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Why can't or hasn't Ukraine launched some rockets or other means into Russian targets? Was the Ukraine so stupid/nieve as to not have a decent army or air force being that close to Russia all these years?
how many rockets do we have aimed at Canada or Mexico?
04 commemorative
03-13-2022, 2:33pm
Ask Bill Clinton why they have no weapons
Ask Bill Clinton why they have no weapons
Obama made the remark to Putin that the US would never provide offensive capabilities to Ukraine. It was "overheard" on a mic that he thought was off.
Loco Vette
03-13-2022, 2:52pm
how many rockets do we have aimed at Canada or Mexico?
Just a matter of 30 seconds of typing to vastly change whatever that number is.
Why can't or hasn't Ukraine launched some rockets or other means into Russian targets? Was the Ukraine so stupid/nieve as to not have a decent army or air force being that close to Russia all these years?
They gave up all medium and long range missiles when Clinton and others promised to protect them only if Russia attacked with nukes.
We, and almost everyone else, delayed sending more effective weapons until it was nearly too late. Remember Germany refused any weapons transport through their air corridors.
Why can't or hasn't Ukraine launched some rockets or other means into Russian targets? Was the Ukraine so stupid/nieve as to not have a decent army or air force being that close to Russia all these years?
If you're not banned, go over to CFOT and ask Geodon. He knows all the answers. You're welcome.
If you're not banned, go over to CFOT and ask Geodon. He knows all the answers. You're welcome.
If only he could write a comprehensible sentence...
Jeff '79
03-13-2022, 4:54pm
They gave up all medium and long range missiles when Clinton and others promised to protect them only if Russia attacked with nukes.
We, and almost everyone else, delayed sending more effective weapons until it was nearly too late. Remember Germany refused any weapons transport through their air corridors.
Actually, it was an agreement between Russia and the Ukraine, that when the Soviet block broke up, the Ukraine would give up all of their medium and long range arsenal.
Bill Clinton had nothing to do with it.
Ukraine really gave up a lot of their security by doing that..
I'd love to see the Ukes lob some nukes into Putin's lap at this point.
Loco Vette
03-13-2022, 5:38pm
Actually, it was an agreement between Russia and the Ukraine, that when the Soviet block broke up, the Ukraine would give up all of their medium and long range arsenal.
Bill Clinton had nothing to do with it.
Ukraine really gave up a lot of their security by doing that..
I'd love to see the Ukes lob some nukes into Putin's lap at this point.
So, do you have any actual citations to back this up, or are you doing the usual lib talking out of your ass thing? Because treaties were signed to protect Ukraine if they gave up the nukes: Why Ukraine gave up nuclear warheads (https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion)
But they were told at the time that the United States and Western powers — so certainly at least the United States and Great Britain — take their political commitments really seriously. This is a document signed at the highest level by the heads of state. So the implication was Ukraine would not be left to stand alone and face a threat should it come under one.
Which your President Puddin Head has conveniently forgotten. :slap:
So, do you have any actual citations to back this up, or are you doing the usual lib talking out of your ass thing? Because treaties were signed to protect Ukraine if they gave up the nukes: Why Ukraine gave up nuclear warheads (https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion)
Which your President Puddin Head has conveniently forgotten. :slap:
:iagree:
December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. The memorandum reads as follows:[10]
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,
Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,
Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,
Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.
Confirm the following:
1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.
5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.
6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.
— Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons[10]
France and China's commitments
France and China also provided Ukraine with assurances similar to the Budapest Memorandum, but with some significant differences. For instance, France's pledge does not contain the promises laid out in paragraphs 4 and 6 above, to refer any aggression to the UN Security Council, nor to consult in the event of a question regarding the commitments.[11]
China's pledge takes a different form entirely, dating from December 4, and reading as follows:[12]
The Chinese Government welcomes the decision of Ukraine to destroy all nuclear weapons on its territory, and commends the approval by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on November 16 of Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State. China fully understands the desire of Ukraine for security assurance. The Chinese Government has always maintained that under no circumstances will China use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear-weapon States or nuclear-weapon-free zones. This principled position also applies to Ukraine. The Chinese Government urges all other nuclear-weapon States to undertake the same commitment, so as to enhance the security of all non-nuclear-weapon States, including Ukraine.
The Chinese Government has constantly opposed the practice of exerting political, economic or other pressure in international relations. It maintains that disputes and differences should be settled peacefully through consultations on an equal footing. Abiding by the spirit of the Sino-Ukrainian joint communiqué of January 4, 1992 on the establishment of diplomatic relations, the Sino-Ukrainian joint communiqué of October 31, 1992 and the Sino-Ukrainian joint statement of September 6, 1994, China recognizes and respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, and stands ready to further develop friendly and cooperative Sino-Ukraine relations on the basis of the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.
Thus, China's pledge, similar to France's, does not pledge to involve UN or consultative mechanisms in case of crisis. However, it does pledge to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
Loco Vette
03-13-2022, 6:24pm
:iagree:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
Jeff '79 for clarity
Steve_R
03-13-2022, 7:11pm
Jeff '79 for clarity
Don’t hold your breath awaiting clarity from the resident ultra-liberal.
Jeff '79 for clarity
Don't forget Obama refused to provide weapons. And remember who was his " Foreign policy " expert VP was.
https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/sorry-joe-team-obama-refused-to-arm-ukraine-at-all/
Louie Detroit
03-13-2022, 7:46pm
Actually, it was an agreement between Russia and the Ukraine, that when the Soviet block broke up, the Ukraine would give up all of their medium and long range arsenal.
Bill Clinton had nothing to do with it.
Ukraine really gave up a lot of their security by doing that..
I'd love to see the Ukes lob some nukes into Putin's lap at this point.
Hey that makes sense. let's have a nuclear war just because some guy triggers you like Drumpf does.
BayouCountry
03-13-2022, 8:02pm
Why can't or hasn't Ukraine launched some rockets or other means into Russian targets? Was the Ukraine so stupid/nieve as to not have a decent army or air force being that close to Russia all these years?
Ukraine has the support of most of the world and a lot of Russians. Killing civilians in Russia would harm Ukraine’s moral advantage. I don’t think they have a strike force like the Israelis.
Learpilot
03-13-2022, 8:39pm
Obama made the remark to Putin that the US would never provide offensive capabilities to Ukraine. It was "overheard" on a mic that he thought was off.
That kind of traitorous behavior doesn't count if its King Obozo.
Learpilot
03-13-2022, 8:44pm
Actually, it was an agreement between Russia and the Ukraine, that when the Soviet block broke up, the Ukraine would give up all of their medium and long range arsenal.
Bill Clinton had nothing to do with it.
Ukraine really gave up a lot of their security by doing that..
I'd love to see the Ukes lob some nukes into Putin's lap at this point.
Not true chief it was The U S. The U.K. and Russia and Klinton was involved.
NEED-A-VETTE
03-14-2022, 1:02am
Ukraine has the support of most of the world and a lot of Russians.
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slewfoot
03-14-2022, 10:53am
After watching this all unfold the past three weeks, it appears the Russian Military is not even close to what the world perceived it to be.
Learpilot
03-14-2022, 11:01am
After watching this all unfold the past three weeks, it appears the Russian Military is not even close to what the world perceived it to be.
You think ours is any good with all the concern about gender identity and whatnot.
Strats-N-Vettes
03-14-2022, 11:08am
After watching this all unfold the past three weeks, it appears the Russian Military is not even close to what the world perceived it to be.
I believe it was already known...getting beat up by mountain yokels in Pakistan over the years showed the world that their only threat is nuclear.
Aerovette
03-14-2022, 11:14am
After watching this all unfold the past three weeks, it appears the Russian Military is not even close to what the world perceived it to be.
They are toying with the Ukraine. If they wanted to, it would be destroyed.
Burro (He/Haw)
03-14-2022, 2:28pm
They are toying with the Ukraine. If they wanted to, it would be destroyed.
Huh? To what end?
Aerovette
03-14-2022, 4:10pm
Huh? To what end?
That's just it. Having to cut the roof off a car to steal it, defeats the theft. They don't want to blow it to complete destruction because it then becomes a liability. Once it appears there is no easy path to take over, or they could actually experience defeat, it will not be about taking them over, it will be about destruction and handing the mess back to them.
Option A: Minimize damage, absorb losses, invade and absorb
Option B: Lay it to waste and walk away.
Secondarily, they are far more interested in the response the world gives. Just like buzzing our ships. See what the reaction is. That tells them how far they can take this.
So, do you have any actual citations to back this up, or are you doing the usual lib talking out of your ass thing? Because treaties were signed to protect Ukraine if they gave up the nukes: Why Ukraine gave up nuclear warheads (https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion)
Which your President Puddin Head has conveniently forgotten. :slap:
Have we gotten a coherent answer?
Loco Vette
03-14-2022, 9:32pm
Have we gotten a coherent answer?
.lNot holding my breath.
Russia is running out of munitions and support, progress is slowing, the "two day" conflict is approaching week 4....
I am guessing 2 more weeks and Ukraine will be on the offensive side of the battle.
The only wild-card here is the possibility of chemical/biological attacks by Russia if/when their troops commitment to following orders falter.
Additionally, Russia is already reaching out to China for assistance which tells me that China is playing their cards right and allowing Russia to create their own dependence on someone else that will eventually own the rights to Russian natural resources.
ptindall
03-17-2022, 1:15pm
Apparently Ukriane did fire a volley into Russia at an air base and managed to destroy an SU-30 on the ground.
Perhaps I missed it but where the phuck is that vaunted UN in this Charlie Foxtrot. The UN is not NATO but I thought all the money spent/ wasted on this group was supposed to stop problems like this.
Aerovette
03-17-2022, 3:16pm
Russia is running out of munitions and support, progress is slowing, the "two day" conflict is approaching week 4....
I am guessing 2 more weeks and Ukraine will be on the offensive side of the battle.
The only wild-card here is the possibility of chemical/biological attacks by Russia if/when their troops commitment to following orders falter.
Additionally, Russia is already reaching out to China for assistance which tells me that China is playing their cards right and allowing Russia to create their own dependence on someone else that will eventually own the rights to Russian natural resources.
Two weeks to flatten the curve = Two days to flatten the 'Kraine
Political math is consistently off. :D
Aerovette
03-17-2022, 3:20pm
Perhaps I missed it but where the phuck is that vaunted UN in this Charlie Foxtrot. The UN is not NATO but I thought all the money spent/ wasted on this group was supposed to stop problems like this.
There is a pretty thorough article regarding the UN and this conflict.
https://www.un.org/press/en/2022/ga12406.doc.htm
There is a pretty thorough article regarding the UN and this conflict.
https://www.un.org/press/en/2022/ga12406.doc.htm
WOW! Thanks, some serious reading there!
There is a pretty thorough article regarding the UN and this conflict.
https://www.un.org/press/en/2022/ga12406.doc.htm
Yet many of the signatory countries are still buying energy from Russia.
It's way past time to get the UN out of the USA and the USA out of the UN. All they are is a bunch of Joe Biden clones who are there for the money, power and prestige of being in the UN in NYC.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/varney-now-we-know-why-the-russians-are-bogged-down
Varney: Now we know why the Russians are bogged down
Ukrainian president makes impassioned plea to Congress as Ukraine-Russia war continues
Stuart Varney: Now we know why the Russians are bogged down
FOX Business host Stuart Varney details an altercation between Russian forces and Ukrainian citizens in the small town of Voznesensk.
"Varney & Co." host Stuart Varney detailed the courage from Ukrainian citizens fighting off Russian forces in Voznesensk, arguing "now we know why the Russians are bogged down" during his "My Take" Thursday.
STUART VARNEY: Voznesensk is a small town in southern Ukraine. What happened there two weeks ago is very important. Russian troops were routed by a band of local, largely untrained fighters. This is one small example of Putin's big problems.
A battalion of Russian troops arrived in Voznesensk soon after the invasion began. They stole food, threatened civilians and moved tanks next to their houses.
Then the locals fought back with rocket-propelled grenades and javelin missiles. They took out 30 of the invaders' 43 mechanized vehicles. Survivors fled in any vehicle with gas, or took off into the woods where they were killed or captured.
BIDEN ANNOUNCES ADDITIONAL $800 MILLION IN MILITARY AID FOR UKRAINE: LIVE UPDATES
The Russians retreated, leaving an estimated 100 dead.
FOX Business' Stuart Varney on Thursday, March 17, 2022.
The local Ukrainian commander captured ill-trained teenage conscripts, and a senior lieutenant in military intelligence – he was caught trying to change into a private's uniform.
META 'IDENTIFIED AND REMOVED' DEEPFAKE VIDEO OF ZELENSKYY BOWING TO RUSSIAN DEMANDS
This is not propaganda: this story is well-sourced by Yaroslov Trofimov, writing in today's Wall Street Journal.
Now we know why the Russians are bogged down. Badly trained troops. Poor equipment. Poor planning and long supply lines that are open to attack. Very low morale. They are not ten feet tall. They were routed, and the world should know it!
ThePirate
03-19-2022, 3:10pm
Putin will nuke someone before Russians give up and retreat.
Putin will nuke someone before Russians give up and retreat.
I have a feeling he may order it, but his military commanders will likely abandon him at that turning point.
Not true chief it was The U S. The U.K. and Russia and Klinton was involved.
When liberals don't like history, they just make up new history that supports their political narrative. I have seen numerous times liberals claiming that the "Democrats" defeated slavery in the US. :yesnod:
Louie Detroit
03-20-2022, 1:10pm
When liberals don't like history, they just make up new history that supports their political narrative. I have seen numerous times liberals claiming that the "Democrats" defeated slavery in the US. :yesnod:
Well that's because the liberals who freed the slaves were the Republicans, but they're called Democrats now, derp derp derp.
https://media.patriots.win/post/hKpxvO75U3C9.jpeg
DJ_Critterus
03-21-2022, 10:01am
I have a feeling he may order it, but his military commanders will likely abandon him at that turning point.
That's when somebody collects on the $1M bounty on Putin's head. :yesnod:
Russia is running out of munitions and support, progress is slowing, the "two day" conflict is approaching week 4....
I am guessing 2 more weeks and Ukraine will be on the offensive side of the battle.
The only wild-card here is the possibility of chemical/biological attacks by Russia if/when their troops commitment to following orders falter.
Additionally, Russia is already reaching out to China for assistance which tells me that China is playing their cards right and allowing Russia to create their own dependence on someone else that will eventually own the rights to Russian natural resources.
tick tock, tick tock....time is running out.
less than a week remain from my original estimates
tick tock, tick tock....time is running out.
less than a week remain from my original estimates
:waiting:
Mike Mercury
03-23-2022, 1:07pm
When liberals don't like history, they just make up new history that supports their political narrative.
And CNN tries their best to make this the new "facts".
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