Tesla...this infuriates me.

[Datawiz]

What ****ing genius thought writing logic into car software that BREAKS THE LAW was a good idea? Stop signs are not suggestions, they are an absolute. Huge pet peeve of mine is people who role through stop signs. My neighbors blow through ours at 20+ miles per hour. Thinking about video taping them and putting up a shame website.

Link (https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/tesla-recall-full-driving-software-runs-stop-signs-82596066)

The “rolling stop” feature let the Teslas go through all-way stop signs as long as the owner enabled the function. The vehicles have to be traveling below 5.6 mph while approaching the intersection, and no “relevant” moving cars, pedestrians or bicyclists can be detected nearby. All roads leading to the intersection had to have speed limits of 30 mph or less, the documents said. The Teslas would then be allowed to go through the intersection at 0.1 mph to 5.6 mph without coming to a complete stop.

[simpleman68]

Also seems like a massive liability for them in case of an accident. :slap:
Scott

[Don Rickles]

It sounds to me like a perfect fundraising method for the Popo! :seasix:

Dogs, cats, and animals beware!:leaving:

[Rob]

That is not an enabled feature within the software, it has to be manually turned on by the driver thereby passing on the liability to the driver/owner.

I also believe this is not in any of the current releases, but proposed in a future software update. (Remember, you have to have a 99 or 100 rating before you are even allowed to turn on FSD in the first place, and even right now it is still in the beta testing mode)

Oh, and you have to PAY for FSD...which is now $12,000 for each car.


But hey, if you like to let the media tell you how to feel, more power to you. I like to do my homework and learn about things before I make decisions

[DAB]

Roll on

[Mike Mercury]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/1/22912099/tesla-rolling-stop-disable-recall-nhtsa-update

[Torqaholic]

Depends on the neighborhood. There are certain neighborhoods you shouldn't roll through in the first place but mistakes in navigation do happen from time to time (especially if you're out exploring) and you better be prepared to break the law if you want to improve your odds of leaving alive.

[mrvette]

THE LARGEST hazard that promotes the fail to stop habit is......

LANDSCAPING!!! out on the corner, hedges/trees/etc that block the vision until the front of the car is WAY in hell out in the intersection before the driver can see down the cross street if anything is coming......even IF one stops, need pull forward and stop again to SEE WTF is happening......

Fences, bushes/landscaping needs be stopped near any intersection.....

HELL, say the same for many DRIVEWAYS......

:issues::issues::issues:

[DJ_Critterus]

That is not an enabled feature within the software, it has to be manually turned on by the driver thereby passing on the liability to the driver/owner.

I also believe this is not in any of the current releases, but proposed in a future software update. (Remember, you have to have a 99 or 100 rating before you are even allowed to turn on FSD in the first place, and even right now it is still in the beta testing mode)

Oh, and you have to PAY for FSD...which is now $12,000 for each car.


But hey, if you like to let the media tell you how to feel, more power to you. I like to do my homework and learn about things before I make decisions

What is FSD?

[Rob]

What is FSD?

Full Self Driving

[Steve_R]

What is FSD?

Full Self Driving. A bargain at only $12k to activate software already installed. :seasix:

[Rob]

Full Self Driving. A bargain at only $12k to activate software already installed. :seasix:

I locked in at $8k :dixie:

[dvarapala]

Humans roll through stop signs far more often and far more obliviously than FSD ever will. Unlike human drivers, FSD is aware of every vehicle and pedestrian in the immediate area, and will not treat the stop sign as a yield sign unless it is 100% safe to do so. Human drivers? Not so much.

I think you can guess which one infuriates me more...

[dvarapala]

What is FSD?

FPD's little brother. :yesnod:

[Steve_R]

Humans roll through stop signs far more often and far more obliviously than FSD ever will. Unlike human drivers, FSD is aware of every vehicle and pedestrian in the immediate area, and will not treat the stop sign as a yield sign unless it is 100% safe to do so. Human drivers? Not so much.

I think you can guess which one infuriates me more...

Too bad Tesla FSD can't recognize fire trucks.

[dvarapala]

Too bad Tesla FSD can't recognize fire trucks.

How many times has FSD (as distinct from AutoPilot) crashed into a firetruck How many times have human drivers crashed into firetrucks?

How many BEV vehicles have caught on fire? How many ICE vehicles?

Sensationalism sells, which is why the MSM reports on every mishap involving an EV while ignoring similar mishaps involving ICE vehicles and/or human drivers, skewing public perception of the actual dangers.

You're the last person I would expect to draw conclusions based on what he sees in the MSM. :shrug:

[Steve_R]

How many times has FSD (as distinct from AutoPilot) crashed into a firetruck How many times have human drivers crashed into firetrucks?

How many BEV vehicles have caught on fire? How many ICE vehicles?

Sensationalism sells, which is why the MSM reports on every mishap involving an EV while ignoring similar mishaps involving ICE vehicles and/or human drivers, skewing public perception of the actual dangers.

You're the last person I would expect to draw conclusions based on what he sees in the MSM. :shrug:


Your sense of humor just stopped by. It says it misses you.

[Aerovette]

Will it roll through traffic lights too? I mean, it's not illegal if no one sees you, right?

[Craig]

I still want to know: If one self driving car cuts off another self driving car, how does it give it the finger..?

[DAB]

anti-fap mode: keep doing that and it'll break!

[Olustee bus]

I still want to know: If one self driving car cuts off another self driving car, how does it give it the finger..?

At this point, I think it is still manual. A rear neon light is in the works though.

[Rob]

Too bad Tesla FSD can't recognize fire trucks.

How many times has FSD (as distinct from AutoPilot) crashed into a firetruck How many times have human drivers crashed into firetrucks?

How many BEV vehicles have caught on fire? How many ICE vehicles?

Sensationalism sells, which is why the MSM reports on every mishap involving an EV while ignoring similar mishaps involving ICE vehicles and/or human drivers, skewing public perception of the actual dangers.

You're the last person I would expect to draw conclusions based on what he sees in the MSM. :shrug:


MSM is in the pocket of our current administration that REFUSES to say the word Tesla when talking about the EV marketplace.

Want to know why??? Because Elon does not pay off their sorry asses.

:Jeff '79:

[Rodnok1]

Wait as second... you have to shell out 8 to 12k for full self driving functions? :scratcheshead:
Not that i care if computer drives a car really as 75% of people on the road drive like total shitbags anyway.

[BayouCountry]

I don’t trust FSD vehicles unless ALL vehicles on the road are FSD. No matter how brilliant the software, the human element will always find a bug in the code. Code I had online for years would suddenly fail after a Java update or a undetermined sequence of keystrokes.

[BayouCountry]

Wait as second... you have to shell out 8 to 12k for full self driving functions? :scratcheshead:
Not that i care if computer drives a car really as 75% of people on the road drive like total shitbags anyway.

That’s why I don’t want to be in the minority in a FSD vehicle.

[Aerovette]

Wait as second... you have to shell out 8 to 12k for full self driving functions? :scratcheshead:
Not that i care if computer drives a car really as 75% of people on the road drive like total shitbags anyway.

The "shitbag performance" feature is another $4k.

It includes:

Turn signal delete
Constant brake light illumination
Low beam delete
Speed control at 5mph below posted limit
Left lane only functionality

[Steve_R]

The "shitbag performance" feature is another $4k.

It includes:

Turn signal delete
Constant brake light illumination
Low beam delete
Speed control at 5mph below posted limit
Left lane only functionality


I thought that was the "BMW Driver" option. :shrug:

[Bill]

I wouldn't want the self driving feature, even if it was standard. There are a few modern conveniences I like, the backup cameras and sensors in the bumper are great, turn indicators in the side mirrors are great, too.

Other than that, not much is new that I'd want. I guess the lane change warning systems would be OK, too, although I've never had a vehicle with that system.

[Aerovette]

I thought that was the "BMW Driver" option. :shrug:

Same...but greener.

[Badger97]

insanity.

[Rodnok1]

I thought that was the "BMW Driver" option. :shrug:

Only difference is BMW option is mandatory 20 over limit, 30 in heavy traffic.
They wanted to avoid any patent infringements.

