View Full Version : Tulsa Shooter Is Charged With 1st Degree Manslaughter
Jeff '79
09-22-2016, 4:28pm
Sounds about right to me. :clap:
8473
You were a bad cop and a bad girl who really shouldn't have owned a gun.
You will pay for your slaughtering of that man.
Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby charged with manslaughter - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/22/us/tulsa-officer-charged/index.html)
Cybercowboy
09-22-2016, 5:03pm
Sounds about right to me. :clap:
8473
You were a bad cop and a bad girl who really shouldn't have owned a gun.
You will pay for your slaughtering of that man.
Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby charged with manslaughter - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/22/us/tulsa-officer-charged/index.html)
They're just doing it to quell any possible BLM crap. Tulsa citizens won't stand by and let their stuff be smashed and looted. There is some pretty compelling video shot by the news chopper that shows the guy reaching into his vehicle with one hand while going for his waistband with the other, after being told repeatedly by three cops with their f'ing weapons drawn to get on the ground. Oh, and PCP. But it does suck to be her.
See?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=6R8NuDBCrxE
Jeff '79
09-22-2016, 5:13pm
They're just doing it to quell any possible BLM crap. Tulsa citizens won't stand by and let their stuff be smashed and looted. There is some pretty compelling video shot by the news chopper that shows the guy reaching into his vehicle with one hand while going for his waistband with the other, after being told repeatedly by three cops with their f'ing weapons drawn to get on the ground. Oh, and PCP. But it does suck to be her.
See?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=6R8NuDBCrxE
yaaa, no.
I didn't see a threat at the time he was shot.
No gun, no nothing.
You must have better eyes than me and psychic powers that are on the fritz.
Cybercowboy
09-22-2016, 5:25pm
yaaa, no.
I didn't see a threat at the time he was shot.
No gun, no nothing.
You must have better eyes than me and psychic powers that are on the fritz.
I guess you haven't been following this very closely. I'm 100 miles away. Two officers had their guns drawn, a third (the one in the middle) drew his taser (the other two cops didn't notice this) and pulled the trigger of the taser as the guy was pulling at his waistband. Keep in mind, this guy had already been bouncing all over the place and was told numerous times to stay away from his vehicle. He had his hands up, down, all around, and was acting very erratic because he was high as shit on PCP (which came up on the radio, he was sorta known for this from the prior encounters.)
The officer that shot him said she heard a trigger being pulled just as his hand came back up from the waistband. It was probably the taser next to her. But still, wow, you don't think what that guy was doing - one hand reaching inside the vehicle and one down by the door handle/waistband was shady as shit?
Grab a shotgun, fling the door open for cover, and they find out later after he shot three cops that he just murdered someone. That's why, when the police have their weapons drawn and are telling you GET ON THE GROUND NOW! you do so. It's not that hard.
Also he just got out of prison apparently for drug trafficking and resisting arrest. This guy was familiar with the police.
OddBall
09-22-2016, 7:33pm
yaaa, no.
I didn't see a threat at the time he was shot.
No gun, no nothing.
You must have better eyes than me and psychic powers that are on the fritz.
What would you have done?
Jeff '79
09-22-2016, 7:39pm
What would you have done?
Tackled him, cuffed him, and arrested him.
There was plenty of hands up time for that.
OddBall
09-22-2016, 7:47pm
Tackled him, cuffed him, and arrested him.
There was plenty of hands up time for that.
What if he came out of that window with a sawed-off? Too late then.
I will say that he should have been tazed the second he walked towards his vehicle. But once he's in that window, it's too late.
Jeff '79
09-22-2016, 8:00pm
Three cops, one bad guy.
Bad cop training there.
:wtf:did they stand back and wait for?
Him to comply?
That worked out well for the scared shirtless broad
JRD77VET
09-22-2016, 8:10pm
Tackled him, cuffed him, and arrested him.
There was plenty of hands up time for that.
You've never dealt with anyone on PCP , have you? Super human strength, no pain registers and absolutely no fear of anything.
He was told to do certain things by the police and he chose not to listen.
HE chose poorly in his actions. If he would have listened, there would have been plenty of times to sort things out.
markids77
09-22-2016, 8:12pm
Once the courts clear her, NYC should hire her to train their officers to shoot. 1 round, dead perp in Tulsa; 16 hits, live bomber in NYC.
Tackled him, cuffed him, and arrested him.
There was plenty of hands up time for that.
I'm not visualizing Officer Betty tackling anybody, unless it was voluntary foreplay.
Jeff '79
09-22-2016, 8:16pm
You've never dealt with anyone on PCP , have you? Super human strength, no pain registers and absolutely no fear of anything.
He was told to do certain things by the police and he chose not to listen.
HE chose poorly in his actions. If he would have listened, there would have been plenty of times to sort things out.
I never said his choices were wise.
I said the executioners weren't.
Why don't cops just use tranquilizer guns in situations like that?
Hell, they had enough time to lasso the guy for cross sakes.
Whelp. That's one less scumbag off the streets.:seasix:
Three cops, one bad guy.
Bad cop training there.
:wtf:did they stand back and wait for?
Him to comply?
That worked out well for the scared shirtless broad
Pics of Betty, shirtless?
:waiting:
JRD77VET
09-22-2016, 8:23pm
I never said his choices were wise.
I said the executioners weren't.
Why don't cops just use tranquilizer guns in situations like that?
Hell, they had enough time to lasso the guy for cross sakes.
Whelp. That's one less scumbag off the streets.:seasix:
What if the tranquilizer kills him from a drug interaction? See any cowboys at the ready to lasso him?
Police are to uphold the law. The dead guy ignored their DIRECT ORDERS and paid the price with his life.
Tell you what, next time you head out, you leave your handgun at home and take a rope so you can lasso any bad guys that might harm you.
Let me know how that works out.
Loco Vette
09-22-2016, 8:36pm
I never said his choices were wise.
I said the executioners weren't.
Why don't cops just use tranquilizer guns in situations like that?
Hell, they had enough time to lasso the guy for cross sakes.
Whelp. That's one less scumbag off the streets.:seasix:
Lemme guess, you were pro-gorilla as well?
OddBall
09-22-2016, 8:36pm
Three cops, one bad guy.
Bad cop training there.
:wtf:did they stand back and wait for?
Him to comply?
That worked out well for the scared shirtless broad
True. Like I said, as soon as he turned around, they should have tased him. But that is armchair quarterbacking.
Cops made a dumb mistake, but not a liable one as far as letting him get to the car.
They are not responsible for his actions.
But once he was in that window, there was little choice.
Also, they may have held back on tasing him because of all the PC shit that is going on now. Maybe this will get a
much needed policy change to go ahead and tase idiots that are acting like idiots.
The legal system is working. I don;t have all the facts and I doubt anyone else has yet. Let the system work.
Aerovette
09-22-2016, 8:42pm
If a cop tells me to stand on my head a sing Georgia On My Mind, I do it.
Just checked, I have a pulse and no bullet holes.
Don't put the cop in a place where they have to make a choice and it will never be a wrong one.
OddBall
09-22-2016, 8:44pm
If a cop tells me to stand on my head a sing Georgia On My Mind, I do it.
Just checked, I have a pulse and no bullet holes.
Don't put the cop in a place where they have to make a choice and it will never be a wrong one.
You would think that wouldn't be rocket science, but apparently it is.
markids77
09-22-2016, 8:46pm
If a cop tells me to stand on my head a sing Georgia On My Mind, I do it.
Just checked, I have a pulse and no bullet holes.
Don't put the cop in a place where they have to make a choice and it will never be a wrong one.
Bingo. Straight or high, blind, crippled or crazy... comply and live. Be a dumbass and roll the dice.
I wouldn't be a cop in today's environment for any amount of money; you can't win.
JRD77VET
09-22-2016, 9:02pm
I wouldn't be a cop in today's environment for any amount of money; you can't win.
:iagree: Perfect example is the event we are discussing. It "seems" the events as they took place put the LEO's in a situation where they feared for their safety.
As some of the posters here showed, it's easy as hell to question the events that happened from the comfort of their home/office. Plenty of time NOW to review what happened.
Tackled him, cuffed him, and arrested him.
There was plenty of hands up time for that.
You ever fought a person on PCP, that shit can turn them into superman.
FWIW that info comes from a couple of my cop buddies one a Captain and another a Sergent of the SWAT team.
Madmikeee
09-23-2016, 8:11am
Agreed. Glad to see justice being served.:seasix:
Barn Babe
09-23-2016, 9:29am
Tackled him, cuffed him, and arrested him.
There was plenty of hands up time for that.
Three cops, one bad guy.
Bad cop training there.
:wtf:did they stand back and wait for?
Him to comply?
That worked out well for the scared shirtless broad
I'm very pro-cop and I wouldn't last an hour in their shoes, but you do make a valid point.
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You ever fought a person on PCP, that shit can turn them into superman.
FWIW that info comes from a couple of my cop buddies one a Captain and another a Sergent of the SWAT team.
Sounds like a good drug, with the exception of the going violently nuts part.
OddBall
09-23-2016, 1:07pm
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You ever fought a person on PCP, that shit can turn them into superman.
FWIW that info comes from a couple of my cop buddies one a Captain and another a Sergent of the SWAT team.
Way back in high school in the late '70's, they called it Angel Dust. It took five of us to hold down a fellow who had been "dusted" with PCP. He had gone absolutely bonkers and we were afraid that he was going get himself killed or somebody else. We literally had to hog-tie him up with our belts to get him under control. There was nothing special about him, he was our age and in no better condition that the rest of us, but it was like trying to wrestle a bull. We were close enough to a hospital that we just took him there ourselves. Didn't really know him beyond an acquaintance. Never knew what happened to him after that.
I thought PCP had gone by the wayside, haven't heard much about it since the 80's. I hope it's not making some sort of comeback.
erickpl
09-23-2016, 1:48pm
Remembering back to Ferguson, just because somebody is unarmed, that doesn't mean they're not a threat. I haven't seen all of the video in this Tulsa case, but a man amped up on something CAN be a huge threat to another.
You cannot assume they're reaching for cotton candy if you can't see what they're reaching for.
I'm hoping the right verdict will be reached once all evidence is presented in court, whichever way that verdict may lean.
boracayjohnny
09-23-2016, 2:05pm
If a cop tells me to stand on my head a sing Georgia On My Mind, I do it.
Just checked, I have a pulse and no bullet holes.
Don't put the cop in a place where they have to make a choice and it will never be a wrong one.
The best summation.
Jeff '79
09-23-2016, 7:15pm
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You ever fought a person on PCP, that shit can turn them into superman.
FWIW that info comes from a couple of my cop buddies one a Captain and another a Sergent of the SWAT team.
Nope. Not my job.
My paid tax money pays the monkeys to do that shit.
markids77
09-23-2016, 7:38pm
Nope. Not my job.
My paid tax money pays the monkeys to do that shit.
Monkeys? I don't know you well but I never expected such invective from you about law enforcement officers. Care to share the roots of this disregard with the class?
Monkeys? I don't know you well but I never expected such invective from you about law enforcement officers. Care to share the roots of this disregard with the class?
I was thinking the same thing. It seems out of character for Jeff. Maybe he just got a speeding ticket?
Jeff '79
09-23-2016, 7:52pm
Monkeys? I don't know you well but I never expected such invective from you about law enforcement officers. Care to share the roots of this disregard with the class?
I have good friends and cousins who are cops. I get what they do, and go through. There are good cops and bad cops.
I'm being summarily chastised here in this thread because of my views, which imo is bullshit.
If you want to put cops on a pedestal that's your business. My comment was to bring them down to the opposite end of the spectrum .
A cops function is to protect and serve the taxpayers who pay their salaries and uphold the LAW. Not to be judge jury and executioner or mete out their brand of punishment.
Cops have gotten away with a lot of bad things in the past, but with the advent of the video phone, it just ain't fun to be a cop anymore.
I say tough shit. Do your job, do it right or get off the force and find something that your better suited for.
Darwin works both ways.
Jeff '79
09-23-2016, 7:53pm
I was thinking the same thing. It seems out of character for Jeff. Maybe he just got a speeding ticket?
No...
EZ-Pass violation. :cuss:
JRD77VET
09-23-2016, 7:58pm
No...
EZ-Pass violation. :cuss:
Because you can't follow simple directions? :confused5:
Seems to be a theme in this thread. Maybe you just got lucky they didn't shoot you. :rooleyes:
Jeff '79
09-23-2016, 7:59pm
Because you can't follow simple directions? :confused5:
Seems to be a theme in this thread. Maybe you just got lucky they didn't shoot you. :rooleyes:
I totally screwed the pooch on that one. Oh well... It is what it is.
$50.75
Friggin' extortionists.
markids77
09-23-2016, 8:00pm
I have good friends and cousins who are cops. I get what they do, and go through. There are good cops and bad cops.
I'm being summarily chastised here in this thread because of my views, which imo is bullshit.
If you want to put cops on a pedestal that's your business. My comment was to bring them down to the opposite end of the spectrum .
A cops function is to protect and serve the taxpayers who pay their salaries and uphold the LAW. Not to be judge jury and executioner or mete out their brand of punishment.
Cops have gotten away with a lot of bad things in the past, but with the advent of the video phone, it just ain't fun to be a cop anymore.
I say tough shit. Do your job, do it right or get off the force and find something that your better suited for.
Darwin works both ways.
No chastisement from me; only curiosity about the negative waves. You have made your view clear... we will not see eye to eye here; but that is OK.
OddBall
09-23-2016, 8:02pm
No...
EZ-Pass violation. :cuss:
Degenerate scum. :Jeff '79:
....what's an EZ-Pass?
markids77
09-23-2016, 8:06pm
Degenerate scum. :Jeff '79:
....what's an EZ-Pass?
It's kind of like a prepaid cell phone for toll roads. You pay up front and get a transponder which allows you to drive slowly through the booth and pay electronically instead of sitting in line to pay cash.
Jeff '79
09-23-2016, 8:07pm
No chastisement from me; only curiosity about the negative waves. You have made your view clear... we will not see eye to eye here; but that is OK.
This comment
"Cops have gotten away with a lot of bad things in the past, but with the advent of the video phone, it just ain't fun to be a cop anymore."
comes right from the mouth of a good friend and well respected captain in a large metropolitan PD that I know.
That right there said volumes to me, but as his friend, I just shrugged it off, not believing that he just said that to me.
Cops are starting to be brought down to who they really should be due to the eye in the sky and they don't like it.
Jeff '79
09-23-2016, 8:11pm
Degenerate scum. :Jeff '79:
....what's an EZ-Pass?
:iagree:
I went through the EZ-Pass booth by mistake. Went back and paid, got a receipt and they still got me for $50 + $.75. I disputed it and explained what happened and sent the receipt and they still whacked me.
Degenerate, no.
Deplorable, maybe
OddBall
09-23-2016, 8:19pm
:iagree:
I went through the EZ-Pass booth by mistake. Went back and paid, got a receipt and they still got me for $50 + $.75. I disputed it and explained what happened and sent the receipt and they still whacked me.
Degenerate, no.
Deplorable, maybe
:Jeff '79:
You're allowed to be Degenerate and Deplorable at the same time. It may even be a requirement in some states.
Jeff '79
09-23-2016, 8:21pm
:Jeff '79:
You're allowed to be Degenerate and Deplorable at the same time. It may even be a requirement in some states.
I would think of Apex as being a degenerate.
I, on the other hand, can be downright deplorable
But not both :seasix:
This comment
"Cops have gotten away with a lot of bad things in the past, but with the advent of the video phone, it just ain't fun to be a cop anymore."
comes right from the mouth of a good friend and well respected captain in a large metropolitan PD that I know.
That right there said volumes to me, but as his friend, I just shrugged it off, not believing that he just said that to me.
Cops are starting to be brought down to who they really should be due to the eye in the sky and they don't like it.
back in early 90s chicago had a cerfew law and cops would take you in and a parent or who you were living with had to come pick you up. Word got around whwre cops would scoop you up and drop you off in different neighborhoods where your bound to get jumped.
Also a time me and a few friends were hanging in a parking lot of a closed dept store and a uc pulls up. We didnt know they were uc and plain clothes cop came out and puched my buddy got back in and they left. Another time behind a 711 I was with a buddy probably 12 or 13yrs old at the time and my buddy had a raiders hat on. Cop asked him if he was in a gang and why he had a raiders hat on. This is when nwa came out and raiders hat was what one of the rappers wore but rap was looked at as gang affiliated since it was somewhat new. Anyways he grabbed my buddys neck for a few seconds and took his hat and left.
Some of you see is officer friendly coming to your schools and smiling waving saying hi. But you better believe before cameras there were some shady ass cops out there. Some not all not most not half but some before any of you jump to conclusions.
markids77
09-23-2016, 8:35pm
back in early 90s chicago had a cerfew law and cops would take you in and a parent or who you were living with had to come pick you up. Word got around whwre cops would scoop you up and drop you off in different neighborhoods where your bound to get jumped.
Also a time me and a few friends were hanging in a parking lot of a closed dept store and a uc pulls up. We didnt know they were uc and plain clothes cop came out and puched my buddy got back in and they left. Another time behind a 711 I was with a buddy probably 12 or 13yrs old at the time and my buddy had a raiders hat on. Cop asked him if he was in a gang and why he had a raiders hat on. This is when nwa came out and raiders hat was what one of the rappers wore but rap was looked at as gang affiliated since it was somewhat new. Anyways he grabbed my buddys neck for a few seconds and took his hat and left.
Some of you see is officer friendly coming to your schools and smiling waving saying hi. But you better believe before cameras there were some shady ass cops out there. Some not all not most not half but some before any of you jump to conclusions.
PLEASE!!! do not feed the troll.
JRD77VET
09-23-2016, 8:39pm
PLEASE!!! do not feed the troll.
:iagree:
PLEASE!!! do not feed the troll.
did you live in the ghettos with a bunch of blacks on welfare go to a all black hs and have a black friend like some of the other members here to know that this kind of stuff didnt go on back then?
What would you have done?
"Tackled him, cuffed him, and arrested him.
There was plenty of hands up time for that". THAT was your reply Jeff 79.
Nope. Not my job.
My paid tax money pays the monkeys to do that shit.
The question asked iS WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE, its obvious you would have done nothing, in other words all mouth no action. I for one would not call cops monkeys like you did, that and you think its easy to control a drugged up person say all I need to consider your answer a lot of bullshit.
Jeff '79
09-24-2016, 8:16am
"Tackled him, cuffed him, and arrested him.
There was plenty of hands up time for that". THAT was your reply Jeff 79.
The question asked iS WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE, its obvious you would have done nothing, in other words all mouth no action. I for one would not call cops monkeys like you did, that and you think its easy to control a drugged up person say all I need to consider your answer a lot of bullshit.
Sorry, but those three stood there and watched like monkeys.
By doing this, the situation ended badly.
What would I do? I'm not a cop, therefore I don't have that sort of training or skill set, so I would have watched the cops handle it.
Like I said before. I don't get paid for that shit, they do.
The woman was clearly terrified in that video. She had no business being there. The other two guys just stood there when they should have been neutralizing the situation while hands were up. Someone on PCP wouldn't even have complied to that order. They had plenty of time to take that scumbag down before he got back to the car.
Lakota
09-24-2016, 11:43am
:iagree:
I went through the EZ-Pass booth by mistake. Went back and paid, got a receipt and they still got me for $50 + $.75. I disputed it and explained what happened and sent the receipt and they still whacked me.
Degenerate, no.
Deplorable, maybe
Around 2 years ago had the ticket for the $00.15 toll for the Lackawanna, NY toll barrier. I got boxed in by semi and went thru an EZ-Pass lane by mistake.
Called the Thruway immediately and was told to wait for the bad boy letter, give a written explanation and asked the fine be excused. They accepted my excuse and I gave them the toll ticket and a check for $00.15.
Jeff '79
09-24-2016, 11:51am
Around 2 years ago had the ticket for the $00.15 toll for the Lackawanna, NY toll barrier. I got boxed in by semi and went thru an EZ-Pass lane by mistake.
Called the Thruway immediately and was told to wait for the bad boy letter, give a written explanation and asked the fine be excused. They accepted my excuse and I gave them the toll ticket and a check for $00.15.
That's almost exactly my scenario on the AC Expressway, 4th of July weekend. No semi, but a bunch of crazy 4th of July drivers. I simply was all the way to the left and couldn't safely get over. I was told the same thing, did what you did, including attaching the $.75 paid receipt, and they denied my explanation.
That $50.75 will be the last tourist dollars that NJ ever sees from me.
I live probably 15 minutes from the toll plaza that you got nailed at.
Lakota
09-24-2016, 11:54am
The video shows the man "walking away" from the female cop with his hands up. He then puts his hands on the window.
He wouldn't "stop" and from the angle the female cop was at, she couldn't see that the window was "closed".
If I was on the jury, I would consider her innocent.
Jeff '79
09-24-2016, 12:48pm
The video shows the man "walking away" from the female cop with his hands up. He then puts his hands on the window.
He wouldn't "stop" and from the angle the female cop was at, she couldn't see that the window was "closed".
If I was on the jury, I would consider her innocent.
Cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't these days.
Like others have said in this thread, I wouldn't be a cop for all the money in the world right now.
Any cops here on this forum that can chime in, or are they all on CF ?:Jeff '79:
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