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mrvette
08-26-2022, 1:40pm
Hey, so, thought I'd put it in writing and you can copy / paste to the vette forum.

My Chevy Volt has 10 KWh of usable battery. With a charge efficiency of 0.89, which is typical for household 220v chargers, that makes 11.25 KWh I'm billed for when I charge the car.
Overnight charging, I pay 0.24 $ / KWh - 24 cents.
So it costs me 11.25 x 0.24, which = $2.70.
A gallon of gas is $4.89 locally.
So, $4.89 divided by $2.70 gives me 1.81 - that's the number of charges to equal the cost of 1 gallon of gas.
So if I travel 35 miles on a charge, which is typical, I multiply that by 1.81 to turn charge into gallons (economically)
35 miles * 1.81 = 63.39 MPG

The other way around the block is that $2.70 in charge is equal to 0.55 gallons (rounded).
35 miles divided by 0.55 gallons = 63.64 miles per gallon. So, depending on how I round off the numbers it varies a little but it's between 63 and 64 miles per gallon.

When gas was $6.09, electricity was the same price - so the electric was even better by comparison.

Driving 42 miles round trip to the office and only charging at home, I burn (typically) 0.10 gallons / day in addition to my charge.
0.10 x 4.89 = 48.9 cents worth of gas
Plus 2.70 in electricity. Total commute cost / day = $3.19, or 0.65 gallons.
42 miles / 0.65 gallons = 64.61 miles per gallon.

In my subaru, same commute would have been 1.83 gallons or $8.93.
8.93 - 3.19 = $5.74 saved / day.
Times 5 days a week for 50 weeks of the year, $1434 saved.
I'm only paying $120 / month on the car, or $1440.
So for an annual cost of $6 at current fuel prices, I'm driving a car that's 11 years newer.

The numbers move around based on price of gas, length of commute, whether or not I can charge the car for free when I get to work, etc - but I'd say that a plug-in hybrid is the way to go

Onebadcad
08-26-2022, 1:44pm
gs3grandsporttelsarflannelman would be all over this,,,

Old Ben
08-26-2022, 1:48pm
TLDR

GTOguy
08-26-2022, 2:09pm
You pay 1/2 of my cost for electricity, which is $.049 per kwh. My Tesla owning cousin pays $.006 per KWH...He's in NC and I'm in CA.

So it costs me 8 times what it costs him for electricity. And he never has power outages. I've had three in the past three weeks.
Our great governor wants to ban ICE's totally and force EV's on the entire population. We've already outlawed diesel big rigs that are older than a few years. Total insanity.
Ev's rob Peter to pay Paul. Nothing more. Until they can charge efficiently without fossil fuels, they are as good as they were 140 years ago when they were introduced.

Mike Mercury
08-26-2022, 2:17pm
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Stevedore
08-26-2022, 2:25pm
My electricity cost is $.14/kwh. My Tesla costs me about .$.042/mile to drive.

My previous car got about 25mpg. $4 gas then costs about $.16/mile to drive.

Of course, all of my savings will be wiped out if/when it needs a new battery. :Jeff '79:

But I have no intention of keeping this car past the battery/drivetrain warranty expiration.

Frankie the Fink
08-26-2022, 2:40pm
Well then that's the model you have to have; trade the EV in suck down more car payments every 3-4 years to avoid the battery black hole. Here's a little light reading for ya:
https://www.americanpost.news/a-family-in-florida-bought-a-used-electric-car-for-11000-and-now-requires-a-14000-replacement-battery/

VatorMan
08-26-2022, 3:44pm
Plug in hybrids. If only the morons pushing BEVs could see those are the natural next steps VS-turn off the oil and turn on the switch.

However, the sooner the .gov can control your movements via charging access, the better the .gov will like it.

Anjdog2003
08-26-2022, 5:40pm
I got as far as "Hey, so, thought I'd put it in writing"

snide
08-26-2022, 6:20pm
The kid's math doesn't look right, but I don't care enough to do the calculations properly. :shrug:

DAB
08-26-2022, 6:27pm
The kid's math doesn't look right, but I don't care enough to do the calculations properly. :shrug:

it's ok, the grids can't handle the added load anyway. brown outs!

snide
08-26-2022, 6:31pm
gs3grandsporttelsarflannelman would be all over this,,,

GrandSportC3 to the white courtesy phone... :D

slewfoot
08-26-2022, 6:52pm
My electricity cost is $.14/kwh. My Tesla costs me about .$.042/mile to drive.

My previous car got about 25mpg. $4 gas then costs about $.16/mile to drive.

Of course, all of my savings will be wiped out if/when it needs a new battery. :Jeff '79:

But I have no intention of keeping this car past the battery/drivetrain warranty expiration.


I feel the same way about Home solar. One thing I don't know is if a home with solar increases its value. If I were in the market and solar was brought up, my reply would be "so what?"

VatorMan
08-26-2022, 7:28pm
I feel the same way about Home solar. One thing I don't know is if a home with solar increases its value. If I were in the market and solar was brought up, my reply would be "so what?"

I think it depends where you are. In my area, solar is a plus for home resale. That and a EV charger is a premium. Anywhere power is cheap, maybe not so much.

dvarapala
08-26-2022, 7:32pm
My Chevy Volt has 10 KWh of usable battery.

You have a Chevy Volt? I thought you were an EV Hater? :shrug:

09CTSV
08-27-2022, 10:30am
Bought the new house with a solar grid. First months electric bill $30 and that was the hottest month with the AC at 70 degrees.
Liking the Solar.

Stevedore
08-27-2022, 11:29am
Well then that's the model you have to have; trade the EV in suck down more car payments every 3-4 years to avoid the battery black hole. Here's a little light reading for ya:
https://www.americanpost.news/a-family-in-florida-bought-a-used-electric-car-for-11000-and-now-requires-a-14000-replacement-battery/

Car payments? :rofl:

DJ_Critterus
08-27-2022, 1:29pm
I got as far as "Hey, so, thought I'd put it in writing"

I was skeptical, but then saw the part about copy/paste so I knew there would be some form of discernible Engrish to read.

theandies
08-28-2022, 12:29pm
I will not even consider an EV until it can do this and do this on any street corner in America:
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dvarapala
08-28-2022, 12:36pm
I will not even consider an EV until it can do this and do this on any street corner in America:
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You can buy gasoline on any street corner in America? :shrug: