I picked up the Olds today

[JRD77VET]

I finally had time to meet my friend Roger over at his Dad's farm to pick up the Olds 5-7 hp engine. :dance:

original thread http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/99300-so-looks-like-im-getting-olds.html

In further researching the engine, we have come to the conclusion the manufacture day is most likely 1905 due to various features. ( carb, governor and head features )

We got it out of the shed where it has resided for probably most of my life ( I'm 56 ). The engine was originally on a farm two roads over from this farm and is a slightly older version of the one my Grandfather had on his farm ( across the road )

We jacked up the front of the engine and put a couple pieces of pipe down on planks. Then winched it towards the door.

Once we got it out far enough, pipes were used and the 1500 lb engine moved quite easily.

Once we got it at the ramps for the trailer, we used the chain come a long again to winch it up.

All strapped down and ready for the ride out to Rough & Tumble.

[JRD77VET]

There is still some of the original paint, pin striping and decals on it.

[StaticCling]

THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!! :hurray::seasix:

[78SA]

:cool1:

[markids77]

Very cool hubcaps on the trailer. Classic.

[JRD77VET]

Very cool hubcaps on the trailer. Classic.

5 lug chevy truck rims :dance: It's a heavy duty trailer, it handled my 4000 lb Monarch CK 12 lathe perfectly :seasix:

[04 commemorative]

Very :dixie:

[Mike Mercury]

sooooo friggen cool !

[Dave]

Awesome!
That thing is in remarkable shape for 111 years old!

[OddBall]

:cool1: I'm eager to see the tear-down pics.

[Jeff '79]

Nice trailer :seasix:

[Jeff '79]

:cool1: I'm eager to see the tear-down pics.

I'm eager to see it chug. :yesnod:

[Iron Chef]

Where does he get those wonderful toys? - YouTube

[JRD77VET]

:cool1: I'm eager to see the tear-down pics.

I got it out to Rough and Tumble Historical Association (http://www.roughandtumble.org) today and after we set it in place, I started to see what kind of shape it was in. :seasix:

It was a whole lot easier to unload it with a forktruck :yesnod:

Plenty of room for the forktruck to get thru the doorway. Literally inches of extra room :willy:

Rocked the flywheels back and forth very easily to make sure nothing was binding. Pulled the head and was happy to see just a little bit of dirt and nice, clean cylinder wall. Bore size is about 6-1/16" in diameter

Both crank journals looked great thru the oiling holes ( shredded cotton "waste" gets placed in there to let the oil seep at a controlled rate )

The connecting rod babbit bearings looked good too. The pic is how they looked before cleaning.

Since the 70 plus year old rubber water jacket gasket looked bad, I removed the water jacket off the cylinder. Not bad at all.

I took the crank cover and wiped it down with water to remove the bird droppings and the original paint looks great.

Here's how I ended up at the end of the day. The engine turns over very nicely and seems to be in better shape than expected. This will be the "Olds Wall" in the Willock building as Roger has 1896 Olds on the other side.

Jeff

[JRD77VET]

I'm eager to see it chug. :yesnod:

Maybe in a couple months if everything goes well.

In an olds thread on the Smok Stak forum ( vintage engines and other machines), my Olds is the Oldest on the serial number collection :cool1:

[OddBall]

Three quarter ton of cool right there :seasix: :cool1:

[Blademaker]

Just.............badass..........:seasix:

[JRD77VET]

Worked on the carb today. Since it only takes fuel when it "hits", the carb is extremely basic. A fuel line and a needle valve. :yesnod:

Talking with Roger today , he figures the last time this engine ran was at least 60 years ago.

I put the intake in my lathe to hold it securely and started on disassembly. I had a little trouble breaking loose the packing nut for the needle valve and then getting the needle valve loose. KROIL and some very gentle taps did the trick :hurray:

In front of the visegrips is what was left of the graphite twine that originally used as packing. That was probably original packing. The reduced diameter and the point were corroded but a little time on the scotchbrite wheel cleaned it nicely.


I'll take it into work tomorrow and wash it in the safety clean parts washer. That will remove the grime without doing anything to whatever paint is left. :seasix:

[OddBall]

I see where the needle valve seats, what is that long "handle" for? Is that the fuel line? And is the packing what your were referring to that controlled the flow rate? They just filled it up with twine?

[JRD77VET]

I see where the needle valve seats, what is that long "handle" for? Is that the fuel line? And is the packing what your were referring to that controlled the flow rate? They just filled it up with twine?

The long tube is the fuel feed line. The needle valve goes thru the brass packing nut and the packing material goes above the threads on the needle valve and against the inside of the packing nut. When it's tightened, it provides a seal against the tapered portion.

[simpleman68]

Missed this thread. Awesome find Jeff! :cert:

It's a whole different world seeing those old engines and how rudimentary they were.

As oddball asked though; what was the twine for, gasket material maybe?
Scott

[JRD77VET]

Missed this thread. Awesome find Jeff! :cert:

It's a whole different world seeing those old engines and how rudimentary they were.

As oddball asked though; what was the twine for, gasket material maybe?
Scott

It's a very rare engine and I'm quite happy / honored to have my friend Roger sell it to me.

That was packing material to keep gas from leaking at the carb. ( between the needle valve shaft and the packing nut )

I got the carb ready so when I head out to R&T this Saturday, I'll bring home the fuel pump and the battery box to work on them.

[WOEII]

Aww hell ya man! Very nice! Can't wait to see the outcome.

I got to get on the guy whos restoring mine. His wife was pretty ill over the summer and I did not want to push him.

[JRD77VET]

Aww hell ya man! Very nice! Can't wait to see the outcome.

I got to get on the guy whos restoring mine. His wife was pretty ill over the summer and I did not want to push him.

Thanks Bill

I have a friend Bill who works on them. If your guy can't get to it, I can put you in touch with Bill :yesnod:

[JRD77VET]

Finally got back out to Rough and Tumble today. It was a good day too :dance:

I had taken the head home and clean up the exhaust valve and seat. The intake cage ( on the top ) was cleaned up too. I removed a piece of broken off cooling pipe from the head plus cleaned up the machined surfaces with scotch brite wheels.

I borrowed a gasket cutter and cut two 1/8" thick rubber gaskets for the water jacket. That gasket cutter worked great. Set the diameter you want and it cuts a perfect circle. :cool1:

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I had cut a head gasket earlier out of 1/8" thick asbestos sheet earlier. No worries about breathing fibers as I soaked it in water for two weeks before cutting it. :seasix:

I ran thread die over the studs and a tap thru the nuts and put a bit of oil on the studs. Then I assembled the water jacket with the rubber gaskets and the head with the head gasket and tightened the nuts on the studs.

Then I put the mixer ( carb ) on.
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and the warmer on ( it pulls heat in off the water jacket and also acts similar to an air cleaner / filter. )
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I also took the governor home to free that up. Cleaned the shaft and bore then oiled it up. Moves nice free and should work properly.

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I also hooked up the arm that controls the exhaust and intake valves. The metal rod going up keeps the intake closed when the exhaust opens.
( I still need to get new tapered pins for both of the valve spring keepers. That's a piece of 1/8" diameter TIG filler rod to keep everything in place :rofl: )

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Here;s how I left it after a good day's work. A couple tapered pins, a cotter pin and the list of things to do is repack the fuel pump and do the electrical work. :hurray:

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[OddBall]

:cool1:

[simpleman68]

Looking great Jeff! Will be nice to see it run when we get back home in the Spring.

Diggin' the gasket cutter. Would've helped me a TON back in the day of rebuilding old car engines when it was hard to find aftermarket gaskets that fit anywhere near OEM. :issues:

Scott

[WOEII]

So awesome! :seasix: I got to visit the guy working on mine. :kick:

[JRD77VET]

So awesome! :seasix: I got to visit the guy working on mine. :kick:

My friend Bill can get your back together and running. :yesnod:

[JRD77VET]

I cleaned up the Powell cylinder oiler. I still need to get thicker cork to make gaskets for both sides of the upper and lower sight glasses.

It cleaned up quite well :cool1:

[JRD77VET]

Another day out at Rough and Tumble working on my 1900's Olds engine. Installed the correct tapered pins for the valves and made a cap for the gas tank.

Here it is after wiping it down with kerosene. The kerosene cleans the dirt off the paint. It will evaporate and go dull. Once I have it cleaned well ( another 3-5 times ), then I will coat it with a mixture of turpentine and linseed oil to protect it.

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This picture shows off the original deep green Olds painted the flywheels :cool1:
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Here's the oiler I cleaned up
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and gas tank lid I made. I have no idea what the original one looked like so I guessed at something period correct. :leaving:

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[Steve_R]

That is pure cool! :seasix:

5-7 HP and tons of torque.