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boracayjohnny
05-09-2020, 8:59pm
http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/articles/4208-what-happens-when-you-cancel-rent-mortgages-and-debt

In Ancient Greece around 600 BC the commoners had fallen into heavy debt.

First they mortgaged their land, and delivered the majority of their crops to the lender.

But after a bad harvest, the farmers needed to borrow more in order to afford another planting.

With nothing left they used their freedom, and the freedom of their family as collateral.

Many were sold into debt slavery after defaulting on this second loan.

That’s when a poor aristocrat, Solon, was elected ruler by appealing to both the landowners and the heavily indebted commoners.

He canceled the commoners’ debts and ended debt slavery.

The commoners were free of their debts and servitude. But they still needed to eat.

Suddenly they had no one to loan them money to plant crops. And the wealthy didn’t have the labor to make full use of their farmland.

Greece was hit with food shortages. Any resources the commoners may have saved on their debts had to be poured back into feeding their hungry family.

Meanwhile, many of the wealthy became poor– except for Solon’s friends who he told about the debt cancellation in advance so they could seize the best lands before it happened.

Debt cancellation didn’t make the commoners more wealthy, it just made the wealthy poorer, and everyone hungry.

It was the type of lose/ lose deal the Bolsheviks call for today.

Already the federal government has instructed the Department of Housing and Urban Development, as well as Fannie and Freddie loans, that no one will be evicted or foreclosed on during this crisis.

New York, California, and many other states and cities have followed suit, pausing evictions for the next two to three months.

It was the government in the first place who stopped most of these people from working, so it’s hard to place blame on the people who can’t pay rent.

But now a growing movement is calling for a rent strike.

These activists don’t just want a pause on evictions. They want Governors to invent the dictatorial power to simply forgive rent and utility payments for three months. Just erase them.

I mean why not, they have invented plenty of other powers during this emergency.

The Bolshevik attitude is, of course, that the evil rich landlords can afford to go without collecting rent for a few months.

That might be true in some cases. But even the biggest landlords have bills– like paying maintenance employees, sewer, water, and the mortgage.

And in other cases it will bankrupt the little guys, the landlords who are just starting out, or only have a few properties.

The Bolshevik solution is to simply go further. Rent strikers want the government to also force banks to forgive three months’ worth of mortgage payments for landlords.

In New York a bill is already in the works. But #RentStrike2020 is a national movement.

And now Congress has taken up the cause. Sovereign Man explains a bill in the works:

Congress is now considering the Rent and Mortgage Cancellation Act which would cancel all rent and mortgage payments for the duration of the pandemic, and possibly beyond for up to a year.

And the law would be retroactive, so they’d go back in time to March 13 to cancel rent.

The government would then set up a fund for landlords and mortgage holders “allowing them to recoup their losses, so long as they agree to abide by a set of fair renting and lending practices for a period of five years.”

Some of those conditions include not raising the rent for five years, and not denying renters based on credit history, or criminal record.

This is insane. First the government will tell landlords that the contracts they signed are void. And then, if someone wants to rent your property who has a history of not paying rent, you’re not allowed to reject them.

But as long as you bend the knee to DC, they’ll print the money to pay you.

This is extortion. Do you want your money? You gotta play by our rules.

And based on the amount of money being printed right now, a five-year freeze on rent could be catastrophic. Who knows what the dollar will be worth in five months, let alone five years.

This is the type of policy that destroys economies. It is something you would expect of Venezuela, not the “Land of the Free.”

We can’t simply wave a magic wand and get out of our debts. There will be, at some point, very real consequences.

For example, it doesn’t matter how many dollars are printed if enough food isn’t grown. But right now the supply of money is massively expanding while the supply of goods and services is shrinking.

But the government still thinks it can print it’s way to prosperity.

And we are just at the beginning of this. These will not be the last calls for debt forgiveness and canceled obligations.

The first $2.2 trillion bailout will take us out to about the beginning of summer. Then what?

After that it seems like the solution everyone has settled on is to abandon all sense of reason, and simply cede dictatorial power to the government to control the economy.

And we’ll ignore history and everything we know about economics to pretend the negative consequences won’t reverberate to every corner of the economy.

We can’t stop the asinine actions of our governments and peers.

But we can absolutely take control of our own situation, and rise up to rebuild when the government promises inevitably fall flat.

higgyburners
05-09-2020, 9:10pm
Did not read...here for the post count

boracayjohnny
05-09-2020, 9:11pm
Did not read...here for the post count

https://i.imgur.com/4VvSkbR.png

Steve_R
05-09-2020, 9:12pm
Cliffs?

boracayjohnny
05-09-2020, 9:13pm
Cliffs?

(Rosie Perez) Don't be stoopid, stoopid. (Rosie Perez)

99 pewtercoupe
05-09-2020, 9:14pm
Cliffs?

Razor cliffs...Mo free stuff

higgyburners
05-09-2020, 9:21pm
https://i.imgur.com/4VvSkbR.png

:rofl::rofl: Don't get me started Gilligan

boracayjohnny
05-09-2020, 9:27pm
:rofl::rofl: Don't get me started Gilligan

https://i.imgur.com/kI9AFtE.jpg

BOTY
05-09-2020, 9:28pm
https://i.imgur.com/kI9AFtE.jpg

I love that one. :rofl: :rofl:

boracayjohnny
05-09-2020, 9:29pm
https://i.imgur.com/LN5cSqf.jpg

Aerovette
05-09-2020, 10:07pm
I'm ready for 50 Independent states. Screw this "United" crap. We are anything but United.

dvarapala
05-09-2020, 10:31pm
qHkO6rtEGAc

BOTY
05-09-2020, 11:10pm
Stevie Wonder saw this coming.

dvarapala
05-09-2020, 11:51pm
I'm ready for 50 Independent states. Screw this "United" crap. We are anything but United.

The Untied States of America? :shrug:

Aerovette
05-10-2020, 12:08am
The Untied States of America? :shrug:

Independent of any Federal Government. Perhaps I should have said 50 independent countries.

boracayjohnny
05-10-2020, 12:41am
qHkO6rtEGAc

Oh goody, a third jubilee.

LilRedCorvette
05-10-2020, 1:27am
I'm ready for 50 Independent states. Screw this "United" crap. We are anything but United.

The Untied States of America? :shrug:

‘Divided States of America’ seems to be a more accurate description of what’s happening right now.

Mick
05-10-2020, 7:54am
This idea has been around for a few months now. What I don't get is what do these people think the landlords are doing with the rents they collect? I can tell you what I do, first, I maintain the building and provide services to the tenants like landscaping, snow removal etc. With what is left over, I pay my own bills, and buy groceries. Cancelling rent will mean my family will go hungry, and if my contractors are primarily servicing rental properties, they will go hungry too.

This is typical liberal bullshit. As long as it "sounds good" and sounds like we are going to take a chunk out of some rich person's hide, then we should pursue it. Unfortunately in this case, they will only kill the middle class, again.

Rodnok1
05-10-2020, 8:01am
If they think the economy is screwed now, wait until they eliminate debt as proposed.
I'm wondering if they will allow or pass laws for bankruptcy that covers shit like back rent/mortgage specifically from this virus to be eliminated without penalties on credit.

I'm waiting for the news fo start covering the idiots who didn't think they were responsible for rent during this... I spent that money because they said I didn't have to pay this month(or ever in their minds).

VITE1
05-10-2020, 8:27am
When I see politicians demanding crap like this after all their regulations, programs and policies have driven up the costs of property over the decades I get mad.

The solution to the problem is getting the government out of the "Helping " people business. Not only do they suck at it but they end up helping themselves more.

bsmith
05-10-2020, 10:10am
This idea has been around for a few months now. What I don't get is what do these people think the landlords are doing with the rents they collect? I can tell you what I do, first, I maintain the building and provide services to the tenants like landscaping, snow removal etc. With what is left over, I pay my own bills, and buy groceries. Cancelling rent will mean my family will go hungry, and if my contractors are primarily servicing rental properties, they will go hungry too.

This is typical liberal bullshit. As long as it "sounds good" and sounds like we are going to take a chunk out of some rich person's hide, then we should pursue it. Unfortunately in this case, they will only kill the middle class, again.

I've seen the arguments for this.
There are more renters than landlords, so it's better to sacrifice them.

Mick
05-10-2020, 10:24am
I've seen the arguments for this.
There are more renters than landlords, so it's better to sacrifice them.

And what happens to these sacred tenants when the building is falling down around them, the lawn hasn't been cut in months, the hedges have overgrown the driveway, the bushes are blocking the front and side doors, and the town forecloses on the house because I can't pay the property taxes but they don't have the money to fix up the place because nobody has been paying them?

bsmith
05-10-2020, 10:44am
And what happens to these sacred tenants when the building is falling down around them, the lawn hasn't been cut in months, the hedges have overgrown the driveway, the bushes are blocking the front and side doors, and the town forecloses on the house because I can't pay the property taxes but they don't have the money to fix up the place because nobody has been paying them?

People that think this is a good idea don't look past the first of the month.
Or, you should continue to do it because you are a rich landowner and can afford it.

Mick
05-10-2020, 11:41am
People that think this is a good idea don't look past the first of the month.
Or, you should continue to do it because you are a rich landowner and can afford it.

I think you've nailed the mindset here.

I really do wonder what people think I do with the money I collect in rent. Do they think I roll a big cigar with $100 bills and sit on my deck smoking it?

BOTY
05-10-2020, 11:57am
I think you've nailed the mindset here.

I really do wonder what people think I do with the money I collect in rent. Do they think I roll a big cigar with $100 bills and sit on my deck smoking it?

If I had your money I would just burn mine. :yesnod:

DAB
05-10-2020, 12:32pm
running on a gold standard (or silver) sounds great, until you have a trade deficit with say France, and every week they show up and demand their ton of gold from your vault, and then haul that back to Paris. you keep that up, and your vault will be empty over time.

this is what happened in the 1970s.

Nixon shock - Wikipedia


Switzerland redeemed $50 million in July.[9] France acquired $191 million in gold.[9]

mrvette
05-10-2020, 12:57pm
Repudiate ALL debt, or at least from any and all .gov entities.......Fed on down to local board.....

Issue new currency, reset the computers, individuals/companies can then feel free to renegotiate their contracts......

point being that the regular folks cease to pay stupid high payments to the bazillionaire families, Rockefeller, Gates, Rothschild, Ford, long list......

which are the owner of our taxes/gov debt.......they continue to be rich alright....so no real issue, the trick is our tax load is greatly reduced.....

:dance::confused5: just a few thoughts on how that could be accomplished, and not keep forcing more inflation and debt as it's all phony numbers anyway....50 trillion bux.....really?? more like ten billion pennies.....

:issues:

Mick
05-10-2020, 1:45pm
If I had your money I would just burn mine. :yesnod:

Did you notice the ratio of our barn bucks? Yeah, our net worths are probably about the same ratio.

I am without a mortgage now. I used the proceeds of the sale of my 3 family, to pay off the mortgage on my 2 family. Not having that anvil around my neck is nice. :thumbs:

VITE1
05-10-2020, 2:40pm
And what happens to these sacred tenants when the building is falling down around them, the lawn hasn't been cut in months, the hedges have overgrown the driveway, the bushes are blocking the front and side doors, and the town forecloses on the house because I can't pay the property taxes but they don't have the money to fix up the place because nobody has been paying them?

The government comes along and takes the property and then has more control of the people.

BOTY
05-10-2020, 2:57pm
Did you notice the ratio of our barn bucks? Yeah, our net worths are probably about the same ratio.

I am without a mortgage now. I used the proceeds of the sale of my 3 family, to pay off the mortgage on my 2 family. Not having that anvil around my neck is nice. :thumbs:

Hell yeah, we have 32 months left and that isn't set in stone. I would like to shorten that time greatly, it has to be a great feeling. :seasix:

snide
05-10-2020, 4:05pm
Hell yeah, we have 32 months left and that isn't set in stone. I would like to shorten that time greatly, it has to be a great feeling. :seasix:

Not having a mortgage payment is nice, yes. But you still have your property, school and state taxes. :ack:

Was hoping to pay off the 'Mero this year and the RAM next year, but without working right now, that's not likely to happen. :shrug:

BOTY
05-10-2020, 4:45pm
Not having a mortgage payment is nice, yes. But you still have your property, school and state taxes. :ack:

Was hoping to pay off the 'Mero this year and the RAM next year, but without working right now, that's not likely to happen. :shrug:

Property taxes are up there but it's Il in a good school district, we knew what we were getting into. Still cheaper than private school. All taxes suck. :D, but to get the mortgage to go away would be a big bonus. Only one more kid to get through school then all having loans goes away. :)

Dan Dlabay
05-10-2020, 5:10pm
We have no mortgage always paid cash for cars and trucks and no bills other than monthly utilities and credit card which is paid off each month.:cert:

Steve_R
05-10-2020, 5:25pm
Repudiate ALL debt, or at least from any and all .gov entities.......Fed on down to local board.....

Issue new currency, reset the computers, individuals/companies can then feel free to renegotiate their contracts......

point being that the regular folks cease to pay stupid high payments to the bazillionaire families, Rockefeller, Gates, Rothschild, Ford, long list......

which are the owner of our taxes/gov debt.......they continue to be rich alright....so no real issue, the trick is our tax load is greatly reduced.....

:dance::confused5: just a few thoughts on how that could be accomplished, and not keep forcing more inflation and debt as it's all phony numbers anyway....50 trillion bux.....really?? more like ten billion pennies.....

:issues:

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99 pewtercoupe
05-10-2020, 6:00pm
Repudiate ALL debt, or at least from any and all .gov entities.......Fed on down to local board.....

Issue new currency, reset the computers, individuals/companies can then feel free to renegotiate their contracts......

point being that the regular folks cease to pay stupid high payments to the bazillionaire families, Rockefeller, Gates, Rothschild, Ford, long list......

which are the owner of our taxes/gov debt.......they continue to be rich alright....so no real issue, the trick is our tax load is greatly reduced.....

:dance::confused5: just a few thoughts on how that could be accomplished, and not keep forcing more inflation and debt as it's all phony numbers anyway....50 trillion bux.....really?? more like ten billion pennies.....

:issues:.

mrvette
05-11-2020, 2:52am
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What other alternative?? keep on keeping on with the current insanity?? just run the digits out on some computer?? who in hell kidding who now??

:rofl: