Kid wants M1 Garand

[SnikPlosskin]

Where is a good place to buy one? He is a history buff so, while he may shoot it here and there, mostly wants to own a functional piece of history. He seems to know about the grease (Kerosol?) and how to clean and restore.

[StaticCling]

I bought mine through the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program).
http://thecmp.org

There are certain requirements you have to meet in order to get one through the CMP, documents notarized etc, but they will ship one to your front door.

Now, with that said, while M1's are chambered for the .30 US (.30-06) DO NOT...ABSOLUTELY DO NOT shoot standard commercial 30-06 ammo through an M1. You will (eventually) destroy the operating rod. They weren't designed to shoot modern high pressure ammo. Google M2 Ball for an explanation or watch this:

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Solution is to reload your own ammo using recipes specific for the M1, buy an adjustable gas plug to use commercial ammo, or buy M1 specific factory ammunition (expensive and only made by a few companies) - Also, Enblocs are readily available on eBay or even Amazon for about a buck each.

Good Luck

[StaticCling]

Also, they are absolutely FANTASTIC rifles. :yesnod:

[DAB]

they are not cheap rifles.

you can buy surplus M2 ammo (i have some, it's 147 grain).

i also have some of that Hornady 150 grain SST ammo at 3080 fps - great stuff for deer, about $1.50/round.

the M2 surplus isn't cheap, and you'll need to be involved with the CMP to keep the supply coming.

personally, pick a modern rifle if you want to learn to shoot a rifle. some flavor of an AR pattern rifle. they are easy to find, affordable, and ammo is not a problem.

[StaticCling]

they are not cheap rifles.

you can buy surplus M2 ammo (i have some, it's 147 grain).

i also have some of that Hornady 150 grain SST ammo at 3080 fps - great stuff for deer, about $1.50/round.

the M2 surplus isn't cheap, and you'll need to be involved with the CMP to keep the supply coming.

personally, pick a modern rifle if you want to learn to shoot a rifle. some flavor of an AR pattern rifle. they are easy to find, affordable, and ammo is not a problem.

There is quite a bit of logic to this post...

For a person that doesn't reload their own ammunition and isn't willing to put in the time and effort doing so, M1's turn into an expensive proposition real quick. Even doing it yourself isn't exactly economical. Brass for 30-06 while readily available, isn't exactly cheap. Projectiles will run in the neighborhood of 20-25 per hundred. And the cartridge itself uses a substantial amount of powder. And then you have to put all of that together (time and effort).

You may be better served with something like a Mini 14, the actions are similar, and ammunition is readily available and CHEAP.

[6spdC6]

they are not cheap rifles.

you can buy surplus M2 ammo (i have some, it's 147 grain).

i also have some of that Hornady 150 grain SST ammo at 3080 fps - great stuff for deer, about $1.50/round.

the M2 surplus isn't cheap, and you'll need to be involved with the CMP to keep the supply coming.

personally, pick a modern rifle if you want to learn to shoot a rifle. some flavor of an AR pattern rifle. they are easy to find, affordable, and ammo is not a problem.

The OP said he is a history buff! Definitely a lot of history behind the M1.

I have a couple of historical 30.06 battle rifles that I shoot. A 03 Springfield and a 17 Enfield. Both shoot well albeit a bit slower than the semi auto M1.:D

I prefer the 03, but both get shot and I can use any ammo I want.:hurray:

[DAB]

i have several 1911 pistols, one made in 1914 (still works, just shot it in a match 2 weeks ago, horrible little sights), and several more modern ones, including one made last year (Cold Gold Cup).

yeah, the old one is an interesting historical item, i shoot it about once a year, but for practical use, the modern version, with better sights, better tolerances is the way to go.

unless Jr. has plenty of money laying around to just buy and have an M1 laying around as a conversation piece (he's a kid, he has a lot of living yet to do), this is not a purchase i'd suggest for him.

if he wants to get into rifle shooting, the M16/AR15 pattern is also somewhat historical, having been around since the early 60s (that's almost 60 years ago!), and is also shot in competitions as well as used for self defense.

and without easy mounting of a scope, an open sight rifle is really tough to keep on the paper at 100 yards.

I was just at the range monday, checking the zero of my 30-06 Browning, and it's still dead on, hitting about 1.5" high at 100 yards (so zero high at 200 yards, a common hunting distance), with a nice 1" or so group off a rest (and a 4" group kneeling, which is within a minute of deer tolerance). no way i could hold that size group with a peep sight.

you wanted comments, that's mine.

[Cybercowboy]

My brother-in-law has a couple M1 Garands and also an M1 Carbine that I'd like to shoot sometime. I've shot the Garand and it's a blast, but actually prefer shooting my 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser. That thing is just sick. Bolt action though. Not sure what the Mausers are going for now but back in the early 90's I bought several milsup Mausers from the early 1900's packed in grease for $50/ea. Some were in better shape than others but all were serviceable. Kept some original and gave them away as gifts, and had mine sporterized.

[StaticCling]

M I've shot the Garand and it's a blast, but actually prefer shooting my 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser. That thing is just sick. Bolt action though. Not sure what the Mausers are going for now but back in the early 90's I bought several milsup Mausers from the early 1900's packed in grease for $50/ea. Some were in better shape than others but all were serviceable. Kept some original and gave them away as gifts, and had mine sporterized.

Depends on the Mauser...

As far as the Swedish Mauser's go, M38's and M94's are probably the most desirable, whereas the M96's are probably in the greatest abundance, but still collected. In my opinion, they are the best of all Mauser's. The Swedes were neutral during the war(s), so they weren't making a mad effort to produce rifles in great numbers, hence the higher quality. They also prided themselves on the quality of their steel. Prices are anywhere from $400-$1000 depending upon condition (and increasing in price), and perhaps more if you have a 'sniper' variant. 6.5 Swede is probably the greatest Military Cartridge of all time. Again, my opinion. The Euro's use it for up to Moose sized game, and it's still very popular there. Flat shooting, hard hitting and low recoil. Great Cartridge. :yesnod:

German K98 Mausers are fetching close to and North of M1 Garand Prices now, depending on example/condition.

Best deal going in a Milsurp right now are the M48 Yugo Mausers, which can still be had relatively cheaply. Basically a K98, with some minor, and not so minor, differences.

[VITE1]

My kids got me an M! Garand for fathers day a number of years back Fun to shoot.

PPU bulk ammo is 410.00 for 500 rounds.

[DAB]

My kids got me an M! Garand for fathers day a number of years back Fun to shoot.

PPU bulk ammo is 410.00 for 500 rounds.

bang, 80 cents. bang, 80 cents.....

[VITE1]

bang, 80 cents. bang, 80 cents.....

Don't forget the doctors bills for M1 thumb.

[RedLS1GTO]

I absolutely understand the history buff part. that's also a big reason that I own close to a dozen M1s at any given time (and m1903s, and others). It's not about what's cheap. Sure, there are plenty of modern commercial rifles out there that outperform the M1... but I don't want any of them.

I haven't had any luck whatsoever with the CMP over the last 2 years or so. Every so often a nice rifle comes up on the CMP forums but you have to jump on it a big hurry if it's a good price.

If he's anything like me, the history is way more important than anything. Hell. I own three of them that I've never even shot. it takes a lot of research to make sure you're getting what you think you're getting. If you want a WWII era receiver, that's easy. If you want a completely correct WWII era rifle, not so much. There are lots of fakes, especially when it comes to stocks and unless you really know what you're looking for it's really hard to spot them.

I would be very hesitant to trust that a gun really is what somebody says it is if you are looking around on GunBroker and other places like that. The guys on the CMP forums generally do a pretty good job of pointing out inconsistencies if someone posts something for sale.

[RedLS1GTO]

My (almost) correct September '42 Springfield and '44 Remington Rand 1911A1.

Bonus points to the person that can spot what's incorrect on the Garand. :)

Luckily I was also wise enough to realize what the price of ammo was going to do so I have more m2 milsurp ammo then I could shoot in two lifetimes that I bought before the prices skyrocketed. :cool:

[DAB]

???

wrong rear sight?

no idea.

[StaticCling]

Not sure, that appears to be a lockbar sight, which would be original to a WW2 M1. What is it?

Oh, here is my April of '44 Springfield CMP Special Grade. :)

[StaticCling]

???

wrong rear sight?

no idea.

It's a lockbar sight, which is correct for WW2 era rifles, I don't think they went to the other style until after the war, but I might be wrong on that.

[StaticCling]

I absolutely understand the history buff part. that's also a big reason that I own close to a dozen M1s at any given time (and m1903s, and others). It's not about what's cheap. Sure, there are plenty of modern commercial rifles out there that outperform the M1... but I don't want any of them.

I haven't had any luck whatsoever with the CMP over the last 2 years or so. Every so often a nice rifle comes up on the CMP forums but you have to jump on it a big hurry if it's a good price.

If he's anything like me, the history is way more important than anything. Hell. I own three of them that I've never even shot. it takes a lot of research to make sure you're getting what you think you're getting. If you want a WWII era receiver, that's easy. If you want a completely correct WWII era rifle, not so much. There are lots of fakes, especially when it comes to stocks and unless you really know what you're looking for it's really hard to spot them.

I would be very hesitant to trust that a gun really is what somebody says it is if you are looking around on GunBroker and other places like that. The guys on the CMP forums generally do a pretty good job of pointing out inconsistencies if someone posts something for sale.


Frankly, I think it's a bit dumb to nitpick on every minor little detail if you just want a shooter. I mean, the rifles went though hell and back, and I doubt some field armorer really gave a shit whether or not he was fitting an International Harvester Operating Rod on a Springfield Rifle. They were made to be serviced by a 20 years old 'Armorer' in the field.

Now if you are into the collecting aspect of it, that's cool I guess, but for me guns are simply tools. I bought mine to shoot. Not covet or oogle over. Mine is nowhere near correct, but it's a good shooter, and that's all that matters to me. :island14:

I know of a guy that won't replace the transmission seals in his C1 Corvette because it wouldn't be original to the car. He single handedly has kept Johnny Cat in business.

Whatever floats your boat. :island14:

[Bill]

bang, 82 cents. bang, 82 cents.....

Fixed.

[DAB]

interesting articles:

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/12/10/from-the-american-rifleman-archives-in-the-system-m1-garand-rebuilds/

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/2/9/redeployed-fn-m1-garands-and-carbines/

after the war, no care was given to keep complete rifles together. parts were taken off, cleaned or replaced, and a rifle was made from the pile of parts on the tables.

[RedLS1GTO]

Frankly, I think it's a bit dumb to nitpick on every minor little detail if you just want a shooter. I mean, the rifles went though hell and back, and I doubt some field armorer really gave a shit whether or not he was fitting an International Harvester Operating Rod on a Springfield Rifle. They were made to be serviced by a 20 years old 'Armorer' in the field.

Now if you are into the collecting aspect of it, that's cool I guess, but for me guns are simply tools. I bought mine to shoot. Not covet or oogle over. Mine is nowhere near correct, but it's a good shooter, and that's all that matters to me. :island14:

I know of a guy that won't replace the transmission seals in his C1 Corvette because it wouldn't be original to the car. He single handedly has kept Johnny Cat in business.

Whatever floats your boat. :island14:


I have plenty of shooters. I also have some that are collectors.

I have an m1903 manufactured in 1906 with stamps and marks that place it in both World Wars and I can say that more than likely it was on Iwo Jima. You look at them as tools only, great. I see something that helped shape American history. As for the Garand in the picture DAB was right, it is the rear sight that isn't correct. It is a WWII era lock bar sight, but not correct for 1942. They were replaced along the way because the older style had a tendency to fail. The original to this rifle is most likely in a field in Europe somewhere. The way the rifle sits now is exactly how it came home from the war. I could make it "original" if I wanted to but prefer this. I have a 1954 HRA that was likely went straight to storage and looks like the day it was made, 1 of the last Springfield M1s produced, a Winchester receiver with a post war Springfield barrel rifle that is a complete mix of everything and looks like it got run over by a tank at some point, a few mutts made out of spare parts... each of them the same rifle, but each of them different and awesome in their own way.

If you want a good shooter, why would you even concern yourself with a Garand in the first place? There are plenty of better shooters out there for less money. Hell, you can go to any shop and buy a .30-06 that will out shoot any Garand on the planet for $300.

Why drive a Corvette instead of a Corolla? It's just a tool... right?

[69camfrk]

I say get the Garand. A solid investment too.:seasix:

[RedLS1GTO]

interesting articles:

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/12/10/from-the-american-rifleman-archives-in-the-system-m1-garand-rebuilds/

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/2/9/redeployed-fn-m1-garands-and-carbines/

after the war, no care was given to keep complete rifles together. parts were taken off, cleaned or replaced, and a rifle was made from the pile of parts on the tables.

...which is why the rare find rifles that are exactly as they were over 70 years ago are pretty damn cool.

[DAB]

I have plenty of shooters. I also have some that are collectors.

I have an m1903 manufactured in 1906 with stamps and marks that place it in both World Wars and I can say that more than likely it was on Iwo Jima. You look at them as tools only, great. I see something that helped shape American history. As for the Garand in the picture DAB was right, it is the rear sight that isn't correct. It is a WWII era lock bar sight, but not correct for 1942. They were replaced along the way because the older style had a tendency to fail. The original to this rifle is most likely in a field in Europe somewhere. The way the rifle sits now is exactly how it came home from the war. I could make it "original" if I wanted to but prefer this. I have a 1954 HRA that was likely went straight to storage and looks like the day it was made, 1 of the last Springfield M1s produced, a Winchester receiver with a post war Springfield barrel rifle that is a complete mix of everything and looks like it got run over by a tank at some point, a few mutts made out of spare parts... each of them the same rifle, but each of them different and awesome in their own way.

If you want a good shooter, why would you even concern yourself with a Garand in the first place? There are plenty of better shooters out there for less money. Hell, you can go to any shop and buy a .30-06 that will out shoot any Garand on the planet for $300.

Why drive a Corvette instead of a Corolla? It's just a tool... right?

see that second link i posted. all original from the factory are fairly rare. if they saw combat, they likely were refurbished at some point, and there is a pretty good chance they sport mixed parts.

the old 1911 i have, was purchased from .gov in the early 60s. its frame is Springfield, but its slide is Colt. mix and match, get it back in service.

[RedLS1GTO]

see that second link i posted. all original from the factory are fairly rare. if they saw combat, they likely were refurbished at some point, and there is a pretty good chance they sport mixed parts.

the old 1911 i have, was purchased from .gov in the early 60s. its frame is Springfield, but its slide is Colt. mix and match, get it back in service.

Rare, and completely unprovable in most cases. I know I could never prove mine. The person who brought back both the M1 and 1911(and holster) in the picture was a family friend. Sadly, he has since passed and I really have absolutely no idea what he actually did in the war or any history whatsoever on either gun.

Those are 2 of the 3 guns that I own that aren't for sale. the other is my great-grandfather's .22.

[RedLS1GTO]

I say get the Garand. A solid investment too.:seasix:

No doubt about that. I've bought and sold many of them over the years and I've never lost a dollar.

[StaticCling]

Luger mixmasters can be a problem. Considering those were pretty much hand assembled...there was a reason each individual part had a serial number. Not really a practical thing when you are fighting a war, hence the P-38 and the other multitude of German handguns in service during WW2.

I was looking at a mixmaster Luger recently for purchase, late 30's production I believe. I was tempted, but after playing around with it for awhile, I noticed it had a trigger reset issue. Didn't want to pay North of 1k for something that had problems, so I passed. It looked nice though. :island14:

[JRD77VET]

My (almost) correct September '42 Springfield and '44 Remington Rand 1911A1.

Bonus points to the person that can spot what's incorrect on the Garand. :)

Luckily I was also wise enough to realize what the price of ammo was going to do so I have more m2 milsurp ammo then I could shoot in two lifetimes that I bought before the prices skyrocketed. :cool:

Gas block?

[markids77]

Have Enzo go to the CMP website and get his affiliation. Then he can choose a grade and the gun will ship straight to you. It probably will look like hell but it will have been gauged and test fired by someone who truly understands the weapon. The CMP provenance also helps increase the value in the open market.

If he wants to shoot it he only needs to watch the video here about venting gas and make the mod to match his choice of ammo. Milsurp ball IS still out there if you look as well.

[allthrottleandsomebottle]

Get at least 2.....I have had good luck with auctions and the CMP:
https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115854
:D
Goona do some horse trading for a M1 match Saturday :)

[SnikPlosskin]

they are not cheap rifles.

you can buy surplus M2 ammo (i have some, it's 147 grain).

i also have some of that Hornady 150 grain SST ammo at 3080 fps - great stuff for deer, about $1.50/round.

the M2 surplus isn't cheap, and you'll need to be involved with the CMP to keep the supply coming.

personally, pick a modern rifle if you want to learn to shoot a rifle. some flavor of an AR pattern rifle. they are easy to find, affordable, and ammo is not a problem.

Have Enzo go to the CMP website and get his affiliation. Then he can choose a grade and the gun will ship straight to you. It probably will look like hell but it will have been gauged and test fired by someone who truly understands the weapon. The CMP provenance also helps increase the value in the open market.

If he wants to shoot it he only needs to watch the video here about venting gas and make the mod to match his choice of ammo. Milsurp ball IS still out there if you look as well.

I’m sending him a link to this thread. I told him to get a real nice AR15 but he likes the history. He does have a SW m&p 22. Hasn’t shot his eye out yet.

[StaticCling]

I have plenty of shooters. I also have some that are collectors.

I have an m1903 manufactured in 1906 with stamps and marks that place it in both World Wars and I can say that more than likely it was on Iwo Jima. You look at them as tools only, great. I see something that helped shape American history. As for the Garand in the picture DAB was right, it is the rear sight that isn't correct. It is a WWII era lock bar sight, but not correct for 1942. They were replaced along the way because the older style had a tendency to fail. The original to this rifle is most likely in a field in Europe somewhere. The way the rifle sits now is exactly how it came home from the war. I could make it "original" if I wanted to but prefer this. I have a 1954 HRA that was likely went straight to storage and looks like the day it was made, 1 of the last Springfield M1s produced, a Winchester receiver with a post war Springfield barrel rifle that is a complete mix of everything and looks like it got run over by a tank at some point, a few mutts made out of spare parts... each of them the same rifle, but each of them different and awesome in their own way.

If you want a good shooter, why would you even concern yourself with a Garand in the first place? There are plenty of better shooters out there for less money. Hell, you can go to any shop and buy a .30-06 that will out shoot any Garand on the planet for $300.

Why drive a Corvette instead of a Corolla? It's just a tool... right?


I just thought your original post came across as a bit high and mighty. I interpreted it as you basically saying, if it's not completely 100% correct or close, you got ripped off and you really have to know what you are doing or you are going to get piece of garbage. You even seemed to insinuate that the CMP basically sells junk, which is bullshit. Perhaps I misread. I certainly haven't read much negative press regarding the CMP for as long as I have been reading about them (many years).

Regardless, I'm sure Pete's son doesn't need some perfect numbers matching rifle to have a good time and appreciate the history of it. I was simply trying to point out the CMP as an avenue to acquire one of these rifles at a reasonable price, and getting one that will be guaranteed to be a functional item for him to enjoy.

Sure, I have other rifles too. Many of them will 'out shoot' the M1 that I own, and that's ok. I still have a good time with it. :island14:

I never once tried to ridicule anybody for driving a Corvette or a Corolla, that's certainly their choice. If somebody chooses to wear a $5000 Rolex and they enjoy it, good one them. Same with the person that chooses to wear a Casio, that's their choice.

Outside of that, I'm sorry I offended you. I suppose it would be best for me to just shut up and go away. So, I guess, YOU WIN.

I'm sure when you are sitting around your Supper Table tonight, you can tell your family about how you shut a guy down on The Vette Barn today with my vast expertise in Military Surplus Rifles, they'll all give you a big pat on the back and say "Way to go!" and you will feel really great about yourself when you snuggle up underneath your covers tonight. :)

As for me, I'm mounting my trusty steed and riding off into the Sunset. Bye. :kimblair:

[JRD77VET]

Have Enzo go to the CMP website and get his affiliation. Then he can choose a grade and the gun will ship straight to you. It probably will look like hell but it will have been gauged and test fired by someone who truly understands the weapon. The CMP provenance also helps increase the value in the open market.

If he wants to shoot it he only needs to watch the video here about venting gas and make the mod to match his choice of ammo. Milsurp ball IS still out there if you look as well.

:iagree: Good idea going with the CMP :yesnod:

[SnikPlosskin]

I have plenty of shooters. I also have some that are collectors.

I have an m1903 manufactured in 1906 with stamps and marks that place it in both World Wars and I can say that more than likely it was on Iwo Jima. You look at them as tools only, great. I see something that helped shape American history. As for the Garand in the picture DAB was right, it is the rear sight that isn't correct. It is a WWII era lock bar sight, but not correct for 1942. They were replaced along the way because the older style had a tendency to fail. The original to this rifle is most likely in a field in Europe somewhere. The way the rifle sits now is exactly how it came home from the war. I could make it "original" if I wanted to but prefer this. I have a 1954 HRA that was likely went straight to storage and looks like the day it was made, 1 of the last Springfield M1s produced, a Winchester receiver with a post war Springfield barrel rifle that is a complete mix of everything and looks like it got run over by a tank at some point, a few mutts made out of spare parts... each of them the same rifle, but each of them different and awesome in their own way.

If you want a good shooter, why would you even concern yourself with a Garand in the first place? There are plenty of better shooters out there for less money. Hell, you can go to any shop and buy a .30-06 that will out shoot any Garand on the planet for $300.

Why drive a Corvette instead of a Corolla? It's just a tool... right?

Meh. He’s just a kid.

[StaticCling]

Retracted.

[StaticCling]

Meh. He’s just a kid.

Precisely. And you raised him well.

With all of the anti-gun rhetoric coming from every which way these days, we should be encouraging young men and women showing interest in firearms and shooting, regardless if it's practical or not.

Instead this thread snowballed into some sort of holier than thou, I know my shit better than you, dick swinging match.

A certain person (RedLS1GTO) was using comparisons of economy cars and Corvettes, then goes on to say that you can do better than an M1 and insinuating that it's dumb to want an M1 when you can buy a 'good shooter' for less money etc. Then he goes on to say all that, and then brags about all of the great M1 rifles and Milsurps he owns. WHY? Basically, his whole point is completely hypocritical when you think about it, it's hypocritical in the abstract, but it's still hypocritical.

As far as your son wanting an M1, I say that you should encourage him in every way possible. He's a good kid, and if he has an interest in one, I think that's pretty neat. You can get a good reliable rifle from the CMP, and frankly, both of you can enjoy it. Just go into it with the knowledge and understanding necessary to operate the rifle safely without damaging it. It's really not that big of a deal. So, is it practical? Not really. Are there more practical and better shooting rifles? Yes. But I still think you should encourage him and explore purchasing a piece of history.

If you have any questions about the paperwork involved and/or requirements necessary to purchase with the CMP, PM me. I went through it relatively recently so it's fresh in my mind. You can even call me if you want to. :yesnod:

[RedLS1GTO]

I just thought your original post came across as a bit high and mighty. I interpreted it as you basically saying, if it's not completely 100% correct or close, you got ripped off and you really have to know what you are doing or you are going to get piece of garbage.

Oh hell no. That was certainly not the intent. I was pointing out that as someone who is looking from the "history" aspect, it's very easy to get sucked into someone making claims about being WWII correct, etc, etc. and if you don't know any better it's easy to think you're getting something that you aren't (and paying way too much for it).

And no, he certainly doesn't need anything even close to a "correct" rifle. I still have my first Garand, a CMP service grade early 1944 Springfield receiver with a 52(?) barrel. I don't think that there is a single part on it that is correct for the receiver. I have more rounds through that one than the rest combined. I did put an old Springfield stock on it rather than the CMP stock because it just "feels" better, but other than that, it is what it is. I love that old thing. Being pieced together is in my eyes yet another look into American history. When you look at the dates, it is very likely that after WWII it went off to Korea to serve again. Whether you are talking about a time capsule original or a mix and match of parts from every manufacturer, they all have a story, they are all a part of history, and they are all fun as hell to shoot.

If my original post wasn't clear, I apologize.

[erickpl]

My (almost) correct September '42 Springfield and '44 Remington Rand 1911A1.

Bonus points to the person that can spot what's incorrect on the Garand. :)

Luckily I was also wise enough to realize what the price of ammo was going to do so I have more m2 milsurp ammo then I could shoot in two lifetimes that I bought before the prices skyrocketed. :cool:

Is it the web strap? I thought they used leather in WW2.
Or possible the front piece of wood? Looks kinda grooved, like there is a depression along the length (may just be light though).

My Garands are 1942 (March) and 1944 (April). Through CMP.

[erickpl]

Oh hell no. That was certainly not the intent. I was pointing out that as someone who is looking from the "history" aspect, it's very easy to get sucked into someone making claims about being WWII correct, etc, etc. and if you don't know any better it's easy to think you're getting something that you aren't (and paying way too much for it).

And no, he certainly doesn't need anything even close to a "correct" rifle. I still have my first Garand, a CMP service grade early 1944 Springfield receiver with a 52(?) barrel. I don't think that there is a single part on it that is correct for the receiver. I have more rounds through that one than the rest combined. I did put an old Springfield stock on it rather than the CMP stock because it just "feels" better, but other than that, it is what it is. I love that old thing. Being pieced together is in my eyes yet another look into American history. When you look at the dates, it is very likely that after WWII it went off to Korea to serve again. Whether you are talking about a time capsule original or a mix and match of parts from every manufacturer, they all have a story, they are all a part of history, and they are all fun as hell to shoot.

If my original post wasn't clear, I apologize.

Also, most WW2 era rifles were only numbers-matching correct when they left the factory. Once out in the field, they underwent maintenance at one or more depots (or even in camp). The odds of finding THAT... yeah, not gonna happen.

Both my 1942 and 1944 models are combination of parts from different M1's, so I like to say they are correct for WW2. :)

[StaticCling]

Oh hell no. That was certainly not the intent. I was pointing out that as someone who is looking from the "history" aspect, it's very easy to get sucked into someone making claims about being WWII correct, etc, etc. and if you don't know any better it's easy to think you're getting something that you aren't (and paying way too much for it).

If my original post wasn't clear, I apologize.


Allright, we're good. :kimblair:

I certainly see where you are going with this now. I agree. Vintage gun with some ridiculous 'story' behind it, or claiming it is something that it isn't.

Regardlesss, if he wants one, the CMP is probably the best way, at least the most reasonably priced way, to get an M1. :island14:

[DAB]

Allright, we're good. :kimblair:

I certainly see where you are going with this now. I agree. Vintage gun with some ridiculous 'story' behind it, or claiming it is something that it isn't.

Regardlesss, if he wants one, the CMP is probably the best way, at least the most reasonably priced way, to get an M1. :island14:

:grouphug:

:iagree:

going CMP route will take some time, but at least you don't end up paying a premium for a story that you cannot verify, but which adds $$$ to the price tag.

"ah yes, this very rifle right here was test fired by Gen. Patton himself and he then declared that the M1 Garand was the 'finest battle rifle ever', you can still see his fingerprint in the chamber, so don't ever clean it or fire it. i've included a sworn affidavit to that effect at no extra charge. that'll be $12,500 please!"

:slap:

just shoot it.

[StaticCling]

:grouphug:

:iagree:

going CMP route will take some time, but at least you don't end up paying a premium for a story that you cannot verify, but which adds $$$ to the price tag.

"ah yes, this very rifle right here was test fired by Gen. Patton himself and he then declared that the M1 Garand was the 'finest battle rifle ever', you can still see his fingerprint in the chamber, so don't ever clean it or fire it. i've included a sworn affidavit to that effect at no extra charge. that'll be $12,500 please!"

:slap:

just shoot it.

Agreed.

Speaking of stories, and I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but I was talking with one of the gun store owners in my neck of the words and Ian from Forgotten Weapons came into the conversation. If you haven't seen his Youtube channel, it's worth your while.

Anyway, apparently Ian owns a Japanese Arisaka that has the previous owners hand marks burned into the stock. Not really sure the story behind it exactly, and again I haven't been able to locate the video, but most likely the guy got fried by a flamethrower...and he didn't let go of his rifle. Dedication. :wow:

[StaticCling]

Found it!

mOnH_deRTHw

It's at the 20 minute mark.

[RedLS1GTO]

Is it the web strap? I thought they used leather in WW2.
Or possible the front piece of wood? Looks kinda grooved, like there is a depression along the length (may just be light though).

My Garands are 1942 (March) and 1944 (April). Through CMP.

The web in the picture is just a belt. The actual strap on the rifle in the picture is correct and is leather. It was not cared for well over the years and is incredibly fragile at this point. I usually keep this one in a display case. When I actually bring it out to shoot, I put a newer web strap on it so I don't ruin the original. I see what you are talking about in the picture on the front wood. That is just something in the lighting. It got lost in the mess earlier but DAB got it right off the bat. The rear sight is what is a later WWII vintage.

Regardlesss, if he wants one, the CMP is probably the best way, at least the most reasonably priced way, to get an M1. :island14:

I still think this is probably true as well. If you can get to an actual location to pick one out rather than relying on the luck of the draw I recommend it. The search can be fun and when you find the right one... :cool:

That reminds me, I need to get to Anniston at some point.

[DAB]

now when Jr. turns 21, he can enter the 1911 lottery (one pistol per person per lifetime). another way to spend about a grand.

separate program from the Garand program. yay, more forms, more rules.

[RedLS1GTO]

Also, most WW2 era rifles were only numbers-matching correct when they left the factory. Once out in the field, they underwent maintenance at one or more depots (or even in camp). The odds of finding THAT... yeah, not gonna happen.

This is why I really wish I knew the story of the one I have. The thing is "correct" with the exception of the rear sight right down to the uncut op-rod (which I also swap out if I am going to shoot it) and cleaning kit complete with grease still in the stock.

I actually got the rifle (and the 1911) through the son of the man who supposedly brought it back after he passed and his things were being dealt with. I say supposedly because as I said previously, I have absolutely no proof whatsoever of any of this. Based on the TE/MW numbers, it is a very lightly used rifle. Realistically, the thing could have never left the states or could have been pieced together out of spare parts. His son knew I was into guns so I was his first call to go through his dad's safe. I bought both the Garand (and the 1911) without any information at all. It wasn't until I tore it down that I realized that every part in it was "correct". The son knows nothing about guns in general and the only thing he knew about this one is that it was his dad's favorite, although he probably hadn't shot it "in 50 years".

Do I have that impossible find hanging on my wall? Maybe. It's cool to think I might, but I couldn't ever prove it either to myself or to anybody else.

[Grey Ghost]

now when Jr. turns 21, he can enter the 1911 lottery (one pistol per person per lifetime). another way to spend about a grand.

separate program from the Garand program. yay, more forms, more rules.

When are they going to offer up the 1911s?

[StaticCling]

I still think this is probably true as well. If you can get to an actual location to pick one out rather than relying on the luck of the draw I recommend it. The search can be fun and when you find the right one... :cool:

That reminds me, I need to get to Anniston at some point.

Service Grades are backed up pretty bad, I think they are in the process of going through those Phillipene ones right now. They looked pretty roached, well, a lot of them did....damn things were termite infested and asbestos contaminated.

I went with the Special Grade, a bit more cash, but it’s basically a completely refurbished rifle. Plus they are or at least were available for immediate shipment. I just wanted one to shoot and enjoy, not really interested in collecting them. To each their own. :)

[DAB]

When are they going to offer up the 1911s?

about 2 more weeks:

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/

good luck!

[JRD77VET]

Agreed.

Speaking of stories, and I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but I was talking with one of the gun store owners in my neck of the words and Ian from Forgotten Weapons came into the conversation. If you haven't seen his Youtube channel, it's worth your while.

Anyway, apparently Ian owns a Japanese Arisaka that has the previous owners hand marks burned into the stock. Not really sure the story behind it exactly, and again I haven't been able to locate the video, but most likely the guy got fried by a flamethrower...and he didn't let go of his rifle. Dedication. :wow:

My friend John owns a gun shop and buys collectibles. He's heard all kinds of stories and always says "Buy the piece, NOT the story".

Every single Luger offered to him seems to come from a high ranking German General. :lol: Never a regular soldier.

[Grey Ghost]

That reminds me, I need to get to Anniston at some point.

A hop and skip for me. Plus if you are that close Barber Museum is a MUST visit!

[Grey Ghost]

about 2 more weeks:

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/

good luck!

How can I find a local FFL broker that is on file with CMP?

I'm a little confused about the process.

You fill out the forms...is it best to email them on Sept. 4? Or snail mail? Or call the CS dept?

[markids77]

As much as I appreciate the contribution the CMP 1911s have made to our Country, and their historical significance I will not be participating in the current lottery. As much as I love the platform, the minimum buy in for a non-functional; cosmetically challenged relic is more than I can see paying. Even the best non auction grade pieces are described as rusted/pitted to some degree and that makes them non starters as far as I am concerned.

[DAB]

How can I find a local FFL broker that is on file with CMP?

I'm a little confused about the process.

You fill out the forms...is it best to email them on Sept. 4? Or snail mail? Or call the CS dept?

All I know is what that website says. Find a local gun shop.

[SnikPlosskin]

I think he should save his money. And focus on school. And not crash his car. And go to bed early. BTW his birthday was yesterday. 18. :dance::dance::dance:

[bsmith]

I think he should save his money. And focus on school. And not crash his car. And go to bed early. BTW his birthday was yesterday. 18. :dance::dance::dance:

A couple days ago I had typed out a response about saving the money for repairs on the new car...but deleted it. :dance:

[SnikPlosskin]

A couple days ago I had typed out a response about saving the money for repairs on the new car...but deleted it. :dance:

The new car is actually eight years old with 98k on it. It needs brakes, fluid changes, and small stuff. Turns out that motor has a timing chain so no prob there. We do the work ourselves and I’m paying for it.

Save your money still applies. We just found out his tuition is 230% more because we live out of district. Even though they have several campuses up here. WTF.

[erickpl]

The web in the picture is just a belt. The actual strap on the rifle in the picture is correct and is leather. It was not cared for well over the years and is incredibly fragile at this point. I usually keep this one in a display case. When I actually bring it out to shoot, I put a newer web strap on it so I don't ruin the original. I see what you are talking about in the picture on the front wood. That is just something in the lighting. It got lost in the mess earlier but DAB got it right off the bat. The rear sight is what is a later WWII vintage.



I still think this is probably true as well. If you can get to an actual location to pick one out rather than relying on the luck of the draw I recommend it. The search can be fun and when you find the right one... :cool:

That reminds me, I need to get to Anniston at some point.

Anniston... about 2 hrs from my house. :)

[erickpl]

This is why I really wish I knew the story of the one I have. The thing is "correct" with the exception of the rear sight right down to the uncut op-rod (which I also swap out if I am going to shoot it) and cleaning kit complete with grease still in the stock.

I actually got the rifle (and the 1911) through the son of the man who supposedly brought it back after he passed and his things were being dealt with. I say supposedly because as I said previously, I have absolutely no proof whatsoever of any of this. Based on the TE/MW numbers, it is a very lightly used rifle. Realistically, the thing could have never left the states or could have been pieced together out of spare parts. His son knew I was into guns so I was his first call to go through his dad's safe. I bought both the Garand (and the 1911) without any information at all. It wasn't until I tore it down that I realized that every part in it was "correct". The son knows nothing about guns in general and the only thing he knew about this one is that it was his dad's favorite, although he probably hadn't shot it "in 50 years".

Do I have that impossible find hanging on my wall? Maybe. It's cool to think I might, but I couldn't ever prove it either to myself or to anybody else.

Ever thought of sending Scott Duff pics of the numbers, parts, etc to help you ID how 'correct' it is? It'd be interesting to see. :)

[StaticCling]

How can I find a local FFL broker that is on file with CMP?

I'm a little confused about the process.

You fill out the forms...is it best to email them on Sept. 4? Or snail mail? Or call the CS dept?

Ask your local FFL, I'm sure they will agree to do the transfer for a nominal charge...

[RedLS1GTO]

Ever thought of sending Scott Duff pics of the numbers, parts, etc to help you ID how 'correct' it is? It'd be interesting to see. :)

Yessir. It has all been checked, verified, and catalogued. I keep spreadsheets of all of the components in my Garands (lot numbers, etc). :leaving: This one all lines up perfectly with the exception of the rear sight.

Scott did verify the stock on this one for me just to be sure.

[RedLS1GTO]

I found this attached file a long time ago and it (along with Scott Duff's books) has been a fantastic resource for knowing what is "correct". It's pretty spot on.

[Grey Ghost]

Ask your local FFL, I'm sure they will agree to do the transfer for a nominal charge...

What about the crap with the other requirements? Belonging to one of the CMP clubs, and some certification for firearms crap. I'm in a small town and checked there are none of their clubs local to me. Those two things would hold up my order package. Unless...they don't verify what you submit for those two things.

[StaticCling]

What about the crap with the other requirements? Belonging to one of the CMP clubs, and some certification for firearms crap. I'm in a small town and checked there are none of their clubs local to me. Those two things would hold up my order package. Unless...they don't verify what you submit for those two things.

Garand Collectors Association is a CMP affiliated Club, $25 per year.

Here is your foot in the door...

http://thegca.org

[erickpl]

I found this attached file a long time ago and it (along with Scott Duff's books) has been a fantastic resource for knowing what is "correct". It's pretty spot on.

Thanks! I downloaded that and will put my M1's into there and check it out. :)