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DAB
08-01-2018, 1:44pm
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/article215848065.html

no wonder the kids can't do math. the teachers can't do math either.

but at least they feel good about themselves, everyone gets a trophy, and no one has to wear the dunce cap.


Almost 2,400 North Carolina elementary school teachers have failed the math portion of their licensing exams, which puts their careers in jeopardy, since the state hired Pearson publishing company to give that exam in 2013, according to a report being presented to the state Board of Education Wednesday.

Failure rates have spiked as schools around the state struggle to find teachers for the youngest children. Education officials are now echoing what frustrated teachers have been saying: The problem may lie with the exams, rather than the educators.

Teachers in Florida and Indiana have also seen mass failures when their states adopted Pearson testing, according to news reports from those states. Concern about the validity of the Pearson licensing exams is so pervasive that it was discussed at this year’s National Education Association conference, said North Carolina Association of Educators President Mark Jewell.

“I hope this doesn’t lead to a mass exodus of new teachers and exacerbate our shortages,” he said.

The Board of Education, which last month granted beginning teachers an extra year to pass, plans to review the Pearson exams to see if the tests are actually measuring skills needed to teach elementary students effectively, or whether they’re gauging math that’s generally taught in higher grades.

Jamie Duda, who spent the past year teaching language arts in a Charlotte-Mecklenburg elementary school, believes it’s the latter. Two years ago, after getting her degree from the Arizona-based University of Phoenix, she passed her Arizona licensing exams on the first try. In North Carolina she passed the reading and general curriculum portions. But she failed math, the only part handled by Pearson.

Duda says she has one child who just graduated from high school and one in ninth grade. The older child “took honors and AP math classes and could not help me on some of the practice questions,” Duda said, while the younger said he didn’t expect to learn some of the material until 11th grade.

“I am confused as to why I am being tested extremely above the math level of my degree,” said Duda, who says CMS didn’t hire her for 2018-19 because of the failing grade, even though she got “great evaluations” during her first two years teaching.

New teachers have two years to pass all their required exams and get a permanent teaching license in North Carolina. Until 2014 they took a math test known as the Praxis, with pass rates hovering around 85 percent or higher, according to a presentation being given to the Board of Education Wednesday afternoon.

The state board adopted the Pearson math exams beginning in 2014-15 in an effort to bring the teacher exams in line with what students were being tested on. The first year only 65 percent of teachers passed the new “foundations of math” exam, falling to 54.5 percent by 2016-17, the most recent year reported.

During the first three years of the Pearson exam, that represented 2,386 failures.

In July the state board voted to give school districts the option of keeping teachers on for one more year, allowing them more time to pass the licensing exams. Board member Olivia Oxendine and state Teacher of the Year Lisa Godwin, who serves as an adviser to the board, both said they’re hearing about strong elementary teachers who can’t pass the math test.

Katie Steele, a special education teacher in Alexander County, said she graduated from Appalachian State with honors in 2015, has received “wonderful evaluations” and was named her county’s first-year teacher of the year. But she’s able to keep teaching next year only because of the extension.

“Many of us have taken each one 3-4 times each,” she wrote in an email. “There seems to be a magic number of about 4 times per test before Pearson ‘passes’ you.”

Steele said she attended a training session to help her pass the math exam: “I sat and cried in this training with TONS of other beginning teachers who can’t pass these tests.” She’s expecting her scores on her latest attempt at the end of this week. Between retesting and test-prep classes, “these test are costing new teachers hundreds and thousands of dollars,” she said.

Tom Tomberlin, the human resources director for the N.C. Department of Public Instruction, was not available to answer questions before the presentation. The department has not responded to the Observer’s request for the cost of the Pearson contract.

According to the PowerPoint posted in advance, the state has named a committee of experts to review whether the Pearson test is aligned with the state’s K-8 curriculum. “A better test would be less about content knowledge and more about math knowledge to support strong teaching,” the presentation says.

The bigger question, according to the report, is whether success on licensure exams actually predicts effectiveness in the classroom. That’s going to be the focus of future study.

Read more here: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/article215848065.html#storylink=cpy


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mrvette
08-01-2018, 2:10pm
BET ODDS that test is based on the 'new math' crap they try to cloud the subject in these daze......

any takers??

I seen s few 'examples' of it on the net.....probably FB, but dunno for sure....

and it's just flat stoooooopid.......

:issues::issues:

Cybercowboy
08-01-2018, 2:20pm
“I am confused as to why I am being tested extremely above the math level of my degree,” said Duda, who says CMS didn’t hire her for 2018-19 because of the failing grade, even though she got “great evaluations” during her first two years teaching.

Wait a second. The math level of a college degree, whatever that degree is, is definitely above basic HS math. Unless she never took calculus in any form during her college years, she should even be able to do AP HS math. Sounds like she doesn't know math, at all.

mrvette
08-01-2018, 4:39pm
Wait a second. The math level of a college degree, whatever that degree is, is definitely above basic HS math. Unless she never took calculus in any form during her college years, she should even be able to do AP HS math. Sounds like she doesn't know math, at all.

All I lerned in HS +-X and div.....plus alge-bra, maybe a smattering of trig.....

but what is funny is my son in Ca. got a degree in basketweaving/communism from some dump in Oregon.....but now he is doing calc/trig/etc as a surveyor going for his Ca. license....go figger......

:D:hurray:

Stevedore
08-01-2018, 5:00pm
This sort of doesn't surprise me. My Master's degree (M.S.) in math is from a university with multiple campus locations in the area. When I started, some fellow students told me to take as many classes at the XXX campus, since that's where the "Master of Arts in Teaching" degree program was based, and even though the math classes had the same catalog name, they were easier because they had to cater to the math teachers in the program. I took a few there, and they were right. The teachers seemed to really struggle with the master's level classes. Admittedly, none of that coursework would have pertained to HS level teaching, but still......

Cybercowboy
08-01-2018, 6:15pm
This sort of doesn't surprise me. My Master's degree (M.S.) in math is from a university with multiple campus locations in the area. When I started, some fellow students told me to take as many classes at the XXX campus, since that's where the "Master of Arts in Teaching" degree program was based, and even though the math classes had the same catalog name, they were easier because they had to cater to the math teachers in the program. I took a few there, and they were right. The teachers seemed to really struggle with the master's level classes. Admittedly, none of that coursework would have pertained to HS level teaching, but still......

I did a lot of tutoring in college to make a little cash. Math, Physics, and Chemistry. I had the hardest time tutoring the people who were non-STEM majors who were taking a class like "Statistics" and whatever they called the pseudo-calculus they made non-STEM majors take. It was so weird and dumbed-down to the point where I honestly could not figure out what it was they were trying to do, but knew for sure how to do it a "normal" way. Got to the point where someone would ask me to tutor them in those classes and I'd turn them down. I took a grad-level STEM class called "Statistical Analysis" and it was basically advanced differential equation solving, along with a bunch of computer coding to do various sorts of simulations like Monte Carlo or whatever. Mentioned that I was taking a statistics class to my wife, who was a comp-sci major. She said "Oh, I had that class when I was a sophomore." Uh, no. No you did not.

DAB
08-01-2018, 6:27pm
i took differential equations. then advanced diff. equations.

then i got a job. never touched those topics again.

Cybercowboy
08-02-2018, 7:58am
i took differential equations. then advanced diff. equations.

then i got a job. never touched those topics again.

Same here. Never once had to work those problems since I graduated, but it's still good to know that I at least remember that you need to solve them to work certain types of problems.

DAB
08-02-2018, 9:57am
all the engineering problems i ever ran into had solutions that could be done on a slide rule or calculator with simple math. 3 significant figures was plenty. and if in doubt, add 20%.

yes, i have an old slide rule. :dance:

mrvette
08-02-2018, 1:33pm
After 15 years in the TV/Appl repair trade, I finally got a mucho better job with a smaller electronic mfg. co.....pulse field metal detectors ......and the PHD EE who owned the company, asked me about a scope trace on the test bench....

and the energy transfer involved.....and between the on time and the off time return electron magnetic pulse....spike/collapsing field.....

and my reply shocked him......'the AREA under the curves is/should be the same......I guess I wuz one of the few ET's that had the answer to the question.....look at enough traces from the scan rates of old TV sets, you get the drift....if not....well.......

Good old Tektronics......my 453 sets in the closet.....:seasix::hurray: