View Full Version : Oil to Gas converstion quote. Thoughts?
scorp508
04-10-2011, 5:02pm
I had a plumber here yesterday to give a quote on a Oil --> Gas conversion for my boiler and keep the in-room steam radiators. He was from the plumbing company the local gas company partners with for these kinds of engagements.
Install new 82% efficient boiler, remove old one. (New = Burnham BPIN4SNIME
BLR NAT STM EI PKGD)
Install new 40 gallon gas water heater. (New = State SGS640YBRT 40 GAL NAT TALL)
New interior gas piping
Removal of old oil tank
Gas company install a new gas line from the street. ($500 of the cost)
All permits and work to code
All taxes
All labor
2-year parts/labor warranty
Grand total... $7745.
That seemed like more than I was expecting. The existing Texaco Fuel Chief boiler is 138,000 BTU which he said is overpowered for 1,400 sq. ft. and 8 radiators. There is a reduction pipe right where the steam comes out of the existing boiler and to the house. The boiler he quoted is supposedly 105,000 BTU. There was also some water return loop he said my house doesn't currently and they would be required to install.
The guy said a boiler with an indirect water heating system would be even more $ instead of going with the 40 gallon seperate unit.
This doesn't include a chimney liner, which he said some towns require due to the cooler exhaust gases allowing moisture to build up in the chimney. He said another ~$1,500 if I wanted to have them contract someone to do it for me.
Thoughts?:confused5:
I had a plumber here yesterday to give a quote on a Oil --> Gas conversion for my boiler and keep the in-room steam radiators. He was from the plumbing company the local gas company partners with for these kinds of engagements.
Install new 82% efficient boiler, remove old one. (New = Burnham BPIN4SNIME
BLR NAT STM EI PKGD)
Install new 40 gallon gas water heater. (New = State SGS640YBRT 40 GAL NAT TALL)
New interior gas piping
Removal of old oil tank
Gas company install a new gas line from the street. ($500 of the cost)
All permits and work to code
All taxes
All labor
2-year parts/labor warranty
Grand total... $7745.
That seemed like more than I was expecting. The existing Texaco Fuel Chief boiler is 138,000 BTU which he said is overpowered for 1,400 sq. ft. and 8 radiators. There is a reduction pipe right where the steam comes out of the existing boiler and to the house. The boiler he quoted is supposedly 105,000 BTU. There was also some water return loop he said my house doesn't currently and they would be required to install.
The guy said a boiler with an indirect water heating system would be even more $ instead of going with the 40 gallon seperate unit.
This doesn't include a chimney liner, which he said some towns require due to the cooler exhaust gases allowing moisture to build up in the chimney. He said another ~$1,500 if I wanted to have them contract someone to do it for me.
Thoughts?:confused5:Move south....
Uncle Pervey
04-10-2011, 5:08pm
Move south....
:iagree: with salesho :yesnod:
I can't imagine living in a place where you had to pump boiling water and steam around your house just to stay warm. :leaving:
Move south....
:rofl::rofl:
Move south and buy a Honda....
Fixt. :thumbs:
:leaving:
Stangkiller
04-10-2011, 5:25pm
What are your other two quotes? I sure wouldn't drop that coin without at least 3 quotes.
CertInsaneC5
04-10-2011, 5:31pm
That seemed like more than I was expecting. The existing Texaco Fuel Chief boiler is 138,000 BTU which he said is overpowered for 1,400 sq. ft. and 8 radiators. There is a reduction pipe right where the steam comes out of the existing boiler and to the house. The boiler he quoted is supposedly 105,000 BTU. There was also some water return loop he said my house doesn't currently and they would be required to install.
That part is BS. I have 1800+ Sq/ft and only need half of that BTU. You are getting taken for a ride. Look elsewhere. :cheers:
Thoughts?:confused5:
Sounds reasonable. Do it!
JRD77VET
04-10-2011, 5:38pm
That part is BS. I have 1800+ Sq/ft and only need half of that BTU. You are getting taken for a ride. Look elsewhere. :cheers:
You're in IN and Brian is outside of Boston. BIG difference in climate. Plus he has an older house too.
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Brian,
Part of that cost is the removal and disposal of the old oil tank. It's not "cheap and easy" like before.
Get at least two more quotes. The guy here in PA who did my conversion ( old electric to oil fired air with AC ) was just starting out on his own and I got a great price. 1/3 down to buy all the heater stuff, 1/3 when he started the installation and final 1/3 when it was all finished.
Jeff
CertInsaneC5
04-10-2011, 5:48pm
You're in IN and Brian is outside of Boston. BIG difference in climate. Plus he has an older house too.
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Brian,
Part of that cost is the removal and disposal of the old oil tank. It's not "cheap and easy" like before.
Get at least two more quotes. The guy here in PA who did my conversion ( old electric to oil fired air with AC ) was just starting out on his own and I got a great price. 1/3 down to buy all the heater stuff, 1/3 when he started the installation and final 1/3 when it was all finished.
Jeff
Yes, I know where he is from, The difference in temps from here to there is not that much. 100k BTU is pure BS. That unit will short cycle like a mofo because its oversized for the space.
Mark C5
04-10-2011, 6:15pm
Yes, I know where he is from, The difference in temps from here to there is not that much. 100k BTU is pure BS. That unit will short cycle like a mofo because its oversized for the space.
In his climate zone he needs 84000 minimum.
scorp508
04-10-2011, 8:38pm
What are your other two quotes? I sure wouldn't drop that coin without at least 3 quotes.
This was the 1st, others to come.
oahuyahoo
04-10-2011, 8:42pm
Move south....
Damn Rebs, think they got an answer for everything.
:rofl::rofl:
scorp508
04-10-2011, 8:43pm
That part is BS. I have 1800+ Sq/ft and only need half of that BTU. You are getting taken for a ride. Look elsewhere. :cheers:
Is your home also 1927 construction? I don't know how anyone could make such an apples to apples comparison with nearly no facts.
:confused5:
JRD77VET
04-10-2011, 8:45pm
This was the 1st, others to come.
Another part of the quote to consider. Tune up parts. Make sure what ever firing system it uses isn't specialized to that brand. This is one time common parts are what you want.
oahuyahoo
04-10-2011, 8:47pm
Is your home also 1927 construction? I don't know how anyone could make such an apples to apples comparison with nearly no facts.
:confused5:
Mans got a point here.
The water heater he's quoting you - you might want to go up to a 50 gallon or a 65-gallon. Just because. Also that part number is a 6-year warranty heater. For a little more you could get a 10- or 12-year warranty heater.
6-year heaters are kinda the "beer can" heater in contractor-grade stuff. They work, no frills, but you get what you paid for and it'll expire at midnight 6 years after you first fill it with water.
Aluminum anode (magnesium is better); 0.59 EF (energy factor) - that's okay, but there are units rolling out now with 0.65 - 0.67 EF... that heater is strictly contractor grade, the kind which gets installed en masse in new apartment buildings and starter homes...
:thumbs:
Damn Rebs, think they got an answer for everything.
:rofl::rofl:
We learned that from ALL THE FREAKING YANKEE CARPETBAGGERS THAT HAVE BEEN INVADING US........:D
oahuyahoo
04-10-2011, 9:16pm
We learned that from ALL THE FREAKING YANKEE CARPETBAGGERS THAT HAVE BEEN INVADING US........:D
I know how to get your attention. Laptop keyboards aren't cheap butthead.
:rofl:
I know how to get your attention. Laptop keyboards aren't cheap butthead.
:rofl:
:iagree: :lol:
We learned that from ALL THE FREAKING YANKEE CARPETBAGGERS THAT HAVE BEEN INVADING US........:D
some of us are DAMN YANKEE's :D
What's the payback period? Sounds like an expensive change.
Stangkiller
04-10-2011, 9:54pm
What's the payback period? Sounds like an expensive change.
From what I've heard about those in ground fuel tanks...avoiding a leak could pay it off pretty quickly.
From what I've heard about those in ground fuel tanks...avoiding a leak could pay it off pretty quickly.
Replace with new double wall tank if the tank is suspect.
scorp508
04-10-2011, 10:32pm
What's the payback period? Sounds like an expensive change.
Kind of depends on how long oil stays more pricey than gas.
I keep track of all of my fillups each year since I've been living here.
2007 = 1088 gallons, avg $/Gallon was $2.60
2008 = 0750 gallons, avg $/Gallon was $3.26
2009 = 0800 gallons, avg $/Gallon was $2.27
2010 = 0883 gallons, avg $/Gallon was $2.83
2010 went up in gallons since my girlfriend moved in, more showers etc, and we also now both work from home so the daytime temp is kept higher than in previous years. It was also cold as shit for a few weeks this winter.
The boiler in the house was previously estimated to be no more than 60-65% efficient by someone else. I "waste" about a tank of oil through late spring and summer just making hot water.
From what I've heard about those in ground fuel tanks...avoiding a leak could pay it off pretty quickly.
In-ground? You forget we have cellars up here. :D
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