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Possible active shooter at US Army installation in Alabama | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/27/possible-active-shooter-at-us-army-installation-in-alabama.html)
but, but, but it's a "gun free" zone?!
Hope this is false, but it's still infuriating. All it takes is one, simple EO by the CiC to stop the madness of our gun free zone military bases. Had somebody been armed, the Fort Hood shooter would be dead, instead of lingering on our tax dollars, and quite possibly we would have had fewer casualties.
This really isn't rocket science.
[read in Reagan's voice] President Trump, REPEAL. THIS. BAN. [read in Reagan's voice]
It's sad that Reagan's globalist VP turned on the American military. Real people have died because of Bush I's arrogance.
erickpl
06-27-2017, 11:02am
Not false. I'm ON Redstone about 1.5 miles from the situation.
Redstone is the biggest employer in the area. We cannot carry on base at all, so it is pretty much a given that if you work there, you're leaving your firearms at home. :issues:
And our congressman wants to allow congressional carry?? How about you let citizens who are legally allowed to conceal carry actually conceal carry on federal sites?
Even if I have to leave it in my car, that is a far cry better. Because I can then be armed going on and off post.
No casualties confirmed at this time.
stupid headline reads:
"'POSSIBLE ACTIVE SHOOTER' LOCKS DOWN ARMY INSTALLATION IN ALABAMA"
why not just say Redstone Arsenal? you have to click thru to get the facts that matter.
anyway, stay safe.
erickpl
06-27-2017, 11:18am
stupid headline reads:
"'POSSIBLE ACTIVE SHOOTER' LOCKS DOWN ARMY INSTALLATION IN ALABAMA"
why not just say Redstone Arsenal? you have to click thru to get the facts that matter.
anyway, stay safe.
My wife and I are both safe. She's in the buildings next door to the situation. But they have LOTS of armed guards that know how to shoot. I can't say what agency she supports, but it has been in the news a lot lately...
we've all seen pics of people leaving buildings, hands all held up, marching down the grass or sidewalk to somewhere. it has always struck me that that is a dumb move. if your shooter is still hanging around, or if he has a buddy, well, you have just created 30 closely packed targets that are really easy pickings.
but, what do i know. :DAB:
Could this be a false flag to detract from the CNN "fake news" bombshell released this morning by Project Veritas?
CNN Producer Admits Trump/Russia is Bullsh!t Witch Hunt - YouTube
We are not allowed to carry here on the Cape as well. Needs to change.
WalkerInTN
06-28-2017, 9:45am
Military personnel should be allowed to carry on a military base. :yesnod:
Anyone that doesn't agree needs to be given free room & board at Guantanamo. :island14:
Military personnel should be allowed to carry on a military base. :yesnod:
Anyone that doesn't agree needs to be given free room & board at Guantanamo. :island14:
:iagree:
DJ_Critterus
06-28-2017, 11:08am
Possible active shooter at US Army installation in Alabama | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/27/possible-active-shooter-at-us-army-installation-in-alabama.html)
but, but, but it's a "gun free" zone?!
Just like the shooting at Ft. Hood.... nobody but security forces could respond or defend themselves due to Clinton era policies that made military installation...you know...places with military people trained to handle weapons... from being able to carry them.
DJ_Critterus
06-28-2017, 11:17am
Hope this is false, but it's still infuriating. All it takes is one, simple EO by the CiC to stop the madness of our gun free zone military bases. Had somebody been armed, the Fort Hood shooter would be dead, instead of lingering on our tax dollars, and quite possibly we would have had fewer casualties.
This really isn't rocket science.
[read in Reagan's voice] President Trump, REPEAL. THIS. BAN. [read in Reagan's voice]
It's sad that Reagan's globalist VP turned on the American military. Real people have died because of Bush I's arrogance.
I was right across the street when that happened and had just returned from Afghanistan less than 12 weeks prior. I was still amped up on procedures we followed down range to react to shooters. Yup, I ran towards the shots instinctively reaching for a weapon that i didn't have on me. Had others inside been able to react in ways other than "run and hide" that filthy mudslime wouldn't have gotten off as many shots and there would have been far less injuries and murdered people. Kim Munley wouldn't have had to show up after the event started and pumped 4 ineffective 9mm ball rounds into his ass only to paralyze him.
Just like the shooting at Ft. Hood.... nobody but security forces could respond or defend themselves due to Clinton era policies that made military installation...you know...places with military people trained to handle weapons... from being able to carry them.
Assess blame where it is due. The rule came from Bush I. The fact that this was not ended, especially after the Ft. Hood and Navy yard shootings reflects badly on each subsequent president, but let's not forget that this was originally promulgated by New World Order Bush.
Irony alert: many legislators have tried to fix what a whole series of presidents have not fixed, and failed. One of those legislators is Steve Scalise.
In crosshairs: Military base gun ban
'These are the guys that we entrust to protect our country'
Published: 09/23/2013 at 12:10 PM
Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas, says he’s going to try to do something about the ban that prevents members of the U.S. military from being armed while on military bases.
The policies have allowed two mass shootings in recent years – Nidal Hasan’s attack that killed 13 and injured dozens at Fort Hood in Texas several years ago and Aaron Alexis’ attack on the Washington Navy Yard, where a dozen were killed, last week.
Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas
“Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone whipped out a gun back and shot that SOB” Stockman said, “It’s really wrong that we have a policy in which we don’t trust our military to protect themselves.”
His comments came at a Liberty Political Action Conference just days ago, and were reported by Red Alert Politics.
Stockman said his plan is to introduce a bill to let military personnel pack heat while on military bases.
He explained not only will there be authorization to carry weapons, but permission to fire back in the event an armed combatant opens fire on a base.
“You know, it is really strange, and one of the things we’re introducing which we’ll, you’ll be the first to hear this, is that, do you all find it odd that somebody can pull out a gun on a military base and our guys can’t shoot back?” he asked.
“I don’t know about you but I’m sitting there going, ‘that is the strangest thing.’ These are the guys that we entrust to protect our families. These are the guys that we entrust to protect our country. These are the guys who, by the way, we have trained. And what do we do? We say, ‘excuse me, you can protect our nation but you better not protect yourselves.'”
He continued, “I want every military man to have a sidearm, and if somebody goes crazy, there will nine people or 10 people shooting back.”
The current rules, set up under President George H.W. Bush in 1992, prohibit concealed carry on military bases and specify that every gun kept on a military base must be registered with the base.
In addition, in order to use a gun for any purpose ranging from hunting to target shooting, it must be checked out.
Both of the attacks attributed to Hasan and Alexis happened at a location where members of the military, although present, were unable to return fire because they were unarmed.
According to Yahoo News, Rep. Louis Gohmert, R-Texas, also thinks members of the military should be allowed to carry weapons.
And John R. Lott, author of “More Guns, Less Crime,” said the the Pentagon simply “disarmed” service members.
“The law-abiding, not the criminals, are the ones who obey the ban on guns,” Lott wrote about the 2009 attack by Hasan at Fort Hood. “Instead of making areas safe for victims, the bans make it safe for the criminal.”
Judson Phillips, of Tea Party Nation, told the Washington Times, “The cold, hard truth is when Americans are armed they can fight back and shootings like Fort Hood and the Navy Yard would not happen. Our Founding Fathers understood this.”
Members of the U.S. military, say they are reviewing security processes following the latest shooting on a base targeting unarmed workers.
Meanwhile, Barack Obama said at a memorial for victims of the Navy Yard shooting that there should be more gun restrictions.
“If we really want to honor these 12 men and women – if we really want to be a country where we can go to work, go to school and walk our streets free from senseless violence without so many lives being stolen with a bullet from a gun – then we’re going to have to change,” he warned.
In crosshairs: Military base gun ban (http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/in-crosshairs-military-base-gun-ban/)
President Trump could solve this problem right now, today, with one signature. Why won't he?
DJ_Critterus
06-28-2017, 11:23am
Assess blame where it is due. The rule came from Bush I. The fact that this was not ended, especially after the Ft. Hood and Navy yard shootings reflects badly on each subsequent president, but let's not forget that this was originally promulgated by New World Order Bush.
Irony alert: many legislators have tried to fix what a whole series of presidents have not fixed, and failed. One of those legislators is Steve Scalise.
In crosshairs: Military base gun ban (http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/in-crosshairs-military-base-gun-ban/)
President Trump could solve this problem right now, today, with one signature. Why won't he?
I don't know, but hope he does.
As for this The current rules, set up under President George H.W. Bush in 1992, prohibit concealed carry on military bases and specify that every gun kept on a military base must be registered with the base.
Daddy Bush prohibited CCW on military installations. I believe it was Clintorus who went further and disallowed open carry even by military that is not MP, SP, or in someway part of law enforcement.
if i was Trump, i'd order all officers to get qualified on the current pistol, and to carry such pistol, loaded with a spare magazine, at all times. also delegate to local commanders the ability to also arm up any such enlisted as he may deem necessary.
DJ_Critterus
06-28-2017, 12:57pm
if i was Trump, i'd order all officers to get qualified on the current pistol, and to carry such pistol, loaded with a spare magazine, at all times. also delegate to local commanders the ability to also arm up any such enlisted as he may deem necessary.
That's what we wanted when I was active duty Army Officer, but I would allow the Commanders to have discretion about the 2LTs carrying since most of them are very new to the service. This would also let them have some leeway with newly commissioned officers who have prior service. I would also allow senior NCOs and those in leadership roles to be armed, too.
That's what we wanted when I was active duty Army Officer, but I would allow the Commanders to have discretion about the 2LTs carrying since most of them are very new to the service. This would also let them have some leeway with newly commissioned officers who have prior service. I would also allow senior NCOs and those in leadership roles to be armed, too.
exactly. a 15 year NCO can likely be trusted.
DJ_Critterus
06-28-2017, 1:08pm
exactly. a 15 year NCO can likely be trusted.
oddly enough, that filthy mudslime at Ft. Hood was likely trusted, too. Granted, his OERs stated otherwise, but he was still trusted....
I do believe that anyone carrying in uniform that's not in the LEO branches of any service do need to undergo screening, training, and more intensive qualification tables before they are allowed to carry, too.
They are officers. They have been screened. Get them qualified with a pistol. Done.
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