Rona Chit>>>>>> post it here

[C3C7NIC]

I'll start.

[ratflinger]

It is chit!

[Steve_R]

/thread

[Mike Mercury]

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[Strats-N-Vettes]

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Correct; they do.
Do you know why or just follow?

Open air markets.

These flu viruses originate in fowl, but the fowl cannot transfer the virus to humans.
But; the fowl can transfer the virus to pigs/hogs, the pigs/hogs can and obviously do transfer the virus to humans.
These livestock are brought to open air markets in all of Asia without screening of any kind.
Asians know this; but only partially practice safety as far as a deterrent to prevent the spread these viruses.

Avian Flu
Swine Flu
N1H1
Bird Flu
These ↑ are all strains of the flu. = fowl and swine

*Other facts:
•The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War (WWI).
It killed some 50 million people, and infected up to a third of the world’s population.
Though it was called "The Spanish Flu" it was first observed in Asia.

•Hong Kong flu is first reported in 1968, though it is observed heavily in Hong Kong, it is thought to originate in mainland China.

•Asian Flu is reported in 1957 originating in China.

•1983 Swine influenza was a disease when pigs became ill. (influenza A (H1N1))


*(some overall numbers/statements are contested)



In conclusion class;
All are strains of influenza/flu bug, all has been happening for years...every...stinkin'...year.
For years Asians have been wearing masks, but, the flu bug is still spread.


Let me write that again for the dense:
For years Asians have been wearing masks, but, the flu bug is still spread.

[Steve_R]

I'ma gonna post more Rona stuff in the bar thread and see how long it takes for one of the new Mods to ban me. :dance:

[z06psi]

China unleashes a new virus every 3 years or so.

They got the affect they were looking for. They also got the administration that will do nothing about it.

[The_Dude]

I'll start.

*I'll start....

[Hardluck]

I'll start.

Damn this looks like the start of an Adog thread! Will die with almost no posts!:dance:

[Anjdog2003]

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/60099-4/Gay_soccer_fight.gif? (http://forgifs.com)

[The_Dude]

Damn this looks like the start of an Adog thread! Will die with almost no posts!:dance:

Pity post

[Earthquake Driver]

CDC to shorten quarantine for those exposed to Covid-19

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-shorten-length-quarantine-those-220133934.html

[Aerovette]

Any sign, meme, mandate, requirement, advertisement etc that uses the word "mask" will soon be replaced with "vaccine".

Expect to do NOTHING without one.

[Sea Six]

Day 13 for me. Still feel very tired. Blood oxygen is low today 91-94.

'Rona sucks donkey balls

[Aerovette]

Day 13 for me. Still feel very tired. Blood oxygen is low today 91-94.

'Rona sucks donkey balls

Wow. You got it good. That is a concerning oxygen level. I don't know if it helped or not, but I started taking L-Arganine (Nitric Oxide) on the chance that it actually helps carry oxygen to tissues. What your dealing with is the stuff that gets you on a vent. On the upside, the next 3 days are going to probably be the last of the virus for you.

[Anjdog2003]

Day 13 for me. Still feel very tired. Blood oxygen is low today 91-94.

The flu sucks donkey balls




fixt

[Earthquake Driver]

https://www.billysballbags.com/products/ballbag-face-mask?variant=31954836455493

[Aerovette]

fixt

My buddy was giving me shit because, like you, I always compared it to the flu. When I was sick he asked me if i still thought it was the flu. I told him they are different animals. I said the flue is like hitting your thumb with a hammer. Covid is like having your thumb in vice grips for two weeks.

Short term high misery level vs long term lower misery level.

[C3C7NIC]

Day 13 for me. Still feel very tired. Blood oxygen is low today 91-94.

'Rona sucks donkey balls

Are you on any inhalers?


I prescribe albuterol for the chest tightness and also RX either pulmicort respimat inhaler or nebulizer ampules if they have one. The pulmocort reduced the inflammatory reaction in the lungs, which is the part that usually lands folks in the hospital on nasal canula O2 or the vent.

As I’m sure you know if your O2 levels drop below 90%, get to hospital.

Hope you feel better soon.

[Millenium Vette]

China unleashes a new virus every 3 years or so.

They got the affect they were looking for. They also got the administration that will do nothing about it.

*effect

[MikeB]

Day 30 for me. 13 were in the hospital.
Still on oxygen (1.5ml) 12-16 hours a day.
Weened off while resting, but need to go back on it
when heart rate goes up to 110-120bpm @ 91-93% oxygen.
Oxygen on at 1.5-2ml keeps it at 95-97% with 70-80s or lower bpm.

[Murray]

Day 30 for me. 13 were in the hospital.
Still on oxygen (1.5ml) 12-16 hours a day.
Weened off while resting, but need to go back on it
when heart rate goes up to 110-120bpm @ 91-93% oxygen.
Oxygen on at 1.5-2ml keeps it at 95-97% with 70-80s or lower bpm.

Anjdog2003

Can you explain to this guy it’s just the flu. He’d appreciate it

[Anjdog2003]

Anjdog2003

Can you explain to this guy it’s just the flu. He’d appreciate it



Sure. I've had many friends get the flu for 2-3 weeks recover a little and about a week later they got it again for well over a month. Some even died of it in the past. I've had many friends die of Pneumonia and you know what murraT, they didn't have to wear a mask. All these people that die of colds, the flu and Pneumonia never were required to wear a mask. A lady i play music with lost her dad in July at the age of 102. Bad kidney strokes, etc. he died, guess what they put down on what he died of? She also lost her mom last week at 99 years old. Bad kidneys, bad heart, Alzheimer and guess what they put down as the cause of death? Remember i work Hospice, nobody dies off anything but Covid all of a sudden. Yes Covid is real but as legit as our last election. You drink the Koolaid MurraT

[ZipZap]

Sadly, I've seen both extremes, and it can be heartbreaking. I just have a hard time understanding why the world has not stood up and told China to FO. Whether it was a genetic engineering experiment, or someone eating a bat, it's on them. They've now killed more, and destroyed more of the economy, than any military action could have hoped for.

[VatorMan]

Sadly, I've seen both extremes, and it can be heartbreaking. I just have a hard time understanding why the world has not stood up and told China to FO. Whether it was a genetic engineering experiment, or someone eating a bat, it's on them. They've now killed more, and destroyed more of the economy, than any military action could have hoped for.

The powers that be want that chinese money. What’s a few hundred thousand deaths when I can make millions ?

[Raazor]

the rona affects people differently.

most everyone I know, slight cold or fever.

one person I know, died.

crazy shit. :angel:

[Aerovette]

Cancer: Some have a few cells scraped off, some have their entire bodies ravaged
Food poisoning: Some get nauseous, some die
Flu: Some saty in bed with a box of Kleenex for a few days, some die
HIV: Some take drugs and go on uninterrupted ala Magic Johnson, some whither away and die like Freddy Mercury
Car accident: Some walk away, some never go home.
Heart attack: Some survive more than one, others die immediately
Stroke: Some recover, some die

Then there's Covid which is truly unique when compared to the things listed above. See with Covid, some people have no idea they even had it, and others never leave the hospital and die.

Oh wait, that's not unique at all now that I think about it.

[Anjdog2003]

I've know at least 7 people that tested positive with Covid and were down between 3 days to 2 weeks. I've know people like that for the last 60 years including myself with the flu that were down for 3 days and sometimes for a couple of month. This lockdown shit is the biggest BS since the beginning of man. Sure people get it and die of it. But small businesses being shut down and all this B S restriction. You can't enter a restaurant without a mask but you can take it off once you sit down. Have to put it back on when you go to the restroom but take it off again when you sit down. All the coaches and refs in all sports have to wear a mask but not the players. 2020 will go down in the future as when mankind became the dumbest. :yesnod:

[Anjdog2003]

the rona affects people differently.

most everyone I know, slight cold or fever.

one person I know, died.

crazy shit. :angel:



It affects everyone differently, just like any disease. But we don't have our world come to a halt.

[Steve_R]

Any sign, meme, mandate, requirement, advertisement etc that uses the word "mask" will soon be replaced with "vaccine".

Expect to do NOTHING without one.

Quantas Airlines just announced that once a vaccine is “widely available” they will require international passengers to prove they have been vaccinated by showing a “electronic vaccination passport,” whatever that is. Yup, “Show Your Papers” to be able to travel is coming back after being eliminated by WWII.

Sadly, I've seen both extremes, and it can be heartbreaking. I just have a hard time understanding why the world has not stood up and told China to FO. Whether it was a genetic engineering experiment, or someone eating a bat, it's on them. They've now killed more, and destroyed more of the economy, than any military action could have hoped for.

China may have released the virus, but the economic destruction was our choice.


the rona affects people differently.

most everyone I know, slight cold or fever.

one person I know, died.

crazy shit. :angel:

Kinda like the flu. :yesnod:

[Raazor]

Kinda like the flu. :yesnod:

true. I lost an employee to the flu a couple of years ago also. :angel:

[Steve_R]

true. I lost an employee to the flu a couple of years ago also. :angel:

60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu last year. Nobody except close friends and relatives cared. No lockdowns. No masks. No “social distancing.” No bankrupt businesses. There’s a magic number of annual virus deaths below which nobody cares, and above which it’s Armageddon. The number appears to be super secret.

[Raazor]

60,000 people in the U.S. died from the flu last year. Nobody except close friends and relatives cared. No lockdowns. No masks. No “social distancing.” No bankrupt businesses. There’s a magic number of annual virus deaths below which nobody cares, and above which it’s Armageddon. The number appears to be super secret.

only 6,000 flu deaths this year. and pneumonia cases are down 77%. would have been a crazy healthy year if not for the Rona :yesnod:

[Anjdog2003]

true. I lost an employee to the flu a couple of years ago also. :angel:




He should have worn a mask. :yesnod:

[Steve_R]

only 6,000 flu deaths this year. and pneumonia cases are down 77%. would have been a crazy healthy year if not for the Rona :yesnod:

I predict around 2.9 million people die in the U.S. this year. Just like last year and the year before. With the horrible deadly WuFlu it should be at least 300,000 more this year than last year - but it won’t.

[Raazor]

I predict around 2.9 million people die in the U.S. this year. Just like last year and the year before. With the horrible deadly WuFlu it should be at least 300,000 more this year than last year - but it won’t.

CA bound to hit 25,500,000 eventually.

How come flu season starts over with counting in October but WuFlu count just continues with no reset?

[Steve_R]

CA bound to hit 25,500,000 eventually.

How come flu season starts over with counting in October but WuFlu count just continues with no reset?

It’s not the flu.

[snide]

Any sign, meme, mandate, requirement, advertisement etc that uses the word "mask" will soon be replaced with "vaccine".

Expect to do NOTHING without one.

:cuss::cuss::cuss:

[z06psi]

CA bound to hit 25,500,000 eventually.



How come flu season starts over with counting in October but WuFlu count just continues with no reset?In the year 2368.

[Aerovette]

only 6,000 flu deaths this year. and pneumonia cases are down 77%. would have been a crazy healthy year if not for the Rona :yesnod:

Flu and pneumonia are down because we are wearing masks and don't go to church

[ratflinger]

I'll be in line to buy a fake vaccine report

[Murray]

[realistic people]Flu and pneumonia and even the common cold are down because social distancing, people washing their hands, no mass get togethers at sporting events of any kind, major lockdowns and many other conditions created while fighting g the spread of Covid [/realistic people]

Fixed for accuracy :thumbs:

Steve if you don’t agree with this you need to go back to scientist school :yesnod:

[Steve_R]

Fixed for accuracy :thumbs:

Steve if you don’t agree with this you need to go back to scientist school :yesnod:

Scientist school relies on objective, peer reviewed evidence and actual statistics. Got any for what you “fixed?”

No? Didn’t think so.

Assumptions, conjecture, speculation, correlation and beliefs aren’t objective proof of anything.

[Aerovette]

Fixed for accuracy :thumbs:

Steve if you don’t agree with this you need to go back to scientist school :yesnod:

How is that accurate? Why don't those efforts work for Covid...that's what they were put in place for?

How does my mask stop the flu, but not Covid?

[Steve_R]

How is that accurate? Why don't those efforts work for Covid...that's what they were put in place for?

How does my mask stop the flu, but not Covid?


Things that make you go hmmm...

:waiting:

[Aerovette]

Things that make you go hmmm...

:waiting:

I'm up against about 5 people on a Facebook thread about all this crap and all they do is trip all over themselves with bass ackwards logic. Two have already vaporized. This place is great for honing skills to slay elsewhere.

[Steve_R]

I'm up against about 5 people on a Facebook thread about all this crap and all they do is trip all over themselves with bass ackwards logic. Two have already vaporized. This place is great for honing skills to slay elsewhere.

:seasix:

It’s almost a religion to many people. They “believe” it’s a super-deadly virus. They “believe” whatever the government and media say. They “believe” it’s worth giving up freedoms and civil liberties in the name of an illusion of safety. They “believe” masks have saved thousands to millions of lives with NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. They don’t believe, or understand, basic statistics. They don’t believe there is a difference between correlation and causation. They don’t understand there’s a huge difference between dying with COVID and dying from COVID.

And on. And on. And on.

[Aerovette]

:seasix:

It’s almost a religion to many people. They “believe” it’s a super-deadly virus. They “believe” whatever the government and media say. They “believe” it’s worth giving up freedoms and civil liberties in the name of an illusion of safety. They “believe” masks have saved thousands to millions of lives with NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. They don’t believe, or understand, basic statistics. They don’t believe there is a difference between correlation and causation. They don’t understand there’s a huge difference between dying with COVID and dying from COVID.

And on. And on. And on.


I'm entertained by all the people that "know somebody". Constant stories... I know a guy that was a fitness buff, 21 years old, never sick a day in his life and he bought gas one day and now he's dying on a ventilator.

I know a lady who laid down for a nap and woke up unable to breathe.

I know a guy that got it 4 times and it was because he went to church.

On and on.

[Steve_R]

80% of all COVID-related deaths in the U.S. are people over 65 and most had one or more medical issues - and we have 4 years olds wearing masks and most schools are closed. No. ****ing. Sense.

[Anjdog2003]

Fixed for accuracy :thumbs:

Steve if you don’t agree with this you need to go back to scientist school :yesnod:




So what we're going to do is not have anymore sporting events so will not get the flu, Covid or just about any other disease. My God why didn't we thing of that before.

I'm for social distancing of 6 ft because the germ can't travel any farther, forever. :yesnod:

[Aerovette]

So what we're going to do is not have anymore sporting events so will not get the flu, Covid or just about any other disease. My God why didn't we thing of that before.

I'm for social distancing of 6 ft because the germ can't travel any farther, forever. :yesnod:

Think about the things that have been targeted.

Things that bring joy, happiness, relief.

Movies
Bars
Church
Gyms
Parties
Sports events
Concerts
Visiting family

This is about breaking the human spirit. Just like they tame wild animals. Break their spirit until they just comply.

[Anjdog2003]

This is what you do. The Gov. just made a curfew from 10pm to 5am and we said Fk off. And the police did nothing and won't do anything about it. :yesnod:


csuu6b-UyBY

[Steve_R]

So what we're going to do is not have anymore sporting events so will not get the flu, Covid or just about any other disease. My God why didn't we thing of that before.

I'm for social distancing of 6 ft because the germ can't travel any farther, forever. :yesnod:


Dr. Fauci says we’ll be wearing masks at least until 2022. The head of the World Health Organization recently said we’ll be wearing them forever. Concerts? Sporting events? Nope, can’t have those, at least with people there in person.

[Anjdog2003]

You will see the Govt. back down when the people say ENOUGH!!! And it's coming soon. :yesnod:

[Raazor]

Dr. Fauci says we’ll be wearing masks at least until 2022. The head of the World Health Organization recently said we’ll be wearing them forever. Concerts? Sporting events? Nope, can’t have those, at least with people there in person.

Unfortunately, masks are here to stay :cuss:

[Sea Six]

Are you on any inhalers?


I prescribe albuterol for the chest tightness and also RX either pulmicort respimat inhaler or nebulizer ampules if they have one. The pulmocort reduced the inflammatory reaction in the lungs, which is the part that usually lands folks in the hospital on nasal canula O2 or the vent.

As I’m sure you know if your O2 levels drop below 90%, get to hospital.

Hope you feel better soon.

Yes I have both a rescue inhaler and a steroidal inhaler. Over the course of a few hours I took several hits from each and the oxygen is back up to 94-95% now.

A friend of mine had it back in Sept. She said she had to take naps in the afternoons for a few weeks afterward.

[Bill]

I'm entertained by all the people that "know somebody". Constant stories... I know a guy that was a fitness buff, 21 years old, never sick a day in his life and he bought gas one day and now he's dying on a ventilator.

I know a lady who laid down for a nap and woke up unable to breathe.

I know a guy that got it 4 times and it was because he went to church.

On and on.


Somebody didn't pay attention to their ABC's......always be chanting.

Had they gone to church but continuously shouted "justice for George Floyd," they would have been fully protected from getting sick.

[Mick]

People who are saying "it isn't the flu", because it lasts a long time and leaves a lot of damage behind, have just never had a sufficiently bad flu.

In 1999, I was 35 years old, and in the late stages of training for a half marathon, in other words, young and in excellent shape. I got the seasonal flu that resulted in a SARS event (SARS is the thing that actually kills you, and ANY flu can turn into SARS) so severe that there were a few days where I was literally afraid to breath out, because I wasn't sure I could breathe back in again. The acute portion of the disease lasted about 3 weeks, and it took about a year before I felt reasonably normal again. I have scarring on my lungs from it that my doctor says is visible on an X-ray, but says it is relatively minimal given the severity of my disease.

This is why, if you are sick, the thing you need to do is STAY HOME. A regular seasonal flu can, and occasionally does, kill even young very healthy people. I was almost one of them.

[dvarapala]

This is what you do. The Gov. just made a curfew from 10pm to 5am and we said Fk off. And the police did nothing and won't do anything about it. :yesnod:


csuu6b-UyBY

Was it my imagination or did I see you in that crowd? :popcorns:

[bigblock427]

49490
:D

[Bill]

So, question for our 'rona sufferers.

How is the HCQ+azithromycin+zinc treatment working?

[Rodnok1]

What I think people have forgotten is the covid is extremely easily transmitted compare to regular flu and colds. 1 infection = 5 infections complared to 1 to 2 regular. This really is the issue, no its so much different death wise than regular flu.
Seems the covid is fallen into the same area most diseases do, I've you don't have it or someone you know closely hasn't fallen ill and died most just brush it off. Nothing new.
For those of you who are lucky enough to live in areas that don't have it bad you're lucky as hell, for those of us who unfortunately do.... Wearing a mask and staying the fuk away from people is our only hope not getting it because i cant speak for others but I sure the fuk don't want it.

[dvarapala]

This is what happens when you rush a product to market:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/health/astrazeneca-vaccine-data-questions/index.html


(CNN)Vaccine experts -- including those who serve on advisory committees for the US Food and Drug Administration and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention -- have questions about data released Monday by AstraZeneca about its Covid-19 vaccine.
In a press release Monday, the pharmaceutical giant announced that its vaccine is on average 70% effective. However, the company did not state the data that led them to that conclusion.
"Absent knowing this, it's hard to know the significance of their findings," said Dr. Paul Offit, a member of the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, which will review Covid-19 vaccines before they are put on the market.

[dvarapala]

Americans revive spirit of first Thanksgiving by carrying disease to new areas

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/25/americans-revive-spirit-first-thanksgiving-by-carrying-disease-new-areas/

[Bill]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/25/americans-revive-spirit-first-thanksgiving-by-carrying-disease-new-areas/

For those of us who want a good laugh this morning, we can't see this because it's behind a paywall. Please quote the opinion piece.

:toetap:

[ThePirate]

For those of us who want a good laugh this morning, we can't see this because it's behind a paywall. Please quote the opinion piece.

:toetap:


Americans revive spirit of first Thanksgiving by carrying disease to new areas


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IK7BNFXMFMI6RC2HXUEXL7LBTE.jpg&w=32
'Drawing a hand turkey and feeling good about myself without thinking about the suffering and struggle of the Wampanoag people one bit.' (Aarti Kalyani/iStock)
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(https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/alexandra-petri/)
Opinion by Alexandra Petri (https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/alexandra-petri/)


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November 25, 2020 at 5:10 p.m. EST





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Across the United States, millions of people pointedly spurning CDC advice as they celebrated Thanksgiving during a time of increased covid-19 community spread were excited to hearken back to the very first traditions of European settlement in the Americas.

“We wanted to keep alive the customs these settlers helped start,” explained one family that was traveling hundreds of miles to spread disease to people they didn’t know because they thought the trip would be best for their family. “We just want to do the same thing they did, but in a way that includes a dish that somehow incorporates both marshmallows and sweet potatoes.”


These Thanksgiving reenactors were dedicated to making sure the holiday got the celebration it deserved. “Usually," another ardent patriot said, "my Thanksgiving celebration is based on a selective and misleading interpretation of history. This year, it will be based on a selective and misleading interpretation of science as well. And I brought green beans with those weird little packaged onion things on them!”



“It’s a point of pride with me to ignore any guidelines that would prevent my bringing pestilence with me to this important family holiday,” one celebrator noted. “The Pilgrims didn’t pay attention to any guidelines! Dare I act as though to be alive now offers me any advantages over what they had?"

One matriarch, sticking her entire arm into the slick carcass of a bird, offered, "It’s important to me that my Thanksgiving keeps the traditions of those first fur traders and colonists alive: where I feel as though I am absolutely and divinely right to do what I am doing and refuse to connect my actions with consequences in any way.”

“I was watching a PBS special about the Pilgrims,” one American said, “and they spent their entire first winter in Massachusetts before Thanksgiving just watching their family members die. They carried them out to the woods, propped them up against trees and left them there to give the illusion that the settlement was guarded. That wasn’t something we incorporated into our Thanksgiving before, but it’s never too late to start a new tradition, provided that new tradition does not involve Zoom in any way!”



“If the attendees at the first Thanksgiving had been able to choose between having all their loved ones alive or having a big, celebratory meal a single time, I am pretty sure that they would have chosen the second thing,” said another traveler, who added that under no circumstances would he be shamed by any stay-at-home recommendations, CDC-issued or otherwise, because he thought they were part of the War on Christmas, and therefore they made him upset. “I think it’s just typical P.C. nonsense to try to shoehorn new liberal fads like germ theory into our traditional American holidays. Next they’ll be saying that the reason Santa can’t catch covid-19 is because he’s fictional."

“I am excited to get back to what I erroneously thought was the true essence of Thanksgiving,” added an uncle. “And that’s drawing a hand turkey and feeling good about myself without thinking about the suffering and struggle of the Wampanoag people one bit.” The fact that he got to have his ill-advised gathering in the midst of an ongoing pandemic that was disproportionately devastating indigenous communities was just another detail that made this uncle feel that he was participating in a great national tradition. “I’m going to do what I’m going to do, and if they try to tell me I can’t, they’ve got another thing coming! This is America!” he said, stamping his foot for emphasis on what technically is Piscataway land.

“I’m just glad we’re getting back to the roots of this holiday, which is long-distance travel, vectors of disease and the devastation of families. I hated how Thanksgiving had evolved into a holiday where you were supposed to gather and have a political argument and leave without fearing you were carrying any disease to your community or others.'" He concluded by saying you could take the turkey from his cold, dead hands.

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[Sea Six]

So, question for our 'rona sufferers.

How is the HCQ+azithromycin+zinc treatment working?

The Trump Cocktail was a miracle worker for me.

The day before I took it I had many of the symptoms including watching my oxygen levels drop steadily down to around 90 and holding... my blood pressure was 167/113 and pulse rate was 106. When blood oxygen is in the 80s and holding is where you get hospitalized.

Just two days after I started medication the only symptoms I had remaining were a low grade fever, very light sinus congestion and I was extremely tired. The blood oxygen was 94-97, blood pressure was 127/84 and pulse rate was in the low 70s.

I’ve since had a few bouts where the blood oxygen starts to dip downward but so far when I get back on the inhalers I am able to get it back into the normal range. Fever has been gone for about five or six days now.

This is Day 14.

[BOTY]

Americans revive spirit of first Thanksgiving by carrying disease to new areas


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IK7BNFXMFMI6RC2HXUEXL7LBTE.jpg&w=32
'Drawing a hand turkey and feeling good about myself without thinking about the suffering and struggle of the Wampanoag people one bit.' (Aarti Kalyani/iStock)
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(https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/alexandra-petri/)
Opinion by Alexandra Petri (https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/alexandra-petri/)


Columnist


November 25, 2020 at 5:10 p.m. EST





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Across the United States, millions of people pointedly spurning CDC advice as they celebrated Thanksgiving during a time of increased covid-19 community spread were excited to hearken back to the very first traditions of European settlement in the Americas.

“We wanted to keep alive the customs these settlers helped start,” explained one family that was traveling hundreds of miles to spread disease to people they didn’t know because they thought the trip would be best for their family. “We just want to do the same thing they did, but in a way that includes a dish that somehow incorporates both marshmallows and sweet potatoes.”


These Thanksgiving reenactors were dedicated to making sure the holiday got the celebration it deserved. “Usually," another ardent patriot said, "my Thanksgiving celebration is based on a selective and misleading interpretation of history. This year, it will be based on a selective and misleading interpretation of science as well. And I brought green beans with those weird little packaged onion things on them!”



“It’s a point of pride with me to ignore any guidelines that would prevent my bringing pestilence with me to this important family holiday,” one celebrator noted. “The Pilgrims didn’t pay attention to any guidelines! Dare I act as though to be alive now offers me any advantages over what they had?"

One matriarch, sticking her entire arm into the slick carcass of a bird, offered, "It’s important to me that my Thanksgiving keeps the traditions of those first fur traders and colonists alive: where I feel as though I am absolutely and divinely right to do what I am doing and refuse to connect my actions with consequences in any way.”

“I was watching a PBS special about the Pilgrims,” one American said, “and they spent their entire first winter in Massachusetts before Thanksgiving just watching their family members die. They carried them out to the woods, propped them up against trees and left them there to give the illusion that the settlement was guarded. That wasn’t something we incorporated into our Thanksgiving before, but it’s never too late to start a new tradition, provided that new tradition does not involve Zoom in any way!”



“If the attendees at the first Thanksgiving had been able to choose between having all their loved ones alive or having a big, celebratory meal a single time, I am pretty sure that they would have chosen the second thing,” said another traveler, who added that under no circumstances would he be shamed by any stay-at-home recommendations, CDC-issued or otherwise, because he thought they were part of the War on Christmas, and therefore they made him upset. “I think it’s just typical P.C. nonsense to try to shoehorn new liberal fads like germ theory into our traditional American holidays. Next they’ll be saying that the reason Santa can’t catch covid-19 is because he’s fictional."

“I am excited to get back to what I erroneously thought was the true essence of Thanksgiving,” added an uncle. “And that’s drawing a hand turkey and feeling good about myself without thinking about the suffering and struggle of the Wampanoag people one bit.” The fact that he got to have his ill-advised gathering in the midst of an ongoing pandemic that was disproportionately devastating indigenous communities was just another detail that made this uncle feel that he was participating in a great national tradition. “I’m going to do what I’m going to do, and if they try to tell me I can’t, they’ve got another thing coming! This is America!” he said, stamping his foot for emphasis on what technically is Piscataway land.

“I’m just glad we’re getting back to the roots of this holiday, which is long-distance travel, vectors of disease and the devastation of families. I hated how Thanksgiving had evolved into a holiday where you were supposed to gather and have a political argument and leave without fearing you were carrying any disease to your community or others.'" He concluded by saying you could take the turkey from his cold, dead hands.

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Another opinion piece. :slap: I have opinions as well. :seasix:

[Strats-N-Vettes]

People that quote CNN and WAPO opinion articles as facts:
.

[MikeB]

So, question for our 'rona sufferers.

How is the HCQ+azithromycin+zinc treatment working?


The Trump Cocktail was a miracle worker for me.

The day before I took it I had many of the symptoms including watching my oxygen levels drop steadily down to around 90 and holding... my blood pressure was 167/113 and pulse rate was 106. When blood oxygen is in the 80s and holding is where you get hospitalized.

Just two days after I started medication the only symptoms I had remaining were a low grade fever, very light sinus congestion and I was extremely tired. The blood oxygen was 94-97, blood pressure was 127/84 and pulse rate was in the low 70s.

I’ve since had a few bouts where the blood oxygen starts to dip downward but so far when I get back on the inhalers I am able to get it back into the normal range. Fever has been gone for about five or six days now.

This is Day 14.

Upon admission to the hospital, I was given 5 treatments of Remdesiver(sp), and 10 treatments of Betamaxisone(sp) steroids, only because these treatments were FDA approved. Each treatment was 1 per day. I was not offered the above presidential treatment, but I know The Donald also was given the same items I got.
I was released with external oxygen support only, and by searching
all types of medical reviews/reports, I'll be on oxygen for months to come (3 to 6 by most estimates). I can relax off oxygen @ 91-94% with 110 pulse, but as soon as I move, I go down into the mid 80s oxygen with a 120-125 pulse.
On oxygen at 2ml, I'm 95% resting(sitting in a chair), with a pulse in the 80s-90 range. Laying on my belly(a minimum 8 hours/day) produces 97% plus, and a pulse in the high 60s (normal pre-covid). One good thing that has happened; My hypertension (high BP) is non-existant (this is my pre-existing condition) I'm off BP meds for the past 3 weeks. BP is in the 120/80 range, +/- 10 points on either reading depending on rest/activity.
Excuse this diatribe if I'm repeating myself, but this shit is boring the hell out of me, and recouping is very slow.

[Steve_R]

People that quote CNN and WAPO opinion articles as facts:
.

are ignorant trolls who should be banned from all social media forever.

Finished it for ya. :seasix:

[Raazor]

Americans revive spirit of first Thanksgiving by carrying disease to new areas


:fastguy::fastguy::fastguy::fastguy:

[Aerovette]

49490
:D

That is (those are) just beautiful.

[Anjdog2003]

Was it my imagination or did I see you in that crowd? :popcorns:




Too cold. it was 60 degrees outside. :yesnod:

[Raazor]

mur, pHrEd, and BP... stay away from Churches!!!!! The horror! The horror!!!!


https://www.foxnews.com/us/supreme-court-rules-against-cuomos-coronavirus-limits-with-barrett-playing-key-role

The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday night blocked New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo from reimposing strict attendance caps at worship services in areas hit hard by the novel coronavirus.

[Aerovette]

I am not sure how the whole oxygen level thing works or is supposed to work, but this was my experience. I stayed at 97-98 for quite a while. Then I saw a dip in to the 95-96 range. I would force air in to my lungs. Expanding and drawing in as much air as I could possibly draw in. I would watch the oxygen monitor and it would dip to 94 and occasionally 93 (and start flashing as this is a low threshold). Immediately upon stopping the forced inhalation, the number would bounce up to 96 and 97 and stay. My expectation was actually the complete opposite. I expected more air meant more oxygen. That was not the case. However, by doing that forced breathing, I was able to increase and maintain high numbers for the entire 15 days.

[Raazor]

I am not sure how the whole oxygen level thing works or is supposed to work, but this was my experience. I stayed at 97-98 for quite a while. Then I saw a dip in to the 95-96 range. I would force air in to my lungs. Expanding and drawing in as much air as I could possibly draw in. I would watch the oxygen monitor and it would dip to 94 and occasionally 93 (and start flashing as this is a low threshold). Immediately upon stopping the forced inhalation, the number would bounce up to 96 and 97 and stay. My expectation was actually the complete opposite. I expected more air meant more oxygen. That was not the case. However, by doing that forced breathing, I was able to increase and maintain high numbers for the entire 15 days.

Funny enough... low Oxygen levels are also associated with Influenza.

[Aerovette]

Funny enough... low Oxygen levels are also associated with Influenza.

And about 100 other ailments...but this year, all of that is unimportant.

[Raazor]

And about 100 other ailments...but this year, all of that is unimportant.

trooth. the good news is we've almost eradicated Influenza so one flu gone :thumbs:

[Aerovette]

trooth. the good news is we've almost eradicated Influenza so one flu gone :thumbs:

Last night on FB:

Why are flu and pneumonia numbers so low?

FB idiot: Because people are wearing masks

Then why aren't covid numbers low?

Same FB idiot: Because people don't follow rules or don't wear their masks properly.

Then why are flu numbers so low?

Same FB idiot: Duh, we have a vaccine for the flu.

But, we have had flu vaccines for decades

Same FB idiot: But now we have vaccines AND masks.

:lol:

[Raazor]

Last night on FB:

Why are flu and pneumonia numbers so low?

FB idiot: Because people are wearing masks

Then why aren't covid numbers low?

Same FB idiot: Because people don't follow rules or don't wear their masks properly.

Then why are flu numbers so low?

Same FB idiot: Duh, we have a vaccine for the flu.

But, we have had flu vaccines for decades

Same FB idiot: But now we have vaccines AND masks.

:lol:

the sheep in this country drive me crazy. I'm not on FB much anymore due to this :rofl:

[Aerovette]

the sheep in this country drive me crazy. I'm not on FB much anymore due to this :rofl:

Anyone that ever said the maskers are like a cult or religion was spot on.

They get enraged if you try to point out the complete lack of logic. The fun is watching them delete their posts when they are cornered and losing horribly. *poof* and a message that "something went wrong" and you can't reply because they abandoned ship and took their posts with them.

[dvarapala]

Anyone that ever said the maskers are like a cult or religion was spot on.

They get enraged if you try to point out the complete lack of logic. The fun is watching them delete their posts when they are cornered and losing horribly. *poof* and a message that "something went wrong" and you can't reply because they abandoned ship and took their posts with them.

They can't delete screenshots. ;)

[Sea Six]

Excuse this diatribe if I'm repeating myself, but this shit is boring the hell out of me, and recouping is very slow.

I'm coming reluctantly to the idea that recovery is going to be slow.

I am not sure how the whole oxygen level thing works or is supposed to work, but this was my experience. I stayed at 97-98 for quite a while. Then I saw a dip in to the 95-96 range. I would force air in to my lungs. Expanding and drawing in as much air as I could possibly draw in. I would watch the oxygen monitor and it would dip to 94 and occasionally 93 (and start flashing as this is a low threshold). Immediately upon stopping the forced inhalation, the number would bounce up to 96 and 97 and stay. My expectation was actually the complete opposite. I expected more air meant more oxygen. That was not the case. However, by doing that forced breathing, I was able to increase and maintain high numbers for the entire 15 days.

I had shortness of breath, to the point where I would take in a full lungfull of air and hold it trying to get the feeling that I was no longer out of breath, on the last day before I started treatment.

When it's below about 93 I start to feel that way again. The inhalers work.

I call my rescue inhaler Vlad.



Vlad The Inhaler

[Steve_R]

Last night on FB:

Why are flu and pneumonia numbers so low?

FB idiot: Because people are wearing masks

Then why aren't covid numbers low?

Same FB idiot: Because people don't follow rules or don't wear their masks properly.

Then why are flu numbers so low?

Same FB idiot: Duh, we have a vaccine for the flu.

But, we have had flu vaccines for decades

Same FB idiot: But now we have vaccines AND masks.

:lol:

Sounds like murraT. :yesnod:


mur, pHrEd, and BP... stay away from Churches!!!!! The horror! The horror!!!!


https://www.foxnews.com/us/supreme-court-rules-against-cuomos-coronavirus-limits-with-barrett-playing-key-role

About time a Dictator - oops I mean Governor - got slapped down for making up arbitrary rules. Needs to happen a lot more. :seasix:

[Steve_R]

Vlad the Inhaler. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Sea Six]

Americans revive spirit of first Thanksgiving by carrying disease to new areas


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IK7BNFXMFMI6RC2HXUEXL7LBTE.jpg&w=32
'Drawing a hand turkey and feeling good about myself without thinking about the suffering and struggle of the Wampanoag people one bit.' (Aarti Kalyani/iStock)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://s3.amazonaws.com/arc-authors/washpost/99345879-b8b2-4031-b6be-aaf6df33cee9.png&w=55&h=55
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/alexandra-petri/)
Opinion by Alexandra Petri (https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/alexandra-petri/)


Columnist


November 25, 2020 at 5:10 p.m.
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Did this snarky bitch write a similar column on the rioters who weren't social distancing?

[FLEXjs]

Mike Yeadon - Expert on Viruses Disagrees with Liberal Politicians - YouTube

[MikeB]

/\I'm gonna fall asleep listening to this guy.

[C3C7NIC]

Hey jackasses> THIS is why masks don't work.


https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/123969656_10157417521152132_5409446900701336968_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=OKfPypyPpvkAX9qcldB&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=661f841287f3c4cf4660fb18e506edab&oe=5FE859AF

[Aerovette]

Hey jackasses> THIS is why masks don't work.


https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/123969656_10157417521152132_5409446900701336968_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=OKfPypyPpvkAX9qcldB&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=661f841287f3c4cf4660fb18e506edab&oe=5FE859AF

I would seriously have to resist punching him square in the head. I'm not sure I could resist.

[FLEXjs]

/\I'm gonna fall asleep listening to this guy.

It's a long vid, but very enlightening. Worth the time, IMHO.

I took a break and came back to it. LOL.

[Bill]

https://i.maga.host/sVzIUwF.png

[JetMechZ16]

Scientist school relies on objective, peer reviewed evidence and actual statistics. Got any for what you “fixed?”

No? Didn’t think so.

Assumptions, conjecture, speculation, correlation and beliefs aren’t objective proof of anything.

You're arguing with a guy that installs dry wall for a living. Scientific methodology not required in his line of work.:dance:

[Raazor]

https://i.maga.host/sVzIUwF.png

Sad but true. muttaT & pHrEd approved :sadangel:

[Raazor]

I would seriously have to resist punching him square in the head. I'm not sure I could resist.

He'd probably whoop your ass :rofl:

[Aerovette]

He'd probably whoop your ass :rofl:

He better. It's his only hope.

[Hardluck]

You guys Murrat has the "V", you don't mess with the "V"!:seasix::yesnod:

[BOTY]

Last night on FB:

Why are flu and pneumonia numbers so low?

FB idiot: Because people are wearing masks

Then why aren't covid numbers low?

Same FB idiot: Because people don't follow rules or don't wear their masks properly.

Then why are flu numbers so low?

Same FB idiot: Duh, we have a vaccine for the flu.

But, we have had flu vaccines for decades

Same FB idiot: But now we have vaccines AND masks.

:lol:

We don't have a flu vaccine :slap: only a flu shot. :seasix:

[z06psi]

You guys Murrat has the "V", you don't mess with the "V"!:seasix::yesnod:That's gayer than a flex selfie.

[StaticCling]

Two people at the studio have tested positive. I do believe I know one of them, but not confirmed. (Particular person out with a high fever)

Fortunately, I work in the field, so no exposure here...

[Aerovette]

We don't have a flu vaccine :slap: only a flu shot. :seasix:

I'm gonna go with...."No" :D



An influenza (flu) shot is a flu vaccine given with a needle, usually in the arm. Seasonal flu shots protect against the three or four influenza viruses that research suggests may be most common during the upcoming season. The composition of flu vaccines have been updated for the 2020-2021 flu season.

[BOTY]

I'm gonna go with...."No" :D



An influenza (flu) shot is a flu vaccine given with a needle, usually in the arm. Seasonal flu shots protect against the three or four influenza viruses that research suggests may be most common during the upcoming season. The composition of flu vaccines have been updated for the 2020-2021 flu season.

Fair enough.

[snide]

Two people at the studio have tested positive. I do believe I know one of them, but not confirmed. (Particular person out with a high fever)

Fortunately, I work in the field, so no exposure here...

As long as you stay up in the airplane, you should be good. :thumbs:

[Sea Six]

I have Covid pneumonia.


:banghead:

[JetMechZ16]

I have Covid pneumonia.


:banghead:

:sadangel: I wish you the best in fighting it off. :sadangel:

[Aerovette]

I have Covid pneumonia.


:banghead:

Wait, what? What is that?:island14:

[FLEXjs]

Local media just posted a headline about an "outbreak" at a local hospital.

Number infected: 2

[Aerovette]

Local media just posted a headline about an "outbreak" at a local hospital.

Number infected: 2

:willy::willy::willy::willy::willy::willy:

Holy shit. Get the mobile morgues rolling. This is going to be catastrophic.

At 99.86 survival rate, one of those two people just isn't going to feel whole.

[JetMechZ16]

Local media just posted a headline about an "outbreak" at a local hospital.

Number infected: 2

49614

[Mike Mercury]

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads26/Coon1605893145.jpg

[Sea Six]

Wait, what? What is that?:island14:

Pneumonia and Coronavirus: Does Everyone With COVID-19

...www.webmd.com › ... › Coronavirus › Reference


Oct 23, 2020 — Most people who get COVID-19 have mild or moderate symptoms like coughing, a fever, and shortness of breath. But some who catch the new coronavirus get severe pneumonia in both lungs. COVID-19 pneumonia is a serious illness that can be deadly.

:seasix:

[Aerovette]

:seasix:

I believe that is the logic behind giving the antibiotics alongside the other treatments. My dad was on steroids, now a zpack. day 20 or so and he is still ok as far as oxygen levels and temperature, but feels like hammered dog shit and has a cough.

[Sea Six]

I believe that is the logic behind giving the antibiotics alongside the other treatments. My dad was on steroids, now a zpack. day 20 or so and he is still ok as far as oxygen levels and temperature, but feels like hammered dog shit and has a cough.

I agree 100%.

I was NOT given z-pack initially. I developed a cough which eventually resulted in green stuff being coughed up. Only then was I given the antibiotic.

It knocked it out, but over a week passed and now it's back. And the blood oxygen levels are dropping all over again. Shortness of breath is starting to present itself.

I am not a doctor, but I'm wondering if I had been given the Z-pack at the start if I would be where I'm at presently.


C3C7 might have an opinion to share on this topic.

[The_Dude]

:seasix:

Get well soon Clark.

[Little Red L98.]

A coworker/friend has it and his wife may now too. It’s kicking his ass because he already had issues with bronchitis. Another coworker’s friend had it and is now dead. Died from the covid/pneumonia thing. :sadangel:

Be smart, stay safe, *stay home.

[Anjdog2003]

Be smart, stay safe, stay home.



Sure :spdchk:

[Mick]

I have Covid pneumonia.


:banghead:

Wait, what? What is that?:island14:

:seasix:

What you have is commonly termed "SARS" = Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. That is what happened to me back in 1999 that I described above. Basically the virus infects your whole lungs. All "pneumonia" really means is "infected lungs". That could be a bacterial infection (often resolved quickly if the proper antibiotics are administered early enough), or a viral infection in the case of a flu that causes the infection. Like I said above, the SARS is what actually kills you if you die from the flu.

I believe that is the logic behind giving the antibiotics alongside the other treatments. My dad was on steroids, now a zpack. day 20 or so and he is still ok as far as oxygen levels and temperature, but feels like hammered dog shit and has a cough.

I agree 100%.

I was NOT given z-pack initially. I developed a cough which eventually resulted in green stuff being coughed up. Only then was I given the antibiotic.

It knocked it out, but over a week passed and now it's back. And the blood oxygen levels are dropping all over again. Shortness of breath is starting to present itself.

I am not a doctor, but I'm wondering if I had been given the Z-pack at the start if I would be where I'm at presently.

Correct. The Z-pack, or other antibiotics your Doctor prescribes will not affect the flu virus that is the cause of your infection. However, when your lungs are infected with a flu bug, they will produce pus, which in this case, is a fabulous breeding ground for lots of other infections. The anti-biotics are prescribed on a "prophylactic" basis to try to stop aggravating infections.

Sorry to hear you are still struggling SeaSix. Hang in there!

[Aerovette]

I agree 100%.

I was NOT given z-pack initially. I developed a cough which eventually resulted in green stuff being coughed up. Only then was I given the antibiotic.

It knocked it out, but over a week passed and now it's back. And the blood oxygen levels are dropping all over again. Shortness of breath is starting to present itself.

I am not a doctor, but I'm wondering if I had been given the Z-pack at the start if I would be where I'm at presently.


C3C7 might have an opinion to share on this topic.

Holy crappity crap. Yeah, that is serious. Wow man, I really hope you knock the shit out of this mess. You may need IV antibiotics. Real deal stuff.

[Grey Ghost]

I agree 100%.

I was NOT given z-pack initially. I developed a cough which eventually resulted in green stuff being coughed up. Only then was I given the antibiotic.

It knocked it out, but over a week passed and now it's back. And the blood oxygen levels are dropping all over again. Shortness of breath is starting to present itself.

I am not a doctor, but I'm wondering if I had been given the Z-pack at the start if I would be where I'm at presently.


C3C7 might have an opinion to share on this topic.

You need to be in the hospital with IV antibiotic cocktails. The IV stuff is way more powerful and all they can do is throw a mix of antibiotics at it. They can also get a culture from your fleem and see if it grows to see what it really is. If it is Covid. They can give you specific meds and plasma for it.

[Little Red L98.]

Sure :spdchk:

*to the extent you can. Didn’t think I’d have to say that. :rolleyes:

[m and t's77]

I have Covid pneumonia.


:banghead:

Welcome to the club.:seasix:
I could barely breath just getting up and walking to the bathroom.the meds suck I'm on day two and my side effects are literally towel drenching sweat then about eight hours later violent convulsions until the Motrin kicks in.
The rest of the family has it but have no syptems.
Godspeed on getting through this.

[Sea Six]

So tired right now achy upper lu gs when I breathe

[Sea Six]

Wanna barf

[snide]

Local media just posted a headline about an "outbreak" at a local hospital.

Number infected: 2

Lockdown the city!!! :willy::willy::willy:

[LisaJohn]

So tired right now achy upper lu gs when I breathe

Nosy rosy here. Is anyone with you? Sounds like you may need to get to the hospital. A friend of mine was admitted to the hospital this afternoon with covid pneumonia.

[Anjdog2003]

*to the extent you can. Didn’t think I’d have to say that. :rolleyes:



What extent? Only to go to the Store? Only to get take out. Only to visit relatives. Fk staying home. i went Jet Skiing with my kids down in Mission Bay in San Diego. They tried to impose a curfew here for 10pm how did that work out for the Govt.?

k4shXREF9PY

[Steve_R]

It appears that COVID is the only cause of pneumonia now; all other causes have been eradicated, so there's that.

[Bill]

So tired right now achy upper lu gs when I breathe

Clark, do you have someone looking after you? Your parents? You need to be in close touch with someone local, if you need to go to the hospital or doctor, you need someone close by that can take you.

Keep us posted. Hoping for a turnaround for you. I thought you'd already had this for a couple of weeks.

[markids77]

The population of my county is approximately 290,000. The local news tonight said there are a total of 70 corona cases hospitalized in the entire county tonight. 2 people were recorded as dying from the virus today. While I realize there are many folk still at home battling this, and I hope you all recover soon and fully; it seems to be less of a world ending event here than what's on the National news.

[Steve_R]

The population of my county is approximately 290,000. The local news tonight said there are a total of 70 corona cases hospitalized in the entire county tonight. 2 people were recorded as dying from the virus today. While I realize there are many folk still at home battling this, and I hope you all recover soon and fully; it seems to be less of a world ending event here than what's on the National news.

Our county has 100,000 people. 55 total COVID-related deaths this year. Only one person in the hospital with it, and they're not in ICU. And everything here is open at 100%, and we have no mask mandate.

[Aerovette]

Listen up all you Covid sufferers. We do not lose Barners. It is not permitted. You are going to kick Covid ass and get back to focusing on posting inane bullshit.

Hang tough and we'll pull you through this shit. You got this !!

[MikeB]

Wanna barf

If you aren't already, you need to get to a hospital.
Pneumonia is a big problem for Covid positive people,
although you may not test positive by now, as with me, the
virus has affected blood circulation in the lungs. My Doctors don't know how
long the lack of blood flow to the lungs will last, but I'm 3 weeks out of the hospital now, and the improvement is slow.

I went in to my place of work today, pulling my portable oxygen
cart - need it while walking, just to visit.
One of the truck drivers who went out covid positive
5 days before me, told me his good friend came down with too,
symptoms similar to mine - short of breath. Admitted to the hospital
and put on oxygen/proning, 2 days later he got Pneumonia. Refused
to be intubated and placed on a ventilor, he died 3 days later.

This stuff is serious to us 1%'ers

[Little Red L98.]

What extent? Only to go to the Store? Only to get take out. Only to visit relatives. Fk staying home. i went Jet Skiing with my kids down in Mission Bay in San Diego. They tried to impose a curfew here for 10pm how did that work out for the Govt.?

Not gonna argue with you man. Personally, I don’t want that chit. Stay safe, be smart, stay home to the extent you can.

[Steve_R]

Not gonna argue with you man. Personally, I don’t want that chit. Stay safe, be smart, stay home to the extent you can.

To each their own. We’re not staying home. In the U.S. your chance of getting it is under 3%. Your chance of dying with it is 0.07%. I’ll take those odds and keep living instead of hiding out at home until the government says I can come out.

:cert:

[Anjdog2003]

Not gonna argue with you man. Personally, I don’t want that chit. Stay safe, be smart, stay home to the extent you can.




:yesnod::yesnod:

A1v9Yo1JmdM

[Little Red L98.]

:yesnod::yesnod:

A1v9Yo1JmdM

:yesnod::cheers:

[Little Red L98.]

To each their own. We’re not staying home. In the U.S. your chance of getting it is under 3%. Your chance of dying with it is 0.07%. I’ll take those odds and keep living instead of hiding out at home until the government says I can come out.

:cert:

Pretty much all I do is stay home anyway. lol

We did miss our Mediterranean cruise this summer which sucked but there’s next year.

[Anjdog2003]

Pretty much all I do is stay home anyway. lol






Not with this weather you would.

Tuesday Sunny 78°51°

Wednesday Partly Cloudy 76°55°

Thursday Sunny 73°54

Saturday Sunny 73° 54°

Sunday Sunny 75° 50°

Monday Sunny 72° 51°

Tuesday Fair 72° 55°

Wednesday Sunny 71° 52°

[Sea Six]

To each their own. We’re not staying home. In the U.S. your chance of getting it is under 3%. Your chance of dying with it is 0.07%. I’ll take those odds and keep living instead of hiding out at home until the government says I can come out.

:cert:

The virus is real.

The sky-is-falling ****ing retarded shut-down-the-entire-country reaction to this virus is ****ing BULLSHIT.

If this is the proper reaction to such a threat, then we need to shut down the whole country and stay shut down forever. After all, there are a lot of viruses out there. It's for the children.

[Sea Six]

Nosy rosy here. Is anyone with you? Sounds like you may need to get to the hospital. A friend of mine was admitted to the hospital this afternoon with covid pneumonia.

I live alone, but Molly is doing a good job of keeping watch over me.

Neighbors and family are dropping off food and prescriptions for me.

[Sea Six]

Welcome to the club.:seasix:
I could barely breath just getting up and walking to the bathroom.the meds suck I'm on day two and my side effects are literally towel drenching sweat then about eight hours later violent convulsions until the Motrin kicks in.
The rest of the family has it but have no syptems.
Godspeed on getting through this.

Dang, hang in there

Clark, do you have someone looking after you? Your parents? You need to be in close touch with someone local, if you need to go to the hospital or doctor, you need someone close by that can take you.

Keep us posted. Hoping for a turnaround for you. I thought you'd already had this for a couple of weeks.

I can get to a hospital if I need to. The Covid was over a week ago. The Covid related pneumonia is a recent development. I think.

Listen up all you Covid sufferers. We do not lose Barners. It is not permitted. You are going to kick Covid ass and get back to focusing on posting inane bullshit.

Hang tough and we'll pull you through this shit. You got this !!

I do not post inane bullshit. I post meaningless drivel.

If you aren't already, you need to get to a hospital.
Pneumonia is a big problem for Covid positive people,
although you may not test positive by now, as with me, the
virus has affected blood circulation in the lungs. My Doctors don't know how
long the lack of blood flow to the lungs will last, but I'm 3 weeks out of the hospital now, and the improvement is slow.

I went in to my place of work today, pulling my portable oxygen
cart - need it while walking, just to visit.
One of the truck drivers who went out covid positive
5 days before me, told me his good friend came down with too,
symptoms similar to mine - short of breath. Admitted to the hospital
and put on oxygen/proning, 2 days later he got Pneumonia. Refused
to be intubated and placed on a ventilor, he died 3 days later.

This stuff is serious to us 1%'ers

Blood oxygen is 93-94% as I type this. If it gets below 90 and stays there I will go to a hospital.

To each their own. We’re not staying home. In the U.S. your chance of getting it is under 3%. Your chance of dying with it is 0.07%. I’ll take those odds and keep living instead of hiding out at home until the government says I can come out.

:cert:

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

[Murray]

To each their own. We’re not staying home. In the U.S. your chance of getting it is under 3%. Your chance of dying with it is 0.07%. I’ll take those odds and keep living instead of hiding out at home until the government says I can come out.

:cert:

Check your math.

8,610,234
Cases which had an outcome:
8,333,255 (97%)
Recovered / Discharged

276,979 (3%)
Deaths

[snide]

Check your math.

8,610,234
Cases which had an outcome:
8,333,255 (97%)
Recovered / Discharged

276,979 (3%)
Deaths

Roughly 10% of those deaths are from COVID.

[JetMechZ16]

Pretty much all I do is stay home anyway. lol

We did miss our Mediterranean cruise this summer which sucked but there’s next year.

I've been on a bunch of those, way overrated. The view going through the Suez is nice though. Full moons on the ocean are spectacular if you can get past the cruise missile launches.

[MadInNc]

Roughly 10% of those deaths are from COVID.

Yep...

[Mike Mercury]

The virus is real.

The sky-is-falling ****ing retarded shut-down-the-entire-country reaction to this virus is ****ing BULLSHIT.


http://www.tim-yvonne.com/gif/bell1.gif

[Steve_R]

Check your math.

8,610,234
Cases which had an outcome:
8,333,255 (97%)
Recovered / Discharged

276,979 (3%)
Deaths

276,979/330,000,000 = 0.00084, which is 0.084%.

276,979 out of 330,000,000 is not 3%. Stick to hanging drywall.

[Bill]

Welcome to the club.:seasix:
I could barely breath just getting up and walking to the bathroom.the meds suck I'm on day two and my side effects are literally towel drenching sweat then about eight hours later violent convulsions until the Motrin kicks in.
The rest of the family has it but have no syptems.
Godspeed on getting through this.

Get better quick. That's an order, buster!

[Strats-N-Vettes]

276,979/330,000,000 = 0.00084, which is 0.084%.

Stick to hanging sheetrock ya stinkin' mudder.


Fixed for accuracy.

[Bill]

I can get to a hospital if I need to. The Covid was over a week ago. The Covid related pneumonia is a recent development. I think.




I remember probably 30 years ago, I ended up with bronchitis/maybe pneumonia after a particularly nasty bout with the flu. I remember it because I decided to leave work because I felt so shitty and got a speeding ticket on the way home that was so over the limit, I had to go to night court and ask the prosecutor to ramp it down so I could take defensive driving to get rid of it.

It was friggen horrible, and I was in my 20'a and healthy. I can imagine getting hit with that now.

:ohnoes:

[snide]

276,979/330,000,000 = 0.00084, which is 0.084%.

276,979 out of 330,000,000 is not 3%. Stick to hanging drywall.

but if we could save just one life, it would be worth it.

:yawn:

[Murray]

276,979/330,000,000 = 0.00084, which is 0.084%.

276,979 out of 330,000,000 is not 3%. Stick to hanging drywall.

Holy f’k

You .....”your chances of dying with it are .07%”

Does the above statement not assume you have the virus then?

And yet you use total population:rofl:

Was there something wrong with total cases against recovered vs dead??

Those are the odds if you get it, not .07%

[Steve_R]

Holy f’k

You .....”your chances of dying with it are .07%”

Does the above statement not assume you have the virus then?

And yet you use total population:rofl:

Was there something wrong with total cases against recovered vs dead??

Those are the odds if you get it, not .07%


The odds right now of dying from COVID in the U.S. is 0.08%. Period. Math is hard.

[Murray]

The odds right now of dying from COVID in the U.S. is 0.08%. Period. Math is hard.

Then your statement was wrong. Got it :cheers:

[Murray]

And your math assumes number of deaths stops.....as of now. That’d be wrong too

[Steve_R]

And your math assumes number of deaths stops.....as of now. That’d be wrong too

Good God man, how about this: The odds of dying from COVID so far in 2020 in the U.S. is approximately 0.07%. Yeah, it may go up a bit month over month, or it may go down a bit, but with the impending vaccines it's more likely to go down than up.

Is that okay with you?

[FLEXjs]

but if we could save just one life, it would be worth it.

Savings lives is a fallacy. It's impossible. Everyone dies.

PROLONGING LIVES would be more accurate.

But we all do risky things every damn day; every time you get in a car, on a plane, play a sport, swim in the ocean, engage in just about any activity, drink alcohol, use recreational drugs, even having sex, you are taking some level of risk.

But we take reasonable steps/precautions/actions to mitigate risks, such as wearing seatbelts, protective gear when we play sports, wearing condoms, etc.

This seems to be the first time in history I am aware of that we just disregarded the whole "reasonable" aspect and are doing literally everything and anything we can think of to mitigate the risks, no matter how illogical it may be, or how ineffective it may be and without considering or giving due merit to the consequences of those measures.

And in addition to the infinitely fearful and ridiculously risk averse that are in favor of all of that (mostly due to misinformation spewed by the mainstream media), there are people profiting from the situation both financially and politically, which leads critical thinkers to question everything.

Yet when anyone raises questions, they are silenced or labelled as a 'conspiracy theorist'.

If this whole thing doesn't scare you just a little bit, you're either one of the people profiting from it, or one of the people being spoon-fed a pile of lies in order to control you and believing them.

Yours Truly,

Mildly scared critical thinker FLEX :kimblair:

[Olustee bus]

Sea Six - how are you doing now?

[Steve_R]

Savings lives is a fallacy. It's impossible. Everyone dies.

PROLONGING LIVES would be more accurate.

But we all do risky things every damn day; every time you get in a car, on a plane, play a sport, swim in the ocean, engage in just about any activity, drink alcohol, use recreational drugs, even having sex, you are taking some level of risk.

But we take reasonable steps/precautions/actions to mitigate risks, such as wearing seatbelts, protective gear when we play sports, wearing condoms, etc.

This seems to be the first time in history I am aware of that we just disregarded the whole "reasonable" aspect and are doing literally everything and anything we can think of to mitigate the risks, no matter how illogical it may be, or how ineffective it may be and without considering or giving due merit to the consequences of those measures.

And in addition to the infinitely fearful and ridiculously risk averse that are in favor of all of that (mostly due to misinformation spewed by the mainstream media), there are people profiting from the situation both financially and politically, which leads critical thinkers to question everything.

Yet when anyone raises questions, they are silenced or labelled as a 'conspiracy theorist'.

If this whole thing doesn't scare you just a little bit, you're either one of the people profiting from it, or one of the people being spoon-fed a pile of lies in order to control you and believing them.

Yours Truly,

Mildly scared critical thinker FLEX :kimblair:


Well said. :clap:

In my profession we've had a concept about evaluating measures to reduce radiation exposure to "save lives" that's been in use for decades; ALARA, or As Low As Reasonably Achievable. ALARA evaluates how reasonable something is based on cost, benefit, etc. Over the past couple of years I've seen a trend towards ALAP, or As Low As Possible, where reasonable has nothing to do with it. So, if we spend a billion dollars to "save" one life, it's not ALARA but under ALAP we'd spend that money - which could be much better spend elsewhere to save a lot more lives.

We can't get rid of all risk, nor should we try to.

[Little Red L98.]

I've been on a bunch of those, way overrated. The view going through the Suez is nice though. Full moons on the ocean are spectacular if you can get past the cruise missile launches.

How was the gay sex? Asking for that one guy.

[Sea Six]

Sea Six - how are you doing now?

I'm hanging in there

[JetMechZ16]

How was the gay sex? Asking for that one guy.

I didn't partake, but you'd probably enjoy it. :D

[Little Red L98.]

I didn't partake, but you'd probably enjoy it. :D

Aw crap, have I been that one guy all along? :willy:

[FLEXjs]

We can't get rid of all risk, nor should we try to.

Until it's Safe Means Never

Fireside Chat Ep. 132 — "Until It's Safe" Means Never - YouTube

[Murray]

Good God man, how about this: The odds of dying from COVID so far in 2020 in the U.S. is approximately 0.07%. Yeah, it may go up a bit month over month, or it may go down a bit, but with the impending vaccines it's more likely to go down than up.

Is that okay with you?

That’s correct :thumbs:

It was bound to happen eventually:hugs:

[Anjdog2003]

So let me AXE you. With the homeless in these tent cities that haven't had a bath in 10-20 years, sleep right on top of each other not wearing any mask. Terrible diets, doing drugs and alcohol daily making their resistance very low. How come they aren't dying of it. Why aren't we hearing about all these tent cities of homeless people dropping like fly's?????

[Steve_R]

So let me AXE you. With the homeless in these tent cities that haven't had a bath in 10-20 years, sleep right on top of each other not wearing any mask. Terrible diets, doing drugs and alcohol daily making their resistance very low. How come they aren't dying of it. Why aren't we hearing about all these tent cities of homeless people dropping like fly's?????


Shut up or Dr. Fauci will tell us we should all move into tents and become addicts. You know, for our safety.

[snide]

Shut up or Dr. Fauci will tell us we should all move into tents and become addicts. You know, for our safety.

...if it will save just one life...

[Bill]

Shut up or Dr. Fauci will tell us we should all move into tents and become addicts. You know, for our safety.

Apparently, meth provides immunity from Covid-19.

[Sea Six]

*flies

[Bill]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/sZ1QzPWD.png

[Rodnok1]

Two guys I previously worked with mom's died yesterday from kung flu, no underlying conditions in early 60s. They both went quickly.

[Murray]

Two guys I previously worked with mom's died yesterday from kung flu, no underlying conditions in early 60s. They both went quickly.

[Half the Vet Barn] it’s just a flu [Half the Vet Barn]

Sorry to hear :sadangel:

[dvarapala]

My company has been mostly WFH since March. During all that time we only had one employee test positive for COVID, and that person had not been in the office for weeks prior so nobody was exposed. Suddenly since last week we've had 4 employees (so far) who have been exposed and are under quarantine. :willy:

[Aerovette]

I do not post inane bullshit. I post meaningless drivel.



My most sincere apologies. I did not mean to lump you in with the rest. :D



EVERYONE that is sick - GET WELL !!

EVERYONE that is healthy - STAY THAT WAY !!

[Aerovette]

My company has been mostly WFH since March. During all that time we only had one employee test positive for COVID, and that person had not been in the office for weeks prior so nobody was exposed. Suddenly since last week we've had 4 employees (so far) who have been exposed and are under quarantine. :willy:

Wearing masks will do that. F'real.

Happened at my office.

[Anjdog2003]

[Half the Vet Barn] it’s just a flu [Half the Vet Barn]

Sorry to hear :sadangel:



So let's lock down all the businesses in the world. :yesnod:

[Murray]

So let's lock down all the businesses in the world. :yesnod:

People are working from home. I can order from any restaurant in the city. Massage, teeth cleaning, construction, on line gym workouts, I have cable, hydro and water. Cell still works.

Truck drivers are still driving. Airplanes flying. I’m okay with being at home... I like it here. It’s where I am regardless of a virus :thumbs:

[Bill]

People are working from home. I can order from any restaurant in the city. Massage, teeth cleaning, construction, on line gym workouts, I have cable, hydro and water. Cell still works.

Truck drivers are still driving. Airplanes flying. I’m okay with being at home... I like it here. It’s where I am regardless of a virus :thumbs:

Pics of masseuse?

[Hardluck]

That’s correct :thumbs:

It was bound to happen eventually:hugs:

You two need to get a room and reach around it out!:yesnod:

[m and t's77]

Doing better today only woke up once in a pool of sweat.No bad shakes and slept most of the day away.

[Murray]

Doing better today only woke up once in a pool of sweat.No bad shakes and slept most of the day away.

Hope it only gets better :cheers:

[z06psi]

My company has been mostly WFH since March. During all that time we only had one employee test positive for COVID, and that person had not been in the office for weeks prior so nobody was exposed. Suddenly since last week we've had 4 employees (so far) who have been exposed and are under quarantine. :willy:Icnwt

[Raazor]

People are working from home. I can order from any restaurant in the city. Massage, teeth cleaning, construction, on line gym workouts, I have cable, hydro and water. Cell still works.

Truck drivers are still driving. Airplanes flying. I’m okay with being at home... I like it here. It’s where I am regardless of a virus :thumbs:

How do trucks deliver and airplanes fly with people working from home? :kick:

:rofl::rofl:

[Anjdog2003]

MurraT; I'am giving everyone a Mask and a can of Lysol for Christmas. Also a book i wrote. "Ten ways of outsmarting the Covid19"

[Sea Six]

Doing better today only woke up once in a pool of sweat.No bad shakes and slept most of the day away.

I am feeling weaker every day. Blood Oxygen is 93-94 pretty steady. My brain is so foggy I can hardly do anything that requires thought. It's difficult to do anything as simple as paying bills.

[Murray]

How do trucks deliver and airplanes fly with people working from home? :kick:

:rofl::rofl:

Tesla

[Rodnok1]

I am feeling weaker every day. Blood Oxygen is 93-94 pretty steady. My brain is so foggy I can hardly do anything that requires thought. It's difficult to do anything as simple as paying bills.Damn Six hope you get feeling better soon man.

[Aerovette]

I am feeling weaker every day. Blood Oxygen is 93-94 pretty steady. My brain is so foggy I can hardly do anything that requires thought. It's difficult to do anything as simple as paying bills.

I don't think anyone has to tell you these are serious (read "hospital grade") issues if they don't start to resolve soon. The brain fog is like being drunk from a steady state of reduced oxygen. :(

We're concerned brother.

[Aerovette]

MurraT; I'am giving everyone a Mask and a can of Lysol for Christmas. Also a book i wrote. "Ten ways of outsmarting the Covid19"

10. Hide under the bed
9. Only exhale
8. Attend as many protests as possible
7. Vote Dem
6. Do everything Fauci says
5. Wear three masks - One for you, one for people you may encounter, and one for the country. It's not just safe. It's Patriotic ~J. Biden
4. Substitute cologne with Lysol
3. Eat with your mask on
2. Walk really fast when shopping
1. Switch from Hookers to Escorts (they deliver to your home)

[dwjz06]

I have Covid pneumonia.


:banghead:I hope you are getting better Clark:cert:

[Little Red L98.]

10. Hide under the bed
9. Only exhale
8. Attend as many protests as possible
7. Vote Dem
6. Do everything Fauci says
5. Wear three masks - One for you, one for people you may encounter, and one for the country. It's not just safe. It's Patriotic ~J. Biden
4. Substitute cologne with Lysol
3. Eat with your mask on
2. Walk really fast when shopping
1. Switch from Hookers to Escorts (they deliver to your home)

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Thnaks for the guidelines. I was just winging it.

For America. For the kids. :patriot:

[MikeB]

I am feeling weaker every day. Blood Oxygen is 93-94 pretty steady. My brain is so foggy I can hardly do anything that requires thought. It's difficult to do anything as simple as paying bills.

May be time to check in at the Emergency room bud.
Don't screw around with the Pneumonia. It can be fatal.

Having low oxygen levels for 40+ days now, I only require
external oxygen while active and during sleep.
While relaxing, my oxygen levels are in the low to mid 90s.
Last night was the first night in those 40+ days that my sinuses
didn't plug up as soon as I laid on my stomach in bed.
I hope this is a sign that I'm starting to come out of this crap.

[Hardluck]

May be time to check in at the Emergency room bud.
Don't screw around with the Pneumonia. It can be fatal.

Having low oxygen levels for 40+ days now, I only require
external oxygen while active and during sleep.
While relaxing, my oxygen levels are in the low to mid 90s.
Last night was the first night in those 40+ days that my sinuses
didn't plug up as soon as I laid on my stomach in bed.
I hope this is a sign that I'm starting to come out of this crap.

Hope you and Seasix get better soon!:seasix:

[Little Red L98.]

Hope you and Seasix get better soon!:seasix:

This. :angel:

[Bill]

Hope you and Seasix get better soon!:seasix:

This. :angel:

:iagree:

[MikeB]

Hope you and Seasix get better soon!:seasix:


:iagree:


This.:angel:

Thanks guys.
I feel good enough to go back to work next week.
Co. I work for offered work from home, but it's not
too realistic, as I need to access paper contracts at work
which cannot be removed due to pending pick-up status, etc(long story).

So, I'll start with a 2 to 4 hour work day, and see how it goes.
I have portable oxygen canisters that last 4-6 hours apiece.

[dwjz06]

Hope you and Seasix get better soon!:seasix::iagree:

Thanks guys.
I feel good enough to go back to work next week.
Co. I work for offered work from home, but it's not
too realistic, as I need to access paper contracts at work
which cannot be removed due to pending pick-up status, etc(long story).

So, I'll start with a 2 to 4 hour work day, and see how it goes.
I have portable oxygen canisters that last 4-6 hours apiece.Good luck on the getting back to work thing. Don't over do it.:cert:

[LisaJohn]

I am feeling weaker every day. Blood Oxygen is 93-94 pretty steady. My brain is so foggy I can hardly do anything that requires thought. It's difficult to do anything as simple as paying bills.

I agree with the others. You probably should get to the ER.
Mrs. Millennium

[Sea Six]

Strictly based on blood oxygen level, ER would turn me away if it's 90 or above.

95 and up is normal. 93-94 is pretty close.

And with no insurance, I'm not going to start racking up $5,000 a day or whatever they are charging. I'm in nearly daily contact with my doctor's nurse, and she's reporting all the info I give to him. I'm in good care as it is.

[Anjdog2003]

10. Hide under the bed
9. Only exhale
8. Attend as many protests as possible
7. Vote Dem
6. Do everything Fauci says
5. Wear three masks - One for you, one for people you may encounter, and one for the country. It's not just safe. It's Patriotic ~J. Biden
4. Substitute cologne with Lysol
3. Eat with your mask on
2. Walk really fast when shopping
1. Switch from Hookers to Escorts (they deliver to your home)





You read my book :cool1:

[Bill]

Strictly based on blood oxygen level, ER would turn me away if it's 90 or above.

95 and up is normal. 93-94 is pretty close.

And with no insurance, I'm not going to start racking up $5,000 a day or whatever they are charging. I'm in nearly daily contact with my doctor's nurse, and she's reporting all the info I give to him. I'm in good care as it is.

You can run up waaaaay more than $ 5K in a few HOURS at an ER, and that's if you don't get admitted.

[Sea Six]

You can run up waaaaay more than $ 5K in a few HOURS at an ER, and that's if you don't get admitted.

:iagree:

From what I've gathered based on speaking with CV patients firsthand, chronic fatigue after the Covid is over with is very common. So what I'm experiencing is just par for the course.

Absent any imminent threat to my existence, I'm content to simply monitoring my vital signs and chilling out at the homestead.

And grilling out at the homestead.

[Sea Six]

You can run up waaaaay more than $ 5K in a few HOURS at an ER, and that's if you don't get admitted.

dam skrate [mrvette]

[Bill]

:iagree:

From what I've gathered based on speaking with CV patients firsthand, chronic fatigue after the Covid is over with is very common. So what I'm experiencing is just par for the course.

Absent any imminent threat to my existence, I'm content to simply monitoring my vital signs and chilling out at the homestead.

And grilling out at the homestead.

Molly better be getting plenty of steaks, having to take care of you during this time.

[Little Red L98.]

First day out literally in a week...for a beer run. :D Not that I’m hiding or anything, I’m just blessed that I can work from home and have everything I need in my humble abode. So I go to a convenience store because it’s, uh, convenient. Taekwondo mom and karate kid have like 20 items plus a MTO sammich. No mask for mom and Daniel-san wearing his below his nose. WTF. I wait til they leave, go in, get my chit and go to the checkout and maskless Billy Gibbons comes up behind me to buy his chit. Signs everywhere - wear a GD mask. People are stupid/inconsiderate/a-holes or all of the above. Fk that place. Plenty of reason right here in this thread to mask up when you’re s’posed to. Idiots are everywhere.

[Murray]

First day out literally in a week...for a beer run. :D Not that I’m hiding or anything, I’m just blessed that I can work from home and have everything I need in my humble abode. So I go to a convenience store because it’s, uh, convenient. Taekwondo mom and karate kid have like 20 items plus a MTO sammich. No mask for mom and Daniel-san wearing his below his nose. WTF. I wait til they leave, go in, get my chit and go to the checkout and maskless Billy Gibbons comes up behind me to buy his chit. Signs everywhere - wear a GD mask. People are stupid/inconsiderate/a-holes or all of the above. Fk that place. Plenty of reason right here in this thread to mask up when you’re s’posed to. Idiots are everywhere.

[Aerovette] the mask caused me to get it [Aerovette]

[Anjdog2003]

First day out literally in a week...for a beer run. :D Not that I’m hiding or anything, I’m just blessed that I can work from home and have everything I need in my humble abode. So I go to a convenience store because it’s, uh, convenient. Taekwondo mom and karate kid have like 20 items plus a MTO sammich. No mask for mom and Daniel-san wearing his below his nose. WTF. I wait til they leave, go in, get my chit and go to the checkout and maskless Billy Gibbons comes up behind me to buy his chit. Signs everywhere - wear a GD mask. People are stupid/inconsiderate/a-holes or all of the above. Fk that place. Plenty of reason right here in this thread to mask up when you’re s’posed to. Idiots are everywhere.





MurraT and Phreds agreeing forum-------------------------->

[Cool 50th AE]

Hope I don’t get the Rona.
I cancelled my disability insurance recently that I have been paying for the last 20 years.

$4000 a year down the drain for nothing.

[Little Red L98.]

MurraT and Phreds agreeing forum-------------------------->

No more convenience stores for me. Too many DGAS about anything or anyone but themself riff raff mofos. Must suck to work there to put up with that chit, especially for the wages.

There’s a Hard Times Chili place nearby, like the one I mentioned to flexo. Biker bar. Don’t even think about going in there without a mask cuz they’ll run your ass off. Ate there last week. Dine in. Wore a mask in, took it off at the table, put it on to take a leak. BFD. I guess it’s kinda dumb but I ain’t sick.

[dvarapala]

First day out literally in a week...for a beer run. :D Not that I’m hiding or anything, I’m just blessed that I can work from home and have everything I need in my humble abode. So I go to a convenience store because it’s, uh, convenient. Taekwondo mom and karate kid have like 20 items plus a MTO sammich. No mask for mom and Daniel-san wearing his below his nose. WTF. I wait til they leave, go in, get my chit and go to the checkout and maskless Billy Gibbons comes up behind me to buy his chit. Signs everywhere - wear a GD mask. People are stupid/inconsiderate/a-holes or all of the above. Fk that place. Plenty of reason right here in this thread to mask up when you’re s’posed to. Idiots are everywhere.

Go crawl back into your basement ya *****.

[Steve_R]

No more convenience stores for me. Too many DGAS about anything or anyone but themself riff raff mofos. Must suck to work there to put up with that chit, especially for the wages.

There’s a Hard Times Chili place nearby, like the one I mentioned to flexo. Biker bar. Don’t even think about going in there without a mask cuz they’ll run your ass off. Ate there last week. Dine in. Wore a mask in, took it off at the table, put it on to take a leak. BFD. I guess it’s kinda dumb but I ain’t sick.

Mark, haven’t you been listening to the “experts?” Masks protect everyone else, not the person wearing it. :slap:

Dvap says you should hide in your basement like he’s doing until the gubmint says it’s safe to rejoin society.

[Little Red L98.]

Mark, haven’t you been listening to the “experts?” Masks protect everyone else, not the person wearing it. :slap:

I got it. I don’t want to be around maskless Billy Gibbons, taekwondo mom, Daniel-san, or any other unclean heathen during this BS. And I will get the vaccine at my first opportunity.

[Steve_R]

I got it. I don’t want to be around maskless Billy Gibbons, taekwondo mom, Daniel-san, or any other unclean heathen during this BS. And I will get the vaccine at my first opportunity.

I know that way less than 1 in 100 people have it at any one time so I live my life and don’t worry about it. Haven’t decided on the vaccine yet.

There are some disgusting people in convenience stores and Walmart, neither of which I go to.

[Anjdog2003]

I got it. I don’t want to be around maskless Billy Gibbons, taekwondo mom, Daniel-san, or any other unclean heathen during this BS. And I will get the vaccine at my first opportunity.




I heard people 5 ft and shorter have a greater percentage of not getting the virus. :yesnod:

[Steve_R]

I heard people 5 ft and shorter have a greater percentage of not getting the virus. :yesnod:

Gotta be true, cuz once you sit down in a restaurant there’s no virus and it’s safe for everyone to go maskless. Stand up and your head is back in virus space so put that damn mask on.

[Cool 50th AE]

I heard people 5 ft and shorter have a greater percentage of not getting the virus. :yesnod:

And they miss all the great rides at amusement parks.

[Little Red L98.]

I know that way less than 1 in 100 people have it at any one time so I live my life and don’t worry about it. Haven’t decided on the vaccine yet.

There are some disgusting people in convenience stores and Walmart, neither of which I go to.

You have the freedom of not working full time. I work, I do stuff at home and with my fam and we like to go out once in a while and still can and do. I strolled Marye’s Heights for the first time ever last weekend. It was a pretty amazing experience. But it’s open and people aren’t jammed in and breathing on each other and touching everything. Gross. That could make you sick. You could die even. Chances may be small but there’s no denying it’s happening whatever numbers you look at. Yes, people die from car crashes and influenza and cancer and old age. To me at least this is different. Maybe I drank the kool aid. So what. I don’t mind taking what I consider to be reasonable precautions, like wearing a seatbelt, if it just might save my life, like a seatbelt.

Also I recognize the impact on the economy. I don’t have those answers. That’s above my pay grade.


I heard people 5 ft and shorter have a greater percentage of not getting the virus. :yesnod:

Also people with dry ear wax. :hurray:

[Anjdog2003]

And they miss all the great rides at amusement parks.





[Little Red L98]And it sucks :([/Little Red L98]

[Little Red L98.]

And they miss all the great rides at amusement parks.

We had been doing an annual Hershey park trip. But nooo, not this year. :rubbish:

[Little Red L98]And it sucks :([/Little Red L98]

:withstupid:

[m and t's77]

dam skrate [mrvette]

Silly question but I may have missed it but you're on meds for the pneumonia,right?No way you should be trying to ride this out.

[Sea Six]

Silly question but I may have missed it but you're on meds for the pneumonia,right?No way you should be trying to ride this out.

Yes I'm on a second antibiotic for it

[m and t's77]

Good to hear.:hurray:

[Rodnok1]

So 5000 have died from covid this year in NC, to be fair number I'm sure is lower so for you fuktards that argue about it lets say 2500(more like 3500 I'd say). The total flu deaths for last 10 years was 1500 total. So yea this kung flu is exactly like the flu and we shouldn't take any precautions or be concerned for our families as nobody dies from it anymore than the regular flu.
In 120 months 1500k died, in 9 months 2500k plus have died.
Numbers don't lie.

[Earthquake Driver]

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[JetMechZ16]

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There are a lot deadlier viruses out there than the Wu Flu.

49704

[Murray]

So 5000 have died from covid this year in NC, to be fair number I'm sure is lower so for you fuktards that argue about it lets say 2500(more like 3500 I'd say). The total flu deaths for last 10 years was 1500 total. So yea this kung flu is exactly like the flu and we shouldn't take any precautions or be concerned for our families as nobody dies from it anymore than the regular flu.
In 120 months 1500k died, in 9 months 2500k plus have died.
Numbers don't lie.

[SteveR ] I only believe numbers when I post them [SteveR]

[Little Red L98.]

There are a lot deadlier viruses out there than the Wu Flu.

49704

Have you recovered from that anal fistula yet? :angel:

[JetMechZ16]

Have you recovered from that anal fistula yet? :angel:

You still got shit under your fingernails? :D

[Steve_R]

So 5000 have died from covid this year in NC, to be fair number I'm sure is lower so for you fuktards that argue about it lets say 2500(more like 3500 I'd say). The total flu deaths for last 10 years was 1500 total. So yea this kung flu is exactly like the flu and we shouldn't take any precautions or be concerned for our families as nobody dies from it anymore than the regular flu.
In 120 months 1500k died, in 9 months 2500k plus have died.
Numbers don't lie.


Take away everyone's rights, lock everything down and destroy the economy because some people are scared.

[Murray]

Take away everyone's rights, lock everything down and destroy the economy because some people are scared.

More hyperbole :rofl:

[Rodnok1]

Take away everyone's rights, lock everything down and destroy the economy because some people are scared. You do realize you are both wrong.....

So at what death count does it become okay to have mask mandates and restrictions on stuff?
You're apparently the smartest guy here so number up. 10k, 20k, 50k.

Or do you just not give a shit who dies as long not someone close to you. Just asking for clarity. Oh that's right only been old people who were gonna die anyway have died, I'm sure they're thrilled to die early because people are stupid and have taken little precautions.

So those of you who may/have gotten the kung flu and ignored any warnings or took zero precautions will you feel guilty when you give to or kill someone else?

[Murray]

You do realize you are both wrong.....

So at what death count does it become okay to have mask mandates and restrictions on stuff?
You're apparently the smartest guy here so number up. 10k, 20k, 50k.

Or do you just not give a shit who dies as long not someone close to you. Just asking for clarity. Oh that's right only been old people who were gonna die anyway have died, I'm sure they're thrilled to die early because people are stupid and have taken little precautions.

So those of you who may/have gotten the kung flu and ignored any warnings or took zero precautions will you feel guilty when you give to or kill someone else?

I’m okay with the way he is. It’s better this than “why didn’t they do more? Everyone I know is dead”

I look at it this way. If you’re having 8 people for dinner but possibly 12, do you prepare enough food for 8....or 12.

Erring on the side of caution is never a bad thing.

[Steve_R]

You do realize you are both wrong.....

So at what death count does it become okay to have mask mandates and restrictions on stuff?
You're apparently the smartest guy here so number up. 10k, 20k, 50k.

Or do you just not give a shit who dies as long not someone close to you. Just asking for clarity. Oh that's right only been old people who were gonna die anyway have died, I'm sure they're thrilled to die early because people are stupid and have taken little precautions.

So those of you who may/have gotten the kung flu and ignored any warnings or took zero precautions will you feel guilty when you give to or kill someone else?

At what count do we do what we've always done and tell vulnerable people to stay home, instead of telling everyone over the age of 2 to wear masks? At what count is it worth bankrupting thousands of businesses, putting millions of people out of work and denying basic medical care to millions of people? At what count is it acceptable to close schools and deny children a year (at least so far) an education?

Look, I don't really give a shit about masks. I wear one when it's required. I DO care about those other things. As unsavory as it sounds, society must put a value on a human life because we don't have unlimited amounts of money. So far the response in the U.S. has cost trillions of dollars, and it's still going. "It's worth it if it saves one life" is one of the most idiotic things anybody can possibly say.

What about the additional 10,000 to 30,000 people in the U.S. who will die from cancer because they were denied treatment due to COVID? Is that okay too?

Last year about 2.9 million people died in the U.S. This year about 2.9 million people will die. We've destroyed businesses and peoples' lives and spent trillions of dollars to reduce the total death count by ZERO. Does that make any sense at all?

Lots more people would have died without the restrictions. I believe that but don't have any facts or evidence to back it up.

[Steve_R]

Erring on the side of caution is never a bad thing.

Think about that statement a little bit, and let us know if you really believe it. I suspect you don't because if you did you wouldn't have much of a life.

If you really do believe it, I'm sure you never drive over 5 kph, because that errs on the side of safety, right?

Wait, what, you don't always err on the side of safety but everybody else should? Huh, imagine that.

[Nox]

Erring on the side of caution is never a bad thing.

It can be when the cure is worse than the disease. If you were the owner of a restaurant or gym in an affected area, you might rethink this. Either that, or you’d rather lose your life savings and your livelihood on the infinitesimal chance you *might* die.

I’d take my chances with Covid.

[Bill]

Think about that statement a little bit, and let us know if you really believe it. I suspect you don't because if you did you wouldn't have much of a life.

If you really do believe it, I'm sure you never drive over 5 kph, because that errs on the side of safety, right?

Wait, what, you don't always err on the side of safety but everybody else should? Huh, imagine that.


So that's like what? Being at a complete stop, transmission in park, here in America?

[Steve_R]

So that's like what? Being at a complete stop, transmission in park, here in America?


I think it's actually crawling very slowly backwards. Can't be too safe. :yesnod:

[Rodnok1]

. At what count do we do what we've always done and tell vulnerable people to stay home, instead of telling everyone over the age of 2 to wear masks? At what count is it worth bankrupting thousands of businesses, putting millions of people out of work and denying basic medical care to millions of people? At what count is it acceptable to close schools and deny children a year (at least so far) an education?

Look, I don't really give a shit about masks. I wear one when it's required. I DO care about those other things. As unsavory as it sounds, society must put a value on a human life because we don't have unlimited amounts of money. So far the response in the U.S. has cost trillions of dollars, and it's still going. "It's worth it if it saves one life" is one of the most idiotic things anybody can possibly say.

What about the additional 10,000 to 30,000 people in the U.S. who will die from cancer because they were denied treatment due to COVID? Is that okay too?

Last year about 2.9 million people died in the U.S. This year about 2.9 million people will die. We've destroyed businesses and peoples' lives and spent trillions of dollars to reduce the total death count by ZERO. Does that make any sense at all?

Lots more people would have died without the restrictions. I believe that but don't have any facts or evidence to back it up. Alot of shit govt has done it bullshit but lets remember we voted the fuktards into office.... Or someone did.

So 2.9 million died, ok so give me a number of people who would have died if nothing at all was done? Can't can you... So let's say a 10% increase. Was that an acceptable number to keep everything open? What exactly is the dollar amount per death we will accept. Yes every person has a dollar number and we all know it. You're comparing apples in oranges IMO to include everything.
How many kids didn't get hit and killed walking to school/waiting for the bus, how many wives stabbed their husbands to death, etc.
It's a fine line and nobody really knows what the fuk to do to balance livelihoods and keep risks down.

Here's the real problem , no way we were prepared for this virus and no way could we put a proper mask on every citizen that needed it. Stop gap /best we could do was a general mask. Ask an Army guy if he'd ever been sent in unprepared.
So should we have produced a zillion n95 masks and been major dicks about enforcement. Yea that would have went over well and the govt a bunch of pussies so they wouldn't enforce it anyway.
I feel for the small businesses, I bitched more than most over the draconian shutdowns, but people are fukin stupid let's face it.
So you say survival of the fittest should rule the land, well unfortunately small businesses are going to shutter and not come back. So some people are going to live and some businesses are going to shut down, but they'll live and hopefully find a new path and prosper.
If people don't think extensive restrictions and shutdowns are not in the near future they may be wrong...

[Bill]

. Alot of shit govt has done it bullshit but lets remember we voted the fuktards into office.... Or someone did.

So 2.9 million died, ok so give me a number of people who would have died if nothing at all was done? Can't can you... So let's say a 10% increase. Was that an acceptable number to keep everything open? What exactly is the dollar amount per death we will accept. Yes every person has a dollar number and we all know it. You're comparing apples in oranges IMO to include everything.
How many kids didn't get hit and killed walking to school/waiting for the bus, how many wives stabbed their husbands to death, etc.
It's a fine line and nobody really knows what the fuk to do to balance livelihoods and keep risks down.

Here's the real problem , no way we were prepared for this virus and no way could we put a proper mask on every citizen that needed it. Stop gap /best we could do was a general mask. Ask an Army guy if he'd ever been sent in unprepared.
So should we have produced a zillion n95 masks and been major dicks about enforcement. Yea that would have went over well and the govt a bunch of pussies so they wouldn't enforce it anyway.
I feel for the small businesses, I bitched more than most over the draconian shutdowns, but people are fukin stupid let's face it.
So you say survival of the fittest should rule the land, well unfortunately small businesses are going to shutter and not come back. So some people are going to live and some businesses are going to shut down, but they'll live and hopefully find a new path and prosper.
If people don't think extensive restrictions and shutdowns are not in the near future they may be wrong...

What we are learning is, it was Dominion Voting Systems employees and DNC operatives that voted ****tards into office.

[Steve_R]

So 2.9 million died, ok so give me a number of people who would have died if nothing at all was done? Can't can you... So let's say a 10% increase. Was that an acceptable number to keep everything open? What exactly is the dollar amount per death we will accept. Yes every person has a dollar number and we all know it.

I'm not talking about the value of a life to any one person. I'm talking about the value of a life to a society (or country) as a whole, which is actually very common when regulations are developed. The Journal of the American Medical Association (that's a pretty objective source) said in mid-October that the virus has cost the U.S. economy $16 trillion. That's $16,000,000,000,000 and it's still going up fast. Here's the link to their study. (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771764#:~:text=The%20estimated%20cumulative%20financial%20costs,domestic%20product%20of%20the%20US.) From the paper: Although putting a value on a given human life is impossible, economists have developed the technique of valuing “statistical lives”; that is, measuring how much it is worth to people to reduce their risk of mortality or morbidity. This approach has been used as a standard in US regulatory policy and in discussions of global health policy.

There is a lengthy economic literature assessing the value of a statistical life; for example, in environmental and health regulation. Although no single number is universally accepted, ranges are often used. In environmental and health policy, for example, a statistical life is assumed to be worth $10 million.

With less than 300,000 deaths so far, we've spent over $53 million on each of those. That is insanity.

[Little Red L98.]

I went to an actual grocery store, instead of the riff raff convenience store, and a state-run liquor store. 100% masks, hand sanitizer, and disinfectant wipes at the handy. There is the occasional non-wearing maskhole at the grocer, but waaaay better than Shitz, I mean Sheetz. You ain’t gettin your booze if you don’t have a mask at the ABC. Maybe they’ll provide one. I don’t know. I keep two in the truck.

[The_Dude]

I'm going to be forced to go out too. No beer or booze in the house.

[Murray]

It can be when the cure is worse than the disease. If you were the owner of a restaurant or gym in an affected area, you might rethink this. Either that, or you’d rather lose your life savings and your livelihood on the infinitesimal chance you *might* die.

I’d take my chances with Covid.

Government is helping virtually everyone effected by it.

And based on wait times, restaurants are busier now than they’ve ever been

[z06psi]

I'm not talking about the value of a life to any one person. I'm talking about the value of a life to a society (or country) as a whole, which is actually very common when regulations are developed. The Journal of the American Medical Association (that's a pretty objective source) said in mid-October that the virus has cost the U.S. economy $16 trillion. That's $16,000,000,000,000 and it's still going up fast. Here's the link to their study. (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771764#:~:text=The%20estimated%20cumulative%20financial%20costs,domestic%20product%20of%20the%20US.) From the paper:

With less than 300,000 deaths so far, we've spent over $53 million on each of those. That is insanity.

250k more will die this month.

[Nox]

Government is helping virtually everyone effected by it.

And based on wait times, restaurants are busier now than they’ve ever been

You believe this? It’s utter B.S.

[Murray]

You believe this? It’s utter B.S.

Believe what? Wait times or gov help?

[Nox]

Believe what? Wait times or gov help?

I don’t know where you live, but here in Los Angeles, restaurants are going out of business permanently left and right. Some had been my favorite places. Others are closing one or two days a week, and when I go to pick up food, they say they are struggling. We don’t have dine in and most recently, we don’t even have outdoor seating, and these places are NOT being helped. They are going under.

Secondly, I have a spoken to a lot of people laid off and out of work and they tell me they haven’t gotten shit from their employers. Their employers may be getting money, but they are using it to pay rent and such while their employee’s get laid off.

So I don’t have any idea where you get the idea that restaurants are busier now than ever, or that the Government is helping those out of work.

It’s all Bullshit.