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The picture is of the base for a toilet. You can see the ring that holds the two bolts to affix the toilet is rusted away, so, how do I remove this and put a new one in? Take a crowbar and pry it up? Will it damage the main down piping? How do I affix the new base? 2 Part epoxy?
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mrvette
10-06-2017, 6:48pm
From the white color, I have to ASSume the pipe itself is PVC, and so would be glued....I see that looks like a rusted out iron/steel bolt ring on it, and for ME, that's a first.....I would head to Lowes Depot and ask their plumbing dept...they have some decent help there on Saturdaze......
I THINK there has to be a way to cut that pipe off the steel, and then glue on a new PVC flange....and when you seat the toilet on it, make sure to grout all the tile under the toilet, and when it's seated with fresh wax gasket, make sure to grout under the toilet pattern, adds extra stability to the unit on a hard tile floor, it's almost mandatory.....use GROUT, not some caulk from a tube....
PVC plumbing cement out of a can with a brush on it, is the way to go to get that new flange on to the pipe.....
:seasix:
PS...if you scrape that rusty looking flange, and find enough steel/iron on it, maybe just double up on the wax ring seals, and call it a day.....gotta get the rust off though, don't have to be PURRfect, but damn clean....:issues:
lspencer534
10-06-2017, 6:50pm
Can't tell from your pic whether it's rusted away or not. In any event, I wouldn't worry too much about its condition: A new wax ring will likely seal it. Just slide in new bolts, install the was ring, and tighten it down. I'll bet you have no leaks. Do use the extra-large was ring, though. If it's really rusted away so that it won't hold new bolts, then my opinion changes.
StaticCling
10-06-2017, 6:58pm
I don't think you need to replace it. You can get new bolts that fit in those elongated holes, they just loosely fit in them anyway. Basically when you tighten the nut on the other side of the toilet, it clamps everything down. Their is a clip type fitting on the ends of those bolts that facilitates cinching everything down.
And do everything that Gene mentioned as far as cleaning of the flange and doing the grout. Buy an extra wax ring or two just in case.
Can't tell from your pic whether it's rusted away or not. In any event, I wouldn't worry too much about its condition: A new wax ring will likely seal it. Just slide in new bolts, install the was ring, and tighten it down. I'll bet you have no leaks. Do use the extra-large was ring, though. If it's really rusted away so that it won't hold new bolts, then my opinion changes.
Yes, rusted away so it won't hold a bolt on one side. I just removed the old metal ring, in pieces, so I'm left with the PVC center that seems to have a lip on it that the metal ring was under. How do I get a new metal ring on, and what kind of sealant do I need to affix the ring that will hold the toilet securely to the concrete?
Jeff '79
10-06-2017, 7:13pm
There is a ring that you can buy, silicone the bottom, screw it on, and then put your toilet back as usual. It is PVC.
I think that I have one in the barn.
I'll take a pic and post it in a bit.
I'm not hunting for it so here is a pic from Google.
13715
Bad pic but go to Blows and show it to the guy or just hunt for it for 20 minutes, and then ask the guy. :D
It works. It's cheap. Winning.:dance:
A spanner flange might work if it's not that degraded.
The extra large wax ring is a must after this fix.
OR
If you have basement access, just cut it out and redo it.
OddBall
10-06-2017, 7:21pm
Bunch of YouTube's out there on doing just what you're doing.
Jeff '79
10-06-2017, 7:23pm
Bunch of YouTube's out there on doing just what you're doing.
Pffft ! It's funner to see who don't knows squat, but pretends to. :seasix:
:ball:
D'ju see what I did there?
I removed the metal ring, in pieces, leaving the PVC intact. The PVC has a lip on it, so how do I get a new ring to hold the toilet on?
See pic.
There is a ring that you can buy, silicone the bottom, screw it on, and then put your toilet back as usual. It is PVC.
I think that I have one in the barn.
I'll take a pic and post it in a bit.
I'm not hunting for it so here is a pic from Google.
13715
Bad pic but go to Blows and show it to the guy or just hunt for it for 20 minutes, and then ask the guy. :D
It works. It's cheap. Winning.:dance:
The extra large wax ring is a must after this fix.
OR
If you have basement access, just cut it out and redo it.
I'm attaching that directly to the small lip area of the existing PVC? Doesn't seem to secure to me.
Edit: Basement? :rofl: The water table is about 1 foot below the slab. We don't have no stinkin' basements on the Gulf Coast!
Jeff '79
10-06-2017, 7:29pm
I removed the metal ring, in pieces, leaving the PVC intact. The PVC has a lip on it, so how do I get a new ring to hold the toilet on?
See pic.
Get a split ring like at 1:30
BOZay8ONQrg
Get a split ring like at 1:30
BOZay8ONQrg
He says, "if you're stupid enough to put them in...."
Sounds like he doesn't much like that split ring, plus, it didn't look heavy enough to hold down a toilet.
From the white color, I have to ASSume the pipe itself is PVC, and so would be glued....I see that looks like a rusted out iron/steel bolt ring on it, and for ME, that's a first.....I would head to Lowes Depot and ask their plumbing dept...they have some decent help there on Saturdaze......
I THINK there has to be a way to cut that pipe off the steel, and then glue on a new PVC flange....and when you seat the toilet on it, make sure to grout all the tile under the toilet, and when it's seated with fresh wax gasket, make sure to grout under the toilet pattern, adds extra stability to the unit on a hard tile floor, it's almost mandatory.....use GROUT, not some caulk from a tube....
PVC plumbing cement out of a can with a brush on it, is the way to go to get that new flange on to the pipe.....
:seasix:
PS...if you scrape that rusty looking flange, and find enough steel/iron on it, maybe just double up on the wax ring seals, and call it a day.....gotta get the rust off though, don't have to be PURRfect, but damn clean....:issues:
Flange now no longer with us. PVC intact. Let's go from there.
Jeff '79
10-06-2017, 7:39pm
He says, "if you're stupid enough to put them in...."
Sounds like he doesn't much like that split ring, plus, it didn't look heavy enough to hold down a toilet.
No, that was for something else, not the split ring.
If this video don't give you a clue, call a plumber. :Jeff '79:
This guy is good, sans the Brooklyn accent.
No, that was for something else, not the split ring.
If this video don't give you a clue, call a plumber. :Jeff '79:
This guy is good, sans the Brooklyn accent.
http://ericdye.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Challenge-Accepted-Meme.jpg
Off to Homey Depot.
Jeff '79
10-06-2017, 7:46pm
http://ericdye.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Challenge-Accepted-Meme.jpg
Off to Homey Depot.
Get the closet bolts that he suggested too.
They are soooo easy compared to the regular ones that fall through and have to be cut.
Black94lt1
10-06-2017, 7:52pm
Get a split ring like at 1:30
BOZay8ONQrg
Yep, split ring is your friend in this case.
OK, Jeff's New Yawwk guy is correct. Got split ring and concrete screws, will let everything bleach-n-dry overnight and put it together tomorrow.
Thanks, folks!
Jeff '79
10-06-2017, 8:38pm
OK, Jeff's New Yawwk guy is correct. Got split ring and concrete screws, will let everything bleach-n-dry overnight and put it together tomorrow.
Thanks, folks!
Pro tip:
Shove a plastic bag or a rag into the hole until you're ready to fix it.:seasix:
Pro tip:
Shove a plastic bag or a rag into the hole until you're ready to fix it.:seasix:
How do you expect me to pee in the hole tonight with a rag in it?
Jeff '79
10-06-2017, 8:48pm
How do you expect me to pee in the hole tonight with a rag in it?
:Jeff '79:
You know the drill....
Pee outside.
OddBall
10-06-2017, 8:58pm
Taking a shit in that pipe is going to be a real bitch. I hope you ate your vegetables.
Taking a shit in that pipe is going to be a real bitch.
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Jeff '79
10-06-2017, 9:01pm
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
OddBall
10-06-2017, 9:13pm
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
:iagree::funnier: :funnier: :funnier:
SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84
10-07-2017, 2:26am
:rofl:
Jeff '79
10-07-2017, 4:47pm
:ball:
:ball:
Sprayed bleach on the area a couple of hours ago. Will reconstruct everything when it's dry.....tomorrow, because laziness. Also, charging dead batteries on cordless drill to drill pilot holes in concrete for the new ring. But mainly laziness.
SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84
10-07-2017, 6:41pm
But mainly laziness.
One of my most useful tools, always keep a good supply!:seasix:
MrPeabody
10-07-2017, 6:48pm
We changed our toilet out for a new one recently when I put in a new bathroom floor. Having only one bathroom gives a certain sense of urgency to the project. It turned out my great nephew who is 15 years old had changed several of them for his grandmother, where I had no experience at all.
Took out old toilet, laid floor, installed new toilet. The new one came with everything needed in the box. Luckily, no problems. Total time without toilet, about two hours. Didn't even have a problem getting rid of the old one, which was in good working condition. The only reason for changing it was if I had to pull it out to do the floor, why not just install a new one. The manager of the mobile home park is renovating several vacated mobile homes, so she took it off my hands.
Jeff '79
10-07-2017, 6:52pm
That's a Gene story if I ever heard one.... :seasix:
JRD77VET
10-08-2017, 8:34pm
Sprayed bleach on the area a couple of hours ago. Will reconstruct everything when it's dry.....tomorrow, because laziness. Also, charging dead batteries on cordless drill to drill pilot holes in concrete for the new ring. But mainly laziness.
Does the magic silver handle work again or you shitting in a bucket? :confused5:
OddBall
10-08-2017, 10:35pm
Does the magic silver handle work again or you shitting in a bucket? :confused5:
:iagree:
Does the magic silver handle work again or you shitting in a bucket? :confused5:
Houston, we have a crapper! Put it back together, sunk 6 screws to hold the new ring in place. I didn't grout the edge of the toilet, though, as was recommended. Maybe later.
OddBall
10-09-2017, 10:53pm
Has it been stress tested yet?
Has it been stress tested yet?
Let's just say the immovable object just met a Hell of a movement.
The Gap Band - You Dropped A Bomb On Me - YouTube
OddBall
10-09-2017, 11:01pm
:seasix:
OddBall
10-09-2017, 11:34pm
Let's just say the immovable object just met a Hell of a movement.
The Gap Band - You Dropped A Bomb On Me - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17lkdqoLt44)
Somehow this scene comes to mind :funnier:
Crack In The World - YouTube
Jeff '79
10-10-2017, 6:24am
Houston, we have a crapper! Put it back together, sunk 6 screws to hold the new ring in place. I didn't grout the edge of the toilet, though, as was recommended. Maybe later.
Total price tag for the fix ?
~$20 ?
Nice!
Total price tag for the fix ?
~$20 ?
Nice!
Probably around that. Got the rubber "wax ring," and had to buy a concrete drill bit and concrete screws, in addition to the split ring mounting bracket.
Not sure about the grouting. Am I supposed to mix some up, then just push it between the toilet and tile with my fingers? I'm guessing I won't be able to match 20 year old grout.
mrvette
10-10-2017, 10:02am
Probably around that. Got the rubber "wax ring," and had to buy a concrete drill bit and concrete screws, in addition to the split ring mounting bracket.
Not sure about the grouting. Am I supposed to mix some up, then just push it between the toilet and tile with my fingers? I'm guessing I won't be able to match 20 year old grout.
EH, should be able to get close enough on color, and yes just slop some on the floor in various spots, and push up/under the toilet with a wet sponge, and wipe the excess clean off especially the floor tile which is typically grainy/rough surface and will be harder to scrub the slop off when hard.....
I had commented to grout all the open tile space under the toilet, but it's too late now, not to worry over it....but do the flange/edge grouting...because that floor is irregular and just some small edges of the toilet are supporting all that weight......hardened grout will help distribute that load.....I seen lots of toilets with broken base on them from that issue....
:issues:
JRD77VET
10-10-2017, 6:34pm
Houston, we have a crapper! Put it back together, sunk 6 screws to hold the new ring in place. I didn't grout the edge of the toilet, though, as was recommended. Maybe later.
Life is good :hurray:
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