[Bill]

I thought that was the "BMW Driver" option. :shrug:

I was under the impression that turn signals were not standard equipment on BMW's, and just not a popular option among BMW buyers.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I like driving. It doesn't even have to be fast driving. Just,,,, driving. FSD is just stupid. Might was well Uber or some shit.

[Rob]

I thought that was the "BMW Driver" option. :shrug:

That option is actually quite often confused with the Mercedes option. The BMW is only available for women and men under 50. The Merc option is for the older and less enhanced male population. :rofl:

[Steve_R]

That option is actually quite often confused with the Mercedes option. The BMW is only available for women and men under 50. The Merc option is for the older and less enhanced male population. :rofl:

Around here, where there are LOTS of Mercedes, that option limits the speed to 10 mph under the limit.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

That option is actually quite often confused with the Mercedes option. The BMW is only available for women and men under 50. The Merc option is for the older and less enhanced male population. :rofl:

I don’t care I love Mercedes. Have for many years. Some of those old Mercs are the coolest things ever.

[mrvette]

What is FSD?

Full Self Driving

By the CAR?? or just like watt we have now, like in my '72??

[DJ_Critterus]

By the CAR?? or just like watt we have now, like in my '72??

unlike your '72.... the key word is "driving" and your car hasn't been doing much of that lately, has it?

[simpleman68]

I don’t care I love Mercedes. Have for many years. Some of those old Mercs are the coolest things ever.

Not all drivers of German marques are douche rockets. :lol:
Been enjoying driving the Hell outta this one.
Scott

https://i.imgur.com/WRuLfjnl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Uuan7W5l.jpg

[simpleman68]

MSM is in the pocket of our current administration that REFUSES to say the word Tesla when talking about the EV marketplace.

Want to know why??? Because Elon does not pay off their sorry asses.

:Jeff '79:

Certainly gotta appreciate that. I realized he wasn't a "pay to play" guy when virtually everybody BUT Tesla, was invited to a big EV summit by the DC big wigs.
Scott

[Bill]

unlike your '72.... the key word is "driving" and your car hasn't been doing much of that lately, has it?

Penalty Flag!

Taunting. 15 yard penalty, repeat of down.





:lol:

[DAB]

Penalty Flag!

Taunting. 15 yard penalty, repeat of down.





:lol:

"unnecessary roughness?" aww hell ref, that's not unnecessary roughness, he had it coming, he's been playing dirty all afternoon, c'mon man!!!

[MadInNc]

Called a California Roll for a reason 😎

[DJ_Critterus]

Penalty Flag!

Taunting. 15 yard penalty, repeat of down.





:lol:

put me down for 10 points for hostility.

[Aerovette]

put me down for 10 points for hostility.

BTDT got the vacay. :D

[LilRedCorvette]

Not all drivers of German marques are douche rockets. :lol:
Been enjoying driving the Hell outta this one.
Scott

https://i.imgur.com/WRuLfjnl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Uuan7W5l.jpg

:iagree: and ditto…although if you are a left lane bandit going under the speed limit, I will pass you with the quickness. :yesnod: Move the F over. :ack:

Unlike other BMW drivers, I use my turn signals every time. :seasix:

[dvarapala]

OP isn't the only one getting triggered by this BTW. :lol:


Well it's also the law that you're not supposed to do a rolling stop. If you're going to have a car that does things automatically it should follow the rules

Otherwise drive the damn thing yourself and do the rolling stop

And I think that's wrong

What there's different rules for fancy rich Tesla owners

[Steve_R]

Tesla announced yesterday they're recalling all cars with this feature to eliminate it. Elon really needs someone behind the scenes to occasionally say "That's a really stupid idea." :yesnod:

[DJ_Critterus]

BTDT got the vacay. :D

All the best....

[JetMechZ16]

That is not an enabled feature within the software, it has to be manually turned on by the driver thereby passing on the liability to the driver/owner.

I also believe this is not in any of the current releases, but proposed in a future software update. (Remember, you have to have a 99 or 100 rating before you are even allowed to turn on FSD in the first place, and even right now it is still in the beta testing mode)

Oh, and you have to PAY for FSD...which is now $12,000 for each car.


But hey, if you like to let the media tell you how to feel, more power to you. I like to do my homework and learn about things before I make decisions

So, what you're saying is " **** Tesla "?? :island14:

[Loco Vette]

Tesla announced yesterday they're recalling all cars with this feature to eliminate it. Elon really needs someone behind the scenes to occasionally say "That's a really stupid idea." :yesnod:

Couldn't they just do that with the next wireless update?

[dvarapala]

Tesla announced yesterday they're recalling all cars with this feature to eliminate it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Rhhr8D5mKSX7O/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/11BBKbHEHi8R4Q/giphy.gif

[snide]

That option is actually quite often confused with the Mercedes option. The BMW is only available for women and men under 50. The Merc option is for the older and less enhanced male population. :rofl:
*cough* Iron Chef *cough*

[Aerovette]

All the best....

IF...
Let's Go Brandon = **** Joe Biden

THEN...
All The Best - **** CF Mods

:seasix:

[dvarapala]

Couldn't they just do that with the next wireless update?

That's exactly how they're going to do it. :yesnod:

OBTW, if you thought rolling stop signs was bad, did you know that FSD Teslas break the speed limit too? :popcorns:

[73sbVert]

That option is actually quite often confused with the Mercedes option. The BMW is only available for women and men under 50. The Merc option is for the older and less enhanced male population. :rofl:

I liked my E550 cab. 400hp and I used a LOT of it! Very much a "driver's car". :yesnod:
Only reason I got rid of it was because I was Jones'in for another stick, and the sport auto didn't cut it.

[73sbVert]

unlike your '72.... the key word is "driving" and your car hasn't been doing much of that lately, has it?

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark! :rofl:

[ThePirate]

Wait as second... you have to shell out 8 to 12k for full self driving functions? :scratcheshead:
Not that i care if computer drives a car really as 75% of people on the road drive like total shitbags anyway.


You have to shell out that $8 - 12k if you have a tesla that didn't come with it at purchase. When you have to purchase it with it installed, you only have to pay $8 -12k. :lol:

[Iron Chef]

*cough* Iron Chef *cough*
The other evening I was out at a favorite watering hole having a conversation with a few ladies whom I see there now and again when a brand spanking new C8 in Mother****er Orange roars up to the valet. This toolbox gets out with the tribal tattoo and the Hitlerjugend haircut and proceeds to sashay into the bar. The ladies...who are quite attractive by anyone's standards...started laughing hysterically and said "I wonder how much shit Vetteboy over there is compensating for?".

Just in case you or anyone else might be wondering what people really think...

[Burro (He/Haw)]

The other evening I was out at a favorite watering hole having a conversation with a few ladies whom I see there now and again when a brand spanking new C8 in Mother****er Orange roars up to the valet. This toolbox gets out with the tribal tattoo and the Hitlerjugend haircut and proceeds to sashay into the bar. The ladies...who are quite attractive by anyone's standards...started laughing hysterically and said "I wonder how much shit Vetteboy over there is compensating for?".

Just in case you or anyone else might be wondering what people really think...

Hold the phone Virginia. You had a Lamborghini right? I mean that WAS you wasn’t it?

I’ll take that Merc off your hands if you wanna gift it to me. That’s a BAAAAD whip.

[Iron Chef]

Hold the phone Virginia. You had a Lamborghini right? I mean that WAS you wasn’t it?

I’ll take that Merc off your hands if you wanna gift it to me. That’s a BAAAAD whip.
Yep it was me. I was also the one who had a Dodge too. And if you knew how few places I took that Lamborghini you'd be amazed. The girl I was dating at the time, we went out 6 times before she even knew I had the car, and she found out by accident. It was OK, but I wouldn't have another if I was given one.

FWIW...I've gotten as many compliments about this car as I have about my 4 Corvettes combined, and it's really nothing special as a Mercedes goes. If you really want a "mine is bigger than yours" car, pull up in an SL65 with the V12 badge on the side.

And if I had to pick who to gift it to, you'd be among the first. :yesnod: