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bradc6
04-08-2011, 5:12pm
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NEW YORK -- Tampa Bay Rays slugger Manny Ramirez told Major League Baseball on Friday that he is retiring after being notified of an issue that arose under MLB's drug policy.

The commissioner's office announced Ramirez's decision in a statement but did not say whether he tested positive for a banned substance. Ramirez tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug during spring training and retired rather than face a 100-game suspension, sources told ESPN.com. Ramirez previously served a 50-game suspension for violating the drug policy while he was with the Los Angeles Dodgers.

"Major League Baseball recently notified Manny Ramirez of an issue under Major League Baseball's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program," the statement said. "Rather than continue with the process under the Program, Ramirez has informed MLB that he is retiring as an active player. If Ramirez seeks reinstatement in the future, the process under the Drug Program will be completed."

Is Manny Ramirez a Hall of Famer? ESPN.com's David Schoenfield says absolutely, although the steroids issue will certainly put a chokehold on his candidacy when he comes up for election.

MLB said it would have no further comment. A second positive test under the program results in a 100-game suspension, and a third test results in a lifetime ban.

"The Tampa Bay Rays were informed today by the Commissioner's Office that Manny Ramirez has decided to retire after being informed of an issue under the Drug Program," the Rays said in a statement. "We are obviously surprised and disappointed by this news. We will have no further comment on this matter, and our fans and organization will carry on."

The Rays purchased the contract of Casey Kotchman from Triple-A Durham to replace Ramirez on the roster.

Ramirez left the team earlier this week to attend to what the Rays called a family matter. Manager Joe Maddon said on Thursday that he expected Ramirez to be available for Friday night's game at the Chicago White Sox.

The 12-time All-Star agreed to a $2 million, one-year contract with the defending AL East champions in the offseason, hoping to re-establish himself as one of the game's feared hitters.

The 38-year-old outfielder-designated hitter struggled with injuries but still hit .298 with nine homers and 42 RBIs in 90 games for the Dodgers and White Sox last season. He's a career .312 hitter with 555 home runs in 18-plus seasons, including some of his best with the Cleveland Indians and Boston Red Sox.

It was after signing with the Dodgers, though, that his reputation was sullied.

The erratic Ramirez performed well on the field and became a fan favorite, with "Mannywood" signs popping up around town, and wound up signing a $45 million, two-year contract to remain with the Dodgers. But in May 2009, he was suspended for testing positive for human chorionic gonadotropin, a banned female fertility drug that is often used to help mask steroid use.

According to a report in The New York Times later that summer, Ramirez also tested positive for performance-enhancing substances during MLB's anonymous survey testing in 2003. Ramirez was a member of the Red Sox during that time.

"I'm shocked," said Colorado's Jason Giambi, who has acknowledged taking steroids during his own career. "He was phenomenal, one of the best right-handed hitters I've ever seen.

"He always kind of portrayed that he was out there but he knew how to hit, man," Giambi said. "He was unbelievable when it came to hitting. He knew what he wanted to hit and what pitch he wanted to hit and what you were going to throw him, and watching him take an at-bat was pretty impressive."

The Rays, winless through their first six games, hoped the Manny they signed this season would be the same Manny who was MVP of the 2004 World Series when he was with the Red Sox.

At his best, Ramirez was one of the game's great hitters, finishing in the top five in MVP voting four times. He led the American League with a .349 batting average in 2002, finished second the following year and had an AL-best 43 home runs in 2004.

At his worst, Ramirez was criticized for his lackadaisical nature, particularly in the outfield. More than once, managers and teammates complained that Ramirez didn't seem to care about playing defense or wouldn't hustle down the line after a hit.

Still, Giambi said his approach to hitting was never in question.

"It was just impressive to watch," he said. "He always played that he was aloof, but he really knew how to play the game. You could talk hitting with him and his work ethic was pretty unbelievable. He would be in the cage, hitting off breaking-ball machines, and I think that's a part of him that people didn't see, that he put his time and effort into hitting.

"It paid off for him. He's one of the best right-handed hitters I've ever seen," he said.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

78SA
04-08-2011, 5:15pm
:waiting:

Stangkiller
04-08-2011, 5:18pm
Ok I'll bite...it's professional baseball...they swing a bat and throw a ball for a living...if them taking a performance enhancing supplement makes watching baseball more entertaining for the fans..then go ahead what's the big deal?!!

Petew1971
04-08-2011, 5:19pm
I tried to care..didnt happen

Mark C5
04-08-2011, 5:25pm
Ok I'll bite...it's professional baseball...they swing a bat and throw a ball for a living...if them taking a performance enhancing supplement makes watching baseball more entertaining for the fans..then go ahead what's the big deal?!!

I couldn't care less about what happens to Ramirez but I don't think that's really the issue.

If pro athletes are allowed to use steroids then anyone who wants to become a professional athlete will have to do the same. Would you want your junior high school or high school kid injecting that junk to be competitive? Hell, how about the little leaguers?

Stangkiller
04-08-2011, 5:29pm
I couldn't care less about what happens to Ramirez but I don't think that's really the issue.

If pro athletes are allowed to use steroids then anyone who wants to become a professional athlete will have to do the same. Would you want your junior high school or high school kid injecting that junk to be competitive? Hell, how about the little leaguers?

That's simple...just make sure all players coming into the league have 0 illicit drug convictions. And any and all injections or supplements must be controlled by a team doctor.

Just cause the pro's do it doesn't mean the little leagues have to do it.

Petew1971
04-08-2011, 5:31pm
baseball players on steroids would make it 100 times more entertaining..I might even watch a game or two

Stangkiller
04-08-2011, 5:34pm
baseball players on steroids would make it 100 times more entertaining..I might even watch a game or two

:iagree:

Although if football doesn't play next season i'm going to force myself to watch something else..quite possibly baseball....I quit watching when they went on strike..maybe it's time to get them another chance.

VatorMan
04-08-2011, 5:34pm
baseball players on steroids would make it 100 times more entertaining..I might even watch a game or two

:iagree: definitely makes bench clearing brawls more fun.

Mark C5
04-08-2011, 5:35pm
That's simple...just make sure all players coming into the league have 0 illicit drug convictions. And any and all injections or supplements must be controlled by a team doctor.


That won't prevent steroid use by high schoolers and younger. They always think they will never get caught and will rationalize use by saying they have to in order to remain competitive
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Just cause the pro's do it doesn't mean the little leagues have to do it.

The would have to if they wanted to compete against those that do.

Stangkiller
04-08-2011, 5:35pm
:iagree: definitely makes bench clearing brawls more fun.

I was just thinking that...I'd definitely have a few Pride <that's the MMA that allows juicing right?> fighters as my runner coaches.

Stangkiller
04-08-2011, 5:36pm
That won't prevent steroid use by high schoolers and younger. They always think they will never get caught and will rationalize use by saying they have to in order to remain competitive
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The would have to if they wanted to compete against those that do.

It's a little concept almost all but forgotten these days..it's called PARENTING.

Mark C5
04-08-2011, 5:50pm
It's a little concept almost all but forgotten these days..it's called PARENTING.

Good luck with that! :rofl:

BuckyThreadkiller
04-08-2011, 5:55pm
Ok I'll bite...it's professional baseball...they swing a bat and throw a ball for a living...if them taking a performance enhancing supplement makes watching baseball more entertaining for the fans..then go ahead what's the big deal?!!

Then you have a situation where for 100 years nobody has hit more than 61 homers in a season and then suddenly in the space of two years there are 3 or 4 guys who can do it. And then one hits 70.

Makes records meaningless and the ability to determine a players worth based on his performance irrelevant.

If somebody wanted your job and was using an illegal means to be better at it than you and made 10x the money because of it...

Take Ramirez for instance - guys been banned for a season because of his drug use but when he comes back supposedly clean - he's nothing. Mediocre at best. Signs a big new contract with a new team that's laden with incentives and boink - he's going for the shot.

Stangkiller
04-08-2011, 5:58pm
Then you have a situation where for 100 years nobody has hit more than 61 homers in a season and then suddenly in the space of two years there are 3 or 4 guys who can do it. And then one hits 70.

Makes records meaningless and the ability to determine a players worth based on his performance irrelevant.

If somebody wanted your job and was using an illegal means to be better at it than you and made 10x the money because of it...

Take Ramirez for instance - guys been banned for a season because of his drug use but when he comes back supposedly clean - he's nothing. Mediocre at best. Signs a big new contract with a new team that's laden with incentives and boink - he's going for the shot.
The whole point of Baseball is to put fans in the seats...all those home runs put fans in seats. At the end of the day it's a game meant to entertain the fans, might as well make it entertaining.

And I gotta say, the Enron accountants tried doing a 'better job' and failed miserably. :D

BuckyThreadkiller
04-08-2011, 6:03pm
The whole point of Baseball is to put fans in the seats...all those home runs put fans in seats. At the end of the day it's a game meant to entertain the fans, might as well make it entertaining.

And I gotta say, the Enron accountants tried doing a 'better job' and failed miserably. :D

Yeah, but the thing is there are plenty of guys out there good enough to do that. As a Rangers fan I've sat through a LOT of lousy baseball but even when there were players on the juice - Canseco, Palmero, A-Rod.. it didn't make the games any better.

VatorMan
04-08-2011, 6:06pm
Then you have a situation where for 100 years nobody has hit more than 61 homers in a season and then suddenly in the space of two years there are 3 or 4 guys who can do it. And then one hits 70.

Makes records meaningless and the ability to determine a players worth based on his performance irrelevant.

If somebody wanted your job and was using an illegal means to be better at it than you and made 10x the money because of it...

Take Ramirez for instance - guys been banned for a season because of his drug use but when he comes back supposedly clean - he's nothing. Mediocre at best. Signs a big new contract with a new team that's laden with incentives and boink - he's going for the shot.


C'mon Bucky-you know as well as I do nothing is "pure". If this idiot wants to kill himself for glory in the ring...errr field, let 'em. There will ALWAYS be discussions about old VS. new..Ball juiced, guy juiced....etc. I'm thinking we are about 4 years away from Rollerball or real gladiators again.

America is the new Rome. Got to appease the mob.:beat::beat:

Stangkiller
04-08-2011, 6:10pm
C'mon Bucky-you know as well as I do nothing is "pure". If this idiot wants to kill himself for glory in the ring...errr field, let 'em. There will ALWAYS be discussions about old VS. new..Ball juiced, guy juiced....etc. I'm thinking we are about 4 years away from Rollerball or real gladiators again.

America is the new Rome. Got to appease the mob.:beat::beat:

I like where this is going...can we put some hungry Lions in the outfield? Maybe even one behind home plate? :waiting:

Kerrmudgeon
04-08-2011, 6:20pm
overpaid, drugged up weenies. But, who's fault is that?.....
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...Whitepower...
04-08-2011, 6:55pm
Then you have a situation where for 100 years nobody has hit more than 61 homers in a season and then suddenly in the space of two years there are 3 or 4 guys who can do it. And then one hits 70.

Makes records meaningless and the ability to determine a players worth based on his performance irrelevant.

If somebody wanted your job and was using an illegal means to be better at it than you and made 10x the money because of it...

Take Ramirez for instance - guys been banned for a season because of his drug use but when he comes back supposedly clean - he's nothing. Mediocre at best. Signs a big new contract with a new team that's laden with incentives and boink - he's going for the shot.
Roid's saved baseball... Selig knows it and turned a blind eye to it because it got fans back in the stadiums after the strike with all the homerun theatrics..

Then once the sport rebounded and attendence went up he went on a witch hunt. I can't stand that hypocrite. :beat:

VatorMan
04-08-2011, 6:58pm
Roid's saved baseball... Selig knows it and turned a blind eye to it because it got fans back in the stadiums after the strike. Then once the sport rebounds and attendence went up he went on a witch hunt. I can't stand that hypocrite. :beat:

I was a huge fan of the 80s Oakland A's. Between Canseco and McGwire roids and Carney Lansford's Amphetamine use... :lol::lol:

CertInsaneC5
04-08-2011, 7:00pm
I tried to care..didnt happen
:iagree::cheers:

MattW
04-08-2011, 10:12pm
They're professional athletes and they are paid to perform.

Given full disclosure of the (known) potential downsides, they ought to be able to use any and every performance-enhancing substance they wish.

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LATB
04-08-2011, 11:24pm
I have fond memories as a kid at the park on a summer Saturday afternoon to see the Orioles back in the 60's & 70's...the crack of the bat...the hot dog guy...the smell of cigars and spilled beer...walking on peanut shells...

and many a cold opening day...drinking hot chocolate and eating hot dogs, and wondering why I was sick later...and it never seemed as cold when your team was winning...

We had programs and kept box score...the whole bit...those were good times and great baseball teams...

Today I couldn't name one player on the team.:(

MrPeabody
04-09-2011, 2:29am
They're professional athletes and they are paid to perform.

Given full disclosure of the (known) potential downsides, they ought to be able to use any and every performance-enhancing substance they wish.

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They're here to entertain us, just like musicians. Imagine if they drug tested musicians.

...Whitepower...
04-09-2011, 1:37pm
I have fond memories as a kid at the park on a summer Saturday afternoon to see the Orioles back in the 60's & 70's...the crack of the bat...the hot dog guy...the smell of cigars and spilled beer...walking on peanut shells...

and many a cold opening day...drinking hot chocolate and eating hot dogs, and wondering why I was sick later...and it never seemed as cold when your team was winning...

We had programs and kept box score...the whole bit...those were good times and great baseball teams...

Today I couldn't name one player on the team.:(

Mean while I am at the Braves home opening weekend and am checking box scores and this forum on my droid...

At least I am eating peanuts with my funnel cake...:cheers:

78SA
04-09-2011, 4:26pm
Mean while I am at the Braves home opening weekend and am checking box scores and this forum on my droid...

At least I am eating peanuts with my funnel cake...:cheers:

I went to 2 Braves games. Once sat by the players wives behind home plate (Bagwell had a hot wife and the hispanic looking woman next to her was even hotter) and the other time I was like 5 rows from the top straight up 3rd base. At least this hot chick was sitting just down the row from me and kept looking and smiling. Too bad she was with her parents and dad looked mean. :leaving:

Braves lost both games. :dance:

BuckyThreadkiller
04-09-2011, 4:26pm
Roid's saved baseball... Selig knows it and turned a blind eye to it because it got fans back in the stadiums after the strike with all the homerun theatrics..

Then once the sport rebounded and attendence went up he went on a witch hunt. I can't stand that hypocrite. :beat:

Bart Giamatti was the last decent Commissioner, but he never faced a real test. Selig is an ass.

78SA
04-09-2011, 5:01pm
Bart Giamatti was the last decent Commissioner, but he never faced a real test. Selig is an ass.

And he screwed Pete. :beat: