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Fasglas
04-23-2017, 9:25am
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/04/21/idling-car-ordinance-michigan/100762988/


Man guilty of leaving car idling in driveway, fine: $128
USA Today Network Christina Hall, Detroit Free Press 7:49 p.m. ET April 21, 2017

ROSEVILLE, Mich. — A man who fought a $128 ticket for leaving his car running was on the losing end of a court case earlier this week and may appeal the ruling.

Taylor Trupiano, 24, who lives in this suburb about 20 miles north of Detroit, was warming up his car in his driveway Jan. 5 when he ran inside to get his girlfriend and her 2-year-old son. That 10 minutes or so was enough time for a Roseville officer to issue him a citation because he was in violation of a state law intended to hamper car theft.

Trupiano's vehicle was left "wide open" near the bottom of his driveway about 2 feet from the sidewalk, City Attorney Tim Tomlinson said.

Less than two weeks later, two vehicles were stolen, both from people who started their vehicles and left them unattended. One lead to a high-speed chase and another occurred when a car was taken with two children inside, the city attorney said.

"There is an important public safety goal this is trying to achieve by having these regulations on the books," Tomlinson said.

Trupiano said he fought the ticket because he thinks people should be able to warm up their own cars in their own driveways. He considers the citation another way for municipalities to raise money.

“There is an important public safety goal this is trying to achieve by having these regulations on the books.”
Tim Tomlinson, Roseville, Mich.

He also didn't want his girlfriend's son, who has cerebral palsy, to get into a cold car on a freezing day, he said. He sees valets, delivery drivers, school bus drivers and even police leave their cars running and unattended for various reasons.

"That's a little upsetting," Trupiano said after the hearing. He doesn't think the ordinance "applies to my private property."

Lest you think that Michigan is alone, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency lists various regulations in 30 states — not including Michigan — and the District of Columbia on idling a vehicle. Most of the rules apply specifically to diesel trucks and are intended to curb air pollution*, but Massachusetts and Utah state laws may allow similar ticketing.

Trupiano's attorney, Nicholas Somberg, was surprised with the ruling from Judge Marco Santia of 39th District Court here and said he thinks that case law supports his client's position.

In a separate matter, Santia cited Somberg for contempt of court for live-streaming the first part of Thursday's hearing on Somberg's Facebook page without notifying the court or asking permission to do so. Somberg's hearing is May 25.

In January, Trupiano posted a picture of his ticket on Facebook with a comment, and it was shared more than 14,000 times.

The reaction to his citation has resulted in Michigan House Bill 4215 being filed in the Michigan Legislature, and the state House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure passed an amended bill March 28 that would still result in an infraction of a person left a stopped car running on a highway. The legislation still would need to pass the full state House and Senate and get the governor's signature before changing Michigan law.

Roseville district court officials said someone unrelated to the case sent in $128 to pay Trupiano's ticket, but they have not decided whether to accept the payment.

Somberg said he and Trupiano have 21 days to appeal the ruling to Macomb County Circuit Court.
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* These vehicles can usually be expected to have a sleeping driver inside. Engine runs heat and/or A/C.

DAB
04-23-2017, 2:39pm
expensive lesson.

cost $128 to learn that law.

so pay the fine and learn something.

if you can't stand to get into a cold car in winter, go start it up, sit in it and listen to the morning news, when it's warm, turn it off, fetch everyone and everything that has to go with you, pile it in, start it back up and drive off.

NavyC5
04-23-2017, 6:07pm
While I agree, that yes he violated the law, the nanny state really needs to give it a rest. If you leave your car running to warm up and it gets stolen, that's 100% on you.

Now the part about the diesel engines bugs me. I'd put my 2015 Ram up against many of the cars that are our there. I'd be willing to bet my truck emits less than the 1995 Crown Vic my neighbor owns. Just another "diesel engines are bad" response. I start my truck up on cold mornings to let it warm up before I drive to work. The worst thing you can do to a cold engine is push it hard. The turn out of my neighborhood is onto a 55 mph road. A diesel engine at 71 degrees, is just begging for issues if I try and push it. So yes, I warm it up. If it gets stolen, that's 100% on me, but guess what, I have insurance that includes theft. My truck gets stolen my insurance will pay and reward me with a rate increase. My call, I made it and will have face the ramifications.

I don't need the government babysitting me.

Aerovette
04-23-2017, 6:17pm
I have started my truck in the driveway and let it warm up. It was locked though, not left wide open as the report states. Doesn't do a lot of good to warm it up and then let all the heat out while you run back in the house.

DAB
04-23-2017, 6:58pm
except now you call Barney to help find your stolen car. and that takes up their day that you are paying for. if it wasn't stolen, you wouldn't have to chase it down. entirely preventable crime.

MrPeabody
04-23-2017, 7:01pm
And every car that gets stolen increases insurance costs for everyone.

09CTSV
04-24-2017, 6:11am
So if a police officer leaves their vehicle running while investigating a stolen car do they get a citation for leaving the vehicle running?

VITE1
04-24-2017, 7:08am
“The more laws, the less justice.” ~Marcus Tullius Cicero

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. Tacitus
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WalkerInTN
04-24-2017, 2:39pm
Need remote start. The vehicle stays locked & if the key isn't in the ignition when you hit the brake, the car will shut off. :seasix:

The bigger theft issue I see Is idiots who run into a convenience store, leaving their car empty & running. They're just begging for someone to steal their car. :slap: