Goodbye GM

[69camfrk]

If this is the case, no one is going to miss them..

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/general-motors-all-electric-2035

[Datawiz]

Can't wait for the greenies to bitch about disposal of batteries in the landfill. :lol:

[Bill]

Just saw that on our local ABC news tonight.



:sadangel:

[Steve_R]

All electric in 14 years? Never happen.

[Aerovette]

Oil industry killed off, coal killed off, China controls the power grid...and here is how it all ends...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.3408506.1494503815!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg

[Datawiz]

Here's the real deal...electric battery powered cars is a stop gap. Hydrogen powered fuel cells (think Honda) is the real solution. :yesnod: Elon Musk will be broke in 10-15 years.

[Aerovette]

Here's the real deal...electric battery powered cars is a stop gap. Hydrogen powered fuel cells (think Honda) is the real solution. :yesnod: Elon Musk will be broke in 10-15 years.

I don't know if you are being facetious, but your statement is actually accurate from what little I have heard.

[DAB]

Here's the real deal...electric battery powered cars is a stop gap. Hydrogen powered fuel cells (think Honda) is the real solution. :yesnod: Elon Musk will be broke in 10-15 years.

Mrs. DAB's dad worked for NASA, and wrote a book for NASA about Hydrogen.

interesting read. one minor problem is the storage of it. it leaks thru steel.

not to mention the production of it isn't as simple as taking oil out of the ground and running it thru a fractional distillation tower to produce gas or diesel.

you can read it online for free:

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4404/contents.htm

or you can buy a copy online, Amazon carries it, others might too.

[Datawiz]

Mrs. DAB's dad worked for NASA, and wrote a book for NASA about Hydrogen.

interesting read. one minor problem is the storage of it. it leaks thru steel.

not to mention the production of it isn't as simple as taking oil out of the ground and running it thru a fractional distillation tower to produce gas or diesel.

you can read it online for free:

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4404/contents.htm

or you can buy a copy online, Amazon carries it, others might too.

What about Aluminum or other metals?

[GentleBen]

Can we ask that they rename the corporation to General Electric Motors (GEM)?

[Steve_R]

What about Aluminum or other metals?

Some are better but hydrogen will diffuse through anything. I’ve surveyed the interior of hydrogen bombs for tritium (H3, which is larger than elemental hydrogen) for leakage.

[Nox]

All electric in 14 years? Never happen.

I wasn’t surprised when 8 track and VHS tapes disappeared, but I was a bit surprised at how fast the CD and DVD format are going by the wayside. CD’s are all but dead. I’ll stop short of saying it will never happen the way technology changes these days. Fifteen years is a long time.

[DAB]

they later found that a ceramic (think your coffee mug) can contain hydrogen pretty well, but then you get into fittings, valves, other connections, not to mention the vibration and cracking potential of delicate glass lined containers.

that's why hydrogen powered rockets are continually being topped off until the launch, to make up for the boil off and the leakage.

as that book notes, it's pretty safe to handle, safer than gasoline, but the leakage and storage is a problem still. no taking along a 5 gallon Jerry can for spare fuel. by the time you need it, it'll be empty.

[Steve_R]

I wasn’t surprised when 8 track and VHS tapes disappeared, but I was a bit surprised at how fast the CD and DVD format are going by the wayside. CD’s are all but dead. I’ll stop short of saying it will never happen the way technology changes these days. Fifteen years is a long time.

Given the incredibly long lead time to get approvals and build any large new power plants, and the left’s hatred of them regardless of fuel type, there’s no way we’ll have the generating capacity to power all electric transportation in 15 years.

[Datawiz]

Given the incredibly long lead time to get approvals and build any large new power plants, and the left’s hatred of them regardless of fuel type, there’s no way we’ll have the generating capacity to power all electric transportation in 15 years.

Seems like everyone forgot the complete failure of the electrical grid in the North East about a decade ago. The grid can't handle that demand in its current form. Add another 10 million cars...what happens?

[Steve_R]

The explosions that destroyed the Fukushima nuke plants were hydrogen explosions. Just sayin’.

[Bill]

Given the incredibly long lead time to get approvals and build any large new power plants, and the left’s hatred of them regardless of fuel type, there’s no way we’ll have the generating capacity to power all electric transportation in 15 years.

That doesn't matter. Fire all the energy workers NOW, something happens, and at some vague future point in time, everyone is employed installing solar panels! Success!



You know what liberals used before they had candles for light?

A: Electricity

[Mike Mercury]

we're gonna need quite a few nuke power plants...





https://i.pinimg.com/564x/99/65/8a/99658a59447dea899a55bb975f5d39c1.jpg

[Steve_R]

we're gonna need quite a few nuke power plants...





https://i.pinimg.com/564x/99/65/8a/99658a59447dea899a55bb975f5d39c1.jpg


Yeah, we’re shutting them down early while other countries are building more.

[snide]

I wasn’t surprised when 8 track and VHS tapes disappeared, but I was a bit surprised at how fast the CD and DVD format are going by the wayside. CD’s are all but dead. I’ll stop short of saying it will never happen the way technology changes these days. Fifteen years is a long time.

I haven't bought any CDs in a few years. The only CD player I have now is an iMac from 2011. :shrug:

[Dan Dlabay]

I read on Corvette blogger that the C9 looks like will be electric if in fact there is a C9. :cert:

[John Wiz]

One of the most difficult type of engineer to recruit these days is a power engineer. There are very few out there, most are old and I don't believe there are many engineers that are majoring in that.

Our grid is aging, there will not be sufficient capacity for all of the electric vehicles, they have yet to address what will be done for things like town houses or apartment buildings for charging stations, or replacement of gas stations with charging stations. How many charging points will be needed at a new charging station to 'fuel' as many cars as a current gas station.

A vehicle without sufficient infrastructure to support it is pretty useless, but why look at details....

[Aerovette]

Less than one week into his presidency, Joe Biden has already put U.S. security at greater risk to Chinese and other threats.

Biden, who long has been accused by critics of being soft on China, issued a lengthy executive order in which, buried amid matters purportedly designed to combat climate change, was an anomalous and potentially dangerous provision. The provision in question addresses nothing reasonably connected to climate change. Instead, it suspends for 90 days a key security measure put in place last May 1 by former President Donald Trump. Biden’s suspension of Trump’s measure makes not the slightest sense.

Trump’s Executive Order 13920 declared a national emergency with respect to the nation’s electric grid and prohibited the acquisition or installation of “any bulk-power electric equipment … designed, developed, manufactured, or supplied, by persons owned by, controlled by, or subject to the jurisdiction or direction of a foreign adversary.” In sum, Trump forbade the use of grid equipment that is made in China, Russia, or other hostile nations.

Trump’s order was a common-sense response to real, proven threats. Just last year, the Wall Street Journal reported that the United States seized a Chinese-built transformer because officials believe “its electronics had been secretly given malicious capabilities, possibly allowing a distant adversary to monitor or even disable it on command.” Cybersecurity expert Joseph Weiss reported that officials found “electronics that should not have been part of the transformer — hardware backdoors” that could allow the Chinese to “effectively gain control of the transformers without any network forensics being the wiser.”

Weiss also reminds us that China was first caught trying to hack into a U.S. grid in California as far back as 2001, and that “the Russians have been in our U.S. grids since 2014.”

Remote computer access may not be the only problem. In an interview with me Tuesday afternoon, Tommy Waller, director of infrastructure security at the Center for Security Policy and the director of an expert coalition called “Secure the Grid,” said that the concerns extend beyond remote-computer control.

“We’re also worried about sensors and actuators and drives that are installed even if they are not connected to the Internet,” he said. “If that hardware installed inside of them is designed at some point to send the wrong readings, it could sabotage the safety and security of that system.”

It has long been thought (quoting just one illustrative, major paper on the subject) that a major power grid collapse might be the single most deadly event in U.S. history, with “catastrophic” results due to “the lack of the basic elements necessary to sustain life in dense urban and suburban communities.” It thus makes perfect sense for Trump to have issued the directive against involving hostile foreign entities in the grid supply chain.

Contrarily, it boggles the mind to see Biden suspend Trump’s directive. Granted, Biden’s order suspends it for only 90 days while asking the secretary of energy to use the time to consider if a replacement order should be issued. Still, even if the policy is to be reviewed for improvements, why suspend it in the meantime? Why leave the grid vulnerable? Why not keep Trump’s wise Executive Order 13920 in place until and unless the Biden team comes up with something better?

“Why open the floodgates to grid infrastructure produced by countries hostile to America?” asked Waller.

Why, indeed? Biden’s order offers no explanation for suspending Trump’s proscription. This part of Biden’s new executive order is not just foolhardy but reckless. Congress should raise a stink about it, and Biden should revoke it, forthwith.

[DAB]

One of the most difficult type of engineer to recruit these days is a power engineer. There are very few out there, most are old and I don't believe there are many engineers that are majoring in that.

Our grid is aging, there will not be sufficient capacity for all of the electric vehicles, they have yet to address what will be done for things like town houses or apartment buildings for charging stations, or replacement of gas stations with charging stations. How many charging points will be needed at a new charging station to 'fuel' as many cars as a current gas station.

A vehicle without sufficient infrastructure to support it is pretty useless, but why look at details....

I started with Bechtel working on nuclear power plants. 1985. Very few youngsters are chasing that career path now. The old farts who were there when I was starting are all retired. Their knowledge is gone. And I have no interest in going back.

[gs568]

Libs **** up everything.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I started with Bechtel

My condolences. They suck.

[DJ_Critterus]

All electric in 14 years? Never happen.

Weren't we supposed to have flying cars by now?

[Iron Chef]

I said goodbye to GM years ago. :kimblair:

[Aerovette]

Libs **** up everything.

With certainty this is true.

I challenge anyone to name a SINGLE thing that Dems have made better.

[DJ_Critterus]

With certainty this is true.

I challenge anyone to name a SINGLE thing that Dems have made better.

Sundays....since we are no longer watching sports we have time to actually go do stuff. :yesnod:

[dvarapala]

Wifie loves her Chevy Bolt. :yesnod:

[Egnalf]

ocean breezes, moe. doesn't matter what residents think, its coming to a town near you if you live along the coast. https://www.app.com/story/news/local/land-environment/2019/06/21/nj-oks-biggest-us-wind-farm-ever-off-jersey-shore-power-500-k-homes/1509748001/

[Egnalf]

and before you cry about bird strikes, no need to worry. they say you decrease them by painting one fan blade black.

[Anjdog2003]

I'll probably be dead. :island14: