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JRD77VET
08-04-2018, 8:11pm
Roger and Bill made a road trip up to Watertown NY and picked up this old metal lathe quite literally before it got scrapped. It is now safely stored at Rough and Tumble. The bed on each side is three 22' long beams joined together with wooden pegs. Roger had a good look at the underside and believes it is American Chestnut. It has a similar look to oak but holds it's shape much better and has straighter grain.

While I was getting these pictures today, the stamping in the original end carriage was discovered. In large letters are "N M" and in smaller, 1833 ( the one, the bottom of the eight and the two threes are easy to see in person ) That does fit in with the construction as this type of rail was started to be used in the mid/late 1820's.

We have no idea on who made the lathe but figured in it's original configuration was used to turn wrought iron bars for line shafting. It could handle up to about a 26" diameter between the rails . ( I forgot to measure over the carriage )

The face plate is permanently attached to the spindle. The pulleys shown are for the power feed. On the spindle, the smallest pulley ( "outside" the toothed gear ) at the end used a flat belt to turn a pulley on the bottom under the headstock. That drove a worm gear and the two pulleys gave you two carriage feeds. There is a lever to change directions too.

The rod would be clamped ( inside the wooden beams on the wall side ) and that would give about 24" of travel. If more carriage travel was need, you would retract the rod and reclamp. The carriage simply rides on the rails and a heavy, hanging weight keeps it down on the rails.

Since the tool post rocker wasn't invented yet, you adjusted the tool height by raising or lower the far end of the cross slide. Also shown is the heavy weight to keep the carriage down.

The tail stock is adjustable for side to side and that is held in position by clamping down to the underside of the lathe bed.

JRD77VET
08-04-2018, 8:13pm
rest of the pics to go with the above post

JRD77VET
08-04-2018, 8:16pm
Here's the opposite end of the lathe. They got another headstock, moved the rails tot he outside of the beams and removed portions of the bed beams to allow up to a 38" diameter piece.

Starting at the tail stock and moving towards the head

Both the tail stock and the head stock have matching drops to hold them on the rails. It looks like a forging of some type ( very well done ). Also shown is the original type tool holder before the rocker was invented.
This end does not have power feed but only a rack with about 24"-30" of hand powered travel. Also, no weight on this end as the original chain wore thru.

The third picture shows a lever and a rod. The lever is lifted and moved to the other hole and the rod either engages or disengages a dog for back gear use. It rides on brass or bronze bearing blocks. This end only has three pulleys ( these are metal ) and the original end has five speeds.

And yes, the lathe really is that big. The gentleman in full view is about 5-1/2' tall but it is a very long, extremely early metal lathe. We ( Rough and Tumble ) are extremely happy to both having saved the lathe and having it here for future display. It is under cover in an open sided "lean to". In about 10 days, they will move the steam tractors out of the building and we'll move it inside out of the weather.

MrPeabody
08-04-2018, 8:16pm
What would have likely powered it?

JRD77VET
08-04-2018, 8:27pm
What would have likely powered it?

Either an early steam engine or a water wheel.( possible a horse treadle would have worked too )

Nicolas Otto wouldn't invent his gas engine for another 30 years.

ToolMaker
08-05-2018, 7:00am
Nice save!! :seasix:
A few years after trade school, (I think 1976?), I went to work for an old valve company in Wrentham MA. Some of their oldest equipment was converted belt drive.
The old shafts and pulleys were still attached to the ceiling. The older guys said that one of the cautions you needed to be in constant awareness about was the static electricity effect on your hair as you moved under them. It would make for a very bad day if you got caught up in that! I am glad I started when I did, the equipment gave you quite a workout as it was! :cert:

allthrottleandsomebottle
08-05-2018, 10:13am
That's got some history for sure
I can only save so much due to no room...……..lots of old stuff I had to leave at the auctions for cheap too!