This kind of stupid shit needs to end.

[OddBall]

I'm stradlin' the fence here.

On the one hand.
I don't have a problem with the legalization and control of pot, just like alcohol.
In fact, I think on an individual level as well as social level, pot is not as bad as alcohol. I'm not saying that it's good, just not any worse.

On the other hand, ol' SpottedCow and her mom StarryEyedIdiot, were probably not the cream of society either. Selling any illegal substance out of the home (whatever the justification) does not involve a clientele that children need to be near, and the environment is certainly not one children need to be in. That obviously wasn't a concern to the mothers.

She got what she deserved.

[FasterTraffic]

Originally Posted by OddBall

I'm stradlin' the fence here.

On the one hand.
I don't have a problem with the legalization and control of pot, just like alcohol.
In fact, I think on an individual level as well as social level, pot is not as bad as alcohol. I'm not saying that it's good, just not any worse.

On the other hand, ol' SpottedCow and her mom StarryEyedIdiot, were probably not the cream of society either. Selling any illegal substance out of the home (whatever the justification) does not involve a clientele that children need to be near, and the environment is certainly not one children need to be in. That obviously wasn't a concern to the mothers.

That's about how I see the situation, as well. There have been several episodes of "The First 48" where someone is selling pot out of their home and the clientele kills (or attempts to kill) the parents in front of the children, or kills everyone including the children.

My post earlier questioned her comment that she doesn't sell drugs and doesn't do drugs in front of her children, but she sold drugs to an informant and apparently did so in her home.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by OddBall

I'm stradlin' the fence here.

On the one hand.
I don't have a problem with the legalization and control of pot, just like alcohol.
In fact, I think on an individual level as well as social level, pot is not as bad as alcohol. I'm not saying that it's good, just not any worse.

On the other hand, ol' SpottedCow and her mom StarryEyedIdiot, were probably not the cream of society either. Selling any illegal substance out of the home (whatever the justification) does not involve a clientele that children need to be near, and the environment is certainly not one children need to be in. That obviously wasn't a concern to the mothers.

She got what she deserved.

DOT mil, Police, fire/EMT.gov anywhere can screen their own and toss ass as necessary.....

I STILL say the enabling behavior comes from the welfare ticket, got 3 hots and a cot covered....what ELSE is there to do???

Look at ME, for instance, here I am bored outta my gourd, LOVE to find a job I could actually DO, and not suffer from walking 50 miles over some floorplan or other, HD/Lowes could name the department, I could cut their inventory in 1/2 and increase their turnover with less floor space....seriously...but it don't matter, the college types know better because they are computerized.....

the WELfare types, set around all day and do stupid shit.....but that's ok, don't believe me, I only observe my own two eyes visuals over 50 years dealing with the public.....in their homes.....



Tired of the bullshit from both sides on this one....

[Thomas]

Look at ME

I'd really rather not.

here I am bored outta my gourd

Get a hobby.

I could cut their inventory in 1/2

Stealing will get you put in jail also. Maybe only 11 years.

college types know better because they are computerized

I blame HAL.

the WELfare types, set around all day and do stupid shit

There're probably not bored though.

I only observe my own two eyes

So, you're looking in a mirror? How's your hair? Mines bitchin'

what ELSE is there to do???

Sex. Lots and lots of unprotected sex. All positions, all orifices.

[69camfrk]

Dude, I know you are a bleeding heart liberal, but lets just say I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. The whole war on drugs is the biggest bunch of horse shit that has ever been instituted on a population. We have more people in prison than any nation on the planet and most of is drug "crime". Hell, we've created the "crime". I want real criminals in jail ie:thieves, murderers, rapists, etc. I'm afraid a couple of joints worth of weed is not going to hurt the family, kids, or anyone else. I could go on, but the more I think about it, the more my blood boils.

[themonk]

Originally Posted by 69camfrk

Dude, I know you are a bleeding heart liberal, but lets just say I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. The whole war on drugs is the biggest bunch of horse shit that has ever been instituted on a population. We have more people in prison than any nation on the planet and most of is drug "crime". Hell, we've created the "crime". I want real criminals in jail ie:thieves, murderers, rapists, etc. I'm afraid a couple of joints worth of weed is not going to hurt the family, kids, or anyone else. I could go on, but the more I think about it, the more my blood boils.

Gateway drug.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by themonk

Gateway drug.

No doubt. Next thing you know you'll get a full blown reefer madness pandemic and white women will be deflowered left and right.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by themonk

Gateway drug.

Did you get that off an 8th grade textbook?

[OddBall]

Originally Posted by themonk

Gateway drug.

So's booze.
Even more so.

[BADRACR1]

Originally Posted by themonk

Gateway drug.

Sooo not true. Many, many studies have demonstrated that this is a common belief that simply does not hold to be true. Here's a few links, and there are hundreds more. Notice many of these are very credible, not some dopehead's webpage.

Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | Healthland | TIME.com

Marijuana Research: Marijuana as a Gateway Drug

Study says marijuana no gateway drug | ScienceBlog.com

Marijuana a "Gateway" Drug? Scientists Call Theory Half-Baked - HealthPop - CBS News

Marijuana - Marijuana Use and Effects of Marijuana

Marijuana Policy Facts | Effects of Marijuana | Drug Policy Alliance


These same studies and many more also show alcohol is far more deadly and dangerous to one's personal health and that of others, but you can still buy it at the grocery store. Ask every LEO you might know. Almost all will say they'd rather deal with a pothead than a drunk. A lot less vehicular accidents are caused by dopers than drunks also.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by BADRACR1

Sooo not true. Many, many studies have demonstrated that this is a common belief that simply does not hold to be true. Here's a few links, and there are hundreds more. Notice many of these are very credible, not some dopehead's webpage.

Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | Healthland | TIME.com

Marijuana Research: Marijuana as a Gateway Drug

Study says marijuana no gateway drug | ScienceBlog.com

Marijuana a "Gateway" Drug? Scientists Call Theory Half-Baked - HealthPop - CBS News

Marijuana - Marijuana Use and Effects of Marijuana

Marijuana Policy Facts | Effects of Marijuana | Drug Policy Alliance

Pffffttt.

That's commie talk. Everyone knows the white woman must be protected at all costs, so keeping reefer off the streets is the only way. Pro pot = Pro rape of white women.

[Blademaker]

Originally Posted by BADRACR1

Sooo not true. Many, many studies have demonstrated that this is a common belief that simply does not hold to be true. Here's a few links, and there are hundreds more. Notice many of these are very credible, not some dopehead's webpage.

Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | Healthland | TIME.com

Marijuana Research: Marijuana as a Gateway Drug

Study says marijuana no gateway drug | ScienceBlog.com

Marijuana a "Gateway" Drug? Scientists Call Theory Half-Baked - HealthPop - CBS News

Marijuana - Marijuana Use and Effects of Marijuana

Marijuana Policy Facts | Effects of Marijuana | Drug Policy Alliance


These same studies and many more also show alcohol is far more deadly and dangerous to one's personal health and that of others, but you can still buy it at the grocery store. Ask every LEO you might know. Almost all will say they'd rather deal with a pothead than a drunk. A lot less vehicular accidents are caused by dopers than drunks also.

[BADRACR1]

What about white wimmen what smokes pot?

[Blademaker]

Originally Posted by BADRACR1

What about white wimmen what smokes pot?

Puff, puff, pass.....

[BADRACR1]

Originally Posted by Blademaker

Puff, puff, pass.....

[BADRACR1]

[OddBall]

Originally Posted by BADRACR1

Sooo not true. Many, many studies have demonstrated that this is a common belief that simply does not hold to be true. Here's a few links, and there are hundreds more. Notice many of these are very credible, not some dopehead's webpage.

Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | Healthland | TIME.com

Marijuana Research: Marijuana as a Gateway Drug

Study says marijuana no gateway drug | ScienceBlog.com

Marijuana a "Gateway" Drug? Scientists Call Theory Half-Baked - HealthPop - CBS News

Marijuana - Marijuana Use and Effects of Marijuana

Marijuana Policy Facts | Effects of Marijuana | Drug Policy Alliance


These same studies and many more also show alcohol is far more deadly and dangerous to one's personal health and that of others, but you can still buy it at the grocery store. Ask every LEO you might know. Almost all will say they'd rather deal with a pothead than a drunk. A lot less vehicular accidents are caused by dopers than drunks also.

I'll agree with the first one. I've never had to fight a stoner.

Second one, I'd have to see some hard data. Intoxicated is intoxicated, everyone that wrecked a car under the influence of any intoxicant just knew they were in control.

[GEODON]

Originally Posted by mrvette

DOT mil, Police, fire/EMT.gov anywhere can screen their own and toss ass as necessary.....

I STILL say the enabling behavior comes from the welfare ticket, got 3 hots and a cot covered....what ELSE is there to do???

Look at ME, for instance, here I am bored outta my gourd, LOVE to find a job I could actually DO, and not suffer from walking 50 miles over some floorplan or other, HD/Lowes could name the department, I could cut their inventory in 1/2 and increase their turnover with less floor space....seriously...but it don't matter, the college types know better because they are computerized.....

the WELfare types, set around all day and do stupid shit.....but that's ok, don't believe me, I only observe my own two eyes visuals over 50 years dealing with the public.....in their homes.....




Tired of the bullshit from both sides on this one....

If liquor was illegal it'll be sold on the low. Legalize pot and you

wont have people selling it from homes. I've seen plain clothes cops, school bus drivers, school cafeteria workers, yuppies, parolees buying crap that mimics pot at my buddies store. All because they can't smoke pot. So instead they inhale chemicals to get a high like feeling. If people want to get high they will. If govt legalized heroin or coke I still wont touch it. Abusing anything can have consequences.

