccines are the root cause of deaths like this. Who knows...maybe in time, there will be facts that prove it, but at this point, that isn't the case.

In LMP's case, her family has a long history of heart issues and she had a history of drug abuse but I guess we should ignore all that and blame the vaccines. Stupid.

What’s the risk in assuming she died from the covid vaccine, or not?

[Vette40th]

So everyone under a certain age that dies, their family should provide full details on their cause of death? That would be pointless because you wouldn't believe it anyway if it didn't specifically say the vaccines were the cause.. His heart condition is not a heart attack or cardiac arrest it is just a known issue where you have a high heart rate at rest and combined with his drug use he died

To this point, there are no facts, despite fake bombshells on Twitter or movies with incomplete info, that the vaccines are the root cause of deaths like this. Who knows...maybe in time, there will be facts that prove it, but at this point, that isn't the case.

In LMP's case, her family has a long history of heart issues and she had a history of drug abuse but I guess we should ignore all that and blame the vaccines. Stupid.
Elvis died of arrythmia and drugs. Precilla has never had heart issues brought to the public.

[cptlo306]

What’s the risk in assuming she died from the covid vaccine, or not?

Possibly spewing misinformation when making statements of fact that could be wrong and, in the case of LMP, likely wrong..

[cptlo306]

Elvis died of arrythmia and drugs. Precilla has never had heart issues brought to the public.

So Elvis had heart problems combined with drugs. Elvis' mother died of a heart attack at age 46.

[Tikiman]

Who else remembers two years ago when every single death was attributed to the Chinese Sniffles? I do. :lol:

Here's the head of the CDC admitting it.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Covid vax is a valid subject, concern in every death as of late especially you athletes. The numbers show something has caused an increase in deathz. Lookat the chemicals that were used in this crap. Tell me, prove to me they arent some bs poisons. Some of them are for sure.

Meh. I don’t buy that bullshit for a second. What kind of vehicle do you drive? As soon as you bought your Subaru I bet you started seeing Subarus all over the place. Prior to that you never noticed them.

It’s the same thing with someone under the age of 90 passing away. We blame the jab on everything now from male pattern baldness to premature ejaculation because the topic is omnipresent.

People 54 years old tip over dead on the daily.

[Tikiman]

Perhaps, but we're seeing a pile of 16 to 24 year old people dropping like flies.

[Tikiman]

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[Dan47]

Possibly spewing misinformation when making statements of fact that could be wrong and, in the case of LMP, likely wrong..

Which does what, what are the consequences of this misinformation?

I remember when my business was forced to close by the government and I was standing in a line at Costco. Someone was explaining how I shouldn’t spread misinformation about how stupid that was.

Apparently, questioning the narrative is dangerous, in your mind?

[gs568]

Will have to find my Graceland pics to see if there is room for another. Rest in Peace.

[Dan47]

“The “Next Pandemic” Is Coming, Says Bill Gates, Who Says More Censorship Needed To “Moderate Some Of The Insanity Online”

https://wethepundit.com/the-next-pandemic-is-coming-says-bill-gates-who-says-more-censorship-needed-to-moderate-some-of-the-insanity-online-naturalnews-com/

Wow. :yesnod:

[Bruze]

What’s the risk in assuming she died from the covid vaccine, or not?

Why isn't the medical community even INTERESTED?

Has there been any kind of press conference explaining what happened to the Bills' Hamlin?

We're living in an era of junk science regarding medicine, climate change, and anything else that can be politicized.

Lefty Bill Maher has been moving to the center because he can't ignore some facts any more. Neil DeGrasser is wrong in still believing that the clot shot prevents transmission.

"99% of scientists agree with whoever is funding them."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-guKkSYmA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CquiSjgJNc8

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Perhaps, but we're seeing a pile of 16 to 24 year old people dropping like flies.

Are we? Or are we hyper-aware of these deaths BECAUSE of the jab and its dubious effectiveness?

For the record, I’m jab free for two reason;

#1 I’m not down with experimental drugs. If I tip over from smoking 4 packs a day or run my motorcycle into a wall that’s on me 100%.


#2 I ****in’ HATE being told ‘You shall’ by ANYONE. I’ve got some sort of oppositional defiant syndrome. :Jeff '79:

[Vette40th]

So Elvis had heart problems combined with drugs. Elvis' mother died of a heart attack at age 46.

His long history. Elvis died with drug overdose

[cptlo306]

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https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-314758521580

[Vette40th]

Meh. I don’t buy that bullshit for a second. What kind of vehicle do you drive? As soon as you bought your Subaru I bet you started seeing Subarus all over the place. Prior to that you never noticed them.

It’s the same thing with someone under the age of 90 passing away. We blame the jab on everything now from male pattern baldness to premature ejaculation because the topic is omnipresent.

People 54 years old tip over dead on the daily.
And that is your opinion which I respect

[cptlo306]

Which does what, what are the consequences of this misinformation?

I remember when my business was forced to close by the government and I was standing in a line at Costco. Someone was explaining how I shouldn’t spread misinformation about how stupid that was.

Apparently, questioning the narrative is dangerous, in your mind?

Nope, I've never said questioning the narrative is wrong. I've stated that I don't know if the vaccines are causing these issues or not. Nobody does. Yet people post fake posters, statements as facts, etc. blaming the vaccines. Nobody knows for sure at this point.

The false information (like the poster in a post above listing 'sudden death') could impact decisions that people make. Spreading misinformation either intentionally or without doing a tiny bit of research to verify it is accurate should be avoided. Asking questions is fine.

[Jughead]

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-314758521580



It's whatever you believe. Get used to it baby.

[Dan47]

Nope, I've never said questioning the narrative is wrong. I've stated that I don't know if the vaccines are causing these issues or not. Nobody does. Yet people post fake posters, statements as facts, etc. blaming the vaccines. Nobody knows for sure at this point.

The false information (like the poster in a post above listing 'sudden death') could impact decisions that people make. Spreading misinformation either intentionally or without doing a tiny bit of research to verify it is accurate should be avoided. Asking questions is fine.

I view these posts as questioning the official narrative, not misinformation. No one I’m aware of, knows for certain. But it appears a lot of misinformation has been created and released by authorities, like government and the pharmaceutical industry. :yesnod:

[Bruze]

Nope, I've never said questioning the narrative is wrong. I've stated that I don't know if the vaccines are causing these issues or not. Nobody does. Yet people post fake posters, statements as facts, etc. blaming the vaccines. Nobody knows for sure at this point.

The false information (like the poster in a post above listing 'sudden death') could impact decisions that people make. Spreading misinformation either intentionally or without doing a tiny bit of research to verify it is accurate should be avoided. Asking questions is fine.

The so-called "scientific/medical" community has the burden of addressing the public honestly and they aren't doing that. Pre-2021 we always knew why young people suddenly died.

Now it's crickets or outright lying or fudging reality at best.

They aren't addressing the public AT ALL despite tons of global data showing HUGE problems with the initial testing phase of the clot shots and adverse events since.

They are on the wrong side of history, as time will show.

[Bill]

So everyone under a certain age that dies, their family should provide full details on their cause of death? That would be pointless because you wouldn't believe it anyway if it didn't specifically say the vaccines were the cause.

To this point, there are no facts, despite fake bombshells on Twitter or movies with incomplete info, that the vaccines are the root cause of deaths like this. Who knows...maybe in time, there will be facts that prove it, but at this point, that isn't the case.

In LMP's case, her family has a long history of heart issues and she had a history of drug abuse but I guess we should ignore all that and blame the vaccines. Stupid.

:iagree:




All you said is true, and I agree. Having said that, you have to admit that there are an inordinate amount of young, very fit people who do NOT have a history of drug and alcohol abuse (namely athletes that get tested for all that) who ARE dropping like flies. Both things can be true, that this very well may be natural causes AND there's something going on with the injected.

[Dan47]

The so-called "scientific/medical" community has the burden of addressing the public honestly and they aren't doing that. Pre-2021 we always knew why young people suddenly died.

Now it's crickets or outright lying or fudging reality at best.

They aren't addressing the public AT ALL despite tons of global data showing HUGE problems with the initial testing phase of the clot shots and adverse events since.

They are on the wrong side of history, as time will show.

Speaking of misinformation, my FIL’s brother was buried at taxpayer expense for allowing his death to be attributed to covid, which he did not have!!!

Lying liars. :yesnod:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

you have to admit that there are an inordinate amount of young, very fit people who do NOT have a history,,,.
Who has to admit? You have any proof to back this up or does it just ‘seem’ like it.

FYI; Some mope in Dumpwater USA posting on a message board doesn’t constitute ’proof.’

[Bill]

Nope, I've never said questioning the narrative is wrong. I've stated that I don't know if the vaccines are causing these issues or not. Nobody does. Yet people post fake posters, statements as facts, etc. blaming the vaccines. Nobody knows for sure at this point.

The false information (like the poster in a post above listing 'sudden death') could impact decisions that people make. Spreading misinformation either intentionally or without doing a tiny bit of research to verify it is accurate should be avoided. Asking questions is fine.


You know who has been proven to have done that, over and over again? Your own government. The MSM. The medical establishment. Hollywood. All have absolutely put out false information that could impact decisions people make.

In simpler terms, it was they who drew first blood here. Your government drew first blood, and the first casualty was the truth. So now that same lying government calling citizens out for questioning....that's a lot of chutzpah there.

[Jughead]

Follow the science back to the money.

[cptlo306]

You know who has been proven to have done that, over and over again? Your own government. The MSM. The medical establishment. Hollywood. All have absolutely put out false information that could impact decisions people make.

In simpler terms, it was they who drew first blood here. Your government drew first blood, and the first casualty was the truth. So now that same lying government calling citizens out for questioning....that's a lot of chutzpah there.

So everyone is making up shit. That sounds like a recipe for disaster.

[LATB]

Who has to admit? You have any proof to back this up or does it just ‘seem’ like it.

FYI; Some mope in Dumpwater USA posting on a message board doesn’t constitute ’proof.’

:rofl::rofl:

[Bill]

So everyone is making up shit. That sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Exactly! That's a very apt description of the last two years.....disaster. More specifically, a man-made disaster.

[Tikiman]

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[Bruze]

So everyone is making up shit. That sounds like a recipe for disaster.

If all you know is what you read on forums by unknown posters (like me) then I can understand your skepticism.

There is tons of global data showing the HUGE problems with these experimental shots.

Check out the Bills at Bengals thread (https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130890) for a peek under the hood (the more recent pages).

"You must have the courage to face the truth."

[cptlo306]

If all you know is what you read on forums by unknown posters (like me) then I can understand your skepticism.

There is tons of global data showing the HUGE problems with these experimental shots.

Check out the Bills at Bengals thread (https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130890) for a peek under the hood.

"You must have the courage to face the truth."

I've been reading that thread also and there is tons of misinformation in it also.

[cptlo306]

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A simple google search shows her cause of death.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2022/06/21/medical-examiner-says-heart-disease-caused-death-dr-sarahbeth-hartlage/7131223001/

[Tikiman]

A simple google search shows her cause of death.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2022/06/21/medical-examiner-says-heart-disease-caused-death-dr-sarahbeth-hartlage/7131223001/

Clearly "misinformation". :yesnod:

[cptlo306]

Clearly "misinformation". :yesnod:

Negative.

[Bill]

I've been reading that thread also and there is tons of misinformation in it also.

Would you agree that there's enough legitimate question about the safety and efficacy of the injections, that at minimum, our government should stop forcing and coercing them on people? Could we at least agree on that simple base line?

And then there's the second question of, are we still in an emergency? If we aren't in an emergency anymore, then the EUA for the shots should be rescinded. Brandon wants it both ways. He wants to say there is no emergency to lift Title 42 protection for Americans against the illegal alien invasion hordes, but wants to say there IS an emergency to keep on controlling and coercing American citizens. We really need to pick one.

Is there still an emergency that warrants pushing shots of questionable benefit or not? Is there still benefit to discrimination against those who chose not to take the experimental injections? All the military members fired for not taking the shots.....is there still any reason to keep them from reenlisting now?

Is all this really about covid, or is it more about control, and punishing those who refused and refuse to submit?

[Aerovette]

So everyone under a certain age that dies, their family should provide full details on their cause of death? That would be pointless because you wouldn't believe it anyway if it didn't specifically say the vaccines were the cause.

To this point, there are no facts, despite fake bombshells on Twitter or movies with incomplete info, that the vaccines are the root cause of deaths like this. Who knows...maybe in time, there will be facts that prove it, but at this point, that isn't the case.

In LMP's case, her family has a long history of heart issues and she had a history of drug abuse but I guess we should ignore all that and blame the vaccines. Stupid.

TL;DR

They were VERY adamant about blaming every death in 2020/2021 on Covid but completely ignore any deaths that could be vax related. There is no more, or less information that can be garnered from an alleged Covid death, that cannot be garnered from a vax death. The difference is their heads are in the sand and fingers in their ears where the vax is concerned.

Anyone with an issue about blaming the vaccine in a broad stroke, should be equally bothered by the broad stroke of Covid.

[Tikiman]

Well, it says that she a condition which affected her body's ability to fight infection. Hmmm. What else causes that? Oh, yeah. The jab. It goes on to say that her arteries were severely clogged. What else causes that? Oh, yeah. Clots. :rofl: Well, I haven't heard any rumors about the clot shots causing "clots", so perhaps you are right. :funnier:

[theandies]

I don't get the obsession when celebrities have health issues. My mother is in an elderly rehab facility right now trying to get her strength back after some health issues. Where is her headline?

[Jughead]

Negative.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4nKj-OVMb5HiiFiAqqtizgU0W_6QaY9nNjQ&usqp=CAU

[cptlo306]

Would you agree that there's enough legitimate question about the safety and efficacy of the injections, that at minimum, our government should stop forcing and coercing them on people? Could we at least agree on that simple base line?


I don't think they ever should have been forced on anyone by the government. There is no question that the vaccines are not as effective now as they were when initially released. The variants now are much less dangerous than before.


And then there's the second question of, are we still in an emergency? If we aren't in an emergency anymore, then the EUA for the shots should be rescinded. Brandon wants it both ways. He wants to say there is no emergency to lift Title 42 protection for Americans against the illegal alien invasion hordes, but wants to say there IS an emergency to keep on controlling and coercing American citizens. We really need to pick one.

Is there still an emergency that warrants pushing shots of questionable benefit or not? Is there still benefit to discrimination against those who chose not to take the experimental injections? All the military members fired for not taking the shots.....is there still any reason to keep them from reenlisting now?

Is all this really about covid, or is it more about control, and punishing those who refused and refuse to submit?

Brandon is full of shit...always has been and always will be. As I said above, the shots should never have been forced on anyone so, yes, unvaxxed military members should be allowed back in. Heck, give them back pay as well since they shouldn't have been forced out to begin with.

[Taurus]

This seems pretty easy to understand, she was an long time admitted drug abuser in a family with a history of early heart disease and her heart gave out, go figure. Seems that's MUCH more likely a scenario than having some rare reaction to a vaccine.

But what do I know.

[Bruze]

I've been reading that thread also and there is tons of misinformation in it also.

You’ve been gaslit and there isn’t ANYTHING that will open your eyes. Don’t worry, you have a lot of company.

[cptlo306]

Anyone with an issue about blaming the vaccine in a broad stroke, should be equally bothered by the broad stroke of Covid.

I agree with this. Claims of Covid deaths were overblown...no question. These is proof of this.

[Aerovette]

This seems pretty easy to understand, she was an long time admitted drug abuser in a family with a history of early heart disease and her heart gave out, go figure. Seems that's MUCH more likely a scenario than having some rare reaction to a vaccine.

But what do I know.

There always seems to be a convenient comorbidity where the vax is suspect.

If an ex drug user died and had Covid, it somehow WASN'T drug related.

[Vette40th]

If you have Proof its misinformation, then prove it.
Most people here post links, to no shit facts, like in Bills thread.
Post you links to prove everyone is making misinformation posts. You had 3 years to have a database of proof.
I will wait

[cptlo306]

You’ve been gaslit and there isn’t ANYTHING that will open your eyes. Don’t worry, you have a lot of company.

Negative. I've posted that I don't know for sure if the vaccines are causing these deaths and that nobody knows for sure now. I've also posted that it is possible there is truth to it that may be proven at some point.

I'm not the one being gaslit.

[Murray]

TL;DR

They were VERY adamant about blaming every death in 2020/2021 on Covid but completely ignore any deaths that could be vax related. There is no more, or less information that can be garnered from an alleged Covid death, that cannot be garnered from a vax death. The difference is their heads are in the sand and fingers in their ears where the vax is concerned.

Anyone with an issue about blaming the vaccine in a broad stroke, should be equally bothered by the broad stroke of Covid.

Bullshit. Look up the leading cause of death at that time. If what you say is true Covid would be 1st by a landslide. It’s third behind heart issues and I think cancer. But yeah …..everyone died from Covid. :rolleyes:

[cptlo306]

If you have Proof its misinformation, then prove it.
Most people here post links, to no shit facts, like in Bills thread.
Post you links to prove everyone is making misinformation posts. You had 3 years to have a database of proof.
I will wait

I have. Check my previous posts in this thread and the Bills thread.

[cptlo306]

If an ex drug user died and had Covid, it somehow WASN'T drug related.

You're doing the same thing. LMP was a known drug user (add in a family history of heart issues) yet some are convinced she died due to the vaccine.

[Vette40th]

I have. Check my previous posts in this thread and the Bills thread.
1 post doea Not prove anythinf but one persoms post was a lie, in a twitter post?
You have not looked genuinely at deaths due to covid Vax. Data ia out there, and I am not your google.
Believe what you want, And I will agrre to disagree with you.
Covid Vax, which they werent even called per definition by doctors dictionary, were/are killing people.Mirriam Webster changed definition of vaccine per. BIdens admin request. Think about that and how deep the debacle goes.

[Taurus]

There always seems to be a convenient comorbidity where the vax is suspect.

If an ex drug user died and had Covid, it somehow WASN'T drug related.

I volunteer online at a major medical website (owned by IB) leading the heart disease related communities and I assure you youngish people with a history of long term drug abuse have been dying of heart disease brought on by their addiction for decades. Her case was no shocker and trying to pin it on a vaccination takes attention away from the real lesson to be learned by her death.

Just my opinion having worked with such people since the 1990's.

[Vette40th]

Drugs like she was using for years are definitely a contributing factor.
No doubt. Vaccine could have been too
But, until toxicology and autopsy say othewise, we are all speculating

[Tikiman]

1 post doea Not prove anythinf but one persoms post was a lie, in a twitter post?
You have not looked genuinely at deaths due to covid Vax. Data ia out there, and I am not your google.
Believe what you want, And I will agrre to disagree with you.
Covid Vax, which they werent even called per definition by doctors dictionary, were/are killing people.Mirriam Webster changed definition of vaccine per. BIdens admin request. Think about that and how deep the debacle goes.

:iagree:


In 2009, Pfizer was fined $2.3 BILLION dollars for bribing doctors and falsifying test data.















So you know you can trust them. :rofl:

[Bill]

There always seems to be a convenient comorbidity where the vax is suspect.

If an ex drug user died and had Covid, it somehow WASN'T drug related.

AKA, the George Floyd principle. No, it wasn't the lethal amount of fentanyl, or the crazy drug cocktail of other illicit drugs in his system, wasn't the covid, and wasn't the drug induced excited delirium combined with fighting with the cops, or the possibly vaxx related heart enlargement......none of that had any deleterious effect on Floyd. It was simply that mean ol' cop who kneeled on his back that caused Floyd's death.....certainly not a drug OD.

See how simple it is when you base things on convenient narrative, not actual facts?

[Bill]

For those who have not yet seen it, here's a link to the "Died Suddenly" documentary. They've got video of multiple funeral home embalmers showing you actual shit they pulled out of the dead that were clogging blood vessels and organs.

https://www.diedsuddenly.info/

What is this stuff, why is it being found in dead people from different parts of the country, and why now? You could even say it is a novel malady. These embalmers have been draining blood from people for decades, and they all say they never saw anything like this stuff. So, what is it, and what caused it? What happened in the last couple of years that might be responsible?

https://www.diedsuddenly.info/

[Aerovette]

Bullshit. Look up the leading cause of death at that time. If what you say is true Covid would be 1st by a landslide. It’s third behind heart issues and I think cancer. But yeah …..everyone died from Covid. :rolleyes:

Sorry that you never watched American news at the time. You missed a shit-ton of misinformation.

[Aerovette]

I volunteer online at a major medical website (owned by IB) leading the heart disease related communities and I assure you youngish people with a history of long term drug abuse have been dying of heart disease brought on by their addiction for decades. Her case was no shocker and trying to pin it on a vaccination takes attention away from the real lesson to be learned by her death.

Just my opinion having worked with such people since the 1990's.

Obviously WebMD

Unless they had Covid.

[Taurus]

Drugs like she was using for years are definitely a contributing factor.
No doubt. Vaccine could have been too
But, until toxicology and autopsy say othewise, we are all speculating

Toxicology reports will not prove much, it's about the damage done to her heart after decades of heavy, heavy drug use like her dad. It's not really about what's in her system at the time she passed. I'm going to guess her autopsy will show she had dilated cardiomyopathy attributed to drug use which caused her heart to no longer be able to conduct electrical impulses.

Again folks, trying to blame this on a vaccination is deflecting from the real reason for her death and that's the lesson people need to learn.

[Taurus]

Obviously WebMD

Unless they had Covid.

Everything else is secondary.

[Jughead]

Sorry that you never watched American news at the time. You missed a shit-ton of misinformation.



All the dead bodies in NYC piling up in lines of refrigerated 18 wheelers.

People have short memories.

[Vette40th]

All the dead bodies in NYC piling up in lines of refrigerated 18 wheelers.

People have short memories.
They ended up in Hart island. Been doing it for some time. No name, no grave for you.

[Tikiman]

All the dead bodies in NYC piling up in lines of refrigerated 18 wheelers.

People have short memories.

I remember in 2020 when so many people were dropping from the Chinese Sniffles that they had to empty the ice cream cooler at the local Safeway to store all the bodies. :rofl:

[Aerovette]

Remember Governor Cuomo in tears pleading for respirators to stop all the deaths from heart failure?

They even had a ship sent as a floating hospital to address all the heart failures.

Hospitals full of patients dying from Heart failure. It was all over the news.

After all it was the number one killer at the time, right?


:rofl:

[Dan47]

Remember Governor Cuomo in tears pleading for respirators to stop all the deaths from heart failure?

They even had a ship sent as a floating hospital to address all the heart failures.

Hospitals full of patients dying from Heart failure. It was all over the news.

After all it was the number one killer at the time, right?


:rofl:

And the heroic, overwhelmed medical personnel, that went the extra mile and made tic toc dance videos. :lol:

Tik Tok Dancing Nurses? What Is This Garbage? Empty Hospitals? - YouTube

I've been tired from working too much, even a little time in combat. I didn't make tic toc videos and would have been pounded into the ground by others, if I asked them to forgo sleep, for this type of nonsense.

Pure B.S., these folks are not overworked nor overwhelmed. They're well rested and fos.

[Onebadcad]

Very sad that she passed, condolences to her mother and three daughters.

[Vette40th]

Meh. I don’t buy that bullshit for a second. What kind of vehicle do you drive? As soon as you bought your Subaru I bet you started seeing Subarus all over the place. Prior to that you never noticed them.

It’s the same thing with someone under the age of 90 passing away. We blame the jab on everything now from male pattern baldness to premature ejaculation because the topic is omnipresent.

People 54 years old tip over dead on the daily.
We can play stats all day long. But its not unreasonable to say, the deaths we have had lately after the vax to certain groups has skyrocketed.
And I dont drive a subaru..

[Anjdog2003]

I agree with this. Claims of Covid deaths were overblown...no question. These is proof of this.




Lie, it's a lie. Gov. Bonehead Newsom said 25 million people from California could get Covid and die, he's right. Hardly anyone on the freeways and L.A has become a ghost town. :yesnod:

[Aerovette]

Every year there is a review of "those we lost" in the celebrity or sports world. I have not done so, but it would be an interesting exercise to see the graph of the numbers. It also does not escape me that I RARELY heard of any celebs refusing the clot shot. Quite the opposite. They were pushers.

[Aerovette]

Lie, it's a lie. Gov. Bonehead Newsom said 25 million people from California could get Covid and die, he's right. Hardly anyone on the freeways and L.A has become a ghost town. :yesnod:

Are you starting to feel like you are in the movie "I am Legend"?

Also, I'll bet vans are plentiful. Might be time for an upgrade. Maybe something that is just one color or has the glass intact?

[GTOguy]

Lie, it's a lie. Gov. Bonehead Newsom said 25 million people from California could get Covid and die, he's right. Hardly anyone on the freeways and L.A has become a ghost town. :yesnod:

When he said that, the whole state panicked. He caused a LOT of stress, hoarding, and runs on supplies. Asshole.

[Mick]

And the heroic, overwhelmed medical personnel, that went the extra mile and made tic toc dance videos. :lol:

Tik Tok Dancing Nurses? What Is This Garbage? Empty Hospitals? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhUAJRYA3bk)

I've been tired from working too much, even a little time in combat. I didn't make tic toc videos and would have been pounded into the ground by others, if I asked them to forgo sleep, for this type of nonsense.

Pure B.S., these folks are not overworked nor overwhelmed. They're well rested and fos.

This I agree with. I had the misfortune of having a medical problem at the height of Covid, and got into a local hospital for a while. It was almost empty. Others in my family also had MANY medical problems from June 2020 to May 2021, most of the time I was not allowed in, but the few times I was, they were always empty. When I went to the hospital for follow up treatments of my own, they were always empty.

Ask "egnalf" about the leased refrigerator trucks for all the dead bodies.

So much bullshit was shown on TV, it is staggering that obviously so many knew it was wrong, and said nothing.

Every year there is a review of "those we lost" in the celebrity or sports world. I have not done so, but it would be an interesting exercise to see the graph of the numbers. It also does not escape me that I RARELY heard of any celebs refusing the clot shot. Quite the opposite. They were pushers.

Be careful here. Several years ago (before anyone ever heard of Covid), some folks were saying "it seems like so many more famous baseball players are dying every year than they used to". It seems that way, because they are. The expansion of the league over the years has meant that there are more and more players per year, with some percentage of them being famous, it means there are more famous players now than in years passed.

Since nearly all players are between 25 and 35 years old, the famous players of any era tend to die in droves about 50 years after they play. The players dying today were playing about 50 years ago, 1972, when there were 24 teams, or about 600 active players. Twenty years before that, in 1952, there were 16 teams, or about 400 active players. So it makes sense that there would be 50% more famous players dying each year now, compared to 20 years ago.

The same can be said for other entertainment types.

[Aerovette]

This I agree with. I had the misfortune of having a medical problem at the height of Covid, and got into a local hospital for a while. It was almost empty. Others in my family also had MANY medical problems from June 2020 to May 2021, most of the time I was not allowed in, but the few times I was, they were always empty. When I went to the hospital for follow up treatments of my own, they were always empty.

Ask "egnalf" about the leased refrigerator trucks for all the dead bodies.

So much bullshit was shown on TV, it is staggering that obviously so many knew it was wrong, and said nothing.



Be careful here. Several years ago (before anyone ever heard of Covid), some folks were saying "it seems like so many more famous baseball players are dying every year than they used to". It seems that way, because they are. The expansion of the league over the years has meant that there are more and more players per year, with some percentage of them being famous, it means there are more famous players now than in years passed.

Since nearly all players are between 25 and 35 years old, the famous players of any era tend to die in droves about 50 years after they play. The players dying today were playing about 50 years ago, 1972, when there were 24 teams, or about 600 active players. Twenty years before that, in 1952, there were 16 teams, or about 400 active players. So it makes sense that there would be 50% more famous players dying each year now, compared to 20 years ago.

The same can be said for other entertainment types.

Fair enough. A graph of age might be a good additional piece of the puzzle.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

We can play stats all day long. But its not unreasonable to say, the deaths we have had lately after the vax to certain groups has skyrocketed.
And I dont drive a subaru..

Data will bear this out of course. Got some?

[Vette40th]

A simple google search shows her cause of death.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2022/06/21/medical-examiner-says-heart-disease-caused-death-dr-sarahbeth-hartlage/7131223001/

Average life expectancy, 30-40 years old, 20 people a year get it, mostly boys, and its hereditary..
Very sad. But, she got hit with a rare anti immune deficiency disorder. COvid vaccine probably wasnt a real concern for her to get when she knew her time was up soon anyway.. Didnt help, I bet.

[Vette40th]

Data will bear this out of course. Got some?

Yes.. It is available to you too. Just go find it like the data that you think is the opposite.
I am not your duckduckgo or google.. You are a grown ass man..
Just open your eyes, take the government indoctrinated blinders off, and get some knowledge.

[Aerovette]

Data will bear this out of course. Got some?

Data like climate change data?

Data has lost it's value in this "find the answer you want to find" world. If you got the data, you would say it was wrong. Same as I would do with data to the contrary. Data doesn't mean shit anymore.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Yes.. It is available to you too. Just go find it like the data that you think is the opposite.
I am not your duckduckgo or google.. You are a grown ass man..
Just open your eyes, take the government indoctrinated blinders off, and get some knowledge.

If you think I suffer from government indoctrinated blindness you're a complete and total idiot. :spdchk:

[Aerovette]

If you think I suffer from government indoctrinated blindness you're a complete and total idiot. :spdchk:

That's been said about many things that have then turned out to be true.

I'm actually not blind and if the government indoctrinated me, my message would be 180 degrees from what it is.

We are experiencing the movie Idiocracy mixed with 1984 and everyone is complimenting the Emperor's new clothes where this faux vaccine is concerned.

[Vette40th]

If you think I suffer from government indoctrinated blindness you're a complete and total idiot. :spdchk:
Idiot hmm, right for the throat, lol.
They say when you have Nothing, you insult. Well, You seem to believe in the vaccine and that it does no harm. So there that him/he.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Data has lost it's value in this "find the answer you want to find" world. If you got the data, you would say it was wrong. Same as I would do with data to the contrary. Data doesn't mean shit anymore.

You've got a point.

Regardless. Like I said upthread if someone dies before the ripe old age of 90 we get an endless parade of "It's the jab!" responses which I find ridiculous.

This little corner of the internet is hyper-conservative to the point of stupidity in a some cases. I'm convinced we have people here that keep a chain and padlock around their refrigerator at night so the man doesn't come in and poison their macaroni and cheese.

[Aerovette]

I did a Google search for "Was Lisa Marie recently vaccinated?" and the first page was full of articles dispelling any link.

Imagine how this connection became so automatic. Imagine what would make people even suspect it...and especially to the extent that an entire page of Google results addresses it.

The governments of the US and nearly every nation created this mess...this distrust. They did it and don't understand how it exists. They are somehow baffled by the monster they made.

[Vette40th]

I did a Google search for "Was Lisa Marie recently vaccinated?" and the first page was full of articles dispelling any link.

Imagine how this connection became so automatic. Imagine what would make people even suspect it...and especially to the extent that an entire page of Google results addresses it.

The governments of the US and nearly every nation created this mess...this distrust. They did it and don't understand how it exists. They are somehow baffled by the monster they made.
Do a duckduckgo or bing. Bet it will be a bit different.
The information age is overwhelmed with data. The government and the media have skewed most of that and we know it

[Burro (He/Haw)]

That's been said about many things that have then turned out to be true.

I'm actually not blind and if the government indoctrinated me, my message would be 180 degrees from what it is.

We are experiencing the movie Idiocracy mixed with 1984 and everyone is complimenting the Emperor's new clothes where this faux vaccine is concerned.

I'll make this as clear and concise as I possibly can.

Yes. The Rona was an absolute farce. Did people die from it? Sure did. But I know a poor **** who choked on a tortilla chip and takes the dirt nap. Not even kidding.

Yes. The jab was en even bigger farce which we were subjected to because of the first farce.

Yes. Gov indoctrination exists. And yes it's our RESPONSIBILTY to push back on that if we disagree. (Think through that one it's important)

[Aerovette]

I'll make this as clear and concise as I possibly can.

Yes. The Rona was an absolute farce. Did people die from it? Sure did. But I know a poor **** who choked on a tortilla chip and takes the dirt nap. Not even kidding.

Yes. The jab was en even bigger farce which we were subjected to because of the first farce.

