This Just In: Trump to Ban Transgender from the Military

[Bill]

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[VITE1]

More winning.

Transgender issue is a metal issue. We do not allow mentally ill people to join the military.

[onedef92]

It could be construed as a cost-saving measure. Since the first week of October in 2016, the government began paying for gender reassignment treatments and surgeries for eligible soldiers — an estimated expense between $2.4 million to $8.4 million per year.

There are between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender troops in the active-duty force of 1.3 million, according the RAND Corp. which conducted a study for the Pentagon. Of those troops, RAND estimates that between 30 and 140 would like hormone treatment, and 25 to 130 would seek surgery.

[snide]

It could be construed as a cost-saving measure. Since the first week of October in 2016, the government began paying for gender reassignment treatments and surgeries for eligible soldiers — an estimated expense between $2.4 million to $8.4 million per year.

There are between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender troops in the active-duty force of 1.3 million, according the RAND Corp. which conducted a study for the Pentagon. Of those troops, RAND estimates that between 30 and 140 would like hormone treatment, and 25 to 130 would seek surgery.

I don't want my tax dollars paying for this shit.

[Thunder22]

"Join the US Military, where you will learn to shoot with your rifle and get your gun removed"

[onedef92]

I'll bet ol' "Mad Dog" Mattis is breathing easier....

[MrPeabody]

"Join the US Military, where you will learn to shoot with your rifle and get your gun removed"

"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This one's for killing this one is gone."

[6spdC6]

There are a heck of a lot more straight people in this country than weirdo's (and weirdo supporters) and they are getting rather sick and tired of having all this bullshit forced on them. GO TRUMPH!:hurray:

The military is sure not a place to do dumb/ feel good social engineering!:clap:

[OddBall]

I don't want my tax dollars paying for this shit.

:iagree: 1000% There. Right f'cking there. What Snide said

"Join the US Military, where you will learn to shoot with your rifle and get your gun removed"
:funnier: :funnier:

"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This one's for killing this one is gone."
:funnier: :funnier:

[VatorMan]

So does that mean that the companies and sports leagues won't play in any state with the military-just like they did with N. Carolina ? It's going to be a short College football season this year.

[69camfrk]

I can't wait to see CBS news tonight. The libs are going to come unglued!!! It is past time to get our military back on track Its job is to kill people and break shit. Not get some nut job a wiener tuck, or vice versa. Obama was the worst thing to ever hit the military, and our country in general.

[Cybercowboy]

http://i.imgur.com/TOQZaV7.png

You can probably guess what "gage their nuvagina" means. :leaving:

[stingraymyway]

Good. It's about time we had leadership with balls.

[StaticCling]

You don't have a 'right' to serve in the Military, it's a privilege. The Military rejects people all the time with medical, mental and physical conditions...

How can you deploy an individual that requires regular hormone treatments because of the gender they choose to be? How do you get required medicine to a combat zone? How is this practical military necessity? It's a logistical f**king nightmare.

Army's are suppose to fight wars, not pander to a minority or lower common denominator demanding special treatment. Hurt feelings don't matter in combat.

It's the right decision...

[Shrike6]

They have never shied away from separating or threatening to separate people with more benign medical needs than that. There is no need for such nonsense in the .mil

[boracayjohnny]

http://i.imgur.com/TOQZaV7.png

You can probably guess what "gage their nuvagina" means. :leaving:

The war zone will tax you physically and mentally to the max. This is coming from an Air Force guy that never went outside the wire. The days of "Making shit happen" due to a very fluid work situation was just about every fukking one. Add all the other difficulties of shitty conditions and it's a powder keg.
Now imagine the Army/Marines/Spec Ops further out in the shit and it's even worse. Further, every deployment resulted in couples fighting over long distance internet or telephone. There were couples that separated and divorces later resulted on every deployment. Add all of that together and the mental struggle on a person deployed was the max possible. Now, there are folks that want transgender folks added to this mix. I can see it already...person is having problems focusing on the work due to mental difficulties. The other workers are having to pick up persons slack and deal with all the added drama...in a war zone. Fukk that.

The war zone is no place for experiments in mental wellness.

Just my two cents. Flame suit on. Fukk it.

Edit to add:

I've seen people that were mentally healthy stateside and then have lesser and more degrees of melting after a while in the war zone. The more degrees were not pretty. Tell me how taking someone already having mental difficulties to a war zone will add to the capabilities?

[Aerovette]

Transgenders are "Tho mad they could thpit". :D

[boracayjohnny]

Transgenders are "Tho mad they could thpit". :D

:rofl::lol:

[69camfrk]

Transgenders are "Tho mad they could thpit". :D

Thooper!:rofl:

[OddBall]

Transgenders are "Tho mad they could thpit". :D

:funnier:

[Kerrmudgeon]

So I guess he's just fired the 2500 trans he's got in the military? ....such an asshole! :slap:

He doesn't have the balls to do it in a new conference like a normal person....he ****ing TWEETS it.....damn coward.

[Olustee bus]

It is a practical matter. Practical matters don't mean crap anymore though. There will be a battle and lawmakers will be at it for a long time.

[Sea Six]

It is a practical matter. Practical matters don't mean crap anymore though. There will be a battle and lawmakers will be at it for a long time.

I don't think so.

The President is the Commander-In-Chief of the armed forces.

What he says goes. Period, full stop.

[Broken Wind]

So I guess he's just fired the 2500 trans he's got in the military?




Hope so. They aren't needed and their negatives far outweigh their positives.

[VatorMan]

So I guess he's just fired the 2500 trans he's got in the military? ....such an asshole! :slap:

He doesn't have the balls to do it in a new conference like a normal person....he ****ing TWEETS it.....damn coward.

Once again Why do you care ? NOT YOUR COUNTRY. Look to your own leadership that PAYS to have Americans killed. THAT'S a ****ing coward.

[Sea Six]

Pretty sure they can move to Canada and enlist.

Trudeau seems to revel in his transgender military. I heard they're actually promoting the idea of trannys in service.

[Sea Six]

Canada promotes recruitment of transgender troops as Donald Trump imposes military ban

Canada promotes recruitment of transgender troops as Donald Trump imposes military ban (http://a.msn.com/r/2/AAoSzqS?a=1&m=EN-CA)

[Cybercowboy]

According to Lady Gaga, 45% of transexuals between the ages of 18 and 24 have attempted suicide. So let's put them into a high stress environment where it will be difficult or impossible to administer timely treatment, and just see how that works. That's what Obama did last year. Now it's corrected, and these people can do their thing elsewhere, just like people who have food allergies, or hearing loss, or bad eyesight, or any number of things that keep you out of the military.

[DAB]

According to Lady Gaga, 45% of transexuals between the ages of 18 and 24 have attempted suicide. So let's put them into a high stress environment where it will be difficult or impossible to administer timely treatment, and just see how that works. That's what Obama did last year. Now it's corrected, and these people can do their thing elsewhere, just like people who have food allergies, or hearing loss, or bad eyesight, or any number of things that keep you out of the military.

or bad hearts, or too fat......

[snide]

So I guess he's just fired the 2500 trans he's got in the military? ....such an asshole! :slap:

He doesn't have the balls to do it in a new conference like a normal person....he ****ing TWEETS it.....damn coward.

Why the disdain for Trump? Did he grab you by the ***** or something? :confused5:

[DAB]

Why the disdain for Trump? Did he grab you by the ***** or something? :confused5:

he's just mad that he couldn't vote for Hillary.

[VITE1]

So I guess he's just fired the 2500 trans he's got in the military? ....such an asshole! :slap:

He doesn't have the balls to do it in a new conference like a normal person....he ****ing TWEETS it.....damn coward.

Being transsexual is a MENTAL disease. So you are for having people with severe mental illness in the military?

[Iron Chef]

Canada promotes recruitment of transgender troops as Donald Trump imposes military ban

Well now...lets see...


NDP defence critic Randall Garrison said Trump's ban is based on ignorance and hate and predicted it will weaken military cohesion.

He called on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to condemn the "despicable directive" to show that Canada respects human rights and stands up against discrimination.

"It is wrong and must be called out," he said in a statement.

Because back in WWII, when these guys landed on the beaches at Normandy on D-Day, there was no military cohesion? I love these guys who call for condemnations and censures. It's the puzzy way of making it look like you're taking action without really doing something. :spdchk:

"Service to one's country is of the highest honour. Transgender people who are currently in the military and those who wish to serve are, in many ways, the bravest of the brave."

:skep: :skep: :skep: :skep:

Whole lotta WTF right there. Just wait until they try to "open a dialog" with some Muslim zealot. We'll see how brave they really are. :Jeff '79: :Jeff '79:

[VatorMan]

After the fact transgender ? Go right ahead. Enlist and serve.

Before the fact and want to put your unit (pun intended) at risk during your transformation and have the .Gov on the hook for your operations and medicine ? No.

Anyone that can't see how these things differ, I've got nothing for you. BTW- the military is full of guys and girls that have mental issues. As a leader, you learn to deal with them. Dealing with transgender during transformation is not being fair to those leaders or their charges.

[Kerrmudgeon]

What that fool does in office directly affects Canadians as well. We're your biggest trading partner. It's been a mutually beneficial relationship for hundreds of years. He's jeopardizing that.
It's hard not to hear what he's up to.....it's on our news everyday.
Now the idiot wants to fire his attorney general, or anyone else that disagrees with him, talk about God complex!....:rofl:

:rofl:.......and by the way, I don't like ours either.
http://img.wennermedia.com/480-width/rolling-stone-justin-trudeau-cover-2017-3d7aab17-2daa-494f-ae91-9e1852456ba6.jpg

[DAB]

:rolleyes:

[Aerovette]

So I guess he's just fired the 2500 trans he's got in the military? ....such an asshole! :slap:

He doesn't have the balls to do it in a new conference like a normal person....he ****ing TWEETS it.....damn coward.

I'm sure they can find an under the desk job somewhere. :Jeff '79:

I guess he should have sent a telegraph in Morse code if we are to ignore the trending forms of communication.

Obviously tweets get the job done or know one would know about the issue.

[Cybercowboy]

Castro's son Justin gave $10.5 million to an American soldier-killing terrorist because that makes total sense. Trump may or may not fire Sessions, but since he *hired him*, he can *fire him* and hire a guy who won't immediately recuse himself from pretty much everything. However, I think it's more likely than not that the whole supposed dust-up between Trump and Sessions is carefully crafted to give the impression that there is a problem. The effect of it has democrats now defending Sessions, and that's when the other shoe drops. You think Trump is a fool. I assure you he is nobody's fool. Oh, also, renegotiating NAFTA is a great idea. We should have unilateral and mutually beneficial trade agreements between individual nations. Overarching multi-lateral trade agreements are fraught with all sorts of corruption and behind-the-scenes deals that benefit a few powerful people. And if, for whatever reason, Canada decides they just can't do business with the USA, I'll just leave it to you to figure out who gets hurt most.

[DAB]

good call. Canada doesn't like Trump, so Canada should shut off all trade to show their displeasure. do it today, don't wait. shut down the Windsor Bridge, all crossings of commercial nature (tourist money still welcome of course). you'll have Trump begging in 2 weeks. that'll show him, and us.

[Fasglas]

And if, for whatever reason, Canada decides they just can't do business with the USA, I'll just leave it to you to figure out who gets hurt most.

Well said. :yesnod:

[VITE1]

What that fool does in office directly affects Americans as well. We're your biggest trading partner. It's been a mutually beneficial relationship for hundreds of years. He's jeopardizing that.
It's hard not to hear what he's up to.....it's on our news everyday.
Now the idiot wants to pay a Muslim murderer million of dollar and let 10's of thousand more Muslim into the North American continent. What an idiot. :rofl:

:rofl:.......and by the way, I don't like ours either. But after 8 years of Obama I'd take pretty much anyone whose not a leftist Democrat.


Look it it from our perspective.

[DAB]

believe it or not, but we didn't choose our president based on what Canada thought was best for Canada. we chose our president based on what was best for us.

[Thunder22]

Head of the Joint Chiefs just said "hold on....." until we get an official statement etc and it's vetted, it's status quo for now.

[DAB]

Head of the Joint Chiefs just said "hold on....." until we get an official statement etc and it's vetted, it's status quo for now.

Get with the program General.

[Bill]

Get with the program General.

It seems reasonable for a plan to be developed that addresses all the what ifs and what abouts before taking action. If we have people who have current contracts with the military, those contracts need to be honored and those folks should be allowed to serve out their enlistment. Having said that, i don't want to pay for people to have stuff added or removed, and I think that's just a bridge too far for most taxpayers.

[VatorMan]

:funnier:

[VITE1]

AS a reminder to those on the left.

Ash Carter UNILATERALLY went ahead and changed the policy against teh advise of his officers.

Mattis Should Hit Pause on Obama-Era Decision to Let Transgender Individuals Serve in Military (http://dailysignal.com/2017/05/31/mattis-hit-pause-obama-era-decision-let-transgender-individuals-serve-military/)

It's a bitch when Karma bites.

[SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84]

Canada has always had a 'little brother' complex... Turdeau verifies it.

...Because without America, there is no free world. - Canada Free Press

Canada Free Press (http://canadafreepress.com/)

[VatorMan]

Canada has always had a 'little transgender 'complex... Turdeau verifies it.

Fixeded.

[DAB]

secretly, they wanted to kick the King out too, but were too polite, so the French took over the center.

[boracayjohnny]

It seems reasonable for a plan to be developed that addresses all the what ifs and what abouts before taking action. If we have people who have current contracts with the military, those contracts need to be honored and those folks should be allowed to serve out their enlistment. Having said that, i don't want to pay for people to have stuff added or removed, and I think that's just a bridge too far for most taxpayers.

Nope, out as soon as possible. Give 'em a parting gift of $$$ and call it good. What happens to folks that get one or more DUIs, develop a severe medical condition, or can't adapt to the military? See ya, that's what. There's no difference now with the transgender dealy-o. Just because "The government" changed it's mind also makes no difference. One thing I heard many, many times, "The needs of the Air Force". That means you'll go to a less than ideal base for your next assignment as just one example.

[DAB]

your enlistment contract is a one way deal. you can't leave before it is done, but they can say they've had enough of you, "have a nice day".

you think you have a right to be in the military?

[boracayjohnny]

your enlistment contract is a one way deal. you can't leave before it is done, but they can say they've had enough of you, "have a nice day".

you think you have a right to be in the military?

One can leave early since there are ways but the rules are tilted in Uncle's favor, in general. So it is kinda wonky but many know/find out at least in their first enlistment.

[NavyC5]

One can leave early since there are ways but the rules are tilted in Uncle's favor, in general. So it is kinda wonky but many know/find out at least in their first enlistment.

This is a true statement. Here's how I see this playing out. Six years as a First Sergeant gave me an in depth knowledge of situations like this.

Young Mr/Ms. transgender has a couple of options.
1). Finish out your current enlistment and since the new policy doesn't allow you to serve, you get your bus ticket home, thanks for playing.
2). Same person raises a stink, starts making threats to "sue" or starts making negative comments about the President. Boom, disciplinary action in the form of an Article 15 followed quickly by an administrative separation. Poor little Mr/Ms can file a congressional complaint, but guess what, you weren't kicked out for being trans, you were kicked out because your mouth overran your ass. A stink will be made, you might make a guest appearance on CNN but in 6 months people will forget about you.
3). You decide you're no longer transgender and continue on in your career.

That's about it.

Like it or not, President Trump is the Commander in Chief of the United States military and his orders, even by Tweet have the full weight of law. This whole "wait to see what the Pentagon" says is crap. It's over, done.

[boracayjohnny]

This is a true statement. Here's how I see this playing out. Six years as a First Sergeant gave me an in depth knowledge of situations like this.

Young Mr/Ms. transgender has a couple of options.
1). Finish out your current enlistment and since the new policy doesn't allow you to serve, you get your bus ticket home, thanks for playing.
2). Same person raises a stink, starts making threats to "sue" or starts making negative comments about the President. Boom, disciplinary action in the form of an Article 15 followed quickly by an administrative separation. Poor little Mr/Ms can file a congressional complaint, but guess what, you weren't kicked out for being trans, you were kicked out because your mouth overran your ass. A stink will be made, you might make a guest appearance on CNN but in 6 months people will forget about you.
3). You decide you're no longer transgender and continue on in your career.

That's about it.

Like it or not, President Trump is the Commander in Chief of the United States military and his orders, even by Tweet have the full weight of law. This whole "wait to see what the Pentagon" says is crap. It's over, done.

Cliffs: (for #2)

How to get your attention whore ass punked.

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But wait, Gen Dunford may be the first CJCoS, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, to override a POTUS.

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...or maybe not. :Jeff '79:

[DAB]

Sec. Mattis, you have 20 minutes to make this happen. Time started 10 min ago. Why are you still sitting here?

[boracayjohnny]

Sec. Mattis, you have 20 minutes to make this happen. Time started 10 min ago. Why are you still sitting here?

:Jeff '79: Pretty much.

I'm actually surprised with the comment from the Pentagon of, basically, "Not so fast". I'm wondering if that came from a senior civilian since that would be professional suicide for a General to say that.

[DAB]

:Jeff '79: Pretty much.

I'm actually surprised with the comment from the Pentagon of, basically, "Not so fast". I'm wondering if that came from a senior civilian since that would be professional suicide for a General to say that.

Came from the chairman of the joint chiefs. He better check his locks in the morning. Your job General is to salute and get to work.

[DAB]

Someone on the news tonight lamented that tweets don't count. Want to bet?

[Broken Wind]

What Dunford means with his "wait a minute" comment is POTUS sets the policy, and now the lawyers and leadership have to figure out how to do it without creating a bigger mess than already exists.

[boracayjohnny]

Came from the chairman of the joint chiefs. He better check his locks in the morning. Your job General is to salute and get to work.

I'm seeing he was appointed in 2015. Who was POTUS then? We all know Gen Mattis didn't make CJCoS but is now Secretary of Defense. Gee, I wonder why that happened.

[DAB]

Remember when Bush 41 watched the Kuwait invasion and said on camera "this will not stand"?

Gen. Powell knew right then that he was going to war. He didn't say "hold on sir". He got his shit together and made it happen.

[boracayjohnny]

What Dunford means with his "wait a minute" comment is POTUS sets the policy, and now the lawyers and leadership have to figure out how to do it without creating a bigger mess than already exists.

“I know there are questions about yesterday’s announcement,” Dunford began, adding that nothing would change until the president’s direction has been received by Mattis and Mattis has issued “implementation guidance.”

Gen. Joseph Dunford says transgender policy unchanged for now - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/27/pentagon-caught-flat-footed-on-trumps-transsexual-/)

Really dude? You spent how many years telling folks to follow your orders and then you make this statement? I'd say Mattis received that shit loud and clear. Further, start brainstorming with your inner circle on the how. You know the military teaches you to have solutions ready with questions you have for your boss.

Fukk, even Privates have used more brains than this.

[VatorMan]

“I know there are questions about yesterday’s announcement,” Dunford began, adding that nothing would change until the president’s direction has been received by Mattis and Mattis has issued “implementation guidance.”

Gen. Joseph Dunford says transgender policy unchanged for now - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/27/pentagon-caught-flat-footed-on-trumps-transsexual-/)

Really dude? You spent how many years telling folks to follow your orders and then you make this statement? I'd say Mattis received that shit loud and clear. Further, start brainstorming with your inner circle on the how. You know the military teaches you to have solutions ready with questions you have for your boss.

Fukk, even Privates have used more brains than this.

The next McCain. He's becoming a politician.

[DAB]

Trump to Dunford: do you understand English? You have 5 min to carry out my order or I'll find someone else to replace you. Time started 4 min ago.

[boracayjohnny]

Trump to Dunford: do you understand English? You have 5 min to carry out my order or I'll find someone else to replace you. Time started 4 min ago.

:rofl::lol:

[Kerrmudgeon]

good call. Canada doesn't like Trump, so Canada should shut off all trade to show their displeasure. do it today, don't wait. shut down the Windsor Bridge, all crossings of commercial nature (tourist money still welcome of course). you'll have Trump begging in 2 weeks. that'll show him, and us.

over react much?....:rubbish:

[Kerrmudgeon]

All the fake news comments on Canada by you all is a perfect example of the one sided flow of current events in your country. We get your news from your networks and ours, while all you get is snippets of crap that your networks deem will rile folks up or make good bias news about our country. When was the last time you watched a Canadian news program on a Canadian network?
Open your eyes and realize the brain washing that's going on in your country.
:rubbish:

[DAB]

:rolleyes:

"We have the truth!"

[Kerrmudgeon]

:rolleyes:

"We have the truth!"

Ya...you just keep telling yourself that. :rofl:......what a joke.

[boracayjohnny]

All the fake news comments on Canada by you all is a perfect example of the one sided flow of current events in your country. We get your news from your networks and ours, while all you get is snippets of crap that your networks deem will rile folks up or make good bias news about our country. When was the last time you watched a Canadian news program on a Canadian network?
Open your eyes and realize the brain washing that's going on in your country.
:rubbish:

Ummm, I don't watch network news. I like to get unbiased news.

[Cybercowboy]

Justin Castro, is a fact!

[DAB]

Ya...you just keep telling yourself that. :rofl:......what a joke.

I was referring to you claiming to have the truth. And us dumb Americans needing so much help.

:rolleyes:

We might make mistakes (Barry) but we have the ability to change direction. You think Hillary was better?

[Kerrmudgeon]

Obama, Hillary and Trump are standing at the throne of heaven.
God looks at them and says, "Before granting you a place at my side, I must ask you what you have learned, what you believe in."
God asks Obama first: “What do you believe?"
He thinks long and hard, looks God in the eye, and says, "I believe in hard work, and in staying true to family and friends. I believe in giving. I was lucky, but I always tried to do right by my countrymen".
God can’t help but see the essential goodness of Obama, and offers him a seat to his left.
Then God turns to Hillary and says, "What do you believe?"
Hillary says, "I believe passion, discipline, courage and honor are the fundamentals of life. Like Obama I believe in hard work. I, too, have been lucky, but win or lose, I've always tried to be a true patriot and a loyal American."
God is greatly moved by Hillary's high-pitched eloquence, and he offers her a seat to his right.
Finally, God turns to Trump and says, "And you, Donald, what do you believe?"
Trump replies, "I believe you're in my seat." :rofl:

[Bill]

Approving the Keystone XL pipeline after years of Obama literally rubbing Canada's nose in it for many years should be the start of healing our relationship.

[DAB]

Based on that, they are all going to hell.

[snide]

All the fake news comments on Canada by you all is a perfect example of the one sided flow of current events in your country. We get your news from your networks and ours, while all you get is snippets of crap that your networks deem will rile folks up or make good bias news about our country. When was the last time you watched a Canadian news program on a Canadian network?
Open your eyes and realize the brain washing that's going on in your country.
:rubbish:

Robbie, I'm sure Douglas is aware of the brainwashing going on. Most of the major US network "news" shows don't report the news. Instead, they report their "opinions" of the news. Last I checked, the Canada news outlets still report the news.

[Mike Mercury]

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads26/20294079_1450476185047419_844488325330663217_n1501171776.jpg

[DAB]

Robbie, I'm sure Douglas is aware of the brainwashing going on. Most of the major US network "news" shows don't report the news. Instead, they report their "opinions" of the news. Last I checked, the Canada news outlets still report the news.

most news these days is just disguised opinion.


they choose who to interview, who to report about, what to report about, and in so doing, create a narrative that either all is great, or all is lost. depends on what they want you to think.

so i largely turn it off and do something else.

the latest about the foul mouthed communication guy for Trump. does his potty mouth affect me? nope. but it creates the idea that Trump has a bunch of careless frat boys around him, and therefore, Trump can't be trusted and all is a mess in the WH. as for Sessions, are you going to tell me you've never seen a boss try to motivate an employee to get off his ass and do his job with vigor?

[VatorMan]

I was OK with Canada until they rewarded the American killer and A bunch of Canadians were ok with it.

Your PM is a sick individual and if you aren't trying to change your laws or justices, you are a sick individual as well.

[Kerrmudgeon]

I was OK with Canada until they rewarded the American killer and A bunch of Canadians were ok with it.

Your PM is a sick individual and if you aren't trying to change your laws or justices, you are a sick individual as well.

That's what I mean....you haven't got all the facts. About 75% of Canucks are outraged at that payment. Trudeau the spineless was simply averting a major court case that would have cost the country twice as much as it did. And....he would have won because he's a damn Canadian citizen and has the rights of anyone else here. Sucks but it's true. I'm surprised no body has taken Kadar out yet. :bud:
I would have sent him back to the States to face the music. :issues:

[DAB]

stand on principal. go to court, let the judges make the final decision, and let them take the heat. money? governments print all the money they need, lack of money has never stopped a government from doing what it wants to.

[78SA]

Sessions needs fired just for wanting asset seizure without charges to be legal.

[Bill]

That's what I mean....you haven't got all the facts. About 75% of Canucks are outraged at that payment. Trudeau the spineless was simply averting a major court case that would have cost the country twice as much as it did. And....he would have won because he's a damn Canadian citizen and has the rights of anyone else here. Sucks but it's true. I'm surprised no body has taken Kadar out yet. :bud:
I would have sent him back to the States to face the music. :issues:

The US Government paid $1M to a the family of an underage Mexican drug smuggler. BP thought the bottles he had with him were suspicious, so the kid took a few swigs out of one of them to "prove" it wasn't anything illegal. It was liquefied methamphetamine. He died, and somehow that's our fault. Idiotic decisions by government happen on both sides of the border.

[VatorMan]

The US Government paid $1M to a the family of an underage Mexican drug smuggler. BP thought the bottles he had with him were suspicious, so the kid took a few swigs out of one of them to "prove" it wasn't anything illegal. It was liquefied methamphetamine. He died, and somehow that's our fault. Idiotic decisions by government happen on both sides of the border.

So it killed an American soldier ? WTF are you trying to prove ? Stupid payments ? This doesn't even remotely fill the bill.

The canadian KILLED an American soldier and got PAID. Period.

[Kerrmudgeon]

So it killed an American soldier ? WTF are you trying to prove ? Stupid payments ? This doesn't even remotely fill the bill.

The canadian KILLED an American soldier and got PAID. Period.

Just because he was born here doesn't make him a Canadian....in my mind. His whole family had ties to terrorism groups. We should have expelled the whole damn family years ago. Quit blaming the whole country for one example of a wrong decision.
BTW.....Nothing is as cut and dried as you make it out to be. That's a simpleton's approach. :

[VatorMan]

Just because he was born here doesn't make him a Canadian....in my mind. His whole family had ties to terrorism groups. We should have expelled the whole damn family years ago. Quit blaming the whole country for one example of a wrong decision.
BTW.....Nothing is as cut and dried as you make it out to be. That's a simpleton's approach. :

So an American refugee that happens to be muslim kills a Canadian Mountie. The American court says screw it, you've had a hard life. America will give you 8 million dollars because we did a couple things wrong.

Tell me AGAIN how you would be fine with this. Canadian.

[Bill]

So an American refugee that happens to be muslim kills a Canadian Mountie. The American court says screw it, you've had a hard life. America will give you 8 million dollars because we did a couple things wrong.

Tell me AGAIN how you would be fine with this. Canadian.

We have already hashed out this subject:

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/109848-do-you-want-get-mad-cause-how-you-get-mad.html

I don't recall anyone, including myself or Kermie being OK with a terrorist killer of Americans getting a windfall from the Canadian government.

[VatorMan]

I didn't see any Canadians in the street protesting this payment. I sure as hell saw them protesting Trump and some of his lesser decisions.

This tells me Canadians are OK with what happened.

[Kerrmudgeon]

I didn't see any Canadians in the street protesting this payment. I sure as hell saw them protesting Trump and some of his lesser decisions.

This tells me Canadians are OK with what happened.

Just bedause YOU didn't see them doesn't mean they didn't protest.....:slap:

Here's one in toronto. And there were protests in every major city across Canada. :p

https://www.therebel.media/trudeau_s_toronto_fundraiser_draws_khadr_payout_protesters_we_were_conned

[VatorMan]

Just bedause YOU didn't see them doesn't mean they didn't protest.....:slap:

Here's one in toronto. And there were protests in every major city across Canada. :p

https://www.therebel.media/trudeau_s_toronto_fundraiser_draws_khadr_payout_protesters_we_were_conned

But a few angry protesters. Nice. Just to let you know, I could have been that soldier. As many here could have been. If America pays any terrorist to kill one of our allies, there would be hell to pay. Canada has a few angry protesters. See the difference ? I guess not.

[Kerrmudgeon]

But a few angry protesters. Nice. Just to let you know, I could have been that soldier. As many here could have been. If America pays any terrorist to kill one of our allies, there would be hell to pay. Canada has a few angry protesters. See the difference ? I guess not.

You change your story like I change my underwear! First it's no protests...now it's not ENOUGH protesters. Sheesh......tired of talking to such a closed minded individual. have a nice night. :leaving:

[04 commemorative]

When it comes to LGBT politics it is sexuality first, country second. It is just the opposite when you are POTUS. Trump’s decision may be unfair, but it was not incorrect.

[VITE1]

Obama, Hillary and Trump are standing at the throne of heaven.
God looks at them and says, "Before granting you a place at my side, I must ask you what you have learned, what you believe in."
God asks Obama first: “What do you believe?"
He thinks long and hard, looks God in the eye, and says, "I believe in hard work, and in staying true to family and friends. I believe in giving. I was lucky, but I always tried to do right by my countrymen".
God can’t help but see the essential goodness of Obama, and offers him a seat to his left.
Then God turns to Hillary and says, "What do you believe?"
Hillary says, "I believe passion, discipline, courage and honor are the fundamentals of life. Like Obama I believe in hard work. I, too, have been lucky, but win or lose, I've always tried to be a true patriot and a loyal American."
God is greatly moved by Hillary's high-pitched eloquence, and he offers her a seat to his right.
Finally, God turns to Trump and says, "And you, Donald, what do you believe?"
Trump replies, "I believe you're in my seat." :rofl:
Obama and Hillary believing in hard work. :lol::lol:

[boracayjohnny]

When it comes to LGBT politics it is sexuality first, country second. It is just the opposite when you are POTUS. Trump’s decision may be unfair, but it was not incorrect.

Well put.

With that said, I'm a firm believer of free agency. I have zero problems with the LGBT folks doing whatever they feel like doing. Yet, the line can be crossed, for example, when the LGBT community puts country second.

[OddBall]

Well put.

With that said, I'm a firm believer of free agency. I have zero problems with the LGBT folks doing whatever they feel like doing. Yet, the line can be crossed, for example, when the LGBT community puts country second.

And when they support their lifestyle on your dime.

[SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84]

This explains it quite well.....

https://youtu.be/AXiwxRmcM9c

[DAB]

if the military wanted to only take those who were over 6-3, they could do that too.

[MrPeabody]

if the military wanted to only take those who were over 6-3, they could do that too.

The Coast Guard required that you be 6 feet tall to join. That way, when your boat sinks, you can walk home.:hide:

Joke my Navy vet nephew told me.:D

[NEED-A-VETTE]

When it comes to LGBT politics it is sexuality first, country second. It is just the opposite when you are POTUS. Trump’s decision may be unfair, but it was not incorrect.

I disagree. My daughter is a lesbian. She joined when don't ask don't tell was still in effect. Many that are currently serving did the same. They joined in spite of their sexuality because their country came first.

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy. I think that Tricare should not cover reassignment surgery or hormone therapy. Done.

If they still want to join under those circumstances, welcome to the military.

[Mike Mercury]

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy.

and it's OK to pay them a little less as well ?

[NEED-A-VETTE]

and it's OK to pay them a little less as well ?

Why would they get paid less? They get paid whatever their rank and job classification requires...just like everyone else at that rank and job classification. :shrug:

If you're talking about not having the ability to earn combat pay, for example, that's just how it goes if you don't deploy.

[04 commemorative]

I disagree. My daughter is a lesbian. She joined when don't ask don't tell was still in effect. Many that are currently serving did the same. They joined in spite of their sexuality because their country came first.

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy. I think that Tricare should not cover reassignment surgery or hormone therapy. Done.

If they still want to join under those circumstances, welcome to the military.

Well we agree to disagree then.....hey that's what makes our country great no matter what right ?

[OddBall]

I disagree. My daughter is a lesbian. She joined when don't ask don't tell was still in effect. Many that are currently serving did the same. They joined in spite of their sexuality because their country came first.

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy. I think that Tricare should not cover reassignment surgery or hormone therapy. Done.

If they still want to join under those circumstances, welcome to the military.

Why not?
And aren't gay's and lesbians deployed? (I'm asking, I don't know)

[Cybercowboy]

I disagree. My daughter is a lesbian. She joined when don't ask don't tell was still in effect. Many that are currently serving did the same. They joined in spite of their sexuality because their country came first.

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy. I think that Tricare should not cover reassignment surgery or hormone therapy. Done.

If they still want to join under those circumstances, welcome to the military.

But being able to deploy is pretty much the defining attribute the military wants in their recruits. It's the main consideration. If they are to be in only positions that are essentially desk jobs, there is usajobs.gov for that.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Why not?
And aren't gay's and lesbians deployed? (I'm asking, I don't know)

Yes. Gays and lesbians are allowed to deploy. My daughter deployed to Afghanistan.

Transgender is a different set of circumstances. If they (transgender) decide to pay for therapy or surgery on their own... Someone going thru hormone therapy would not be ok to deploy. That's not something that is readily availalble in the field. Someone that is recovering from reassignment surgery would not be ok to deploy, as there are certain things that have to be done post-op, which are not appropriate when in the field.

But being able to deploy is pretty much the defining attribute the military wants in their recruits. It's the main consideration. If they are to be in only positions that are essentially desk jobs, there is usajobs.gov for that.

Too bad. If they want to be in the military...here are the jobs that are availalble to transgender. Someone has to fill the desk jobs in the military. If they're willing to fill those jobs, why not let them? All the better. Then the people that don't WANT those desk jobs (because they'd like to deploy) don't have to fill those jobs.

Just like score parameters on the ASVAB...certain jobs are available to certain people. Being transgender is just another qualifier or disqualifier for certain jobs. They can take it or leave it.

[Broken Wind]

In my Marine Corps, if you can't deploy, you can't continue to serve. No reason to have you around. See ya!

[OddBall]

Yes. Gays and lesbians are allowed to deploy. My daughter deployed to Afghanistan.

Transgender is a different set of circumstances. If they (transgender) decide to pay for therapy or surgery on their own... Someone going thru hormone therapy would not be ok to deploy. That's not something that is readily availalble in the field. Someone that is recovering from reassignment surgery would not be ok to deploy, as there are certain things that have to be done post-op, which are not appropriate when in the field.



Too bad. If they want to be in the military...here are the jobs that are availalble to transgender. Someone has to fill the desk jobs in the military. If they're willing to fill those jobs, why not let them? All the better. Then the people that don't WANT those desk jobs (because they'd like to deploy) don't have to fill those jobs.

Just like score parameters on the ASVAB...certain jobs are available to certain people. Being transgender is just another qualifier or disqualifier for certain jobs. They can take it or leave it.


In my Marine Corps, if you can't deploy, you can't continue to serve. No reason to have you around. See ya!
:iagree:

This is what it boils down to. And even a pre-op transgender is a liability in this respect, and in more ways than one.

Gay and lesbians are arguably fit for service. But with a transgender there is always a risk of the transgender going through with the surgery and incapacitating him/her/itself of being fit for deployment. Whether they footed the bill or not, they made a choice to do that. The military puts itself at a disadvantage if it allows that, and the purpose of the military is to always have the advantage. Also, transgenders have a really high suicide and basket-case rate, which is also a disadvantage for the military. It would seem to me that the transgenders meet the criteria for a 4-F rating.

[boracayjohnny]

I disagree. My daughter is a lesbian. She joined when don't ask don't tell was still in effect. Many that are currently serving did the same. They joined in spite of their sexuality because their country came first.

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy. I think that Tricare should not cover reassignment surgery or hormone therapy. Done.

If they still want to join under those circumstances, welcome to the military.

Those that don't deploy are looked down upon. Now there are good reasons not to deploy and that's fine. Eventually your time in the shit is gonna come around. The person with some predetermined shred out to not deploy isn't pulling their part of the load and that's bullshit. Further, making a person able to serve but not deploy is starting down the slippery slope of finding reasons for others not to deploy. It's the military, you fit the mold or you don't. Every day folks are disqualified from serving for a variety of reasons. Lastly, I had a code assigned and I lived up to it, "World Wide Qualified".

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Those that don't deploy are looked down upon. Now there are good reasons not to deploy and that's fine. Eventually your time in the shit is gonna come around. The person with some predetermined shred out to not deploy isn't pulling their part of the load and that's bullshit. Further, making a person able to serve but not deploy is starting down the slippery slope of finding reasons for others not to deploy. It's the military, you fit the mold or you don't. Every day folks are disqualified from serving for a variety of reasons. Lastly, I had a code assigned and I lived up to it, "World Wide Qualified".

Fair enough. :cheers: