the four-day trip, Wolfe says she spent more time charging the vehicle than sleeping

[Mike Mercury]

First-time EV owner shares ‘cautionary tale’ after it took 15 hours to drive 178 miles

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/first-time-ev-owner-shares-cautionary-tale-15-hours-drive-178-miles

After Colorado resident Alan O’Hashi purchased his all-electric Nissan Leaf -- and became a first-time electric vehicle (EV) owner -- he thought he was ready to embark on the first leg of a 2,600-mile road trip across Wyoming.

But the eager traveler was faced with a harsh truth after a 178-mile route took 15 hours to complete, when normally it would clock in at two-and-a-half hours.

"I was rudely awakened when I determined that the charging wasn't as rapid as some people would lead you to believe, likely the dealers," O’Hashi said in an interview on "Varney & Co." Friday, "and I think people like myself, we go into it a bit blindly."

O’Hashi blames the road bump on a combination of part user error and part "lack of adequate infrastructure" in the car’s charging capabilities.

"I had done some research. I knew a little bit about electric vehicles, and the charging and potential obstacles, and I did some pre-planning for the trip," O’Hashi said, "but I didn't actually have any practical experience with that."

Deciding to stick with the original plan, O’Hashi took notes detailing the trials and tribulations of long-distance road trips in electric vehicles and published his travel log in a book titled, "On the Trail: Electrical Vehicle Anxiety."

"It is a cautionary tale, and [tells] how people just need to realize the current limitations and what the potential is for the future," the EV owner said.

Similar to O’Hashi, The Wall Street Journal’s Rachel Wolfe thought a drive from New Orleans to Chicago and back in a brand-new Kia EV6 she rented would be "fun."

"Given our battery range of up to 310 miles, I plotted a meticulous route, splitting our days into four chunks of roughly seven and a half hours each. We'd need to charge once or twice each day and plug in near our hotel overnight," Wolfe wrote.

But after the four-day trip was over, Wolfe claimed she spent more time charging the vehicle than she did sleeping.

"It turns out not all ‘fast chargers’ live up to the name. The biggest variable, according to State of Charge, is how many kilowatts a unit can churn out in an hour," Wolfe explained in her op-ed. "To be considered ‘fast,’ a charger must be capable of about 24 kW. The fastest chargers can pump out up to 350. Our charger in Meridian, [Mississippi] claims to meet that standard, but it has trouble cracking 20."

Neither Wolfe nor O’Hashi sounded dedicated to the idea of taking an electric vehicle on another long-distance trip.

"Fumes never smelled so sweet," Wolfe thought when filling up her 2008 Volkswagen Jetta with gas after returning home.

In an effort to increase the number of reliable charging stations nationwide, the U.S. Department of Transportation proposed standards and requirements earlier this year for EV charging projects funded under a $5 billion government program.

By 2030, President Biden wants 50% of all new vehicles sold to be electric or plug-in hybrid electric models and 500,000 new EV charging stations.

Charging station reliability, however, is key for the Biden administration's efforts to get Americans to switch to electric vehicles to be successful.

"Everyone should be able to count on fast charging, fair pricing and easy-to-use payment," Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg previously said.

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[Tikiman]

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[Big bob]

The infrastructure can't handle what we have now. Now add all the assholes around that will be fighting over the chargers you can't make this shit up. :rofl:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

While that makes for interesting reading, make no mistake. EVs are coming and will be here to stay.

[mrvette]

While that makes for interesting reading, make no mistake. EVs are coming and will be here to stay.

NO, not without YEUGGE!!!! increases in battery tech.......maybe in 50 years, but not even then, possibly......

[Tikiman]

NO, not without YEUGGE!!!! increases in battery tech.......maybe in 50 years, but not even then, possibly......


That's what I thought as well, when I read it, but then I looked at who posted it and simply ignored it.

[Bill]

While that makes for interesting reading, make no mistake. EVs are coming and will be here to stay.

Because there is no electricity to get them to leave.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

NO, not without YEUGGE!!!! increases in battery tech.......maybe in 50 years, but not even then, possibly......

I can assure you it's happening long before your 50 year mark. Deny as you might, it's coming.

[LATB]

I can assure you it's happening long before your 50 year mark. Deny as you might, it's coming.

Aren't they already here? :island14:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Aren't they already here? :island14:

Absolutely they are. But you have options right now. You don’t HAVE to buy one. Those options are going to vanish.

[mrvette]

I can assure you it's happening long before your 50 year mark. Deny as you might, it's coming.

OK for YOU, long as YOU trust a China made battinator.....:issues::confused5::dance:

[Steve_R]

Absolutely they are. But you have options right now. You don’t HAVE to buy one. Those options are going to vanish.

When will we have no options except EVs?

Not in my lifetime.

[LATB]

Absolutely they are. But you have options right now. You don’t HAVE to buy one. Those options are going to vanish.

I'm not so sure about that.
There are a lot of ICE needs that the EV technology has a long way to go before it can replace the current ICE application.

Airline
Agriculture
Forestry
Trucking
Shipping
Space exploration

To name a few...

:bigears:

[Big bob]

They are still avoiding the facts on how much damage is done to produce and disposal of the battery. Then add the way power is made. ICE is looking better all the time.:slap:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

When will we have no options except EVs?

Not in my lifetime.

No. You’re old like me. We’ll never have to buy one but your kids might. And grandkids definitely.

[Yadkin]

The infrastructure can't handle what we have now. Now add all the assholes around that will be fighting over the chargers you can't make this shit up. :rofl:

Here they park at the pump while they go in the store, take a dump, buy cigs and lottery tickets, then fill their tank. Whoever thinks that shitty etiquette will improve because they are forced to drive an EV needs to have his head examined. :Jeff '79:

[Big bob]

There it is called mountain time get used to it. They have to go in to pay cash first.:)

[GTOguy]

The outfit I used to work for was instructed to peruse EV car transporter trucks. 6 to 8 car capacity, to replace our diesel tractor/trailer rigs.
The best one came in priced at $550,000 and had a range under full capacity of about 150 miles before it would need an overnight charge.

So trips from Fresno to Sacramento and back would be 3 days, instead of about 6 hours.
This would include per diem hotels and meals and take a worker out of service for 36 hours instead of 6. Not doable in the real world, no matter how much the liberals want it to be. Kind of like wishing all people to be good people. Not gonna happen.

[Lakota]

Sandy Munro of Munro Live did an 11 day 8500 mile trip awhile ago across the USA with an employee in a Tesla. He claimed they had no problem recharging since they only used Tesla charging stations.

Sandy claimed he saw part of the USA where there was only flat earth as far as you could see and not even a tumbleweed in sight. What there was was a Tesla charging station. :shots:

[Onebadcad]

When you buy an ev you support the idiots pushing the idiotic option.
When you buy an ev you accelerate the ruination of ICE.
When you buy an ev you join a sorority of idiots.

Be an idiot if you want, but don't peddle your BS in here.

There is a truckload of other issues, specifically power grid is, and will not be, capable to handle ev charging as it is pushed on us, AND if ever comes that day IT WILL NOT BE CHEAPER THAN GASOLINE.

And we all know what powers the grid,,,

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I'm not so sure about that.
There are a lot of ICE needs that the EV technology has a long way to go before it can replace the current ICE application.

Airline
Agriculture
Forestry
Trucking
Shipping
Space exploration

To name a few...

:bigears:
I'm primarily talking about passenger cars and light trucks.

[Torqaholic]

Watched a vid yesterday some guy with a new Ford pickup truck made about charging his truck. It was at 50% when he started. Took 12 hours to reach full charge. That was 220 volts and 30 Amps. He did calculations showing comparison costs to a gas truck. Claimed 70K miles until break even due to higher initial cost of the E-truck and estimated it would be 10 years given his current driving habits and estimated costs of maintenance. Not counting the price of battery replacements in his new truck so he must be getting those for free somehow.

[GTOguy]

Watched a vid yesterday some guy with a new Ford pickup truck made about charging his truck. It was at 50% when he started. Took 12 hours to reach full charge. That was 220 volts and 30 Amps. He did calculations showing comparison costs to a gas truck. Claimed 70K miles until break even due to higher initial cost of the E-truck and estimated it would be 10 years given his current driving habits and estimated costs of maintenance. Not counting the price of battery replacements in his new truck so he must be getting those for free somehow.

Depends where you live, too. My cousin has a Tesla in lives in NC and pays 8 times less per KWH than I do in CA. It costs him about $3 to charge his car. Here, it's about $27. To go 120 miles or so.

[LATB]

Depends where you live, too. My cousin has a Tesla in lives in NC and pays 8 times less per KWH than I do in CA. It costs him about $3 to charge his car. Here, it's about $27. To go 120 miles or so.

Costs me about $30.00 to go 120 miles ($40 if towing). And I’m doing it in a big ole diesel pickem-up-truck with all the comforts and capabilities. Not some soy boy toaster on wheels.

Fuk EV’s and double fuk the politics around it. They can all go fuk a brick.

[Frankie the Fink]

Take the capacity of the average electric golf cart, double it for an EV and stay within those parameters.. I just got back to Orlando from a wedding in the mountains of Georgia and wife and I turned it into a scenic road trip taking back roads until we were nearly home. We didn't see many (like not any) gas stations with those electron hoses....

[Old Ben]

Depends where you live, too. My cousin has a Tesla in lives in NC and pays 8 times less per KWH than I do in CA. It costs him about $3 to charge his car. Here, it's about $27. To go 120 miles or so.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: About $3?????

My wife's Buick gets about 25 miles per gallon. 120 divided by 25 mpg = 4.8 gallons. Mid range gas here is $4.23 so the 4.8 gallons costs $20.30.

[LATB]

Take the capacity of the average electric golf cart, double it for an EV and stay within those parameters.. I just got back to Orlando from a wedding in the mountains of Georgia and wife and I turned it into a scenic road trip taking back roads until we were nearly home. We didn't see many (like not any) gas stations with those electron hoses....

We recently returned from a trip to the smokies through Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee. I don’t recall seeing any EV charging stations. Although I wasn’t looking.

I also don’t remember seeing any EV’s on the roads. But the Tesla is really the only recognizable one. And they are butt ugly.

Fuk EV’s. Anyone who drives one might as well vote for the commie democrats.

[Patsgarage]

So who are the resident EV slurpers here ? I recognize some of the usual suspects from Anger Continent but not all. :D

[Rikki Z-06]

So who are the resident EV slurpers here ? I recognize some of the usual suspects from Anger Continent but not all. :D

Paging dvarapala to the white courtesy phone.

[Anjdog2003]

I have an electric bike. :hat:

[DAB]

Sounds like the stretch from Cheyenne to Casper. Made that drive many times.

[snide]

I have an electric bike. :hat:

I have an electric razor. :shrug:

[Torqaholic]

That guy with the Ford truck put out another video. A lot of people asked him about battery cost/life.

According to him it's warranted for 8 years or 100k miles. Cost depends on whether you want standard or extended range. So $28560 or $35960 per Ford parts catalog (online).

He points out that batteries lose range over time. How much depends on how much you drain it and how fast you recharge it. Estimates an 8 year old battery can be expected to lose 10% of its range over 8 years.

Sounds to me like that $30K is going to have an impact on his 10 year break even calculation.

[Torqaholic]

I have an electric bike. :hat:

Just saw an advertisement for $1500 off on those. Daymn, they must be wanting a shit-ton of money for those. Might just as well buy a Harley.

[Lakota]

:shots:

[Frankie the Fink]

That guy with the Ford truck put out another video. A lot of people asked him about battery cost/life.

According to him it's warranted for 8 years or 100k miles. Cost depends on whether you want standard or extended range. So $28560 or $35960 per Ford parts catalog (online).

He points out that batteries lose range over time. How much depends on how much you drain it and how fast you recharge it. Estimates an 8 year old battery can be expected to lose 10% of its range over 8 years.

Sounds to me like that $30K is going to have an impact on his 10 year break even calculation.
Didn't watch but did he crank in the reduced run time if you use the A/c, etc ?

Frankly, unless you have an EV as a second car for an urban commute, given the current state of the infrastructure, and plug it in nightly, it doesn't seem practical yet and the environmental impacts are worse than ICE cars when you consider batteries. Teslas are like Air Jordan tennis shoes or Gucci handbags, people think they get some sort of societal ego "boost" by owning over-priced, gimmicky name brands.

[SnikPlosskin]

Sounds like the stretch from Cheyenne to Casper. Made that drive many times.

I grew up in Casper. Anyone who thinks they will find a charging station driving across Wyoming is a dumbass.

[Tikiman]

What about the folks who live where it gets cold during the winter. Will running the heat have an effect on the battery run time? What about heated seats?

[Tikiman]

Didn't watch but did he crank in the reduced run time if you use the A/c, etc ?

Frankly, unless you have an EV as a second car for an urban commute, given the current state of the infrastructure, and plug it in nightly, it doesn't seem practical yet and the environmental impacts are worse than ICE cars when you consider batteries. Teslas are like Air Jordan tennis shoes or Gucci handbags, people think they get some sort of societal ego "boost" by owning over-priced, gimmicky name brands.


:iagree:

Wait until the eco-retards start doing environmental impact studies on the mountains of old batteries that will start piling up.

[Strats-N-Vettes]

:iagree:

Wait until the eco-retards start doing environmental impact studies on the mountains of old batteries that will start piling up.


They wont do it yet because they are too busy pushing the EV > ICE narrative.

[Tikiman]

I was playing golf with a custom builder recently and there was a house along the 16th fairway that had brand new solar panels all over it. He laughed and told me that there still aren't any landfills who will take the ****ing things once they go bad. Told me that you can't even pay to get them to take them. So it is forcing contractors to bury them illegally - like dead hookers.


But I'm sure that won't have any long term effect on ground water or anything. :rofl:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

:shots:

So much for EV resale values.

[slewfoot]

My son recently purchased a Tesla Y. I was very positive to him on it all but based on all I have ever heard, I would never own any all electric.

Wife & I have a pair of Hyundai Sonata Hybrids. Average 36-40 mpg around the town.

[Rob]

OK for YOU, long as YOU trust a China made battinator.....:issues::confused5::dance:

Tesla is making their batteries in China - for the Chinese made Teslas.

The batteries for U.S cars are made in the U.S. and Japan

[VITE1]

While that makes for interesting reading, make no mistake. EVs are coming and will be here to stay.

:iagree:

My problems with EV's is that the government is putting their thumb on the scale to decide what technology works best. That's a recipe for disaster in many ways.

[ThePirate]

Most responses here about EVs demonstrate that even here the posters know about as little about EVs as the guy who this tale is about. He bought an EV - doesn't tell us the brand- without knowing much about them. He even admits that.

[Mick]

The outfit I used to work for was instructed to peruse EV car transporter trucks. 6 to 8 car capacity, to replace our diesel tractor/trailer rigs.
The best one came in priced at $550,000 and had a range under full capacity of about 150 miles before it would need an overnight charge.

So trips from Fresno to Sacramento and back would be 3 days, instead of about 6 hours.
This would include per diem hotels and meals and take a worker out of service for 36 hours instead of 6. Not doable in the real world, no matter how much the liberals want it to be. Kind of like wishing all people to be good people. Not gonna happen.

You folks in CA only have 12 hours in a day now? Shit, think how bad that comparison would be if you had 24 hours in a day like the rest of the country!

[Mike Mercury]

dead hookers.



pics?