Yes. Gov indoctrination exists. And yes it's our RESPONSIBILTY to push back on that if we disagree. (Think through that one it's important)

I'm not sure I see a difference in our opinions aside from this particular death. :cert:

[Tikiman]

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[Vette40th]

Apology to Giraffe, I went back and reread his posts. I dont always **** up reading comprehension, but when i do... Welp, I apologize.
Dont agree with everything, but I see where he is coming form.

[Aerovette]

Apology to Giraffe, I went back and reread his posts. I dont always **** up reading comprehension, but when i do... Welp, I apologize.
Dont agree with everything, but I see where he is coming form.

I must have read it the same way. :hide:

[Vette40th]

I never claimed to be smart, hell, I still drive a C4..

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Apology to Giraffe, I went back and reread his posts. I dont always **** up reading comprehension, but when i do... Welp, I apologize.
Dont agree with everything, but I see where he is coming form.

Ain’t no thing. We’ve all been there. :cert:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I stumbled upon this on Twatter and while I don’t buy it entirely it is pretty clever.

[cptlo306]

Brandon is full of shit...always has been and always will be. As I said above, the shots should never have been forced on anyone so, yes, unvaxxed military members should be allowed back in. Heck, give them back pay as well since they shouldn't have been forced out to begin with.

Some possible good news.

https://hotair.com/headlines/2023/01/13/reversal-pentagon-now-mulling-back-pay-for-covid-vaccine-refusers-n523626

[Chemtrails99]

OMG, why hasn't anybody brought up how great their EV or Tesla yet? Surely that needs to be discussed at some length here. :seasix:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

OMG, why hasn't anybody brought up how great their EV or Tesla yet? Surely that needs to be discussed at some length here. :seasix:

:yesnod:

[Aerovette]

How long before Greta announces she is gay?

[Burro (He/Haw)]

How long before Greta announces she is gay?

I don't know but until she does, I'm suffering! I'm dying!

[LATB]

92 grand in monthly spending is dangerous.

[GTOguy]

92 grand in monthly spending is dangerous.

Look what happened to Michael Jackson. And that Getty kid. Not good.

[Aerovette]

And to get back on topic....



Looks like Lisa managed to shit away everything that Pappy Elvis bequeathed to her :rofl:

That can happen when you didn't earn it.

[Aerovette]

Yeah it's real easy to do when it's not your money, just like Princess Diane did spending 9 grand a month on underwear.

I would be smashing up brand new C8 Z06's with a skid loader on YouTube just to laugh at all the angry responses over at the dumbshit forum :D

Imagine what it's worth now. :Jeff '79:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Princess Diane did spending 9 grand a month on underwear.


I'd wear them on my head and masturbate in a Dixie cup.









What?









Like you wouldn't.











Liar.

[Taurus]

Lisa Marie had a net worth of $-16M when she died. :confused5:

[LATB]

My point is that 92 grand a month in spending can get one in a world of trouble if you are not well grounded.

[Taurus]

My point is that 92 grand a month in spending can get one in a world of trouble if you are not well grounded.

I agree, you gotta be waaaaaaaaaaay out of control to end up $16M in the hole.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I agree, you gotta be waaaaaaaaaaay out of control to end up $16M in the hole.

That's a LOT of scratch but the Presley name is worth a fortune. She could recover from that in short order I'd think.

[Aerovette]

That's a LOT of scratch but the Presley name is worth a fortune. She could recover from that in short order I'd think.

Probably not so much now. :D


:sadangel:

[Bruze]

My point is that 92 grand a month in spending can get one in a world of trouble if you are not well grounded.

Are you saying she might've been a "high maintenance broad"? :confused:

[Bill]

https://media.patriots.win/post/AEdcVGX9cYgo.jpeg

[outrunm]

Imagine what it's worth now. :Jeff '79:

Just the dirty ones.

[Vette40th]

Look what happened to Michael Jackson. And that Getty kid. Not good.The Getty kid that was kidnapped?
Getty Money is incredible money..

[Anjdog2003]

Are you saying she might've been a "high maintenance broad"? :confused:






Going out to dinner with her with a coupon wouldn't work.

[Bruze]

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[Bruze]

https://twitter.com/sabinehazanmd/status/1613924443788808193?s=46&t=AdX2I2O7ClbALHUxcZUbzQ

[Bruze]

https://twitter.com/drelidavid/status/1586304193496846336?s=46&t=vazzka5rHeH64OzulKdMkQ

[PLRX]

Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley (Jackson) KISS ! - YouTube

[Aerovette]

Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley (Jackson) KISS ! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoWG7wteVYM&ab_channel=VickyJackson)

Wonder if she tasted Macaulay Culkin ? :puke:

[PLRX]

Wonder if she tasted Macaulay Culkin ? :puke:

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=3437