[lspencer534]

Since the pot of shit has already been stired, I don't mind adding to the odor. First of all, today her sentence was reduced to 8 years. Patricia Spottedcrow sentence barely reduced for first offense of selling $31 worth of marijuana (Video) | MadMikesAmerica She's already served a year (making this kinda old news), so likely she'll be released in another 6 months on parole.

Second, you're blaming the wrong people. It's not the Court that makes the law; it just enforces laws passed by the Legislature (the representatives of the people). If you believe MJ should be legalized, go to the Legislature, not the Courts. The Courts must enforce the laws passed by the Legislature. And, there are sentencing guidelines that require uniformity in sentences.

Third, someone mentioned that selling drugs in front of ones children is no different that buying beer and cigs in front of them. There is a big difference that cannot be disregarded: Beer and smokes are legal, MJ is not. Maybe the intent behind that law is to help prevent children from breaking the laws by witnessing the consequences? Like it or not, we are a Nation of laws, not men.

Fourth, simple possession of a small amout of MJ in almost every State is a misdemeanor, like a traffic ticket. There's a big step up when you become a dealer. You say Ms. Spottedcrow had no previous record: If she sold it this time, it is highly likely she had sold it before. That's just common sense, and a reliable presumption. Like I said, it is against the law, and everyone is charged with knowing what the law is...like the law or not.

[BADRACR1]

Originally Posted by OddBall

I'll agree with the first one. I've never had to fight a stoner.

Second one, I'd have to see some hard data. Intoxicated is intoxicated, everyone that wrecked a car under the influence of any intoxicant just knew they were in control.

Ask and ye shall receive. Dopers are usually paranoid and therefore more cautious. Alcohol, conversely, gives the user a sense of invincibility and less danger present.


Myth: Marijuana is a major road safety hazard
A growing body of research indicates that marijuana is on balance less of a road hazard than alcohol. Various surveys have found that half or more of fatal drivers have alcohol in their blood, as opposed to 7 - 20% with THC, the major psychoactive component of marijuana (a condition usually indicative of having smoked within the past 2-4 hours).(3) The same studies show that some 70 - 90% of those who are THC-positive also have alcohol in their blood. It therefore appears that marijuana by itself is a minor road safety hazard, though the combination of pot and alcohol is not. Some research has even suggested that low doses of marijuana may sometimes improve driving performance, though this is probably not true in most cases.(4) Two major new studies by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration have confirmed marijuana's relative safety compared to alcohol. The first, the most comprehensive drug accident study to date, surveyed blood samples from 1882 drivers killed in car, truck and motorchycle accidents in seven states during 1990-91.(5) Alcohol was found in 51.5% of specimens, as against 17.8% for all other drugs combined. Marijuana, the second most common drug, appeared in just 6.7%. Two-thirds of the marijuana-using drivers also had alcohol. The report concluded that alcohol was by far the dominant drug-related problem in accidents. It went on to analyze the responsibility of drivers for the accidents they were involved in. It found that drivers who used alcohol were especially culpable in fatal accidents, and even more so when they combined it with marijuana or other drugs. However, those who used marijuana alone appeared to be if anything less culpable than non-drug users (though the data were insufficient to be statistically conclusive). The report concluded, "There was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents." (It must be emphasized that this is not the case when marijuana is combined with alcohol or other drugs). The second NHTSA study, Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance, concluded that the adverse effects of cannabis on driving appear "relatively small" and are less than those of drunken driving. (6) The study, conducted in the Netherlands, examined the performance of drivers in actual freeway and urban driving situations at various doses of marijuana. It found that marijuana produces a moderate, dose-related decrement in road tracking ability, but is "not profoundly impairing" and "in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs." It found that marijuana's effects at the higher doses preferred by smokers never exceed those of alcohol at blood concentrations of .08%, the minimum level for legal intoxication in stricter states such as California. The study found that unlike alcohol, which encourages risky driving, marijuana appears to produce greater caution, apparently because users are more aware of their state and able to compensate for it (similar results have been reported by other researchers as well.(7)) It should be noted that these results may not apply to non-driving related situations, where forgetfulness or inattention can be more important than speed (this might explain the discrepancy in the Baltimore hospital study, which looked at accidents of all kinds). The NHTSA study also warned that marijuana could also be quite dangerous in emergency situations that put high demands on driving skills.
June 1994
by Dale Gieringer, Ph.D.
Sources
4) H. Klonoff, Marijuana and driving in real-life situations, Science 186: 317-24 (1974).
5) K.W. Terhune et al., The Incidence and Role of Drugs in Fatally Injured Drivers, NHTSA Report # DOT-HS-808-065 (1994).
6) Hendrik Robbe and James O'Hanlon, Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance, NHTSA Report #DOT-HS-808-078 (1994).
7)Klonoff, loc. cit.; A. Smiley, Marijuana: On-road and driving simulator studies, Alcohol, Drugs and Driving: Abstracts and Reviews 2#3-4: 15-30 (1986).


A few more:
Compare to Alcohol

THE EFFECT OF CANNABIS COMPARED WITH ALCOHOL ON DRIVING

SAFER - Alcohol vs. Marijuana

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence