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Montehall

03-14-2011, 6:56pm

so, as most of you know, I'm fat.
There are certain things I am required to do in the Coast Guard to remedy this.

The Commandant requires that I work out 3 times a week, for at least 45 minutes a day.

The local command (who is in New Orleans, and we are a detachment of that) requires the same, but also wants me to keep a nutrition log (what I eat). I am just required to keep one, not share it or have anyone review it.

My supervisor, is asking me to give him a copy of the log every week. I view this a gross invasion of my privacy, almost up there with monitoring my personal cell phone calls. I informed him about my objections, and he went off telling me that it's required that I show him the log. I pulled up the instruction and pointed out that it's only required I keep one, and no mention is made of me having to give it to anyone. I offered that I would give him a copy of it if I end up not losing my weight.
He said that this conversation is a waste of time, and I need to give him a copy every week or I'll get booked (charged with a UCMJ violation) and he left.

Would you just roll over, or take it up the chain?

oyealiz

03-14-2011, 7:00pm

If you need to lose the weight to keep your job, which apparently you do, it seems like a good way to keep you focused.

Why does it anger you that he wants to see that you're working on it?

khblair

03-14-2011, 7:01pm

just turn it in.

im keeping one too

Stangkiller

03-14-2011, 7:01pm

I think I might just roll over on this one. You are getting to kep yor job even after they tried to toss you out.

Petew1971

03-14-2011, 7:03pm

Skia

03-14-2011, 7:03pm

This is coming from a former fat azz....keep the log, eat like you are supposed too...Walk 2 to 4 miles a day....(BRISKLY) work up a sweat AND LOSE THE GAWDDAMN WEIGHT....Did you ever think your supervisor may actually be concerned about you??? :skep: Do what you should, put your big boy pants on and STFU....:D

And yes I can say that.....I weighted 295lbs at age 21. I got my head on straight and lost down to 153 in 2 years time. I've kept the blubber offf for the most part. I am convinced it saved my life.

Montehall

03-14-2011, 7:04pm

If you need to lose the weight to keep your job, which apparently you do, it seems like a good way to keep you focused.

Why does it anger you that he wants to see that you're working on it?
I am keeping up a log, as the instruction requires, and for my own accountability, I do not have a problem with the log
I just have a problem with giving that information away.
I really can't explain it. Its like people who don't drive illegally complaining about how Onstar can view your driving.

khblair

03-14-2011, 7:05pm

oyealiz

03-14-2011, 7:07pm

I am keeping up a log, as the instruction requires, and for my own accountability, I do not have a problem with the log
I just have a problem with giving that information away.
I really can't explain it. Its like people who don't drive illegally complaining about how Onstar can view your driving.

I disagree. Part of your contract says you'll keep your weight down. They let you keep your job despite the fact that you'd gained the weight. I think it's reasonable that they ask to see proof of what you're doing to correct the situation.

lander

03-14-2011, 7:19pm

I could understand objecting to keeping a log...but I don't understand accepting the order to keep a log, but refusing the order for the log to be reviewed.

Nemesis

03-14-2011, 7:20pm

I understand how you would feel it's an invasion of your privacy, but keeping your weight down is part of your job. It's not like your supervisor is tracking your weight by way of naked pictures.

Plus, it's even better motivation to stay healthy. What's more important to you, your job or being fat?

Rotorhead

03-14-2011, 7:21pm

The log is to make you think about what you are puttting in your belly, not for them to track you. I feel that you are against this. I nevr had a weight problem until I went Saudi and had chefs cooking me three meals a day, not to mention I was hardly working. I',m 5'11 and got to 235 lbs.

I'm now down to 180 and can see my six pack. If you want to send me a PM I will reply with some motivation you will print out and keep in your pocket and guarantee you will lose some weight. It won't be pleasent, but I will try to help.:cheers:

ChasC5

03-14-2011, 7:25pm

Petew1971

03-14-2011, 7:30pm

Is that The Science Diet? :D

:beer: yup

OddBall

03-14-2011, 7:33pm

You're pushing your luck pretty hard.

How important is your job to you?
How important is your privacy?

We know what order the Coast Guard prioritizes them.
You've got to decide what order you prioritize them; and be willing to
accept with the consequences either way.

lspencer534

03-14-2011, 7:34pm

Methinks you aren't serious about losing the weight. What do you have to hide? That you ate a 3,000 calorie breakfast, but you're really trying hard to lose weight? Come on!

kapayakapaya

03-14-2011, 7:35pm

Aren't you a land lubber? Why the need for low blubber?

JRD77VET

03-14-2011, 7:36pm

I am keeping up a log, as the instruction requires, and for my own accountability, I do not have a problem with the log
I just have a problem with giving that information away.
I really can't explain it. Its like people who don't drive illegally complaining about how Onstar can view your driving.

Two options

1) Show log, keep steady job with great benefits and excellent retirement

2) Say FU and end up in the real world where you bust your ass to try to keep your head above water.

Your choice, choose wisely :yesnod:

Rotorhead

03-14-2011, 7:38pm

Two options

1) Show log, keep steady job with great benefits and excellent retirement

2) Say FU and end up in the real world where you bust your ass to try to keep your head above water.

Your choice, choose wisely :yesnod:

:iagree: Don't be a ***** and PM me.

Montehall

03-14-2011, 7:42pm

so I guess I'm in the wrong here. fair enough.

Nemesis

03-14-2011, 7:46pm

so I guess I'm in the wrong here. fair enough.

your supervisor may also be getting pressure from his superiors about it. it'll only help you.

ConstantChange

03-14-2011, 7:56pm

Me2

03-14-2011, 8:01pm

Sounds like you're pushing back just to push back. What's so secretive about what's in your log? It might be interesting if you kept TWO logs - 1 that lists everything you actually eat and 1 that you write what you THINK would be acceptable for others to see. Then compare the 2 logs and see if there's any difference.

lspencer534

03-14-2011, 8:03pm

Montehall

03-14-2011, 8:05pm

Is the reason you don't want to show the log because you know it doesn't look like it should?

If I were your boss, I wouldn't care to see your log. I'd say you need to weigh this or less by this date. If you don't, you're done. If you want my help with diet and exercise, I'll be glad to help. If you don't, that's fine too.
nope it looks like it should, I limit to 1500 calories a day.

now something I probably should have mentioned: there is another guy at work, and he went to a school to become a personal trainer. He is the guy who sets up my workout/excersize schedule, as well as he is my work-out buddy.
He agrees with me about the log.
I honestly believe the only reason that my supervisor wants the log, is so that if last month repeats itself, he's got his ass covered. Number 1 first and all that. But I digress.

Lest I rock the boat, while perched on a percarious pin head, I shall do as directed.

NB2K

03-14-2011, 8:08pm

You have to run.

Start by walking, build up to running.

Do it slow and easy and you'll be running a 10K in 12 weeks.

PM me if interested.

I am not skinny @ almost 6' and 203, but I know this works.

Rotorhead

03-14-2011, 8:44pm

:cheers:so I guess I'm in the wrong here. fair enough.

Prove em wrong! Prove em wrong! You can do it bro.

...Whitepower...

03-14-2011, 8:53pm

How overweight are you if you don't mind me asking. What's your height and weight and where do they want you to be?

Post a pic.

...Whitepower...

03-14-2011, 8:55pm

:cheers:

Prove em wrong! Prove em wrong! You can do it bro.

I would definatley used it as motivation...:yesnod:

Barn Babe

03-14-2011, 9:25pm

so I guess I'm in the wrong here. fair enough.

Wait, what? No, you've got it all wrong. This is where you get your panties in a bunch, call everybody a bunch of stuff that will get you banned and storm off, never to be heard from again!

Seriously, admitting to being wrong? :beat:

Iron Chef

03-14-2011, 9:35pm

Wait, what? No, you've got it all wrong. This is where you get your panties in a bunch, call everybody a bunch of stuff that will get you banned and storm off, never to be heard from again!

Seriously, admitting to being wrong? :beat:

Funny how participating at a site and not being under the constant threat of a ban hammer yields some surprisingly adult behavior. :yesnod:

CF mods who are reading take note.

HeatherO

03-14-2011, 9:36pm

don't we all have to do the things in the course of our lives that we don't "like" to do?
what's the big deal about sharing a food log?
there could be worse things that they ask of you, for sure :cheers:

Uncle Pervey

03-14-2011, 9:40pm

Dude, is his order to you an illegal order? Is it something outside of what a supervisor is supposed to do? Believe it or not your fitness and weight are something his boss has probably ordered him to watch.
He's probably told him,"Make sure any wide bodies you have in your detail get their shit in order, I want you to watch them like a hawk!"
He's just trying to do his job and get the results his boss told him to get. He's not trying to get all in your shit.

...Whitepower...

03-14-2011, 9:41pm

Funny how participating at a site and not being under the constant threat of a ban hammer yields some surprisingly adult behavior. :yesnod:

CF mods who are reading take note.

Shut the F@CK up Chef!

...Whitepower...

03-14-2011, 9:42pm

Always wanted to do that to a Jessie..:D

Montehall

03-14-2011, 9:45pm

How overweight are you if you don't mind me asking. What's your height and weight and where do they want you to be?

Post a pic.
6 foot, 240 lbs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/Wilson1911/2011-02-23_17-54-25_799.jpg

...Whitepower...

03-14-2011, 9:56pm

Ideally where do they want you to be?

What do you have to hit where they will stop busting your balls.

Montehall

03-14-2011, 9:59pm

I have to be either 24% body fat or 217 lbs by Sept. 30th.

I'd be happy somewhere south of 200.

Silverspeed

03-14-2011, 10:01pm

If you are following a diet plan I would just give it to him. I know nobody likes to be "babysat" and that's probably why you have some animosity about it. Just give it to him and don't let it bother you. You are following the plan anyway, although I certainly see your frustration with having to do so.

Iron Chef

03-14-2011, 10:04pm

Always wanted to do that to a Jessie..:D

The difference is that Jessie will send you a three page dissertation about what a child you are, his career in law enforcement, then ban you for a year.

I, on the other hand, will just call you a dumbass. :D

1911fool

03-14-2011, 10:05pm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/Wilson1911/2011-02-23_17-54-25_799.jpg

Why is this guy holding you by your feet?

Montehall

03-14-2011, 10:07pm

HA!

The better question is what are you doing in the background?

1911fool

03-14-2011, 10:09pm

:lol::lol:

Barn Babe

03-14-2011, 10:12pm

Petew1971

03-14-2011, 10:47pm

:beer:

Martini Girl

03-14-2011, 10:48pm

In all seriousness, it's been a lifelong battle for me and one of the few things that I've been able to rely on is a food journal. If you've got an iPhone/iTouch there are some great aps to help you out.

:iagree: The most important part about keeping a food journal is to be honest with yourself about everything you eat. Write it down! You will have your good days, and follow all the diet rules. You will also have the not so good days, when you have a slice of pizza or a few Girl Scout cookies (or a box). Don't get down on yourself and give up after those days! Take it one day at a time!

Good Luck! :)

prospero63

03-14-2011, 10:48pm

so I guess I'm in the wrong here. fair enough.

I think you are. It seems like every other day you are complaining about how they are in your shit about your weight. IMO if you spent as much time and energy on losing the weight as you do bitching about it, you'd probably have the problem fixed. This is going to sound harsh, but IMO you need to have a little more pride in yourself and that uniform than I think you are showing.

lspencer534

03-15-2011, 10:06am

The difference is that Jessie will send you a three page dissertation about what a child you are, his career in law enforcement, then ban you for a year.

I, on the other hand, will just call you a dumbass. :D

Dumbass.

jaxgator

03-15-2011, 10:28am

:beer:

Cybercowboy

03-15-2011, 10:36am

Just put down

6 am..I ate breakfast

6:15 am I took a giant shit

10 am I ate lunch

10:15 am I took another giant shit

12 noon, I ate a hot dog

12:15 I took another shit

3 pm I ate some pizza

3:15 pm I took another shit

and so on

6:30 AM giant shit

8:00 AM breakfast burrito and three Bud Lights

9:00 AM two more Bud Lights

12:00 AM Big Mac, fries, margarita. OK, two margaritas.

1:00 PM nap

3:00 PM six Bud Lights, a bag of Lays, stepped into a Slim Jim.

6:00 PM lasagna, salad, two bottles of wine. Another couple Bud Lights.

7:00 PM - Midnight: Finished up that case of Bud Light.

I can see why he might not want to turn that log in... :D

Scissors

03-15-2011, 10:51am

You signed a contract. Fulfill your obligations.

Scissors

03-15-2011, 10:59am

Just put down

6 am..I ate breakfast

6:15 am I took a giant shit

10 am I ate lunch

10:15 am I took another giant shit

12 noon, I ate a hot dog

12:15 I took another shit

3 pm I ate some pizza

3:15 pm I took another shit

and so on
:lol:

Keep two food logs. One for yourself, and then another written in some language your supervisor doesn't know. Just use Google translate and then right it down by hand (so for him to translate it back he has to either type it in again, or get a translator.)

clutchdust

03-15-2011, 1:53pm

I think you are. It seems like every other day you are complaining about how they are in your shit about your weight. IMO if you spent as much time and energy on losing the weight as you do bitching about it, you'd probably have the problem fixed. This is going to sound harsh, but IMO you need to have a little more pride in yourself and that uniform than I think you are showing.This.
MonteHall:
Join: Jan 2011
Posts: 710
Posts per day: 11.11
You posting from your stationary bike?
Look man, not trying to beat up on you because I've been in similar circumstances. But seriously, take some time off from the forums and hoof it a little more. How are you scoring on your PFTs?

Montehall

03-15-2011, 2:52pm

I have taken the information and opinions given, applied them to my situation, and determined my best course was to go along with the command's request.

however, 11 posts per day is not interfering with my obligations to the Coast Guard or life in general. At best, it's maybe an hour of my day. (and yes, I do sometimes surf the forum from my phone while on a bike)

I work out in the mornings, from 6:30 to 7:45.
I work at a desk, processing orders from then 8:15 until 3:30. Then I normally work out again (usually a couple mile jog), go home and spend my day however. Usually house maintance (I'm laying tile on the laundry room floor currently) and then the last few hours of the night I spend on the couch with the dogs, or on my PC.
When the wife gets home, the evening routine will probably change.

a few months back, due to a number of circumstances I do not feel like discussing here, I came to the conclusion that my life would improve out of the military, in a stable area, and going back to school. This was a mistake... well, not really, just the way I was going about it was incorrect.

There has not been one instance where I have ever blamed anyone else for my wieght, I take full accountability and responsbility for what transpired.

As I sat there, that afternoon, thinking about what had happened, I realized a made a mistake. I realized that I owe it, at least to my daughter, to provide a good standard of living for her. I regretted what I had done.
It was by the grace of god, that only 5 days later, I was informed that my paperwork had been "lost" and I was to be given another chance. At that moment, I was upset about the emotional roller coaster of that week.
Here my wife and I had spent the last 4 days planning out the rest of our life as best we could, and then it got turned all around... again.
One of my co-workers put it in perspective for me "You spent 4 days on that plan, and 10 years on the Coast Guard, which are you really more committed to?" bam. There it was.
I heard it somewhere, and it's worth mentioning here "Only on the precipice of disaster, do we truely evolve"
I am now undertaking the trek to get my bachelors in EE (Electronics Engineering), lose my weight, track my food intake, track my excersize, and keep it going. I even plan to throw my name in the hat for a Direct Commissioned Engineer.

Again, my original issue in this thread was not the food log, but was instead that I viewed my command having it as an invasion of my privacy, which, appearently, is just to some overriding sense of paranoia I possess.

wicked_c6

03-15-2011, 3:31pm

If you need to lose the weight to keep your job, which apparently you do, it seems like a good way to keep you focused.

Why does it anger you that he wants to see that you're working on it?

+1

I didn't realize that coast guard didn't have PT for all its members at a set time in the morning. I'm guessing CG is a bit more lax in that area?

Good luck in your endeavor though.

Meeko87

03-15-2011, 4:19pm

Yes! finally get to use this one
http://www.thesixthnonsense.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/go-be-fat-somewhere-else.jpg

Montehall

03-15-2011, 5:33pm

the coast guard does not have a PT program, unless you are LE

Rotorhead

03-15-2011, 5:46pm

Do it for your wife, your kids, and your career, which all of the previously mentioned depend on. Can you seriously not reduce your calorie intake to the point you loose some weight?

I tell ya what, I'll reduce my beer intake if you reduce your calorie intake.

Montehall

03-15-2011, 5:53pm

clutchdust

03-15-2011, 5:59pm

At 1500 calories a day with the workout regimen you posted, you should be losing weight. How long have you been at it?
Have you ever been lean?
What are the odds you have a thyroid condition?

Montehall

03-15-2011, 6:19pm

At 1500 calories a day with the workout regimen you posted, you should be losing weight. How long have you been at it?
Have you ever been lean?
What are the odds you have a thyroid condition?
2 weeks on thursday.
the first week I was Limited Duty because I dropped a fredigerator on my knee.
I was 190 when I enlisted, 10 years ago, that was down from 270.

The base doc did CBC and lab, all was normal

I am losing weight... two weeks ago, I was 250, I was 242 on Monday.

One Word

03-16-2011, 2:59am

Fatty:seeya:

Uri

03-16-2011, 4:11am

The Marine Corp would love to get hold of you.............:rofl:

Bill

03-16-2011, 10:44am

I have taken the information and opinions given, applied them to my situation, and determined my best course was to go along with the command's request.........

Again, my original issue in this thread was not the food log, but was instead that I viewed my command having it as an invasion of my privacy, which, apparently, is just to some overriding sense of paranoia I possess.

Paranoia? Mr. Tin Foil Hat Guy, here.......and as pro privacy/pro government getting out of people's private life as this Libertarian is, you, as a government employee, especially a military enlistee, have already given up many of the rights to privacy and to be left alone that civillians enjoy, or should enjoy if it wasn't for nanny state government.

You voluntarily agreed to be subjected to the UCMJ, for instance.

In this case, I'd say Uncle Sam, via your direct supervisor and those up the food chain (pun intended) from your supervisor have a reasonable expectation that you hand over the food log.

I think you have made the right choice to just go along, and this is coming from a definite Don Quixote type who is willing to waste time and money fighting government b/s rather than just going along quietly.

Keep up the good work on dropping the poundage. It sounds like you are doing pretty well so far. It sounds like Uncle Sam wants to keep you, so showing progress is your way of telling him you want to stay with him, too.

Sincerely,

Bill

The Breakfast Club, (member)

prospero63

03-16-2011, 11:00am

Good exercise. :thumbs:

How the hell would you know that doing Monte's wife is good exercise?

clutchdust

03-16-2011, 12:24pm

The Marine Corp would love to get hold of you.............:rofl:

3rd Battalion. :yesnod:

Sea Six

03-16-2011, 1:00pm

How the hell would you know that doing Monte's wife is good exercise?

Who the hell doesn't?

I mean, beside you, prospero.

Montehall

03-16-2011, 1:35pm

Who the hell doesn't?

I mean, beside you, prospero.
someone just got owned... but I think it was me?

prospero63

03-16-2011, 2:44pm

someone just got owned... but I think it was me?
:rofl::rofl:

Scissors

03-16-2011, 2:52pm

Just get your stomach stapled and get it over with.

dwjz06

03-16-2011, 3:02pm

Monte. Good luck man. I know it's tough. Keep up your path and you should be good by September. Keep some low or no carb stuff around for snacks. Atkins has a good listing even if you do not follow the diet. :cheers:

Me2

03-21-2011, 8:17pm

Am I reading this correctly? You have until September to lose 25 lbs.? That's a lot of time to lose so little weight. If you just keep exercising and keep active you could probably keep eating the way you used to and still lose more than 25 lbs. by September.

polarbear

03-21-2011, 8:46pm

nope it looks like it should, I limit to 1500 calories a day.

now something I probably should have mentioned: there is another guy at work, and he went to a school to become a personal trainer. He is the guy who sets up my workout/excersize schedule, as well as he is my work-out buddy.
He agrees with me about the log.
I honestly believe the only reason that my supervisor wants the log, is so that if last month repeats itself, he's got his ass covered. Number 1 first and all that. But I digress.

Lest I rock the boat, while perched on a percarious pin head, I shall do as directed.

I agree 100%. BUT- if you were doing (and eating) what you were supposed to, he wouldn't have to worry about covering his azz or anyone elses. Including yours.