So, I had to fire somebody today.

[DJ_Critterus]

Helluva day, i tell you. Helluva day. I start off by having to come in late because these new bifocals aren't set right and I needed to have them made with the far/near line set lower. No biggie.

anyway, on my way in I get a message from my full timer that my student tech is waiting for me in the hallway and that he's being fired. No problem. i go in the back door of the office through an access tunnel (this college campus used to be a mall), get everything situated, check my email, and check the jobs in my trouble ticket queue. Nothing, so I step out to find this guy waiting on me.

Asked what's up and he wanted to talk in the Student Worker Hiring Coordinators office with him present. No problem. Kid asks me to state what my issues are with him first and I tell him to speak his mind since he wanted to have this sit down. My god, I haven't heard so much bullshit in such a short period of time since AF2 and Chas were on the forums. I'm also not a fan of micromanagement, doing half the job, and having to retrain the tasks multiple times when the instructions and check list are available int he K-base I keep and update regularly. This kid accused me of expecting too much of a student technician like he should have had 15+ years experience int he field like most of my team does. He had to take the hardware and software basics class here at the college to even get me to look at his resume, but couldn't even plug HDMI cables into the right ports for a 2nd monitor when they were labeled HDMI Out or HDMI In :rolleyes: Other things were worse. The final straw happened in a class room and we were having issues at the power outlet. Two computers were next to each other, my full time guy was under the desk messing with wiring and told him specifically which computer to check for signs of life. This kid checks the computer next to it, but has the power cable in his hand...not plugged in. That's when shit hit the fan this morning.

My full time guy was accused of some bad shit and making the work environment more hostile than a Koko thread bragging about the 96 CE PosOTY. And to top it off, the kid sent a scathing email to HR.

I'm not worried about it because I know my team and what lines they won't cross as far as professionalism and common courtesy on the job site goes. it's pretty much he said-he said at this point and I'm absolutely defending my full time employee who WAS this kids supervisor.

so, believe it or not, I didn't tell this kid to STFU and eat a bag of dicks. i wanted too, but didn't instead, my response was, "Well, I need to take a look at some processes in my shop and I don't think it would be mutually beneficial for you to continue your employment with me."

Now let's see what happens because of his HR email. I got to read it and it's honestly about 90% bullshit. The other 10% is nothing to worry about. Went to see my boss about this in so he wouldn't be blindsided in case he got a call from HR, but this kid I fired is going for a law degree after he graduates and nit-picks anything. I'm interested to see what happens, but i think nothing will happen.

/rant

Cliffs: i fired an incompetent student computer technician. He bitched, complained, and wrote email to HR about it that was 90% bullshit. Waiting to see what happens.

[z06psi]

Helluva day, i tell you. Helluva day. I start off by having to come in late because these new bifocals aren't set right and I needed to have them made with the far/near line set lower. No biggie.



anyway, on my way in I get a message from my full timer that my student tech is waiting for me in the hallway and that he's being fired. No problem. i go in the back door of the office through an access tunnel (this college campus used to be a mall), get everything situated, check my email, and check the jobs in my trouble ticket queue. Nothing, so I step out to find this guy waiting on me.



Asked what's up and he wanted to talk in the Student Worker Hiring Coordinators office with him present. No problem. Kid asks me to state what my issues are with him first and I tell him to speak his mind since he wanted to have this sit down. My god, I haven't heard so much bullshit in such a short period of time since AF2 and Chas were on the forums. I'm also not a fan of micromanagement, doing half the job, and having to retrain the tasks multiple times when the instructions and check list are available int he K-base I keep and update regularly. This kid accused me of expecting too much of a student technician like he should have had 15+ years experience int he field like most of my team does. He had to take the hardware and software basics class here at the college to even get me to look at his resume, but couldn't even plug HDMI cables into the right ports for a 2nd monitor when they were labeled HDMI Out or HDMI In :rolleyes: Other things were worse. The final straw happened in a class room and we were having issues at the power outlet. Two computers were next to each other, my full time guy was under the desk messing with wiring and told him specifically which computer to check for signs of life. This kid checks the computer next to it, but has the power cable in his hand...not plugged in. That's when shit hit the fan this morning.



My full time guy was accused of some bad shit and making the work environment more hostile than a Koko thread bragging about the 96 CE PosOTY. And to top it off, the kid sent a scathing email to HR.



I'm not worried about it because I know my team and what lines they won't cross as far as professionalism and common courtesy on the job site goes. it's pretty much he said-he said at this point and I'm absolutely defending my full time employee who WAS this kids supervisor.



so, believe it or not, I didn't tell this kid to STFU and eat a bag of dicks. i wanted too, but didn't instead, my response was, "Well, I need to take a look at some processes in my shop and I don't think it would be mutually beneficial for you to continue your employment with me."



Now let's see what happens because of his HR email. I got to read it and it's honestly about 90% bullshit. The other 10% is nothing to worry about. Went to see my boss about this in so he wouldn't be blindsided in case he got a call from HR, but this kid I fired is going for a law degree after he graduates and nit-picks anything. I'm interested to see what happens, but i think nothing will happen.



/rant



Cliffs: i fired an incompetent student computer technician. He bitched, complained, and wrote email to HR about it that was 90% bullshit. Waiting to see what happens.Suck it up buttercup. Part of your paycheck.

[DJ_Critterus]

Suck it up buttercup. Part of your paycheck.

I know that and I'm not worried about it. It's just business to me. Just curious to see what HR does with the email they received.

[dvarapala]

Didn't read, but I'm assuming his palms were not turned up.

[snide]

I know that and I'm not worried about it. It's just business to me. Just curious to see what HR does with the email they received.

How much of a pay increase are you expecting? :bigears:

[snide]

I know that and I'm not worried about it. It's just business to me. Just curious to see what HR does with the email they received.

BTW, I see you got a new keyboard. :thumbs::thumbs:

:cheers:




:leaving:

[Egnalf]

fire someone on Christmas eve and get back to me.

[bsmith]

A snowflake college student?
I'm shocked

[DJ_Critterus]

How much of a pay increase are you expecting? :bigears:A big one when I hit the lottery this weekend. Here at work.... probably jsut an increase in work load :(

BTW, I see you got a new keyboard. :thumbs::thumbs:

:cheers:

:leaving:
I took the time to pay attention to the spell check this time.

[DJ_Critterus]

fire someone on Christmas eve and get back to me.

Was it done in person?

[Egnalf]

Was it done in person?

yup, called him into my office, had my feet up on the desk and a candy cigar in my moth. Told him I was gonna have to let him go because he was a terrible human.

[FLEXjs]

When I fire someone I don't have a discussion with them. What's the point?

You're fired, here's your package from HR. Bye now.

[DJ_Critterus]

yup, called him into my office, had my feet up on the desk and a candy cigar in my moth. Told him I was gonna have to let him go because he was a terrible human.

Cut right to the chase, honest, and no bullshit. i like your approach.

[DJ_Critterus]

When I fire someone I don't have a discussion with them. What's the point?

You're fired, here's your package from HR. Bye now.

I only had the discussion because I wanted to see what he had stated and what was sent to HR. During this discussion i said very little and told him that the reason written on the termination paperwork was accurate and I really don't want to or even have to explain it again.

Taht being said, i don't like having to fire people, but it's nothing personal..Just business. It's part of the job and I have to look out for my job, my other employees' jobs, my mission/requirements of my shop, etc....

when i first took over running the tech support department of this college campus 5+ years ago, nobody would call tech support for help because we were viewed as lazy and incompetent due to the previous crew who was here before me. Things drastically changed within the first month of me here and people noticed. Then as i hired my team it was even more noticeable and staff, admin, and faculty have thrown a fit when they heard my boss planned to rotate me to another campus that wasn't running as smooth. i'm proud of that, and because of how i manage my team/Know my team, I'm absolutely positive any of the acccusations emailed to HR by this kid were complete bullshit. my boss agrees with me unless there is some evidence proving otherwise. i guarantee none exists.

guess I'm just more pissed that I'm having to defend myself, my team, and my shop's reputation becauss some shit bag couldn't handle the job requirements.....at what is almost an entry level position. More like a paid internship that can turn into entry level.

[Egnalf]

Cut right to the chase, honest, and no bullshit. i like your approach.

I give my employees a lot of latitude to do the right thing. I understand that time to time, everyone has a bad day. When you have a bad day every day and blame others, you are the problem and need to go. At that point, there is no recourse, no redeeming, they just need to go. Why beleaguer the point?

[Mick]

yup, called him into my office, had my feet up on the desk and a candy cigar in my moth. Told him I was gonna have to let him go because he was a terrible human.

When I got fired, my boss wasn't quite so cavalier, but it was really a nothing. I knew it was coming, only a matter of when, not if. He actually came to my office, rather than calling me to his, he sat down, and told me it was over, and I was to go see HR for the details on my severance. No bullshit, no arguments, no "discussions". I appreciated his honesty and straight-forwardness.

So I walk to HR on my own, and the lady goes on for literally a half hour about all the wonderful things they are going to do for me, and I was like "WTF? You're firing me, just give me the information on the separation package and let me go home!", but no, I was too much of a ***** to say that. So I sat and listened to her spew the company line, and then I went home. **** 'em.

[04 commemorative]

I used to hate when we had to fire someone....I always said as long as you never enjoy doing it you're ok.

[MrPeabody]

I used to hate when we had to fire someone....I always said as long as you never enjoy doing it you're ok.

I took a few management courses in college, and this topic came up in my Personnel Management class. The instructor said ideally it should not affect your emotions anymore than getting a cup of coffee. If it really bothers you ore if you really like it, management may not be the job for you.

04, I tend to agree with you on this topic. I think it should bother someone at least enough to start a thread on a car forum about it.:D

[Mick]

I took a few management courses in college, and this topic came up in my Personnel Management class. The instructor said ideally it should not affect your emotions anymore than getting a cup of coffee. If it really bothers you ore if you really like it, management may not be the job for you.

04, I tend to agree with you on this topic. I think it should bother someone at least enough to start a thread on a car forum about it.:D

Although I see your point, I'm not sure I would want to work for a boss that really felt the way that bolded describes.

In that job, I was expected to be an adult, and a professional, so was my boss. Part of that is the idea of "business is business". I know my boss fought to keep as much of his staff employed as long as he could (this was in the Obummer years), but when the end came for someone, it came. The "doing the right thing" part came BEORE the end. Once the end is reached, everyone needs to be a professional about it.

Hopefully the young man that DJ had to fire today will come to understand this as he matures.

[Egnalf]

I only had the discussion because I wanted to see what he had stated and what was sent to HR. During this discussion i said very little and told him that the reason written on the termination paperwork was accurate and I really don't want to or even have to explain it again.

Taht being said, i don't like having to fire people, but it's nothing personal..Just business. It's part of the job and I have to look out for my job, my other employees' jobs, my mission/requirements of my shop, etc....

when i first took over running the tech support department of this college campus 5+ years ago, nobody would call tech support for help because we were viewed as lazy and incompetent due to the previous crew who was here before me. Things drastically changed within the first month of me here and people noticed. Then as i hired my team it was even more noticeable and staff, admin, and faculty have thrown a fit when they heard my boss planned to rotate me to another campus that wasn't running as smooth. i'm proud of that, and because of how i manage my team/Know my team, I'm absolutely positive any of the acccusations emailed to HR by this kid were complete bullshit. my boss agrees with me unless there is some evidence proving otherwise. i guarantee none exists.

guess I'm just more pissed that I'm having to defend myself, my team, and my shop's reputation becauss some shit bag couldn't handle the job requirements.....at what is almost an entry level position. More like a paid internship that can turn into entry level.

you miss the whole point. they fired themselves by not acting properly or doing their work correctly. You are just carrying the message.

When I got fired, my boss wasn't quite so cavalier, but it was really a nothing. I knew it was coming, only a matter of when, not if. He actually came to my office, rather than calling me to his, he sat down, and told me it was over, and I was to go see HR for the details on my severance. No bullshit, no arguments, no "discussions". I appreciated his honesty and straight-forwardness.

So I walk to HR on my own, and the lady goes on for literally a half hour about all the wonderful things they are going to do for me, and I was like "WTF? You're firing me, just give me the information on the separation package and let me go home!", but no, I was too much of a ***** to say that. So I sat and listened to her spew the company line, and then I went home. **** 'em. downsizing or change in culture? doesn't sound like fired for poor performance.
I used to hate when we had to fire someone....I always said as long as you never enjoy doing it you're ok. sometimes, when an employee just gets under your skin intentionally because they think they cant be fired, you get to enjoy it.

I took a few management courses in college, and this topic came up in my Personnel Management class. The instructor said ideally it should not affect your emotions anymore than getting a cup of coffee. If it really bothers you ore if you really like it, management may not be the job for you.

04, I tend to agree with you on this topic. I think it should bother someone at least enough to start a thread on a car forum about it.:D

Although I see your point, I'm not sure I would want to work for a boss that really felt the way that bolded describes.

In that job, I was expected to be an adult, and a professional, so was my boss. Part of that is the idea of "business is business". I know my boss fought to keep as much of his staff employed as long as he could (this was in the Obummer years), but when the end came for someone, it came. The "doing the right thing" part came BEORE the end. Once the end is reached, everyone needs to be a professional about it.

Hopefully the young man that DJ had to fire today will come to understand this as he matures. I hire skilled building trades guys/union. sometimes they like to play games and know it will lead to them being laid off or fired. Its a completely different game than professional office types. They are grown men, but sometimes act like boys for any number of reasons. Feelings simply aren't part of the equation for most.

[DJ_Critterus]

you miss the whole point. they fired themselves by not acting properly or doing their work correctly. You are just carrying the message.



Here's something to think about. i've very very picky about who I hire and always go over it with my full time employee. With the exception of two students, all have stayed on with the crew for 1+ years all the way to 5+. They've ALL gone on to get great jobs after they graduated that paid more than entry level because I make them work and get the minimum wage pay's worth out of them. My philosophy is those that put for the the effort and take care of the job will themselves be taken care of in kind and I tell them, "When it's time for you to graduate or if you apply for bigger better jobs, I won't hold you back, but i will be honest when called about a reference. My reference depends on you, but you better ask me for one first."

Basically, I take care of my own and I take pride in my student techs who've used this job to prove they are worth more than entry level and gotten the jobs. In my 7 years with the college and 5+ here in my current position, this kid and one other are the only two I won't allow to use me as a reference. God help them if they do because i will be brutally honest and that's as it should be. The other 15 still keep in touch and they are doing amazing!

So, I do take pride in how i run my shop and help teach the student techs, but if they don't work out then that's on them. i still don't like having to fire people because I do know how it effects them financially, but that's not my problem to worry about. that's their problem and I'm a bit too lenient. I give multiple chances to show effort and try to improve because of the nature of the student worker/tech program and jobs (state program by the way) unless the employees actions are so egregious they need to be fired and given an MP3 playerr with nothing but Iron Maiden on it.

[MrPeabody]

Here's something to think about. i've very very picky about who I hire and always go over it with my full time employee. With the exception of two students, all have stayed on with the crew for 1+ years all the way to 5+. They've ALL gone on to get great jobs after they graduated that paid more than entry level because I make them work and get the minimum wage pay's worth out of them. My philosophy is those that put for the the effort and take care of the job will themselves be taken care of in kind and I tell them, "When it's time for you to graduate or if you apply for bigger better jobs, I won't hold you back, but i will be honest when called about a reference. My reference depends on you, but you better ask me for one first."

Basically, I take care of my own and I take pride in my student techs who've used this job to prove they are worth more than entry level and gotten the jobs. In my 7 years with the college and 5+ here in my current position, this kid and one other are the only two I won't allow to use me as a reference. God help them if they do because i will be brutally honest and that's as it should be. The other 15 still keep in touch and they are doing amazing!

So, I do take pride in how i run my shop and help teach the student techs, but if they don't work out then that's on them. i still don't like having to fire people because I do know how it effects them financially, but that's not my problem to worry about. that's their problem and I'm a bit too lenient. I give multiple chances to show effort and try to improve because of the nature of the student worker/tech program and jobs (state program by the way) unless the employees actions are so egregious they need to be fired and given an MP3 playerr with nothing but Iron Maiden on it.
If anyone uses you as a reference, refer that caller to the HR department where you work. Don't say anything.:yesnod:

[Egnalf]

If anyone uses you as a reference, refer that caller to the HR department where you work. Don't say anything.:yesnod:

sage.

[FLEXjs]

you miss the whole point. they fired themselves by not acting properly or doing their work correctly. You are just carrying the message.

:iagree:

[DJ_Critterus]

If anyone uses you as a reference, refer that caller to the HR department where you work. Don't say anything.:yesnod:

Just like chicks that want to go out with me. I usually have to decline unless I'm drunk because I don't purposely date women with bad taste :D

[DJ_Critterus]

:iagree:

I did what i had to do without hesitation here. I gave the kid too many chances to fix what he was doing wrong up to this morning and the incident that happened was the red line in the sand. Unlike the Obidiot, my red line doesn't move.

I don't feel bad about firing him, but I still don't like having to fire anyone.

[The_Dude]

I lost consciousness at helluva.

[Mick]

downsizing or change in culture? doesn't sound like fired for poor performance.

A little of both. I worked for McGraw-Hill Education, and whenever the economy turned bad, our sales went down because folks would say "Does Johnny really need a new math book? I mean, 2 plus 2 is still 4." In the Obummer economy, sales plummeted for years, and wave after wave of downsizing happened. I survived that, but eventually, the parent company sold the Education division to Venture Capital, and my "position was eliminated". The buyer demanded that me and a bunch of other folks get cut loose before the sale, so that the parent paid our severance rather than the buyer.

It was what it was, and there was no changing it. My boss at the time, "Joe", got let go a month after I did basically because he was too old.

I hire skilled building trades guys/union. sometimes they like to play games and know it will lead to them being laid off or fired. Its a completely different game than professional office types. They are grown men, but sometimes act like boys for any number of reasons. Feelings simply aren't part of the equation for most.

I've been in companies like that earlier in my career. Yeah, some guys think that because they have a union standing behind them, they can **** with the employer. Sometimes they win, sometimes they don't.

FWIW: I had lunch with Joe last week. Great guy. :yesnod:

[mrvette]

As a head tech at a TV/appl. dealer, I was shop manager, and as such I was instrumental in getting only one guy fired in the decade I was head tech....asked the owner/boss to dump him for total incompetence.....

Then went to work for Intex, inc....Bethesda Md.....maker/inventor of walk through metal detectors....I was hired as field svc tech by the company owner Dr. Roy Ricci.....and Stan, and Another Roy, he was a retired Admiral....and he was head grim reaper.......got called to his office, almost no one walked out, when I got called, everyone on the 14th floor thought I was dead, but NO, I explained watt happened and Roy and I had a good laugh over it, he grinned and said get back to work......
The joint from production line to parts purchase the production manager, and QC and yes even the ENGINEERING dept was a damn mess when I went to work there, but the owner and the other ROY knew shit wasn't straight, and so hired a new head of engineering....over the mechanical, electronic, lab research, including the CHEM lab...... so after a couple weeks on the job, me being there maybe a total of 5 daze because of field service work trips.....he calls me into his office, and asks WTF is RONG here!!!

I told him my opinion, that the EE we had was a drunk and stone incompetent, could not design a damn transistor circuit.....Didn't know NPN from PNP, serious......so also the draftsman on the job site.....so a few daze later he fired a whole bunch and in came a GOOD young guy who I went to work with designing a whole new product line for the company....we/I had a blast doing it, it was FUN!!!! and so after that and industry respect for the products the boss/owner sold the company.....

out of the entire staff, me, M/E, EE and Chem E along with some minor secretarial folks stayed on......to do an entire different product line used for inspect jet aircraft engines for metal stresses on a FAA standard routine basis....our shit WORKED!!!!

I never forget walking in one Monday AM, and there was this ~3" stack of D size drawings to be gone over, spent some daze doing it, walked into the ME/s office and asked what sort of inspections on what was it all for, he laughed and said the parts will be coming in....about enough to fill 3 vans of boxes .......it was FUN!!!! me and the lead assembler from the old line got the job of doing the construction, I did the mechanical stuff, she did the mini electronics.....

it was funny how the head of engineering fired the QC guy, told him to write up a paper of everything he knew of the metal detectors from ground up, then upon reading and discussing it with him over man hours, announced he was fired......

Company moved across town, too much of a traffic BATTLE, so I left and back into the TV business for a year, holding down two shops, got into home improvements/remodeling......kitchens/baths, learned plumbing and electrical from the guys....learned the rest on my own just by watching various subs....not all that hard, really....I never had a fire a sub, just one employee....no biggie....yer fired!!!!

:dance::lol:

[DJ_Critterus]

Well, so far nothing has come of the scathing email to HR, but i did ask all of my former Student techs if they would send a brief letter stating what it was like working in my shop with this full time guy as their supervisor. I told them put in what you need to, be honest about it, and don't embellish anything. I DID NOT TELL THEM WHAT WAS HAPPENING YESTERDAY.

So far, as I suspected, out of all 13 replies I got, they say it was great environment and they wouldn't be in the jobs they have now if it wasn't for my full time employees supervision and the time he took to teach them the skill sets we have know in this job.

I'm not too worried about any fallout from the latter the kid I fired sent to HR since I have written testimony and witnesses who routinely deal with my team to back up my claims the fired kid was full of shit and was looking to blame somebody because he couldn't handle the job....and what he was tasked to do was so easy that even Koko or Adog could have probably done the job well with only me giving them a task and saying, "let me know when it's done correctly."

[BOTY]

Just like chicks that want to go out with me. I usually have to decline unless I'm drunk because I don't purposely date women with bad taste :D

:lol:

[JetMechZ16]

Well, so far nothing has come of the scathing email to HR, but i did ask all of my former Student techs if they would send a brief letter stating what it was like working in my shop with this full time guy as their supervisor. I told them put in what you need to, be honest about it, and don't embellish anything. So far, as I suspected, out of all 13 replies I got, they say it was great environment and they wouldn't be in the jobs they have now if it wasn't for my full time employees supervision and the time he took to teach them the skill sets we have know in this job.

I'm not too worried about any fallout from the latter the kid I fired sent to HR since I have written testimony and witnesses who routinely deal with my team to back up my claims the fired kid was full of shit and was looking to blame somebody because he couldn't handle the job....and what he was tasked to do was so easy that even Koko or Adog could have probably done the job well with only me giving them a task and saying, "let me know when it's done correctly."

Was this student tech named Hal, and did he come to work dressed like this? I had to fire him from My BBQ grill business.

37395

[DJ_Critterus]

Was this student tech named Hal, and did he come to work dressed like this? I had to fire him from My BBQ grill business.

37395

I'd have been legally justified in killing anyone that showed up to work like that.

[RMVette]

Well, so far nothing has come of the scathing email to HR, but i did ask all of my former Student techs if they would send a brief letter stating what it was like working in my shop with this full time guy as their supervisor. I told them put in what you need to, be honest about it, and don't embellish anything. So far, as I suspected, out of all 13 replies I got, they say it was great environment and they wouldn't be in the jobs they have now if it wasn't for my full time employees supervision and the time he took to teach them the skill sets we have know in this job.

I'm not too worried about any fallout from the latter the kid I fired sent to HR since I have written testimony and witnesses who routinely deal with my team to back up my claims the fired kid was full of shit and was looking to blame somebody because he couldn't handle the job....and what he was tasked to do was so easy that even Koko or Adog could have probably done the job well with only me giving them a task and saying, "let me know when it's done correctly."

Glad to hear that, I'm sure things will blow over shortly.

[DJ_Critterus]

Glad to hear that, I'm sure things will blow over shortly.

That's what i'm hoping for, and fortunately, my reputation andd the shop's reputation is well known. The network engineering instructors and info systems management instructors all tell their students to apply for a student tech job with me and I have a list of about 20 to choose from. I'm very picky about requirements that need to be met, but I care more that somebody can learn the job learn to take the basics and do more than I do about somebody who already says they can do the job, they have their A+, blah blah blah. Those who show the potential to learn and put that knowledge to better use always excel and do great things when they graduate or get hired for a better full time job.

[09CTSV]

I had one of my supervisors on a Performance Improvement Plan last year. He kept taking FMLA every time I went to sit down and go over the improvement plan with him. Finally in February we sat down and went over the plan to help him improve his supervisory skills. I gave him 90 days to get the plan going and improve.
Come Mid March I bring him in with HR and fire him. He had had not shown one sign of trying to improve.
I was walking on egg shells because he had seen the writing on the wall in December and filed a compliance line complaint saying I was bullying and harassing him. The whole investigation turned up no evidence of the complaint and in fact added evidence to his lack of supervisory skills.
I went on with the termination and he blurts out how he feels this is retaliation and he was filing a complaint with the compliance line. I was amazed they would even think of something like that.
Two weeks later I fired another supervisor for blatant violation of Lock Out Tag Out.

[8Up]

My wife is an HR Director. ALL her stories about firing people are 'head shakers'. How some of these people function in society without supervision is remarkable.

[Rikki Z-06]

Was this student tech named Hal, and did he come to work dressed like this? I had to fire him from My BBQ grill business.

37395

:toetap:

[VITE1]

It got to the point at one place I worked we hired all entry level positions from a temp agency. We would take a temp in for 3 to 4 months and ,if they worked ot, we'd buy their contract from the agency.

Up front it looked like it would cost more but it cut costs becuase we'd fire 70% of new hires with in 2 months.

[snide]

It got to the point at one place I worked we hired all entry level positions from a temp agency. We would take a temp in for 3 to 4 months and ,if they worked ot, we'd buy their contract from the agency.

Up front it looked like it would cost more but it cut costs becuase we'd fire 70% of new hires with in 2 months.

A lot of companies to contract to hire for all employees. 6 month contract, if you fit the corporate culture and can fit the mold, you're hired after 6 months.

[VITE1]

A lot of companies to contract to hire for all employees. 6 month contract, if you fit the corporate culture and can fit the mold, you're hired after 6 months.

That's good. It still opens the company up to discrimination claims.

[snide]

That's good. It still opens the company up to discrimination claims.

If someone has an agenda, there will be discrimination claims no matter the hire method.

[JRD77VET]

If someone has an agenda, there will be discrimination claims no matter the hire method.

Where I worked before, one of the new welders seemed "a little off", like he was trying to set somebody or the company up for a lawsuit.

Always writing in his notebook that "almost" never left his person. I say almost because he left it out when he went to the bathroom. The welding supervisor saw it out, flipped thru it real quick and made it disappear.

Found out shortly after that he was a "sue happy" employee. They had him take a welding test for an upcoming .gov project and he failed it. He got another chance at the welding test, failed it and got canned.

[99 pewtercoupe]

A lot of companies to contract to hire for all employees. 6 month contract, if you fit the corporate culture and can fit the mold, you're hired after 6 months.

Prior to retirement, I used a similar strategy for entry level. Would go through a temp agency and bring the person on as a temp. No mention by me that it could lead to a permanent position. If they worked out ok for six months I would offer them a job. If it wasn’t working out, I just called the temp agency and they told the person not to bother coming back. I used the same agency for several years and it worked out pretty well.

[DJ_Critterus]

So, I spoke to HR wdnesday morning and answered all the questions (honestly) they had about the situation. Long story short... they said everything I told them matched with the complaint and the other staff members involved and that it sounded like a disgruntled student employee (including the instructor in the class last Thursday where the last fall out happened) trying to cause trouble to force us to let him keep his job if he withdrew his complaint. The instructor said she witnessed nothing inappropriate, heard nothing inappropriate, and barely noticed my team was in the room working until the problem was solved and she was asked to log onto the two computers in question to verify they were fixed to standard and that she/students could use them.

The issue was dropped, logged the way I explained above, and closed while I was still on the phone with HR. they agreed the only thing accurate in the student tech's compliant was the time frame of the event and the events themselves. Nobody could corroborate his complaints even after thoroughly digging for evidence to verify them. That was a relief, but HR did say that I was too nice and should have fired the kid a couple of weeks prior instead of trying to apply corrective training, but the corrective training was the right thing to do (mixed message). Oh well.

/problem

[RMVette]

Great news! :yesnod:

[Swany00]

If someone has an agenda, there will be discrimination claims no matter the hire method.

No shit, hell, we have more contractors complain about the free stuff we provide in the fridges. I told one the other day, if you don't like it, go someplace else to bitch, it's free. He's on my shit list, hard no hire:yesnod:

[DJ_Critterus]

Great news! :yesnod:

i figured it would amount to nothing especially given the number of student techs I've had working for me over the past 7+/- years who have all been successful. This kid was only the 2nd who got fired. The first was a Navy E-6 reservist whose language was worse than mine, but out in front of clients and that was 2 years ago.

[DJ_Critterus]

No shit, hell, we have more contractors complain about the free stuff we provide in the fridges. I told one the other day, if you don't like it, go someplace else to bitch, it's free. He's on my shit list, hard no hire:yesnod:

Why would he complain about free shit that is available to him, too?

[Swany00]

Why would he complain about free shit that is available to him, too?

You'd be surprised how many people complain when they get something free. We had one employee complain her retention bonus just wasn't big enough, sense of entitlement is nuts in the Bay Area. She gone :)

[DJ_Critterus]

You'd be surprised how many people complain when they get something free. We had one employee complain her retention bonus just wasn't big enough, sense of entitlement is nuts in the Bay Area. She gone :)

You should keep free bags of dicks on hands for those kind of assholes (pun?)

[Swany00]

You should keep free bags of dicks on hands for those kind of assholes (pun?)

There aren't enough bags :seasix:

[JetMechZ16]

i figured it would amount to nothing especially given the number of student techs I've had working for me over the past 7+/- years who have all been successful. This kid was only the 2nd who got fired. The first was a Navy E-6 reservist whose language was worse than mine, but out in front of clients and that was 2 years ago.

There's a reason for the expression "Cuss like a sailor" And the reservist would be the Pg rated version.

[DJ_Critterus]

There's a reason for the expression "Cuss like a sailor" And the reservist would be the Pg rated version.

This kid was dropping more F-bombs than I would in a regular work day.

[JetMechZ16]

This kid was dropping more F-bombs than I would in a regular work day.

Sounds to me like he was still in training.

[dvarapala]

Why would he complain about free shit that is available to him, too?

Because he wanted avocado toast and oat milk lattes but all they had was doughnuts and regular coffee.

[JetMechZ16]

Because he wanted avocado toast and oat milk lattes but all they had was doughnuts and regular coffee.

Oat milk sucks!!:yesnod:

[snide]

Because he wanted avocado toast and oat milk lattes but all they had was doughnuts and regular coffee.

Oat milk sucks!!:yesnod:

How do you milk oats? Do they have teets? :confused5:

[Bill]

How do you milk oats? Do they have teets? :confused5:

*teats

I have oats, Snide....can you milk me?

[JetMechZ16]

*teats

I have oats, Snide....can you milk me?

OOHhhh,,No!! That' s so wrong.!

[snide]

*teats

I have oats, Snide....can you milk me?

:skep::skep::skep: What a I can do is kick you in the nuts. :yesnod::kick: